that she had been waiting for this moment. it just so happens that photo i mean, it's a cool wink ed, but it just so happens. this photo comes out just four days ago while she had all this plan, i think megan is like i'm doing what i want to do. you will not tell me what to do. this is ridiculous. it doesn't make sense. i will not adhere to your rules. i don't feel as if she's trying to take anything from this moment. it just so happens that it fell out that way. i do believe though. i mean, you just said what i said. do we really honestly believe and you it sounds like you think kate is at home fixing zippers. i just don't feel like she's doing eight is entitled. she could do what she wants. >> she's probably entitled to privacy. meghan's entitled to be left out of it. >> to be. left out of it >> thank you very much. both of you. >> before we go tonight on this day in history, 20 years ago, a 51 year-old vladimir putin won his second term as president of russia the only real question

about these elections would russians go to the polls knowing there was almost no >> doubt president vladimir putin would be re-elected >> well, history is set to repeat itself as russians are voting right now. and putin is running against no real opposition. thank you so much for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now. >> hush. money, classified documents in a ruling that could change everything. and donald trump's criminal cases tonight, and laura coates live well i'll, if you add march 25th on your bingo card, looks like you are out of luck. my friends, because that's when donald trump's first criminal trial was supposed to start. now i say supposed to start because it's so often happens in the universe of trump legal cases, it's delay, delay, delay in this case, delayed all

over again. he should actually put on some t-shirts just a thought there, like he did when he was with his fulton county mug shot. see, you thought i was kidding for a second. that was a real thing. >> now, manhattan da >> alvin bragg says that he is willing to delay trump's criminal hush money a trial for up to 30 days after us attorney's office turned over a whole bunch of documents, 31,000 pages to be precise. and there are apparently more to come next week. now, i probably have to remind you this is the trial of former president on charges related to the hush money payment he meant to adult film star and actress stormy daniels in 2016. so what exactly is in those 31,000 documents and even more to come? and what does all of that say about the criminal case that was supposed to operative words supposed to be the first one right out of the gate. the first one, but not the only one >> there's also >> all those classified documents at mar-a-lago in

wondered ball rooms and bathrooms, and all of the president's for florida resort. well, today, judge, aileen cannon tossed out team trump's motion. that was attempting to have the case thrown out. they had argued that the espionage act itself, which is too vague let's not forget, the judgment fulton county. he says that he'll rule in a matter of at this point hours from now on, whether fani willis will be disqualified or not from that sweeping rico and election subversion trial against trump. but of course, over a dozen co-defendants in the state of georgia but that could be the most consequential case of all. many say now mcafee's says, and his decision will not be based on politics. well, time's a wasting because you got 235 days away from well, the political super bowl called election day join me now, jeremy saland, who was a former manhattan prosecutor who also knows da alvin bragg. jeremy. thank you so much for being

here this evening. look, it's giving me flashbacks of being a litigator and associate the law firm with someone to the document dump, someone's gotta go through all this stuff. but the question of course is why it took so long and i want to begin by making it very clear about who had these documents who was the one to be delayed in turning these over? >> well, it's not alvin bragg's fall if he didn't have that, he didn't have them. that being said, he did provide some back in june, donald trump didn't challenge that or say you weren't doing a diligent job to try to get it because anything remaining, he provided them back in june in june of 2023. and now, just in january, donald trump turns around having to subpoena this. so he's clearly waiting to the leg good opportunities to do so. and he didn't push the fed as i read and understand to get the documents to him, whatever they may be. so this is not something within the control of the district attorney's office. this is something that's in worth control of the us attorney's office i'm glad

you made that distinction. i think is lost. a lot of people i think da alvin bragg and tried to get them from the us attorney's office. they didn't give him over. they had the opportunity to do so over a year ago. but why is there daylight? explain to people about why there is this is not the same entity, obviously, everyone knows that alvin bragg was prosecuting and an eye towards it's very case choi, the us attorney's office knew that, but these are separate entities altogether >> i absolutely they're incredibly distinct in for example, if donald trump was convicted by a federal court, district court, theoretically he could turn around and get rid of the case himself and say, i'm all right. but he couldn't do that in this state. he couldn't be pardoned because the state case, there are two totally different systems of government, just like your congress person is not the same as your state senator. so it's vastly different. there's rules different and civil and criminal procedure. the statutes criminally are different. >> there may be >> some overlap and substance in crime, but they're very distinctive he believed to understand that alvin bragg

cannot tell the southern district, give me x you can subpoena them and try or they can cooperate, but he can't really force them i wonder how much of their decision not to hand them over initially was a little bit of arrogance about how they viewed the alvin >> bragg case as opposed to their own assessment of whether to bring charges. i have to wonder. i know it's called the sovereign district of new york at times especially as it relates to the da's office. but these documents, i mean, we're talking about 31,000 new documents and maybe even more are coming next week. what do you think might be in these documents? >> well, first of all, when you hear that number you know, someone who doesn't know any better in a roadway, but someone may not be practicing law. 31,000 could be a lot. 31,000 could not necessarily be a lot. it's the substance that matters what the context and content what matters. so very well that could be information about witnesses who testified in the grand jury, that could be cereals that were subpoenaed by the grand jury, that could be the grand jury minutes themselves that were provided very well, could be very

important information. there could be exculpatory or just shed light and relevant information on michael cohen. and was that case prosecuted? pardon me? why wasn't the president prosecuted on these charges in the federal government and that system so there's a lot of reasonable question donald trump should ask, but delaying and a bill, an ising is what his tactic is. it shouldn't have come to this point. again, to your point before it's not in the control donald grant ada bragg, and he's turning those materials over as quickly as you can. >> you know. and again, they could contain what's known as exculpatory material. what would you actually could help to prove that trump did not do anything wrong? it could include inculpatory which led tends to show his guilt and he's case as well. it's really what's in these documents is going to be the rubber meeting the road but the us attorney's office back this point, unlike da greg, the us attorney's office of federal office, they declined to bring charges against trump back in 2018. so

to what extent do you think that this these documents could include some of the reasoning behind that? >> that >> thought process often ends up in these memorandums of why you declined to prosecute >> i think there's a certain argument to be made that they could be there, but to think that there's going to be a proverbial smoking gun for donald trump that the feds have been sitting on all this time while giving da some of it is i think i think because it overplaying of the hand his attorneys have a responsibility to their client period and there should be no question that they have to advocate no matter the circumstance. >> but >> i do i expect it's going to be something that we call brady or exculpatory that will say, you know what, this didn't happen and now we go straight. >> i don't expect that. i don't expect that and i don't expect the judge is going to dismiss this case either. the run on some discovery, a technicality because the prosecution in the state of new york is required to turn over that discovery if it's not even in their physical control, but if it's in the control of someone that they have the control over and they don't

have a jaw over the fence >> so very important >> doing their job, a little watch and of course, the trial hasn't started, so it's not as if they're looking at this the rearview mirror and saying, my goodness, what would i could've been able to deal with those documents? it does delay potentially from 30 day is the question is, how much longer able be jeremy saland? thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> i want to bring in a cnn legal analyst, norm eisen, who is the white house ethics czar under president barack obama, also berenzweig, a trial and compliance attorney, as well. gentlemen, so glad to have both of you here before we get to what's happening in mar-a-lago the fact that you have the fed's not giving over information to alvin bragg's team. and now he has to be the one in court saying, actually, your honor, i might need a little bit of a delay. that's not where he wants to be >> it's not and it's unconscionable. alvin bragg asked for these materials it was over a year ago to hold them back and to wait for a subpoena from donald trump and

then dump so far we have an initial dump of 70,000. then in the past leak, another 30,000 plus with more coming i really fault the federal prosecutors here, the southern district of new york has some of the best federal prosecutors in the country, but they're known for you bris, for arrogance. and that's what we see here alvin bragg and the administration of justice and judge martian and all of us are the victims of that. >> well, we will see what this judge ultimately decides. of course, the fact that do parties are willing to have a delay and of course, trump's team wants the delay. now that alvin bragg's seem is saying, i guess up to three days, it's going to get pushed back. undoubtedly that let me turn to mar-a-lago, though, because trump taking of delays. how about the other diy word dismissal? he is trying to dismiss the case against him in mar-a-lago and he went to judge aileen cannon today. and the first argument he made is that the espionage act is

unconstitutionally vague, and therefore, he can't be prosecuted under it. all she was skeptical of that and instead said, this ought to be maybe a jury instruction or way to clarify it. what do you think she was so skeptical? >> well, i think she wanted to punt on the issue. there are a total of nine motions to dismiss and you have to credit team trump. they're quite good at filing motions and while they lose on the substance, they went on the process because they're running the clock and they've done it in a very effective way. what happened today was that the judge said that she was very skeptical and was likely going to dismiss the argument with regard to unconscious two tional vagueness on the statute, and also that somehow president trump then president trump and then former president trump had the right to be able to retain these records under the presidential records act. none of those arguments are strong. and what's frustrating about this case is that it's supposed to be one of the simplest cases this is not a complex case. this is not one of those cases that really is

going to take a long time to put on. but the fact that they and yet delay, delay, delay. so it's really kind of a micron for cosmetic. what's happening in the supreme court right down the street from us here, where the supreme court is holding back judge chutkan, and i know we're not getting into any depth on that tonight, but you have to hand it to team trump when it comes to filing and delays, he really has the all-star team. >> i mean, you're her defense attorney. so the idea of making a prosecution team prove their case. part of that is the motion practice prior that is making sure every i is dotted and t's crossed. and if there's even like a faint ink blot, that's it. but in this case, he's talking about on the espionage act what he's trying to draw comparisons to himself and biden and saying, wait, hold on a second. biden had notebooks. you talked about with her special counsel hearing this week? i had no books. same thing. >> she was not buying it though no. >> she even judge cannon who has been so partial to donald trump that she's been reversed

twice by the extremely conservative 11th circuit. even judge cannon gave trump's lawyers are hard time today. there's no comparison between what biden did with following along. it was wrong. what biden dead? he should not have kept those classified documents. but there's a long pattern of president's hanging onto documents. he cooperated with donald trump. you have a vast number of documents and a refusal to cooperate. alleged obstruction, then he has this insane presidential records act argument. it was one of my jobs when i was ethics czar to make sure we all complied with those rules, he's saying that official secrets about military preparedness and nuclear weapons, that those somehow can become personal. that's like saying, it's the opposite of personal. that's not what the law means at all and by the way, rest on that. and she

threw out his vagueness argument, by the way, there was that moment there was do we have the sound of him talking? about it from bedminster, i believe it was saying that in fact, he was aware that what let's just play it. >> there's play >> i was just saying because we're talking about any of that. he said he wanted to attack or ron and what this was done by the military, given to me i think we can probably no his president. i couldn't no, i can't get out, but this is is interesting >> as president, i could have declassified it now, i can't, and it's still a secret. sounds like notice in terms of your notion of this being pretty clear cut? >> yeah, exactly. and one of the elements that judge cannon said today is that with respect to the vagueness issue on some of that went to the word of intent. she said, well, we can raise this on jury instructions

during the trial, so she kinda punted, but the thing that's interesting is that when you go through jury instructions, those have to be based upon and foot to the evidence. so where's the defense going to be able to point to evidence with regard to intent that flux favorably on mr. trump. now, in fairness to him, we don't know exactly how the trials go into unfurl, so we'll see, but when you look at evidence like that, and the jury gets an instruction on intent, i think that's one of the reasons why i think this is one of the most compact cases, which is one of the reasons why it's so surprising that it's taking so long i think it will get tried before the election as well. the case in new york, but this is just dragging on. it's like watching paint dry. these things really ultimately have to get up on the docket, as you might have a watch pot never boils well water and timing. but tom, do you think that's true? it's gonna go before the election? >> i do think that there is room for two cases to take place before the election, and you have the bragg case. it may be slowed down by this document dump, but probably not for very

long and then that case we'll finish that. it will take let's say two months that case we'll finish and then you have the summer and the fall with three contenders three race horses will it be the mar-a-lago documents case? will it be the jack smith's federal election interference case? or will it be fani willis's georgia case? of course, tomorrow will decide if she's disqualified. that case comes off the board and it's either mar-a-lago. so do jack smith case. >> my money is on judge chutkan. i think that even though the supreme court's hearing, this presidential immunity case last possible moment in the last week of hearings she's going to be ready to go and i believe that this is going to be a trial that will happen after new york. and she's she's definitely focusing. her approach is fundamentally different than that of judge cannon. >> all right. >> well, we've got three race horses. get you. mint julep,

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definitely feeling a sigh of relief waiting up to it with so nerve-wracking and the >> longer that it went, the more nervous we were all getting. but when they read those guilty verdicts, it was definitely all of our emotions just kind of came forward and gave us the sigh of relief. i'm feeling much better tonight than i was this morning. that's for sure. >> was there a moment that you thought that this could go differently? >> there was for me, i am more of a person that likes to read people's faces and i remember with jennifer crumbley, when they walked in, i'm looking and i thought oh, we've got this one but today their faces were all much more poker faces that i had no idea. what was about to happen. and my heart was racing while we were sitting there waiting. >> i can only imagine we were watching his face. we're trying

to get a shot of what he looked like in those moments when james crumbley had that verdict it's red and there were moments at the time when it was read, he began to shake his head when you looking at noticing what he was doing during the time >> i did not i was not looking at him at all to be honest, i was looking over at the man reading it from the juror hello. >> but for personal yeah >> yeah. well, when you think of all the loss, the heart ache, what has happened as a result of this, including with your own son who did survive the shooting, but certainly has been impacted so severely how does it make you came home? >> home today? >> now, tell me about that. he came home today. this has been something that your family has been grappling with. tell me about that? >> yeah he after sentencing for the shooter, he started to struggle with all of the emotions coming forward at one

time and he had pushed them down for so long. i think it just flooded him and so we found a treatment center that would take him to work with ptsd and trauma and he's so he's been there since december working to try and heal and he's worked hard, but he definitely feels ready. he's excited to be home we're excited to get home and see him >> so happy to know that he is home with your family. i know that it's been very difficult for you as an entire family and community and then in this case, in particular prosecutors, they leaned into the security of that firearm or really the lack thereof. >> they >> leaned into james's awareness of ethan's mental state and the defense they tried to say, look, he did everything he could. he had no way of knowing why do you think that did not? sound convincing to this jury

>> he bought him a gun he did not secure the gun he called 911 and said the guns missing. and i think my son may be the shooter. >> he >> was in the offices of this i can see your face. sorry. i he was in the offices of the school with two school employees and never said anything about that. they just bought him a gun. >> no one in there two school employees. and the shooter's parents never even talked about access to firearms and weapons and things that could hurt the shooter, and others. >> so >> there was so much evidence. i think overwhelmingly that he was guilty and the jury did an amazing job >> the jury clearly agreed with the sentiment and although we don't know all the reasons and

the moment that may have convinced them, they returned for guilty verdicts in this against him. and you are presenting the families who are suing my way, not only the crumbleys, but the oxford community schools. so now that these two criminal trials will be three, now convictions have happened with the sun, and now the parents what's the next move in >> well, thanks, laura its to do what megan and the mere family and the shilling family and others are other clients have asked me to do from day one, hold every person, every entity everyone that had anything to do with this that blew the signs and it could have been prevented the oxford community schools paid for a report way too late that came back guidepost law you to whole story. and it buries them and says that they including the two people who testified in this both criminal cases, buried them and said by name,

called them out by name, that they should have prevented this from happening. and instead they gave them the backpack with a gun in it with ammunition at it, and never even searched for it. and i can see by your face, that's the overwhelming evidence here that this is my point don't i don't want to hear about that. we have to worry about parents being charged for something that they didn't do anything. that's not what happened here at all. we are holding each of these folks accountable criminally prosecutor didn't charge the school district. that's fine. are >> the people that work there now we hold them liable civilly, but we need our day in court, laura, we need are right to a jury trial. and so far under michigan governmental immunity law, we haven't had that yet, but we need to go get that on a people my facial expressions really internally, they're conveying that as a parent and just thinking about how we send our children to school,

>> megan, and what that is like, and the trust that we place an officials and the hope that our children are learning are safe. people are treating them well they are going to really be the replacement for parents and i know it's a lot to ask of schools, but listen, it's the way that it is and it's heartbreaking to think of what you and so many other families are enduring. and megan, both both jennifer and james crumbley will be sentenced on april 9, the maximum that they're facing is 15 years >> what do you >> think the sentence ought to be >> i believe that they should get the full sentencing that they deserve. i mean, if they can get 15 years obviously, they've served two years already, so they'll probably get those two years served. but i would love to see them get the full sentencing that they deserve. >> i'm so glad that both of you have calm and meeting yet again, and megan, your sons

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have never anticipated all this happening right now, let me begin with you, michelson's, you're here with me in studio, judge mcafee, he told local affiliate wsb that his decision will come down tomorrow. now, we knew there was already a soft imposed deadline of two weeks and i'm coming tomorrow where do you see this going? do you think she'll remain on this case? >> it's all about whether judge mcafee adopts the standard of whether it was an actual conflict of interest. and if he adopts that standard he almost has to not disqualify fani willis because the trump defense lawyer is clearly did not present evidence that goes that far or an appearance of a conflict of interests, which is a loosey-goosey standard that can be interpreted in the eye of the beholder. and you can just say, i don't know whether who's telling the truth here. i don't know what the facts

are, but it looks bad and so therefore, there's an appearance and if it's an appearance, he could disqualify or if he does that, this case is done. >> there is no >> prospect in anytime in the foreseeable future that a another district attorney's office in georgia can take up this case because it'd be disqualifies already, disqualifies the whole county. d office. so this whole case, which i think and we argue in this book is perhaps the most significant of all against donald trump and his confederates. it's the only one that goes after his confederates on the election interference aspect of this goes out the window. so it's a very big deal tomorrow, daniel, i want to talk bring you in here because the gravity of this case is not lost when you read this book and thinking about this sweeping investigation that led to this moment use to a lot of people who know fani willis personally. did anyone see this

coming, this being the way this case could ultimately be decided based on prosecution look we, we spent two two-and-a-half years reporting this book. there was no hint at all that the case would come to this kind of a climax or anti-climax if if that's what's going to happen you know, look, fani willis is a force of nature she is combative. she is a deeply original american character and very human and sometimes people who are very human also have human flaws so is it shocking that there were allegations of improprieties? know, but no one expected it to end like this. of course, if that's what happens, i will say that fani willis is enormously resilient. she's been through a lot a lot >> in some ways more than this.

in the case so far, because let's remember the horrific threats that have been rained down upon her over the course of this investigation and around the time of the indictments, including threats to her own daughters, which were really by killing and she fought through all of that. and she may live to fight another day. we'll we'll see you tomorrow >> you make a profound point in terms of what this has cost someone in this level of several of scrutiny. i mean, the idea of pursuing any case as a process keiter is daunting let alone one that involves a former president and then over a dozen co-defendants with the entire nation watching. and during an election year, by the way when you look at this case going forward though, and the candor issue and who to credit. and that's part of the judge's decision going down. what will he look at this case as you and i have discussed through the lens of who he thinks is credible or not. if

you make statements about how he views the lawyers in this case is credible or not? that's going to have a profound effect even if they're not disqualified on their ability to bring this case, right. look, >> if he he could not disqualify her, but then say, but there are serious questions of about her testimony. and it should be investigated by others like the state bar or the state legislature are some state ethics commission fee. so that would be >> quite damaged tampering, and damaging to fani willis it's hard to imagine him doing that though, because look, he's the judge in this case. if he has serious questions about the credibility and the candor and the truthfulness of the chief prosecutor i think it's going to be pretty hard for him to continue with her on the case. >> on the other hand

>> what was the testimony? and when you look at the testimony of the witnesses against her were not terribly credible and did not present really strong evidence that undercut her story. and wade story. >> and by the way, daniel, i'll leave review by the way, when you looked at those none of that trial i want you to talk, but none of that trial actually went to the heart of the actual allegations against any of these people. it was all about the idea of a perceived conflict of interests and we talk about the politics of this. i mean, that 11,780 votes that infamous line now i went back to look and see how fulton county performed on tuesday and what it did in terms the election. and surprisingly for some, haley, who's longer in the race, outperformed the republican, the public and private with over 19,000 votes in fulton county, cobb county as well, even when she has already dropped out, which could spell some trouble. for one donald trump. but you want to respond about how the

politics of this could be, could be touched and beyond >> yeah, look, look at the end of the day. i do think georgia is going to be close the way it was in 2020. georgia is a purple state. georgia is pretty evenly divided despite what the pulse say right now. but i wanted to make one other. you said something important, >> which is that none of the allegations against fani willis or nathan wade go to the constitutional rights or the due process rights of the defendants at the end of the day. that's something that may weigh heavily on this, judge, are you going to make this decision which could, as mike said, mean that this case never comes to trial on the basis of something that had no real impact on the case itself or on the defendant's. i don't know. i think there is one potential off-ramp for judge mcafee, a kind of a split the baby solution here and that is if he finds an artful way to suggest that perhaps nathan wade step

aside he can't he wouldn't be able to order it. >> but he could suggest that perhaps >> fani willis ought to think about a change in her leadership team i think that's something to look for, particularly if he does not disqualify her. >> that is a possibility. we will see what happens again. >> we don't >> even know who was intending to be the actual face of the trial attorney in these matters michael isacoff, daniel climate, what a phenomenal book and so pressure and indeed, thank you both thanks for having us. >> well, it was the >> defining tv era for really millions of kids. i'm talking about nickelodeon in the early 2000s, but there's a new doc that alleges all he was not well at the channel during that time. the darkness behind the scenes at collodion. >> next did you know there's no t in skechers? >> what you told me that he has always been scheduled t and

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nickelodeon ruled cable television shows like the amanda show, all that. i carly, zoe one-on-one, and others had kids glued to their televisions. >> but a >> new documentary series is shedding light on a different view of that time. and the alleged toxic work environment behind this golden era is called quiet onset. the dark side of kids tv it features child actress from that time now, ready to share their stories. one is drake bell of drake and josh fame. he says he was abused by brian peck, his dialogue coach at the time. here's a clip from the docuseries rebel describes how peck tried to divide him and his family play. >> i think brian got a sense that my dad was on the watch, and so he started to really drive a wedge between my dad and me he started talking about how my dad's stealing my money. nobody likes that. my

dad's on set. he's a real problem problem so he just started making me believe that he was horrible for my career. i wasn't gonna be able to move forward with him in it it and coming from someone like brian, i was bleeding it because he's been in this business for so long and he must know more than us also because i was spending so much time more so around him that i was really my dad it's important to note in 2003, brian peck was arrested and later convicted, charge of lewd acts with a child >> as well as oral copulation according to court records, he was sentenced to 16 months in prison and see that has reached out to pack for comment, but received no response. nicholas loading has commented on the docuseries saying this in a statement though, we cannot corroborate or negate allegations of behaviors from productions decades ago nickelodeon, as a matter of

policy, investigates all formal complaints as part of our commitment to fostering a safe and professional workplace environment. free of harassment or other kinds of inappropriate conduct are highest priorities are the well-being and best interests, not just of our employees, cast, and crew, but if all children and we have adopted numerous safeguards over the years to help ensure we are living up to our own high standard herds and the expectations of our audience nickelodeon also, it's really commented on bell's allegations against pack, saying, now that drake bell has his clothes, his identity as the plaintiff in the 2004 case. we are dismayed and saddened to learn of the trauma he has endured and we commend and support this strength required to come forward quiet on, set the dark side of kids tv will air march 17 on investigation discovery, which shares the same parent company as cnn. here with me

now, are the directors of the documentary series mary robertson and emma swartz ladies, thank you so much for being here with us this evening. there are so many people watching who remember these shows. remember this golden certainly are looking at these different people and saying, my god, i can't believe this was happening at that time as alleged. i mean, this is the first time that drake bell is actually speaking out. what, did he tell you about his experience >> yeah. i mean, i first reached out to drink about a year ago. we had begun looking into the experiences of many child actors came to understand that he was the victim and the brian peck case. and one never knows when someone is a survivor of caltex abusive, they are open and ready to share their story. but over the course of many months, we began a conversation and he was at a place in his own life where he was really trying to grapple with and deal with the trauma that he had endorsed and not

fully processed from 20 years before. and i think part of sharing that story is part of that healing process. that he is trying to go through >> after all of these years >> thinking about this, drake bell is giving just one example of what was going on at the time. and certainly one of the most extreme examples, but independent, i've even that incident. >> you >> guys also learned about the work environment and nickelodeon more broadly, i'm and what did you find? or mary >> thanks, laura >> we were inspired to undertake this project when we noticed videos that have gone viral, there were compilations of clips that were recorded on sets that dan schneider presided over. and in these clips, you saw child actors engaging in scenes that were arguably sexual are arguably evocative of pornography in one viral moment, you see eriona grande de as child actor leaning over the side of a bed, pouring water on her face and her chest and a manner that is evocative of pornography. and

another, you see ariane a grande's squeezing a potato in a manner that is arguably evocative of now guffey. and yet another, you see jamie lins spheres receive a squirt of a viscous liquid on her face in a manner that is again, arguably evocative of pornography. and there were many online at the time who said they were gas these i grew up with these shows. how is it that i didn't see this at the time? how is it that that. these clips were, these scenes were made, how, how, and why did the adults that were surrounding the recording of these scenes? not taste something. did they try to say something? what was the power structure that may be prevented them from being heard? so there were so many questions and mni really feel as though those questions are deeply meaningful, not frivolous or trivial, because they concern the making of culture itself so it's important to look at the conditions on these sets because we are deeply invested in supporting those who are

working on these sets and it's important to understand what's transpiring on these sets because what is made on these sets is then transmitted to the world and received by an audience. >> children and it shapes their sense of normal and maybe even shapes their own behavior and conduct, or what they think is appropriate or not. and am i want to play another clip from your docuseries that speaks to what the environment was allegedly like under dan schneider, who created many hit shows, a nickelodeon during this period. listen he liked to play pranks and jokes, which at first seem fun >> in the beginning, i would see, you know, instant message pop up dan would send a message for you to say at my own scream, hammers and screaming. and then it would be more degrading like scream. i'm an idiot. >> or >> and if you didn't, he was send you the message again,

caps, exclamation points, he would scream out, say it until you did it's uncomfortable to hear it say the leaves me. did those former employee is tell you how long they say this all went on, emma >> well, the story that we have of these two female writers that worked on the first season of the amanda show. the first show that dan schneider created on his own, is it really disturbing story. where they talk about the way that they were sexually harassed, the way that they were they were sexualized inside of the writers room. and i think one of the most telling moments about how culture is created and what is really happening behind the scenes is the story of the creation of a character penelope tank, who is this young girl on the amanda hsiao. and in the right there's room. dan schneider told them that he was choosing a last name. that was a vulgar word. and when asked by standards whether that was the case, he said it was not that christie had said in the documentary that was power.

power where you are making a. dirty joke about children on a children's show >> cnn has reached out to dan snyder, but we have not heard back a spokesperson for snyder did tell nbc in a statement and i'll reverberant dan. dan has said himself that he was a tough boss to work for. and if he could do things over again, he would act differently. but let's be clear, when dan departed nickelodeon, a full investigation was done. and again, all that was found is that he was a challenging time off and demanding person to work for and with nothing else >> was there >> any effort then married to address these allegations? schneider's tenure >> guess it depends on the nature of the allegations. certainly, we reached out to dan on multiple occasions and extended him an opportunity to participate in the film. and we've included some of his

responses in the film we've tried to engage and really careful reporting that gets close to the truth sort of how power was functioning on these sets, right? it's often hard to understand those dynamics. but we tried to get as close as we possibly could to understanding the ways in which dan influenced others, implodes the children, and ultimately created this culture that was consumed by so many >> may robertson, emma swartz, it's so important that this is out there and it's it strikes me that for so many people who grew up watching these shows as children are now parents themselves and are now trying to shape their own children's lives and coming to terms with what they were seeing, perhaps even unbeknownst to them. thank you so much. >> thank you, laura. thank you >> thanks for watching our

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