quarterback whose yes, he's well-known, no political experience whatsoever. and he's running he's gotten a lot of support by being unconventional, by being someone who is leveraging celebrity culture. and i think that this is something that donald trump is gonna have to think very hard about. because if you've got kennedy and rodgers as the ticket, there wouldn't be so much media attention on this, so much just quickly because they were running out of time. are you serious about this? because i find this for posture. i think it's going to happen and i think kennedy thrives on people like us finding him preposterous still alive. still not going to win the super bowl. >> thanks. thank you. well, thank you for spending part of your day with us and we'll see you right back here next week >> hello everyone, and welcome to the dahman four hour. here's where we're headed this week. nucleus saber-rattling an

election, engineering. putin tightens his grip as russia's longest-serving being leaders since stalin. >> then >> airdrops aid and the humanitarian disaster in gaza, my exclusive interview with queen rania of jordan, israel experience. >> one october 7 >> since then, the finneas have >> experienced 156 october 7, then us marines and hundreds of millions of dollars to bring haiti back from the brink of civil war flashback to the '90s in this unending cycle of poverty and violence. also, this our martians wanted nasa administrator bill nelson are new red planet recruits and elon musk, exploding rockets and finally, the smash hit west end play that meditates on being young and black in britain. >> there are still resided at me, to be told for people it looked like me welcome to the

program, everyone i'm christiana, 1 pool in london, in >> russia this weekend and election. that's more of a rubber stamp on putins eternal presidency. he'll get another six years after being in power since 2000. he's already second only to stalin's 30 year dictatorship. but listen to the pigeon, the world first met. >> freedom of speech freedom of conscience, freedom of the mass media, rights of the owners will again, these fundamental components of any civilized society will be reliably protected by the state >> none of those freedoms exist in putin's russia today. and any real opposition to him or his war in ukraine have been brutally crushed, both inside and outside the country. just this week, the late russian opposition leader, alexei navalny's chief of staff was attacked in exile in lithuania. and this is a putin who may very well when his struggle with the west on the ukrainian battlefield, thanks to trump's

maga force in congress denying ukraine the ammunition and weapons, it desperately needs. i spoke with john sullivan america's ambassador to moscow, and the president's trump and biden when the country invaded ukraine just over two years ago, he's currently a partner at mayer brown and he's the author of the forthcoming book, midnight in moscow. ambassador jon sarlin, welcome back to our program. >> thank you. christiane, good to be with you today. so it's great to talk to you as we have this shifting dynamic on the ukrainian battlefield. and as putin has his elections this weekend, i want to start by asking you about something he told russian television this week the technical point view of course, we already ready but yeah, they're constantly comment ready. >> i'm not sure three other >> are triad, the nuclear triad is more modern than any other triad, and it's only us to the americans who have such triads. in general. if we talk about

the carriers, a number of warheads we are more or less equal. but hours or more modern. everyone knows that all specialists, no >> so i'm basil to how concerned are you that putin keeps talking about having the upper hand in the nuclear domain. and even though he's not threatening to use them, he still dangles that threat. >> yeah. christiane, he has been doing in this for years. if if you'll recall, back when he was running for reelection the last time in 2018, he spoke in front of a video, a cartoon that showed a russian missiles striking south florida, where then president trump, of course he his mar-a-lago club he has been rattling the nuclear sabre for years. it's been part of his his way of dealing with the united states. he's invested a lot of money and his nuclear weapons and particularly in new delivery systems he has been

basically using nuclear blackmail over ukraine's since the start of the so-called military as special military operation. so this is just of a piece with what he's been doing for years. it's how we operates in my opinion. it's crazy. >> so >> then because we're talking as this election is underway in russia is this an election that anybody should be concerned about? i mean, we know he's running putin unopposed. i mean, the the nominal a position are just nominal, just to be playing in that game. but what do you think a convincing claim of a win? we'll mean for him in the situation he finds itself in right now, there's no doubt that he's going to win as you say, he's running effectively unopposed. but this election is extremely important. for him, for putin, for russia. and i would say for the world, for the following reason, he's been working on this, this project, getting himself re-elected despite the russian constitution, term

limits, which were in effect until he had the constitution revised in 2020. he's been working on this for you years, winning reelection. but here's the key factor from his perspective. it's turnout. he wants to be able to tell the world, show the world that the russian people support him. they turned out in large numbers, 75, 80% and voted for him. >> what >> the opposition is trying to do is to use that turnout issue against him and there has been you may have seen an organized effort to try to convince those who are opposed to bouton to vote at a particular time. on sunday noon on sunday going to the polls showing long lines of people at that precise time, as opposed to putin the election comes down to turnout. putin wants a large turnout to validate, to claim legitimacy for his, his rule, because otherwise he doesn't have legit

let's see. he doesn't have, for example, the communist ideology that the soviet leaders have had. he doesn't have the divine right of rule, the way the czars have he seeks legitimacy from the russian people. that's what he really craves otherwise, he would just declare himself president. you're a republican and you see what donald trump republicans are doing in congress about aid to ukraine and appearing to actually be throwing their loss in with putin rather than the democratic sovereign independent ukraine that the rest of the world is the western world supporting. this is what republican senator ron johnson of wisconsin said recently we are now two years into this bloodbath >> an >> hour in a bloody stalemate and the reality i think a lot of my colleagues for supporting this aid package are ignoring that vladimir putin will not

lose this war does that worry you? and what will happen if america doesn't step up and if putin doesn't lose this war, well, christiane, this, in my opinion, is not should not be a partisan issue. the national security, the united states are foreign policy interests are at stake in ukraine, and we can't talk away the risk. we can't wish away the risk. we can stick our heads in the sand. we tried that twice in the 20th century when there was a war in europe before the great war and before the second world war. and we failed this type of conflict in the european continent affects the united states directly, particularly when that war has been launched. bye, >> by, by an autocrat who is launched an aggressive war virtually identical to the war that hitler started, a september 1, 1939 against poland. the same rationales were used. hitler used the same

language that putin justi, he started a war hitler on september 1, 1939 because he claimed that polls we're abusing were barbaric towards germans in poland. that was his rationale and he claimed that poland was going to attack germany were first boot and say this hitler stood the truth on its head, who has done the same thing? he launched a war because he said that the ukrainians were a bunch of crazy nazis who were engaged in a genocide against russians in ukraine and that's fantasy. the un general assembly, the international court of justice. countries that have no association with naibe the eu voted overwhelmingly against putin's rationales for this war. so he's launched an aggressive war on the continent of europe that affects us allies and the united states directly. this, it seems to me, should not be a difficult foreign policy and national

security issue. and it's not an issue that we should be. it makes no sense to me to say, well, we can't help ukraine because we need to be spending money to secure our southern border or do something else. of course, we can do both. this is the united states we've been able to contain the soviet union prevail in the cold war i mean, what type of backbone to our leaders have now, we're going to allow putin, the president of russia, to start a massive war on the continent of europe. and we don't have the where with all of the courage to stand up to him. i think for republicans and democrats, they need to think about this. what would harry truman or dwight eisenhower say? what would jack kennedy or ronald reagan say? what would they be saying to those senators and members you today are saying we shouldn't support ukraine, what they'd be saying is we should support ukraine along with our allies and contain and defeat this russian aggression period.

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>> celebrity chef leichhardt many lives of martha stewart now streaming on max there are starving. they're malnourished as a result to the fact that humanitarian assistance can get to them. it's very difficult to distribute humanitarian assistance effectively unless you have a ceasefire. >> welcome back. that was biden's point, man in negotiations between israel and hamas, cia director bill burns on capitol hill this week, with northern gaza on the brink of famine, the first aid ship is arriving from cyprus and for the first time in weeks, a un food convoy did manage to reach gaza city using a new military road. but experts say it is not nearly enough to stem the suffering in our exclusive interview, queen rania of jordan tells me how her country is joining us, airdrops to a starving population. >> queen

>> rania, welcome back to our program. >> thank you for sound. >> can i first asked you it is ramadan is just started and i wonder what your reflections are for yourself, for your family, for muslims around the world celebrating, or maybe that's not the right word marking ramadan this year in the middle of this war well, you know, christian ramadan for us is a month of worship, charity, and compassion for our >> fellow human being. and i think this year we're welcoming these holidays with very heavy hearts. ramadan is typically defined with family gatherings, people coming together, sharing a meal and breaking their family let's together. but what does it like for the people of gaza today who are now hungry and thirsty, intense or makeshift shelters who are more morning, they're dead and morning the life that they had just a few months ago, you know, christian since the beginning of this israel has, has cut off everything that is required to sustain a human life food, fuel, shelter,

medicine, water, and this has been going on now for five months and sloughed the people of gaza completely rely on an outside assistant assistance and actually it has systematically denied and delayed a lot of that assistance occasionally, bombings some of the convoys that bring this assistance and bombings on the people shooting at some of the people who are trying to get whatever scarce resources that they can get according to the un, every single person in gaza today is hungry over quarter of the population that's more than 550,000 people, or once step away from famine. experts say that they have never seen a population descend into such mass hunger so rapidly i mean, i'm hearing of people just eating whatever they can get their hands-on, including grass or they're having to grind a bird or animal further just to just to make bread and in the north of gaza, people are not

on the verge of starvation. there actually dying of starvation. it starts with the most vulnerable and the elderly, the wounded babies were hearing increasing number of babies were dying from severe malnutrition. and thirst and if, if things don't change, i think these cases are going to be firefighters aspiring throughout the strip know this has been a slow motion mass murder of children five months in the making, children who were thriving and healthy just months ago are wasting way in front of their parents not starvation is a very slow, cool, and painful death your muscles shrink, your new system, shuts down your organs, give out. imagine being a parent having to go through that witness, your child going through that, not being able to do anything to help it is absolutely shameful, outrageous and entirely predictable. what's happening in gaza today because it was deliberate. >> a queen rania, we have been

reporting systematically what you're destroying, describing in fact, a lot of the world is now and has been reporting this severe hunger. the statistics, the pictures that you're talking about, i wonder whether you think that that is the reason why, for instance, united states, the uk, other nations which are allies of israel, have started to really ramp up their need to deliver aid like the airdrops that jordan has been involved in. you see, us doing it. you see the idea of a floating pier in order to bring much more aid via the sea. >> do you >> think the message that you've just described has actually now gotten through? >> when look, let me just be very clear about what these airdrops are they are us resorting to desperate measures in order to address a desperate situation these airdrops are literally it just drops in an ocean of unmet needs and can abdullah has said, from the very beginning, they are neither sufficient nor there are substitute for humanitarian

access at scale so countries should not use them as a way out, nor should they be viewed as an excuse for not doing what needs to be done? >> and >> that is implemented i think an immediate and sustained ceasefire, opening all access points into gaza, particularly land routes, streamlining the inspection process, and making sure that there is safe access within gaza so that the eighth and be distributed every moment counts. children are starving as we speak. so every moment and every meal counts. and so i think now we're past the stage of trying to talk israel into doing these things. we need to actually start using measures and political leverage to get them to do those things you received at the white house along with the king. you also went to capitol hill where some of the stronger to support does reside. what message did you deliver on capitol hill and what did you hear from them? >> what i think a lot of people need to know more about this conflict, really understand the

intricacies of it, to understand that this is one of the greatest historical injustices and to understand what the root cause of this issue is, to understand that this conflict did not begin on october 7, that that it was a result of years of occupation of settlement, expansion of human rights, abuses, of disregard for international law and this is what led us to this point. if we look at israel today, sometimes i you hear the prime minister justifying the war by saying that he is doing what the public wants and that the overwhelming majority of israelis support this war. well, you know, i refuse to believe that an entire population can look at what's going on in gaza and be okay with it. dehumanization of palestinians is systematic. it's ingrained, it is ubiquitous. you look with us, but they believe, they believe that if we don't kill them,

they're going to kill us and you can watch our entire conversation online at amanpour.com and a node netanyahu's latest scheme is to move 1.5 million >> gazans from rafah to so-called new build humanitarian islands in central gaza that would be ahead of any offensive into rafah coming up next on the program, mars missions and solar eclipses with nasa chief bill nelson. i'll also ask him if russia is serious about building a nuclear power station. it's not the moon. >> and later, the return >> of a smash hit play that explores being black in britain. play, right? brian kelly cameron joins the show. >> this is for black boys, not consider suicides what he told choi arises chaos now grips much of haiti. rival gangs are now working together, launching a wide series of attacks

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footprints on the red sandi of mars. a moon shot like that requires all people all the time >> and >> through artemis, nasa is creating thousands of good paying jobs in all 50 states exciting ambitions indeed, and a critical time for nasa. it's just had its budget cut, its artemis manned moon mission is behind schedule and now china and russia are talking about a nuclear power plant on the lunar surface. i spoke to nasa administrator bill nelson just after the latest spacex rocket took golf successfully, but later failed on re-entry. okay. so that's it's just a test right now. but what i want to know then is the star shape. do you think going to be ready for the mission which has been now slated for 2026. >> to be determined there are many, many more tests. there are many, many more new things

that they have to do not the least of which is they've got to transfer are about five tankers full of fuel into the starship in low earth orbit. this has never been done before and then that starship would be the one that would go on to the moon and perform the landing. >> so let me ask you because obviously we live in an era now where there's increased competition. should we just put it that way between the united states, russia, and china? and as i said, they're talking about a nuclear power plant. they're talking about getting to the lunar south pole. >> who >> will be the first do you think at this time isn't russia and china? or is it the united states? >> well, it'll be the united states to land with humans first on the moon. now of course we did that i half a century ago. we go back this

time a different way. we go with our commercial partners, thus hey, sex as we're talking about, eventually, blue origin, we go back with international partners on the first mission next year that will circle the moon. we have three americans and a canadian so it's a totally different way we go to a different part of the moon. we go to very hazardous south pole of the moon that is pockmarked with huge craters. >> and >> where the light comes in, it's such a severe angle that so much of the south pole is in permanent deep shadows. so you have to be very precise in your landing so all of this is a new venture. but for a reason, we're going back to the moon to learn to live, to learn to

create, to invent. in order to be able for us to take humans all the way to mars >> why is the south pole? and what's been discovered? but the ice is so critical for these future missions to settle >> because if there is ice and we know there's ice in the crevices if there is water in abundance and by the way, we have a spacecraft that a commercial spacecraft at the end of this year that's going to dig for water if there is water in quantities then we have hydrogen and oxygen. we have rocket fuel, we have a gas station on the south pole of the moon >> let me ask you though, about some worries. already. the russians and the chinese are talking about considering in the next ten years a nuclear power plant to install on the lunar surface. and you've heard president putin even suggests some kind of either nuclear

weapon or nuclear powered weapon to be put up in space. how concerning is that? >> well, first of all, i think it's two different ideas they are talking about on the surface of the moon generating electricity from nuclear thermal energy the same as we are talking about such a similar electrical generation that's totally different from what was reported in the newspapers are a couple of weeks ago. and if those reports are true, your question to me was, am i concerned? all right of course, i'm concerned because a nuclear weapon in low earth orbit if detonated would threaten our astronauts on the international space station are foreign astronauts. likewise including the russian cosmonauts we have on the

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obviously, they can't change the gravity of earth, but they can on some of the exercise equipment, mimic the gravity of mars, which is a one-third the gravity of earth >> so the new york times put it this way that there are many challenges, including 1 that is perhaps in some mountable, perhaps not, and that is the challenge of isolation. and we have a little audio clip from one of the logs of one of the martians. and this is what she said now that we're halfway through, what do i, ms most about earth? well, what took me by surprise was how much i ms earth life, it sounds it's colors. it's almost a visceral sensation much like a phantom limb syndrome. i really never thought that this was possible. i ms the greenery, i'm missing an insect petting a cat, hearing a bird. and ms the

colorful sky of earth, it's ever changing weather. i ms nearly infinite library of earth's nature smells. >> it's very poignant and it does point out oh, what they have to endure. >> so you >> have applications, the deadline is soon. what is your 30-second elevator pitch for why humans should come and test out as martians. >> well, we're going to do this two more times in the near future. so please apply we, are trying to see how the human reacts. now, we indeed have had astronauts for a year on the international space station. a lot of what that lady suggested that she mrs. is the same thing that they ms when they're longtime on the space station, although they can see the earth below them and so we compensate that, we compensate visually for example, on the treadmill

or on the elliptical, they can be running virtually down a country lane you can compensate for what she mrs. yeah. >> i think it's incredible to think about it. >> last question. there is going to be a once in a lifetime total solar eclipse is taking place april the eighth, and there won't be another one until 21, 44 so what is special about it and why is niagara falls the best place to be as the earth revolves and there is this total blackout of the sun during the daylight hours that shadow then moves across the earth part of it, for example, is just to the south in cleveland, ohio. but when you get too great falls, there will be that total blackout and so

daylight suddenly becomes dark. and then it becomes daylight again. as the two bodies are blocking out the sun. as the body that blocks out the sun moves on. so it's, it's a unique experience and it happens once in a long period of time and it is coming up in april >> once in almost a century, bill nelson. thank you so much indeed and when we come back, hots and imaginations run free ryan, kelly cameron, on his sellout play hey, about being black in 21st century britain. but first, as haiti bunches further into chaos flashback to my archive, despite united states two mentions, no end in sight. the haiti's journey through hell >> there is no media

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work, we should be in a place where that mission can go forward. it can. >> we >> believe help? re-established security take back control of the country from the gangs. meanwhile, political transitions, moving four >> now among the poorest countries in the world, haiti is condemned to an unending cycle of poverty, violence, and failing democracy. the last time the us sent troops to restore order, the experiment failed the same dire conditions have endured ever since then. and here's my report from 1994, just before the us restored president john bertrand aristide to power >> on sunday, that people have c tehsil a, dress up, go to church and pray for a better life. the rest of the week they live in the real world. the first thing that hits you in this slum is the stench. people sit around the open sewers that run along the street. the place

is a massive outdoor toilet and it's hard to avoid falling in some have given up trying or don't even know they should. home is a shack urine and feces in the front yard. >> you >> wonder how people can stand it, but the answer is simple. >> i'm not good. >> i have no money, no means i had nowhere else to live teenagers find a red dry spot for a game of soccer. we asked how these boys felt stuck at the border of all that wealth nestled in the hills way above them miserable lives. but to answer us, they have to straddle a ditch, fulfill this young man missed menn, we >> about as us, where human beings to someone we have to leave in these conditions would like to live like them, but there's no way these are the supporters of exiled president john bed drawn, aristides, the us wants to return him to power, but he's been away nearly three years now. now an even here, some are beginning to lose pay by go one, you got

about the way things are now. >> that's good. no one can see who supports aristide or anyone else. everyone lives for themselves day by day. you find that's trying to beef up its support. the us has started broadcasting aristides speeches into haiti. but so far the propaganda is falling on deaf ears since the embargo to many or too poor to afford radios or even batteries now, us, officials here, are thinking of importing and distributing them the sanctions which aristide called four, are also making people angry, person know about gulag. >> give us the embargo. >> we can't eat about kids can't go to school. we don't want him to come back many of those who do want him back are afraid to say so publicly because we know if we say something somebody just coming in my house and take me, i'm going someplace. man came that's that's what that nobody can. we stay with the math grows >> it was borne the brunt of the violence and repression in this capital, though many of the killings, rapes, and

kidnappings are the work of common criminals. others are politically motivated bodies of frequently found in the streets and empty, large is all the domains of 200 homes taught by an anti aristide gang. haiti is at yet another turning points. but here in the slum called sun city view really believed their turn has come. >> it's a horrible picture of their reality meanwhile, the current embattled prime minister, ariel henry, promises to resign pending the us koh for a transitional council to be formed. but that hasn't happened either. and time for the people is ticking on up. next, i talk to the man behind the hit play about black masculinity in london. and why the show is still selling out on its fourth run. >> the privilege of serving you. i do not take lightly, but you will need to be better

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drama student, i'm looking for material that kind of spoke to me in a kind of way in terms of type, all i wanted to make. and i came across enter sake shang gaze for colored girls who considered suicide when a rainbow was enough. >> that's america as >> america nea actually put that on in the 1970s in new york. and i've never heard of her at that time and i was so inspired by the text and how it made young black women feel. i felt that i could identify themselves in this and i was like, you know what, as an artist, this is such a good springboard and it took me a decade to be able to write anything that could even be in the same kind of spaces that, but it inspired me to go. there are stories out there that need to be told like me. >> what is it about black boys that you think needs to be told that they can't express themselves like maybe white boys i think i feel by society to be often, the biggest issue is about what men should be,

right, and how society is for hundreds of years put menn into a position of braun and i'm being stoic and not being able to express yourself through anything, through song, food, dance, and then you can double, triple that when you add black men to it, you know, and this image that this narrative, that society and media and gives of what a black man should be. and i think as young black men, we consume that and we go, okay, well, i need to be this image of blackness, or whether i'm not black enough, right? so then i put six young authentic, different young black boys. i stays to be let know whoever you are, you are enough ev read that you were on the tube. trayvon martin, who killed you, had horrible stand-your-ground incident. to united's >> and you heard people talking about that and about trayvon. you did you hear what that was? a discussion where it what was being said was he was a young black boy in a hood. you know, what, what a us hoodie in a hoodie would the us backed. and i remember at a time thinking, well, i'm a young black boy wearing a hoodie and i'm a

father of young black boys is that an excuse, you know, is that a reason to take away our livelihood or to look at us as less, lesser than a human being. and i think at that time i had this idea of this place. well, in my head, but that was a major catalyst for me to gorka. i need to start really putting pen to paper now because this play urgent in that moment, and it is an amazing play for black boys is on now, the garrick theater here in london's west end until may 4th. and of course, you can watch our whole interview with ryan kelly cameron next week online, you'll find it and all of our shows online, as i said, as podcasts that cnn.com slash podcast. and on all the major platforms. i'm christiane amanpour in london. thank you for watching and i'll see you again next week >> hello, everyone. thank you so much for joining me this saturday o