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mundane at reagan national airport. >> this is cnn march 18, right now on cnn this morning >> now, if i don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath let's donald trump warning the nation about what will happen if he loses another election. >> plus we're not a banana republic >> israel's prime minister fighting back against calls from the united states for new elections and america's top diplomat visiting the korean peninsula at the same time, king john launches a new round, of ballistic missiles >> all right, at >> 06:00 a.m. here in washington, here's a live look at miami, florida for a little bit of pfk-1. good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. wonderful to have you on this monday morning. >> another trump's speech, >> another set of questions about what exactly did the former president mean when he said something dark and foreboding

>> we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line. >> and your >> dr. to be able to sell those guys. if i get elected now, if i don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole that's gonna be the least of it. it's going to be a bloodbath for the conscience >> so that's the quote. if i don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath. his defenders quick to underscore the remark came as he discussed the auto industry with regard to the auto workers that he was talking to. he is showing them or he's telling them what has been an economic downturn for them? >> it wasn't the only potentially inflammatory thing. trump said this weekend >> if i had prisons that were teeming with ms 13 and all sorts of people that they've got to take care of for the next 50 years, right? young people that are in jail for years, if you call him people, i don't know if you call them people in some cases not people in my opinion. these are animals. okay.

>> again, republicans trying to explain those remarks about how some migrants are not people no say first, he was speaking about the possibility of criminals been among the immigrants. and those are the people he was saying may not be people if you will. >> democrats out urging voters to take the former president at his word. here's former house speaker nancy pelosi >> we just have to win this election because he's even predicting a bloodbath. what does that mean? he's going to exact a bloodbath? there's something wrong here >> all right. let's bring in our panel, david from staff writer for the atlantic, cnn contributor, lulu garcia-navarro, and jason osborne, former senior communication strategies for the 2016 ben ben carson campaign. thank you all for being here this morning david, i'm going to let you go first here. the weekend, sort of back-and-forth around this really seem to center on a lot

of the president's defenders saying, look, he was being very specific. it was about the auto industry. this is all being mischaracterized. i want to just play the whole clip just so that no one can accuse us of not showing the entirety of what the president said about this. >> it's a little bit the longer version than what we just showed. let's watch it and then i would like your reaction bunch. >> if you're listening president xi and you and i are friends, but he understands the way i deal. those big monster car manufacturing plants that you're building in mexico right now? >> and >> you think you're going to get that, you're going to not hire americans and you're going to sell the cars us now. we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line. and you're not going to be able to sell those guys. if i get elected now, if i don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole that's gonna be the least of it. it's going to be a bloodbath for the country that'll be the least of it. but they're not going to sell those cars what's, he doing

here? >> well, trump's brain is a little bit like putting things swap around in. don't cohere and any precise shape. but i looked it up in the past 12 months, passenger, former president trump has threatened violence in one form or another, at least five times that i can count on his trip social with images of him putting a baseball bat at the head of the new york da, he's threatened death and destruction if he's not elected. so when, if this had come out of the blue, you might say, okay, the pudding brain has, has spat out something formless in the context of saying we're going to blow up the us, mexico free trade agreement then massively raised the price of cars for american consumers. he said something else. >> but >> five times, this is this would be the sixth incident of a call for violence in the past year. so i think it's at that point you've got to say, if you can't predicting death and destruction, if you lose, if you're saying there's going to be bethlehem, if you lose, if you invite your supporters to go after the new york attorney general when you then say and there'll be a bloodbath of i

lose, you lose the benefit of the doubt because there's a pattern here that goes back a year. >> i think one of the things that to me is really interesting about this entire speech was that he started it by loading the january 6. >> let's show that. yeah. >> let's play that. an we're going to pick up where we left off. okay? >> ladies, in june please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated. january 6 hostages >> do you see the spirit from the hostages and that's what they are as hostages. they've been treated terribly, unbelievable patriots and they were unbelievable patriots and our criminals who were attacked police officers on their way into the capital can precisely. >> and so this was a violent insurrection and so what he's doing there is setting the stage. he's starting his campaign rally there by saying hey, these people didn't actually do what they did. they were patriots. they are you

know, political, politically persecuted. >> and it >> sets the stage for this normalization of violence. and so when he uses words like blood, bloodbath, talking about the car industry, already, the people who are listening to him are primed to understand dan, that he's really talking about something else. >> well, and this is kind of part of it too. i mean, in the lead up to january 6, there were there's plenty of clues right along the way that this is what he was asking people to do because there was an audience that was hearing him in a certain way jumping off for your own, your thoughts here. if you think these folks are on the wrong track but i'm interested in that piece of it as well. >> well, i'm not going to sit here and defend you know, like some of the other republicans that have been on here defend. i know what he was referring to. i would say that this isn't unusual for trump to kind of go off cuff. the excuse that the teleprompter was moving around and shaking around. i mean, what trump does because it these things as he kind of engages the audience reaction and i think if he's focusing on certain parts of

the audience and the starting to lose them. they're not understanding what he's saying there waiting for that red meat thing, he throws something out there. it's careless and it's reckless, right? but i don't necessarily feel that there's a half-truth to everything that he says enough so that it reinvigorates what he's thinking is the base, right? and you're hoping that at some point he switches to a general election strategy. but in the back of his mind, he feels like these rallies are boring if he focuses on policy discussions as, et cetera. so the january 6 thing, i haven't honestly no idea what that's about. i can't sit here and say that that's a great thing to start talking about. he's already got those folks in his camp. move on and try and add voters that you lost in 2020. and then the millions of new voters that he needs to go get an order to defeat bite >> i shot the sheriff, bespoke the title of a hit song from the 1970s, and it's also confession of a crime. so if somebody says at a big rally, i

shot the sheriff. you have question, are you talking about the song? are you talking about the confession of the crime? if you've been indicted for shooting the sheriff already then when you say no, i was just referring to the song if the threat of violence is not hypothetical, we had the violence of trump as lu said prop was defending the people committed the violence same weekend, by the way, he called for the jailing of liz cheney, the person who led the investigation haven't even gotten to that. so you have to say, i know it's a pudding brand hey, i know things sort of belt jailed in these weird random things. i no one thought doesn't connect to another in his mind and i know he's free associating and panicking and getting bored. but the fact is we are in the aftermath of the end of the tradition of the peaceful transfer of power in the united states. we had a violent transfer of power in 2020, the clock resets every the other democracy in the world now has a longer tradition of the peaceful transfer of power than the united states, including the newest ones that's the context in which donald trump is

talking about blood baths and death and destruction and bethlehem to use the quotes i am asking, i think the thing that's really sobering to me as someone who's spent most of their career in conflicts covering places in turmoil with a lot of political polarization. is that language is the gateway drug often to action. and so when we hear him dehumanizing migrants when we hear him trouble about people you don't have to treat them they don't have to treat them like people. and we know he's already promised that if he gets another term, he is going to do mass deportations. he's going, we might see another version of when there was the separation of families. i mean, if you will recall during that period, there was the sound of crying children in sort of cages. it on the border. and he has already done that. he is promising to do it again. and if we see these people as animal, animals, if we see these people as criminals, then of course, that means that when

it comes to another term of trump he will be able to say, well, it doesn't matter what happens to these people. they are evil. and so that's why i think that language is important when we focus on language, we're not just saying, hey, oh, another crazy thing that trump did. it's another putting brain. it's another thing that he's just trying to reinvigorate his base. it's actually something that matters because eventually it could lead to the action. >> well, it is i mean, the one thing that i think is important not to lose sight of is that the normalization of rhetoric, of violence. i mean as david points out, there was actual violence been i was there on that day. i've looked and watched some of these people through the windows come in breach obviously, commit crimes. and now essentially, the former president is rewriting history at the top of this rally in a way that is giving permission to his supporters to do things that are quite frankly quite different outside the norms of our, its the playbook, right? change the norms i'd our panel is gonna come back. we are so

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making a decision and i would like to see if we could do that or all how i would like to see if we could make both sides happy cnn's alayna treene joins me now, alayna, first of all, making both sides happy on this issue. good luck >> what do you think he's actually going to do here? >> you know, it's really interesting because this is something i've talked to his campaign at length about this issue and something they've been avoiding they've been purposely vague on this issue and haven't taken a strong sans on a federal abortion and unlike some of his earlier republican primary challengers, because they recognize how politically potent this issue is and how really it doesn't really help republicans and it's something you hear donald trump talk about a lot. he's always thinking about the politics of this issue. you've seen him tried to tow that line over the past several months of him saying, yes. trying to cater to republicans that he was the one who helped get roe v. wade overturned. but he's also been purposely vague because he recognizes that he thinks this issue as a political loser for republicans and he's very afraid of

alienating a lot of key voters, particularly now that he's in a general election campaign mode. yeah, for sure. >> can just ask you, you were at the >> ohio rally over the weekend that we've been talking about. and what did you observe? what were your takeaways in terms of why we saw the speech we saw from him >> well, ohio was interesting because it was outside. we are in an airplane, an airport hangar, and there was like 30 plus mile per hour winds. and so donald trump, it was a very freewheeling rambling speech. and part of that was because i think he was having issues with his teleprompter. it was swaying in the wind and you could see that donald trump, he kept remarking on that saying he's unable to use and you saw make some of these more off the cuff remarks that he typically, even though he doesn't always use the teleprompter so heavily, it was definitely more noticeable in this beach. and look, i think donald trump, the dark rhetoric that we heard on saturday is exactly the type of rhetoric that yes, maybe his campaign doesn't always want him to be using, but he's going to continue to use throughout the general election. and part

of that is it's the same type of rhetoric we saw in 2016 that fear mongering, trying to put fear in the idea of voters jurors that if he's not re-elected, the country will be far worse without them. it's the same thing that we saw him do effectively. when you first were in for the white house and he's trying to implement now as well. >> so it's the curtain is down and we're seeing what's really there. all right. only in a train for us, alina, thank you very much. i really appreciate it. >> coming up here. did the biden campaign, ms a big opportunity in a key swing-state. we're going to ask one of the president's supporters, congressman dan kildee, plus iceland's famous blue lagoon under an evacuation warning. look at that after another volcanic eruption leaks lives. cia secrets >> valerie play salary, plane draw are playing. >> lines were at stake. >> yes. my children. this is horrifying. united states of scandal with jake tapper. new episode sunday night on cnn, home >> the place where you create those special moments. we

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>> i got to figure out if i'm gonna >> brave the traffic to cds this week is actually going to be very cold here >> but they're here. >> yeah and they're here very early kasie, we often look to these kind of natural processes, the blooming of these beautiful, beautiful cherry trees, alumim tidal basin, the west potomac park. but this year it is the second earliest bloom in history. and this is significant because that shows us what type of winter we had. in fact, it was the sixth warmest winter in dc's recorded history. >> less cold >> spells, more warm spells, lengthening the growing season as well, and causing these buttes to pop just a little bit too early. unfortunately, a sign of our shifting climate, winter is one of the fastest-warming seasons in the nation's capital. and in fact, with the six warmest winter on record, that is why we are seeing that early bloom with the cherry blossoms get out there though and enjoy it

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april 7 at nine on cnn >> i think what he said is totally inappropriate it's inappropriate for to go to a sister democracy and try to replace the elected leadership there. that's something that israel, the israeli public does on its own. we're not a banana republic in a new interview with cnn's dana bash, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, condemning senate majority leader chuck schumer for calling for new >> elections in israel and saying that the prime minister is impeding piece thousands of protesters filled the streets in tel aviv in jerusalem saturday night to protest netanyahu's government and demand the release of hostages being held by hamas, the prime minister insisted the majority of israelis support his policies >> there were other polls and israel, three major israeli television stations that said what israelis also support our early elections? that's what i really want to focus on here is senator schumer not calling to topple the government, but

specifically says, when the war winds down will you commit to calling new elections? that's my question. will you >> donna two-thirds first of all, what you said is wrong. the vast majority of israelis opposed early elections until the war doesn't end. we've just had many polls on that look a lot of the pools are a twist 12 says guided. 12 says 64% of israelis two, but all your lunch show >> that's not now i'm afraid that they asked him the question, do you support it during the war? and they said, that's not what humorous tone number war. he's calling for new elections when the winds down well we'll see when we win the war >> again, when we win the war, dana bash joins us. now, dan, i'm so grateful to have you have to be narrower view. you are kind of narrating what he

was saying there as we were kind of talking off-screen, what's actually the story here? >> the story is that the majority of polls, and these are three poles that just came out last week. three major television stations in israel do say that there should be new elections what would he was saying was, well, the majority of israelis want to topple of hamas of course, sure. at the majority of the world wants to topple hamas. there's no question about that. and what is going on here if you've got to take a step back, is with an under schumer last week, right after that with president biden saying it was a good speech? not at all in trying to pretend distance himself from that. >> it is >> the us, which is the staunchest ally of israel expressing severe, severe skepticism and worry about the fact that bibi netanyahu's government is taking israel

down the wrong path, not in trying to topple hamas in how it is trying to topple hamas. and specifically, we talked later in the interview a lot about the lack of humanitarian aid getting especially to the north of gaza, where we're seeing all these images of civilians starving. and it is possible for them to every, even the united states, it's possible for them to open more border crossings and they haven't >> let's talk about bbs, the pressure on himself because what is this really about? it's about the fact that if new elections were called, his support does seem to have softened. he right now as this alliance that is keeping him in power with the far right of the government, which is driving a lot of this now, the reality is that benjamin netanyahu's hold on power is very much connected to the prosecution of the war and the length of the war right now, meaning when the war ends, it's hard to imagine talking

to anybody inside israel or in the administration here that those elections will not be called, or at least i won't be even more pressure to change the government. >> and the concern is that he's continuing to say, well, i'm going to go into rafah, the southern part of gaza, where million, 1 million plus pacinian >> yes. but also hamas apparently does have a lot of tunnels under the underground going into egypt. but by continuing to say that it it buys him more time in power and you just quickly mention the fact that his government is a coalition that basically makes him one of the most liberal members of his coalition government. and you do have people on the far right who are much more hawkish is probably an understatement and right there, some of the people who are saying more aggressive, who are saying be more aggressive, not just and prosecuting the

war, but in choking choking gaza, and choking the humanitarian aid, let's expand this conversation out to our panel, david from i'm kinda interested in your dana mentioned president biden said that he supported schumer's speech. schumer was calling for changes for calling for something in a democratic country with a democracy. do you think it's appropriate >> i don't understand why chuck schumer did that. i don't understand what in american foreign policy terms that speech was intended to achieve and domestic policy terms, it's, it's pretty obvious, but it's also worth marking the day after tomorrow will be the fifth month since president biden asked on october 20 for a big aid package for israel, ukraine, taiwan, and humanitarian aid to gaza. no action by congress five months, the united states is given israel a lot of time on this war more than was given, for example, in 1982, when israel went into lebanon to deal with the plo after an oh, terrorist atrocity by the plo in that year it's given a lot of time, but the money that would

support efforts by allies and partners like ukraine, taiwan, and israel. that's lacking in the day after tomorrow, five months since october 20, middle east correspondent here. so first of all was a really interesting and important interview what i will say is what the foreign policy goals of chuck schumer's speech, we're is that they're looking for what happens after the war in gaza and after the war in gaza, the united states wants to see a two-state solution, or at least the hope of some negotiation. that is impossible with the present configuration of the israeli leadership, including bibi netanyahu and his allies and government. and so if you think about this, what is going to happen after the war, then you do see that there is a foreign policy aim here, because frankly they speaking both on the palestinian side and the israeli side, there are no partners for the united states to actually negotiate for a two-state solution. and a better, a betterment of the

situation there. so that's the first thing i'd say. the second thing i would say is that we haven't talked about the fact that bibi netanyahu was the prime administer, the leader during one of the most egregious breaches of israel's security in the modern era and this isn't only about the prosecution of the war, this is also about what he presided over. that is what people are angry about in israel. >> yeah, i think i mean, there clearly was a failure there i would go back to one thing you said about biden saying this was a good speech, didn't kirby come out the very next day or that same day and say, wait a minute, he wasn't talking about a change in leadership aspect and kind of tacitly supported netanyahu on this, i think is pretty reckless, quite frankly, that right now that's the focus is to talk about having new elections when they're in the middle of this conflict. and to your point, yes. i mean, i think republicans do bear some blame for not at pushing at least separating out the israel

aspect of it and passing something through. although ukraine was tied to it, and that causes problems, but how long dana do you think that netanyahu can use? i mean, let's set aside america, american politicians trying to get this to happen. netanyahu, this is what i've been wondering since the weeks after when you were first asking bibi these kinds of questions and he was answering your questions by saying, well, we're at war, i can't i can't deal with that right now. you can't talk to me about my political standing. and when does wonders. what does that that question was specifically about responsibility. you take responsibility because this did happen on his watch the fact that it is five months in and we have to remember and i feel like every time we talk about this, we have to say >> over and over again that this started because of this horrific terrorist. and there are still hostages and there are still hostages. about 100 hostages, including americans, being held in gaza conditions.

we can't even fathom >> but >> but i would say an even given that the fact that perception has changed, that happens a lot with israel. this seems to be different. and maybe some of it is for domestic political reasons, because the democratic base is very much opposed to the retaliation that israel is doing. but the answer your question is, i think that netanyahu kind of it seems to me that he sees at the end of the road is here or far in the distance. but it seems to me that he sees that it's point is going to have to call for elections and that is the key that i was trying to get at that but of nuance that might have been lost. what schumer is calling for is a promise for elections when the war is over >> but as i said earlier, they're very much connected, but that doesn't that's

solving for the wrong problem there's, there's there's one when we look back on this two or three or four years from now, one two things will be true. either the palestinian national movement got the idea that violent terrorism doesn't work and only leads to destruction. they must choose another path. >> or >> they get the idea that violent terrorism did sort of work, and hamas did survive. the way you will get to peace is if the message is communicated. october 7, one as eight from your palestinian national point view, eight terrible idea, never do anything like that again, it leads only to destruction. if that is communicated, there will be if there's any survived, there won't be peace. >> very quick, less than one last thought on that is that, you know, it isn't as simple as that. it isn't just like if we crush them and grind them into the ground and starve them to death. that means that somehow there will be a bright future that i think the history has shown that that just never works that way. >> we've always done it the other way. there's always been a last-minute pause and that didn't work

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>> now this present by maybe struggling in the polls, but the campaign dollars keep pouring in. here's the february numbers, $53 million raised by the president's reelection team. it's the most cash any democratic candidate has ever had at this stage of an election cycle. giving a president a significant advantage over donald trump, who spent the weekend claiming some migrants are not people predicting a bloodbath for the auto industry and the country if he loses the november election, let's bring in democratic congressman dan kildee of michigan. congressman kildee. thank you so much for being here. thank you. let's start with the comments that we've been talking about all morning where donald trump promised a bloodbath. he did make the comments in the context of the auto industry but they also come in the context of other instances where he seems to advocate for political violence. what was your reaction? >> well, two things. one, if a person intends to be president of united states, they have to understand that their words matter, particularly in the moment that we're in. right now, the last several years we've seen an increase in

political violence here in the united states. and for a person who's running for president once served as president to use that sort of language that's your responsible. now, i understand that you know, his his support is may say that it was taken out of context and maybe it was the other point, however, though is is that during donald trump's presidency, we lost auto jobs in the united states of america in president biden's presidency, we've gained auto jobs so setting aside the incendiary language, right. the facts don't support his assertion that he's some sort of savior of the american auto industry. quite the contrary. >> i want to ask you also about another piece of what happened at the rally the former president and i know this is a delicate issue. you were there on january 6 and talked at length about how it affected you personally. but i want to show you and ask you to respond

and to what the president did at the top of this rally in ohio, watch >> ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated january 6, hostages do you see the spirit from the hostages? and that's what they are as hostages. they'd been treated terribly, unbelievable patriots and they were unbelievable patriots and all what is your i mean, having been there on the day, what is your reaction? >> i have a personal physical reaction when i hear stuff like that, they are not patriots. they are domestic terrorists who attacked the united states capital and intended to do great harm. and resulted in the deaths and severe injuries for many people in the capitol police. anyone who believes those people are patriots. anyone who believes that is completely deranged. >> this is >> not good for our country going forward because it

endorses the same behavior that in the wake of january 6 democrats and republicans, they cried, i expect this from donald trump. >> what's >> more disturbing to me? is so many of my republican colleagues now are sitting on their hands looking at their phones, staring down when the president makes these sorts of comments i think of the reaction that kevin mccarthy head in the hour or two after the attack as compared to the reaction he had after flying to mar-a-lago and making up with the president this can't be acceptable behavior in the united states. and the fact that so many people, not just him, i expect this from him, but the fact that so many of my colleagues, for short-term political gain seem willing to normalize violent violent attack against not just us but themselves, included the long

view of history will not treat people who take that position very well. >> it's, it's it's to certain extent kind of like living in a warped like i i struggled to reconcile what i saw with my own eyes experienced that day with how people now talk about it. let's briefly talk about one person who hasn't done this and that is mike pence. his former vice president >> he >> actually i came out and said, well, he talked about this exact question, this this january 6 hostages question. can we show what mike pence had to say? >> well i think it's very unfortunate at a time that there are american hostages being held in gaza that the president or any other leaders would refer to people that are moving through our justice system as hostages. and it's just, it's just unacceptable your action depends. >> well, of course, i have

policy disagreements with him, but i have great respect for him for what he just said and for what you've done on january 6 that's patriotism. patriotism doesn't require us to agree on the issues, but it does require that we have greater love and honor for our country and its constitution than we do for our own narrow interests and i never served with mike pence other than when he was vice president but to go back to my earlier point a longer view of history will treat mike pence very well for what he did on january 6 and for his willingness to say what he just said. >> he has been really appreciate the conversation. i also appreciate your willingness to hang while we continue to have this broader conversation with our panel another thing i want to bring into this conversation, and is something that it's taken us a whole show to get to because there's been so much material from former president trump. i but over the weekend, he also on truth, social, said that liz cheney, who was of course the

head of the select committee on january 6, should go to jail. he wrote, quote, she should go to jail along with the rest of the unselects committee he was re-sharing something from jon sarlin and right-wing writer who was writing about the secret service agent that supposedly contradicts cassetty hutchinson's testimony here. lulu, she should go to jail. it's like hillary clinton should go to jail. liz cheney should go to jail raises quite the specter in the event that he is actually reelected >> i mean, it's it's part and parcel of the same kind of language that we see from him in that it sets the stage for this idea that anyone who opposes you should have repercussions whether they'd be legal, whether they be violent, whether they be ideological, that there should be something that happens to people who oppose donald trump. and i think that liz cheney going to jail. >> it >> again, feeds this need that

a lot of his supporters have for there to be punishment and especially women become a big target for donald trump. we know that and so we, it used to be hillary clinton and now he has this avatar and liz cheney, jason, what do you make us >> look again? i'm in this position where i feel like i'm having to defend some of the comments that he made, like eight years ago, i gave up trying to understand what where the way that donald trump's mind works. i think there is an explanation to some of this, and i think there is a reasonableness to some of what he's saying, some of the time but when he throws out this red meat about liz cheney for what, for what purpose? it doesn't get him anything except maybe laughs and jokes at a, at a rally, the same with the talks about the bloodbath i think it is mine. it's kind of a word association thing and he's like, what's the first thing that comes into my mind is bloodbath and hostages, et cetera. it's not going to do them any it's not going to do him well, coming in the general

election right? i mean, i think i'm very curious to see what happens like in this election tomorrow in arizona and see how many protests boats there are against them because that's the true sign of how this kind of rhetoric is going to play across the country and getting his base even to come out and support them. >> this topic we're having now and really this whole hour from which i've been privileged to take part is an example of why president biden will win this reelection. because when against an incumbent, the challenger should have one question got any complaints. and amazingly enough, people often have complaints and they don't all have to agree what their complaint is. and you try to mobilize everyone who has any complaint against how thing these are right now with the promise that you can make things better when you do not agree to do is to say, let me be the issue and let's ask people, have you gotten any complaints about me? and so do they have complaints about donald trump on abortion? do they have complaints about donald trump on his jobs record? do they have complaints about political violence, the number of people have complaints against donald trump is more than half the

electorate, right? and his psychic need to make himself the topic of every discussion violates his political need to say the topic is president biden. his record got any complaints? yes. so you say you think the president is going to win, but in the face of everything we've talked about this today, considering what is coming from donald trump, why is it that the president's approval? ratings are so he didn't trail trump in polls in previous election cycles. >> he is now because we're making the gear shift right now from the copic of 22.23, which is got any complaints about the existing president to the topic of 24. what do you think of this alternative one says that you talk about him and his psychological deviations all the time. >> think the economy here though is they is playing and trump's favor, right? i mean, this, this continued message from the biden campaign that the economy is great, that more jobs have been created. it doesn't resonate with the actual person who's actually having to go to the grocery store and realizes that everything is shift though we are seeing a char, but it

actually come spool. so that's why that's why immigrant duration has become such a central issue because they're not talking about the economy anymore. they're actually making immigration central because the economy has gotten better. yeah. and i think the truth is that public sentiment lags the reality on the ground. the data often takes some time for people to begin to feel it. those 14 million new jobs are occupied by people who didn't have jobs before. the fact that we are seeing the economy moving in the right direction, it takes root, but it takes time for us to do that. plus we have to send that message, continue with the psychoanalysis when it comes to president trump i think what we see is his transference when he talks about liz cheney going to jail i think he realizes that he may be the one going to jail. he we see him. do this a lot where he'll the qrs, his opponents of the things that he's engaged in heel project on somebody that he disagrees with. the very problems that he himself might be facing. >> representative is this is what we're going to have to look forward to for the next seven months is psychoanalysts

>> the truth >> the thing we remind ourselves of is that you can measure a person's performance in office largely by how they campaign and if america wants to go back to what we just saw with donald trump in front of us every single day, leading this nation, setting the tone for this country. i don't think i don't think the country is going to go there when a great political party nominates as its candidate for president ahead case. yeah, you've got a lot of cycle analysis. >> you want to respond >> that's kinda hard to compete with their, he's got the he's great quips, but i do think the end of the day, to your point, the campaign is starting to pick up on the biden side of things. but until we get to a point where on the ground people are starting to realize, wait a minute, that the economy is doing better that i am seeing more and more job creation that my neighbors are happy the pre-pandemic job growth was higher than it is right now. but i mean, continue to push that message 15 million

new jobs, et cetera. until people actually feel it and can smell it and taste it. i don't think it's going to change the numbers greatly. it's going to get closer and closer as we get closer. >> her son we're almost out of time here. but one thing i the president was in saginaw in your home state. he went in, had private meetings and talk to anybody afterwards. why not? >> that they're campaign the campaign is going to make whatever decision they want to make. i was there. it was a good event for us. we need to get the base. are volunteers, the mechanisms of the party organized and motivated? when i was in saginaw with the president, he did just that and that's really important for us at this stage. >> it doesn't show that he's a little bit afraid to confront the protesters that he might see. >> i mean, i don't think he is. i mean, he and i talked quite a bit about this. my view and i shared this with them. i think we need an ongoing conversation, particularly with the urban muslim community in michigan and i encourage them to engage in that as soon as possible. >> david, there'd been some reports that the president

himself is defensive and angry about his own campaign. what is the danger if they don't run the best campaign >> i don't think there is a danger if they don't run the best campaign because i think donald trump is going to run the campaign. donald trump has consented to run as the incumbent. he has consented to be the topic and so biden in fact, becomes a challenger, which is everyone who says got any complaints against that guy. there a lot of people biden is going to be we put over the top by a lot of people who don't like biden all that much. the people of people who would normally be republicans, people like me who voted for mitt romney biden's not our first choice, but we have to save the country >> that is to the extent that there is a campaign slogan not officially written by the biden campaign. it's probably that one bumper sticker >> all right. thank you so much to our panel for joining us. i really appreciate it. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now