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that's 1880851177. call now leaks lives cia secrets, maori play nali plane dollars, playing lives were at stake. >> yes, my children. this is horrifying united states of scandal with jake tapper. new episode sunday at nine on cnn this, is cnn. he news. >> we are monitoring breaking news this afternoon on cnn news central, top generals in charge of the chaotic us withdrawal from afghanistan back in 2021, are testifying on capitol hill former joint chiefs of staff general mark milley and former commander of us central command general kenneth mackenzie our testifying before the house foreign affairs. >> that's right. both laid some blame for the chaos on the state department. and its choice not to call for evacuations soon enough. let's

listen back in i'm not sure even today about the accuracy of all those numbers >> are they in jail dead? some of them i think some were killed afghans. i don't know about the american, i don't think americans were, but i think some of the afghans were tracked down that worked with us. and i think some of them were killed in pretty certain, some of them in pretty brutal ways. some were managed to escape through various means all those just laid low and keeping a heads down >> jim was time expired. chair recognizes mr. sherman thank you >> mr. chairman, i wish we were having a hearing with these excellent witnesses on what's on people's minds which is what's going on in gaza where we could discuss the incredible difficulties of urban warfare and how the top expert on urban warfare at west point has said

that israel has done a, at least as good a job as any other military in minimizing civilian casualties, giving the incredible difficulties of urban war warfare. >> instead, we have what appear a highly politicized hearing trying to blame biden in. this hearing began with the title biden strategic failure. i it's my understanding that our witnesses refused to testify with that title in any case, they should have. we've now retitled the hearing, but we haven't repurposed it. it continues to be politicized, but a highly partisan hearing shouldn't be held. if you're in the party that made most of the mistakes let us we had let's put this in context. we had a real dispute as to whether we should leave 2,500 or so american servicemen there for perhaps this decade in the following decade. the dissent

cable argued for that a lot of the foreign policy establishment argued for that but trump promised the american people every single american soldier would be out and from that point, we had no bargaining position that's why kalisa, called the chief negotiator, said that it was well by 2018, by the end of 2018 that we are hell bent to get every person out and so what kind of agreement did we enter into in doha? supposedly by the best negotiator in the world. then president trump. it is an agreement that says it's okay for the taliban to treat 12-year-old girls like sex slaves, no provision prohibits that nothing prohibits the taliban from killing and people, because they're part of the lgbt community nothing prohibits them from killing someone because they convert from islam. dick >> all their required >> to do is talk to the afghan

government. they talked perhaps, and then they assumed total power and we could do nothing about it because we had promised the american people that absolutely every soldier would be out. and of course, right before the election, trump promised to have them all back by christmas of 2020. the trump administration lost 59 of our service men, 152 of our contractors accomplishing absolutely nothing. we surrendered in 2020. we could have surrendered in 2017 but perhaps the most extreme partisans part partisan ship has arrived when so many >> members of this committee have attacked president biden supposedly for not bringing back the quote, 85 billion i think it's closer to 8 billion of equipment that we left behind now, this equipment was in the hands of afghans who had plenty of use for it. they

could keep it for their own defense. they could sell it to the taliban. they did not chose to bring it back to us and return it so, i'll ask general millie had we was there a way for us to go all around afghanistan and demand the return of our equipment. this is assuming i realized that at the time we hoped that the afghan armed forces would use that to resist the taliban. but if we had real july that there were going to cave immediately. >> could >> we have taken that equipment away from all these afghans with no casualties >> no, of course not so we would have incurred vary >> substantial casualties if we had done what so many on the other side of the aisle have suggested, and that's somehow get back our equipment >> now, >> how does are withdrawal from afghanistan compare to our withdrawal from well, actually

i have another question biden came in in january 2021. was there a comprehensive plan at that time? to both withdraw? >> absolutely. every one of our servicemen because that was the promise trump had made to the american people >> while >> withdrawing in an organized way with no american casualties, was there a complete plan ready to go at that time? >> so two points, if i go back to equipment just very quickly as i recall, i think it's laid out in the crs report, the special ig for afghanistan is about 80 some odd billion dollars worth of military aid total. that's everything from food and building barracks and uniforms and boots to include equipment over 20 years, run any sites. i think it's 7.2 billion of military equipment us manufactured military equipment that is what the afghan security forces that's afghan owned equipment, not

american equipment. every piece of american equipment that the american military owned came out with us with scott miller or he destroyed on-site that's a fact. so the idea that the emeritus of this, this attack on biden for nadia take-home these round it backfires recognizes mr. wilson, south carolina. all right. we are watching the house foreign affairs committee hearing on the withdrawal from afghanistan, which obviously was it? faster as it happened in the summer of 2021 but we're seeing this devolve obviously into a political event. and i guess that's not surprising here. in an election year. let's bring in someone who really knows the story of the entire war. retired army colonel liam collins, he is a former green beret a who served in afghanistan, including in the month following the september 11th attacks. he's also the co-author of understanding urban warfare in

kernel. you've been watching the hearing. i just wonder what your observations are of what you've heard so far. >> yeah. i mean, as representative meeks said, right. the call to leave afghanistan was correct, but the manner in which biden decided to do it was clearly flawed and as pointed out, right. he didn't follow the advice of his military professionals who recommended leaving 2,500 forces on the ground, right? we still forces in germany in korea, we have special operations training militaries around the world. so this request was not based on past precedents. but if you examine the military is 20 year history and afghanistan, it's professional military advice is extremely suspects, so it's understandable why biden might be hesitant to follow that advice is i think it was makes also pointed out that really they're focusing on the last six months as they should be. but really, what set the stage

is a 20 year history for what happened during the exit. so you definitely have to do a broader look to understand that the exit itself so kernel looking at the broader picture here, it seems like at several levels, there were issues, there were issues with the >> intelligence, there were issues with decision-making that that intelligence was based on. and then there were more logistical or tactical issues with equipment that was left behind. confusion about who to get out of the country after the withdrawal where do you see the biggest issues when it comes to the overall picture of the withdrawal from afghanistan i think the biggest picture really, like i said, was set way back in 2000 to 2003, 2004 when you the us >> made a decision, right? we had political and military leaders. it didn't understand the history of the polity, the culture, the social structure of afghanistan, to creating a strong central government, having a large conventional presence in afghanistan let's fan leading operations for far

too long right? and then building a strong national army when you needed local security, that kind of set the stage for what you had and then yeah, once you get to it, yet clearly was not planned and executed properly but i think you've got to look at the underlying condition since it kind of set that stage >> yeah. >> it was interesting to hear >> mily talking about that. he was looking back when two winter of 2001, he said that if there if that had been the time when bin laden head really been zeroed in on. he thought that that was something that would have obviously changed the trajectory of the war. but when you are looking at the hand that biden was dealt and to be clear, during the obama administration he wasn't a fan of obama's surge in afghanistan. >> but >> he, this was what he was dealt, right? and that's what a

president has to deal with, which is he was going to bring the troops out of afghanistan. and he was tasked, his administration was tasked with figuring out how to do it. >> when you look >> at what happened there in august of 2021 as you pinpoint how this could have gone more smoothly. it seems here as they're talking to the military, they're really zeroing in on the state department for culpability what do you think about what you're hearing there >> yeah. >> without a doubt. >> i >> mean, that's what you're going to get if you could be at the state department and here they're probably going to point the finger as somebody said, right at the defense department but you know, the finger point, you can go back and forth all day, but clearly there was not a good plan whether that was the military's falter state department's fault. it's clear that there wasn't a good a good plan for this scenario or the

or the call was made at much too late of a date those obviously led to the conditions. write an essay said, right, having two small presence in country that had to then come into security airfield and conduct that noncombat evacuation operation. anytime you got to conduct a usually under duress, usually those don't happen in advance and things go badly and it went very badly, but again, to keep in mind why some people might not have been able to forecast it or understand it despite the intelligence, the taliban is not a sophistic sophisticated foe. write, this government just collapsed in the face of a foe that's not a sophisticated or they could have clearly defeat of the taliban if they had in any will to fight whatsoever. again, just look, look to ukraine and that's a nation that's fighting what many have ranked as the second most powerful nation in the world. and fighting toe to toe with them because they have the will. but we had partners there that had absolutely no will and

no stake in their own governance. so it's taught to be successful in those circumstances. >> hello, in the context of what happened at abbey gate, i think chairman mike mccall was making the point that there's an intelligence from a sniper that was on the ground there who alleges that he had of a suicide bomber that killed more than a dozen us service members and others in his sights. and that his calls is request to engage age with that person were ignored. mccall was calling for a documents to be released to congress to further that investigation. i'm not necessarily asking about the details of that specific report, but i'm curious from your perspective, what accountability looks like for that incident in which some 13 us service members were killed >> yeah, that without a doubt, i mean, it's really sad, right? that those should be released to congress, right? i mean, they have a role obviously in the military and their actions and they shouldn't have that information withheld from them.

at the same time, i wasn't there at time. i don't under state understand what the rules of engagement that they had there. but if a sniper is in a position and he's doing his job he should never or she should never have to ask higher headquarters to engage at target they should be able to go out there and be able to make that decision at that time. because if they do have calling requests, that's what's going to happen, right? they're never going to get the word back down quick enough to engage the target. and so that's not surprising that if they had to make that request, that the suicide bombers able to get off the charge colonel thank, you so much for being with us. we really appreciate your expertise and thank you so much for your service >> thank you. >> we're going, to go back to the hearing i think congressman jason crow was just asking questions and is continuing to do so obviously, served in afghanistan himself as an army ranger. let's listen stay in keeping 2,500 beyond. we thought it need to be mated to

be coupled with an aggressive negotiation program with the taliban, one that was perhaps had a few more sticks and not all karatay. so i think you needed to change your approach to negotiation if you decided to stay, your what we'll never know. you'll never know. i think i grew joe millie is very poor possible that we could have been fighting the taliban, but it's just that's just a counterfactual that we won't know the answer to. him. >> thank you >> on the issue of a neo, i actually was one of those voices that joined you and called for an earlier neo. and it was something that i thought would have been better and could have led twice smoother evacuation, but not not a perfectly clean one because nios are hard and one thing i want to talk about is this issue of who we evacuated. your talked about getting accounts on us citizens, but the simple fact of the matter is the united states, nowhere ever requires its citizens to register with the taint department. so in no instance, do we ever fully know what americans are on the ground in any situation? is that correct?

>> i think that's 100% correct. and you'll see it playing out today in haiti, you start in the sudan, you started and ukraine start in many other places. very, very difficult. it's a voluntary thing. people are encouraged to register with the embassy, but i don't know of any compulsory requirement to do that. >> and also when we >> evacuated american >> citizens, in efficacy and many of those were in fact dual citizens. is that accurate, general mckinsey >> that's correct, yes >> and many of those folks actually had non-american citizen family members. is that right? >> that is correct. >> so many of them not until the last moment wanted to evacuate until they knew that there was a crisis because they didn't want to leave their family. is that accurate? i think you were resolutely, correct. >> so even if even if we had started a neo earlier that doesn't mean at the end of the day, there wouldn't have been a rush in a crisis as the afghan government and security forces claps because people finally realizes, realized they needed to get out that that probably wouldn't have changed

even if we had started the neo earlier hard to know, but that's certainly possibility >> glass pieces, the >> part of the story that is not yet written, and that is our partners, our friends, our afghan allies who are still there we have an obligation to get them out. there's a bill called the afghan allies protection can act bipartisan bill. i'm going to thank mr. barrett over here, who is a co-sponsor of that now, but to encourage all my colleagues who are here, who are not yet co-sponsors of that bill to sign-on because we can still do right. and save lives by passing this bill and providing a pathway for our friends to get out with that, i yield back builds. cheer >> recognizes mr. perry from pennsylvania. all right. we are watching the house foreign affairs committee this hearing about supposed to be about accountability for this us withdrawal from afghanistan from almost three years ago now. but we have some breaking news. we want to interrupt with

the supreme court. >> moments ago ruling that texas can begin enforcing sb for this is that controversial immigration law that was passed by governor greg abbott that allows local >> law enforcement to arrest people that they suspect of being undocumented. this is a very contentious law, in part because the issue of immigration for years typically with pressing from the supreme court has been handled by the federal government. here the state of texas is effectively taking immigration law into its own hands we're going to get more details on this ruling by the supreme court and get you updated with the latest as soon as we come back on cnn news central, stay with us the lead with jake tapper today. at four on cnn >> now, at t professionally installs google nest products >> you all sudden >> your home is safe and smarter. we're gonna ms you can check it on your home our mis system, they should go manage your system from virtually anywhere get

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use its own law enforcement powers against them. that really flies in the face. he's decades and decades of federal immigration law and the biden administration had challenged this texas law it's commonly known as sb4. it was signed by governor abbott back in december, really taking a hard law enforcement effort against people crossing the border. the administration had said, you can't do this if federal immigration is our concern and the merits of this dispute are playing out in lower courts. but the question was, should this law be allowed to take effect a lower district court judge had said, no, put the court on the the law on hold while the legal proceedings play out. but today, the supreme court ensured that that law can go forward. now, just so you know, only three justices dissented here and they were the liberal justices.

justices sonia sotomayor ketanji brown, jackson, and elena kagan. and i'll just read briefly from their descent because the majority itself did not explain itself. it just had an order that said that texas can enforce this two justices on the right. did concur in that. i'll get to that in a second. but i just wanted to explain what the dissenters road they said today, the court invites further chaos and crisis in immigration enforcement. texas passed a law that directly regulates the entry and removal of noncitizens in explicitly instructs it its state courts to disregard ongoing federal immigration proceedings that law appends federal state balance of power that has existed for over a century. that's what justices sotomayor and jackson road and then justice kagan wrote separately, the subject of immigration generally and the entry and removal of noncitizens particularly are matters long

thought. the special province of the federal government that's that's kinda the crux of the argument, even though this is playing out in such human terms at the border, this was kind of a very legal separation from the federal government, from the state's issue that came up to the court and the justices the majority, at least, felt that this is something that right now texas has the upper hand. now i will caution that this victory on the part of texas is a really significant victory today when you consider all that's happening at the border, it's significant, but it might not be long lived only because this is it's going to go through arguments on the merits. the only other thing i want to mention just because i want to give the majority it's due the justices and you need at least five votes. so it could have been it could have been 54 more likely it's probably 63, but we don't know because they didn't sign their order but it needed at least five votes to

at least allow the texas law to take effect. justices amy coney barrett and brett kavanaugh wrote a concurring opinion to the majority decision, basically just saying that they didn't feel that it was right to interfere. what the lower appellate court, the fifth circuit had said at this point about. and allow the law to take effect. the fifth circuit will be hearing the merits of this very large dispute on april 3rd, boris brianna. yet so they'll hear it next month. >> in >> in the interim, texas is allowed to proceed with the law that the governor abbott signed into law in december what do you think this means though, joan? i mean, are you reading more into this than just okay. you can proceed. texas as you want to, until it's decided >> are you >> reading a lot into that rather than them saying, you

know, even though they the concurring justices who were with the majority just two of them justices, sotomayor and kavanaugh said, you know, we're not deciding the merits here, but it's certainly brianna gibbs, texas, the upper hand here, and remember, they are allowed to do something that a state has never done before. arrest and detain people on their own state powers who they they think are here illegally. as i said, normally something of the federal government so in the very end, months from now, many months from now, this law could be struck down as unconstitutional as the biden administration argues. but right now, it's allowed to be enforced with such great consequences there at the border i significant ruling that will have immediate impacts on the situation at the border. joan biskupic, please standby. we want to bring in former is acting director under president obama, john sandberg. john, thank you so much for being with us right off the bat. your reaction to this decision by the supreme court to allow sb4 sb4 to be enforced

via boris. actually, i'm quite stunned by this flies in the face of longstanding precedent when other states have tried to enact their own border enforcement schemes. the court has shut that down, obviously, most notably arizona. but look, i think the dissenting justices got this one, right? this is to so a lot of chaos at the border, frankly at a time, but we don't need chaos how texas is going to implement this is going to be challenging at best, how they're going to quickly mess. their practices and sums of arresting perceived undocumented immigrants with the federal, the border patrol's efforts and overall, federal government's efforts will be very difficult to implement. and i think the final thing here i'm going to expect some copycat legislation to be popping up in other states very quickly, not necessarily border states would expect to see a state like florida. now that the supreme court is essentially least given a greenlight even if only temporarily, you've got to expect a state like florida and some other states there have been very vocal on these issues to try to implement their own

form of this legislation >> that's a very interesting point, and you can see how you would expect that to go. so as this proceeds, it least in the interim of this issue of this law making its way through the court we have to be very clear about that, right john, is that this isn't the last word when it comes to this law that is still something that is proceeding at this point. what do you think about the court saying in the interim, we are going to allow this to proceed. what kind of message do you think they're sending by not wanting to interfere, but letting this proceed in, what we're going to see is a bit of an experiment in states rights on this issue. >> yes, certainly you think that the court, by lifting this injunction, that it means there's a greater likelihood that they will ultimately will validate that the texas state law allowed to go into effect

one time, of course that could change in the way this is implemented could also make a big difference so look at the arguments sends out around whether or not this conflicts with federal law. and i think what texas was doing, frankly, exactly what arizona tried to do is write this legislation in a way that made it look consistent with existing federal law i have my doubts about that. obviously the crux of this issue, as we've discussed, 1 million times, as are asylum laws the fact that we give rights to individuals who come into the united states to make an asylum claim. i'm not sure how this this texas state scheme is going to be reconciled with that aspect of it. and frankly, i don't know how texas is going to be actually to be able to deport people that mexico state try because of course they need the permission of mexico as a sovereign nation or candidly brianna, most of these migrants are not from mexico. the majority are from other countries. i don't know if texas texas is plan is to start initiating repatriation flights. don doors are all salvador, how would you ever they'd actually coordinate that but look as it relates to the court, i mean, you write this is temporary and things could

change depending on how it's implemented. but certainly i would think that this, is, indicative that the supreme court is more likely to validate the statutory scheme than they are to invalidated some significant open questions that you brought up their johnson would very much appreciate the perspective or thanks to joan biskupic as well we're juggling a lot right now. not only there's decision by the supreme court, but also this ongoing hearing before the house foreign affairs committee on the withdrawal from afghanistan, we're monitoring all of this. we're going to stay on top of it and bring you the very latest in just a few minutes when we come back this is the big dam time to names2 that do >> meet normally. >> these bar jack russell and part tornado meet the bissell cross wave hydro still it's part vacuum mop steamer. and

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and state. now we have a clearer look at that as we hear from retired general mark milley and retired general frank mackenzie the top us general at the time, and the commander of us central command both million mckenzie said they were waiting for an order from state to conduct what's called a niall a non combatant evacuation order. part of the reason that didn't come sooner from state was that they believed that issuing that would have triggered triggered widespread panic and chaos in afghanistan and so they delayed that order to conduct a neon to carry out an emergency evacuation only coming in the end on august 14? that is one day before the afghan government or parts of the afghan government leadership fled the country and then of course we all saw the chaotic scenes that cobbles international airport including what led to in the closing day phase over the withdrawal, a suicide bombing that killed 13 us service members, both millie and mckenzie said dod was planning, as it does, for different possibilities in different ways to carry out an

evacuation. as they waited not only for the plans, but also waited for the order from state to carry out that evacuation. both testified as they have done in the past, that they ready commended, keeping a certain level of troops there somewhere between 2,500.4500, which would allow allowed them to hold critical us assets, including bcg rooms international airport here, take a listen to this we should have held at 2,500 at 2,500 us forces. if you also assume that will allow the afghans to stay in the fight, you can maintain a viable base at bagram, but there's little question in my mind that had the united states that either president agreement to withdraw if we didn't withdraw 100% that we would've been back at war with tell him that's right >> you get a sense between those two clips. they're of a difficult position. the biden administration was in to violate the doha agreement from the trump administration would have led to an open war with the taliban. once again, you heard that from mark milley there, whereas essentially

pulling all the troops out means you lose some of the critical us acids that had been there, like bagram airbase. so a challenging position, once again, we hear million mackenzie going through their perspective on how the chaotic withdrawal all played out there >> no significant testimony from the two generals, oren liebermann. thank you so much. stay with cnn, were back in just moment. >> leaks lives, cia secrets. >> valerie plane, salary, plane trial, replaying, >> lives were at stake yes, >> my children. this is horrifying. >> united states of scandal with jake tapper. new episode sunday at nine on cnn >> have you heard slant jd offers the news you love for less weight you look and sound just like me. >> actually, >> i am you because on the same news programs on sling for less, you mean you're me but for less money. a lot less? i'm all your favorite news programs and more on sling starting at just $40 a month. everything great about me, but for less money, which makes me

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enforcing it's controversial immigration law officials and texas are celebrating this decision. let's get the reaction from the white house now with cnn's arlette saenz, are led what is the white house saying about this? >> wellbore is officials at the white house are still pouring through this recent decision by the supreme court, but it certainly will be a disappointment for the biden administration, the justice department had long argued that this law down in texas is conflicting with the federal and constitutional standards, noting that enforcement kind of immigration has been left to the federal government's in the past. now, president biden, right now, is in reno, nevada, bit north of where we are in las vegas. he just wrapped in events so we will see whether he might speak to reporters about this decision from the supreme court, but it does come at a tense moment in the 2024 campaign when border security issues have really risen to the top of many voters concerns. we know that this is an issue that has proven to be a liability for president biden. the

republicans have tried to weaponize the the issue of the border against the president, but the president has tried to push for that bipartisan border policy. a lot that, that was negotiated in the senate, but ultimately was scuttled by republicans at the urging of former president donald trump. this also comes as we have seen, these tensions between the federal government and the state state of texas over how to enforce immigration policy. texas governor greg abbott doing things like bussing migrants up from the us southern border up towards northern in states. or you've also seen the justice department waged in this fight with texas over that concertina wire along the border down there. so this is just another episode in this one long-standing dispute with the state of texas over how to address the issue of border security. so we will wait to see what the white house has to say a little bit later today, just yet that's today white house press secretary karine john pierre, had been asked what the administration would do if this law were allowed to

go into what effect she would not get into the details of that tap. it it certainly will be a blow to the biden administration as they had really tried to stop the to prevent the enforcement of this law, which has supreme court has now said state of texas, i can do of course, there are still legal challenges playing out in the federal appeals court on this level as well >> arlette saenz, we should point out or lead is in nevada because president biden is in the middle of or at the start of a swing out west, he will be stopping in arizona later today to try to a court latino vote voters. they're arizona, obviously a state that's been impacted by the issue of immigration or let thanks so much for the update. the state with new central were back in just a few minutes >> houston check we hear nothing. >> a space shuttle accident. it's usually not one thing. it's a series of events. >> is that part of the wing coming apart >> space shuttle columbia, the final flight from your sunday, april 7th at nine on seat bob, i call eight a chess congestion. hello, 12 hours of

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privilege, and i'm very curious to get your insight on that >> it's not even close question. first of all, he never got a permission from the former president when he was president. and certainly donald trump said nothing as an ex-president because he had no authority is who have sort of executive privilege conversations this is just the total red herring and what peter navarro did was he just totally blew off this committee, didn't respond at all there are others who have done contempt, but have not been prosecuted. but it was so egregious in this city actuation. the justice department really had no no issue with preceding the prosecution. they had to yeah. >> he's referring here to an alleged crime. it is a real crime to be clear, he argued that for hundreds of years, contempt of congress was not a crime. that's not true.

>> and if anyone knows it, it would be you. i think of g. gordon liddy >> g gordon liddy, yes. gordon liddy was defined, refused to appear before a committee. i think they took him up and he wouldn't talk he was polite, but he was, he actually did more than peter navarro and he got a contempt citation. as a result of that, the justice department added to his already lengthy water great list of criminal activity. so yes, it has been in effect i think peter is going to try to wear this as a badge of honor, and it's not yet know. >> he's clearly doing that and we saw that he spoke for a half-hour before going in to the prison today. >> we've >> seen congressional subpoenas. john be pretty toothless. i think we've seen that, especially of late. do you think navarro going to jail

puts any byte in them >> i think it helps. there have been a number of requests by members of congress to do something about the weakness of their subpoena power because they have been blown off by a number of presidencies and treated very lightly by the white house on the so-called executive privilege claim. this, this is this was an extreme case factual wise, but it also does show the congress can get it its subpoenas enforced congress can be very loose and careless and absurd. often in trying to use the subpoena as they tried to put the attorney general, eric holder in chem to of congress but it it does start to get back to normal. and i think congress should, should really get it its own inherent power back. and there have been a number of bills have just been

ignored. to do that because they do have this power, but they've deferred to the department of justice to enforce their contempt citations john is always great to get your expertise. we appreciate you being with us. john dean >> thanks, brianna were following a lot of breaking news this afternoon. the supreme court allowing texas to begin enforcing it's controversial immigration law we'll have more on that when we come back >> backroom deals, cia secrets, affairs bribery, corruption, prostitution there's so much more to the store. >> united states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn stay, ahead, if, >> you're moderate to severe eczema and show off clear skin and less is with depicts it the number one prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists that helps heal your skin from within. serious allergic reactions can occur

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