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>> good evening. we begin tonight, keeping them honest. we're just five days and counting until the former president's 464 million, new york civil fraud bill comes due. the one he's told the court he cannot secure a bond for it for despite prior claims like these by his attorney >> they know by looking at a statements of financial condition that this guy is worth a lot of money, billions and billions of billions of dollars. and that didn't even include his brand martha unfortunately, they picked the wrong guy to pick on, in my opinion, because he's strong, he's resilient and he happens have a lot of cash. this guy is it's worth a lot of money, billions and billions of billions of dollars. yeah, happens have a lot of cash, of course he has money, you know, he's a billionaire. we know that there will be a bond and there'll be no issues with that. >> except he has had issues apparently, and according to his attorney is still has issues finding any insurance company willing to underwrite the bond. not even chubb, which underwrote the $91,000,000 e jean carroll bond that's according to this source says kaitlan collins, he joins a shortly multiple sources

telling her, as we mentioned, the top that he's in panic mode, even though he said under oath not so long ago, he's got liquidity you despair >> we have a lot of cash. i believe we have substantially in excess of 400 million cash, which is a lot for a developer developers usually don't have cash, they have assets, not cash we have i believe 400 plus and going up very substantially every month >> early not or not enough to back the bond, which is what underwriters are now demanding according to his lawyers, something the new york attorney general's office underscored and it's filing today. response funding to the former president's request for a stay quoting now, as far as the court can infer, sureties may have refused to accept defendants specific holdings as collateral because using mr. trump's real estate will generally need a property appraisal and his holdings are not nearly as valuable as defendants claim claim trump, attorney buckeyes meantime, says in a statement that the attorney general, quote,

demonstrates her continued willingness to misrepresent the facts. and ms applicable misconstrue construe applicable law in her political crusade against president trump. so the back-and-forth continues as the clock ticks on join me now, former federal prosecutor, jessica roth. to me, dia, a gang williams who served as senior investigative counsel in the house january 6 committee and kaitlan collins. so what more can you tell us about? the president's attempts to secure this? >> they had kind of been under this impression that because chubb, this other insurance giant underwrote his last bond that he had to pay a part which was the one for e. jean carroll, about 90 million that they would also do this one. so the head is 30 day grace period that they got because the attorney general could have started collecting on this when the judge ruled. they've had this 30 day grace period that ends on monday. they had been under this assumption that they would be able to find find someone and what they went to the courts with this week is saying, no, we so far have gone

230. we haven't been able to find anything. the ag's office is objecting to that today, saying they really are casting doubt on it and don't believe that they actually tried their best efforts to i try it and where it puts trump and his legal team now, is there kind of scrambling to figure out what they are going to do before monday. because when it comes to he could wait and count on this appeal wait to see if they're going to lower what he has to pay for the bond to maybe $100 but they're also looking at wealthy supporters saying if they could help him here, they're looking at his properties, what they could potentially sell in quickly, but all well, that is really complicated. and so really the reality is he could find himself in a real financial bind, come monday, just got i want to put this graphic up on the screen that shows some of trump's new york properties i guess could be relevant to all of this what do you think the new york attorney general's basically calling bs on trump's claims. >> yeah. i mean, the puzzle here is why >> is it so hard for him to come up the money to secure the bond between his claims about how much cash? he has and the value he's asserted with respect to these properties why is he having such a difficult time getting anybody to write

the bond for him those properties. i mean as the attorney general points out i mean, trump claims that these insurance companies won't write the bond and have real estate real property as collateral. and she says simply not true as as a hard matter of law. and if they have limits on how much they'll write the bond for which he also claims, why wouldn't you pool some of the different companies and bonds to put together the full amount that euo or she also says, you could actually just transfer ownership temporarily to the court and they would hold these properties as the collateral for the box so there's there is there are these properties. the question is, what are they worth y having trouble getting anybody else to accept them as collateral and y as a fallback doesn't he just transfer them to the court? >> also just go why why is waiting to the last couple of days? >> that's really a question, but his attorneys had to know that this was a real risks. they couldn't have been reasonably counting on chubb underwriting a bond and this amount so it's a real question of where they actually taken by surprise by chubb or have they

been working behind the scenes? there's other avenues or have they just not been trying very hard and they were counting on some savior coming along and giving the money. it's really not clear why they're in the bind that they're in, but they are down to the wire to me, do you want to read something that the attorney general's office said in their brief, they said and in supply no documentary evidence that demonstrates precisely what real property they offered to sureties on what terms that property was offered or precisely why the sureties were unwilling to accept the assets >> i >> mean, how can it be that they wouldn't provide do they not have to provide evidence of this wiping what the attorney general is suggesting is that they're not being honest here. i think it's not surprising where they're very reason why the former president is where he is now is because he's had a pattern of fraudulent dealings when it comes to his finances. so i think what's really important here is that these folks that would, would underwrite a bond here, these are rational business entities. if there's money to be made here, they would do so frankly, i think the fact that he spent i think noted countless hours

negotiating a bond here suggests that there is a deal to be made here, that this is not some on amount than insurance companies wouldn't support here. so i think what the ag saying is that put up or shut up? you anything there's a deal to be made. if trump was really willing to make a deal. i mean, if he's willing to accept terms and he didn't like exactly end if he has assets are going to back this up. if you've truly worth the billions and billions of dollars that he says he is, that he would be able to hi there are just good noted transfers assets, use them as collateral. there are lots of avenues here. the sophisticated parties can arrive that but i think suggests here without any evidence that he is not quite as willing to make a deal as you suggest you're not going to get to the heart of what all of this is about and what the ag's office is saying here is that all along they said he over inflated the value of his properties that he >> inflated them and they're saying that whatever he's taking to use as potential collateral well, here, they don't actually know what the true value of it is because he has a history of inflating it

also, he's someone who he's talked and deposition. so how much cash he has, but he's asset rich in cash, poor. he has much more in assets and that has always been case and it's not so clean cut that he could just put something up for sale because then it triggers all of these other factors. and so that's why he's in the position that he's in and why there is this panic of what he's going to do here and the anger that you see. and on the ag's office, i'll say there's a lot what i've mistrust in their claimed that they just can't find anyone to underwrite it because it was the 11th hour that they got chubb to underwrite the bond for e. jean carroll. >> so just terminate the process here. if the appeals court they could grant foreign president reduction in the amount, right? >> they have that authority to do so >> that they could do in the next couple of days? they could. and one hopes that they will at least rule before monday >> if they don't grant a reduction appeal, he can try to appeal up to the new york court of appeals is the highest court. so there's one >> more avenue of it because that has to be done before monday he would have to do that. i think if he's going >> to try to again, void the consequences on monday, you'd

have to try one more time to get an appellate court to stay the judgment. >> and then what would the process look like? the attorney general? starting to collect the judgment amount? yeah. so that's really interesting. it's not going to happen overnight. i mean, with respect to the cash and things that are in bank accounts that process is more straightforward in terms the ability to actually send an order that effectively freezes those assets. the real estate properties are much more complicated and that's not self-executing at all. and so that's a process that would play out in court in terms of actually getting a judgment against those particular properties, he could contest that as well. there are mortgages on many of those properties. right. so that's not something and happen overnight. it would shock me that he would want to lose control to that extent that she would actually be initiating judgment and then sale of those properties so the whole purpose of the bond is to maintain the status quo as the appellate process works out. and so when certainly hopes that they'll reach some sort of accommodation, he'll come up with some package, maybe the ag agree to something lesser to maintain the status quo and to avoid that prolonged litigation

while the appeal is pending out to me die. >> how do you see this playing out? >> i think one thing it could be interesting here is going to be the former president's cash flow. i mean, one thing she can do quickly is freeze his accounts. and i think that's gonna be very interesting because the that's our liquid. so that's going to impact his day-to-day ability to live his life. but if she's freezing his accounts, that's going to do that. she also has the ability to go to individuals who owe him money and basically give them restraining notices that they no longer gonna give him that money. so she could make his life quite difficult from a cash-flow perspective and the short term and from what we can see, he does have an expensive lifestyle. so i think that's where you might see the crunch and and make him a may make him make a deal quickly in a associate with her. so she's not going as hard as she could. >> there is this real a former judge has been appointed to oversee the company. would that judge have have be privy to what negotiations were like between trump and these possible companies. >> i don't think she would

necessarily be privy to the negotiations between trump and the attorney general. but with respect to any transaction that would result in a sale of the properties you. would have to approve it before it goes >> and that's the trump legal team argument is that there is this monitor that was put in place because of this. so they would have to approve anything so they could basically keep an eye on everything as this the peel is playing out. but for the letitia james, the attorney general here, obviously there is no love lost between her and donald trump, and she's made clear since the last month of what properties she's had her eyes on and she has said that she would start to seize them. she is not really been shy it all or any kind of shrinking violet on this. >> caitlin. thank you. wael said kaitlyn, the top of the hour for the source. now the politics of this campaign, politics joining us as he does most wednesday's democratic strategist, james carville, james from a strategic standpoint, do expect the biden campaign to take on trump civil legal troubles and his failure thus far to produce this bond >> well it's evident that he can on at all through lara

trump >> the state parties, you'd look around country, these republican which couldn't be in a prime example the state party's of fallen apart and would biden can do is he can see, here's here yes resources as superior resources right now, he needs to seize the moment and just go after trump. would both hands and both feet because there is an advantage when you get an advantage in politics or business, or entertainment, or sports, you press your advantage is hard as you possibly can. >> so you think the president, the united states, should be talking about trump's civil issues, his business problems that they should do. i think surrogates should talk about them all the time i think they get run ads that but i'm not sure that his legal problems are the best avenue steve bannon said as it would take an office in 2017, we're just

going to flood the zone, would spit thanks bit but does a family show. and what flight they flaunted it and the problem with trump as there's so many things you got to pick one or two and go after it pope that the white house takes advantage of this leverage that they have right now is financial leverage that they have prison button condemned from president trump's rhetoric about migrants at an event in arizona yesterday. i just want to play part of that this is a guy who who's the way he talks about the latino community is well? 2016, he called latinos, criminals, drug dealers, and rapists when he came down an escalator. now he says immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country what the hell is he talking about >> you are proponent of the president and his all his spokespeople in the campaign. doing that more and more yeah.

>> not so much him i mean be candid answer president biden is not the best attack act politician. i've ever seen in my life, and i'll leave it at that. but they are a lot of people to do what i call quote, the wet work, unquote and i like a mob sort of a where i was kinda, but it's a paid tv and stuff like that. but yes, i cia term take a guy i out, but he doesn't need to do to what work people like me and other groups in the party need to do that he he's not very good at it. i don't think people want to hear from that. and then he can he can cruise along, handle at a better altitude, but this has got to be done and they got a precious advantage right now and i haven't i've heard you said this is the first presidential race in your lifetime. that's not about the future. what do you mean by that >> well, mean exactly what it is. we do we want today? or did we want four years ago?

>> i mean, i don't know of any proposals. i mean, other than trump's and he's going to control security, i'll get rid of obamacare i have no idea what he would direction followed him on to take the country. i don't have much of a sense at present, biden's articulated a potential second term plan or something like that and we'll just today yesterday, that's your choice. tomorrow is not part of this equation which is unusual in american presidential politics. >> james carville, thanks very much, appreciate it >> thank you. >> tonight coming up next cnn instrument prokupecz catches up to the candidate running to oversee north carolina's public school system has been avoiding or questions about her extremist online postings, including june on slogans, conspiracy theories calls for the execution as traders of president biden and former president obama. sure, mr. in the schools later cnn's gayle king and charles barkley just

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>> erin burnett outfront tomorrow at seven on cnn the woman you're about to hear from might never have found herself in the national spotlight. michele morrow is her name. she wasn't expected to win her republican primary race to be north carolina's top public school official. then last week in an upset, she did when and when she did her extreme and controversial comments began getting attention last friday, cnn's kfile reported that she has, for example, tweeted under her now-dormant personal account about wanting to see former president obama put in front of a firing squad on paper view saying, quote, we could make some money back from televising his death that's just one of a string of social media postings between 2,019.20, 21, in which ms morrow made suggestions about executing obama and other prominent democrats for treason, including congresswoman alone omar north carolina governor roy cooper, former new york governor andrew cuomo, hillary clinton, senator chuck schumer, and then president elect biden in the biden tweet, here's how she

answered the question. will you follow joe biden's advice and wear a mask for 100 days? never. she replies, we need to follow the constitution's advice and kill all traitors ms morrow has also promoted q and on tweeting the queue non slogan where we go one, we go all multiple times. she also tweeted that the actor jim carrey all right. it was likely searching for adrenochrome, which is a reference to acute on conspiracy theory, which claims that celebrity celebrities harvest the harvest the blood, and drink the blood of children to prolong their own lives >> that's what believed in addition to all that, ms morrow, who again, is the candidate to be north carolina's hop public school official has called public schools socialism centers and indoctrination centers now as part of that kfile report, cnn reach out to morrow and her campaign multiple times to get her side of the story, but received no response. so after publication, the kfile story, morrow tweeted the following, according to at kfile and at cnn and at cnn politics obama's drone attacks on

hundreds of innocent muslims in yemen are not treasonous. the insanity of the media demonstrates the need to teach k12 students real history and critical thinking skills which of course doesn't directly address the multiple social media postings we just listed. so with that in mind, cnn's shimon prokupecz went to north carolina and try and speak with her in-person took him several days. they finally caught up to her outside are wake county republican party event in raleigh shimon joins us now. so what did she have to say >> yeah. anderson. so she went to this gop convention. it's a local gop convention. in wake county, there are other elected officials there, including the lieutenant governor mark robinson, who himself has had some controversy, has had some controversy personal statements, and we finally got to speak to her as she was leaving. take a look at that exchange >> hi, ms morrow. how are you how did it go in there >> yeah, great. yeah. and >> good. who are you guys with?

shimon prokupecz on with cnn. >> have you been parked in my neighborhood by any chance? >> we've been trying to talk to me >> okay. well, you can go through my >> seven i have you now, so why don't we talk now >> why not? >> well, i want to ask you, do you he'll stay and i'm not talking to you, ma'am, do you still stand by your comments about former president barack obama and that should be executed calling for the deaths the father president's do you stand by that we're doing do you stand by those comments? have a good night. do you stand by what you've said about the public education system and that it needs to be destroyed. no. do you stand by that? do you understand the concern that people have with this nomination? i do now? >> north carolina that keep your eyes on your own paper >> well, let me ask you, i i've read i've read papers. so here to keep your eye, turns, people have with your nominee the nation, and the things that you have said, people in new york have concerned over the country

really concerned about north carolina. do you know that education? sun is a problem in this entire country? so maybe they need to focus on what's going on in your state of new york, which by the way is where i grew up. maybe they need to focus on what's going on in california yeah. where children are not getting the education that they need, maybe they need to focus on what they're doing in michigan because right now in north carolina, i'm focused on helping the families of north carolina for their children to get quality education for them to be safe and for us to be sure that our money is going into the classroom rather than bureaucracies. that's what i've been focusing on. that's what i've been fighting for for the last five years, going to the general assembly and dealing with those issues. right. so that is why i'm running my understand that. but you have set such hurtful thing thanks to the terms of the education to tell you about transgender everyone is so done with the gotcha moment. this >> is not a gotcha. >> your own words, man who's are your own. >> that's not you have

education. the former president are my words because you tweeted, are those not your tweets, do you deny saying that you have an opportunity now i am totally deny saying that i am. are you denying that you said that in those tweets? >> i am >> telling you, have you that i'm going to do talk about the indoctrination of children by teachers i am telling you, have you talked about that? have you said that about student have you seen any of me going to the school board for the last five years because you will have my answer so sherman, clearly, she didn't answer your questions. she didn't want to talk about the tweets about executing president obama or biden has ms morrow ever explained her twins? it's calling for the execution. these executions >> well no, not not exactly. she's deflected a lot she's tried to suggest them apps like she did to me that maybe wasn't even written by her. how do i know? she said to me at one point that it was something that she posted. so she's deflected, she's of course, you can clear that up and she can clear it up very simply just by answering

answering the question >> yeah. i mean, it's not that difficult to do, but you can see there that when i wanted to talk about some of those things that she has said and they're very hurtful. i mean, there are people in this state who are very surround about what she has said and just her lack of empathy and understanding into different issues that affect students and children. >> and yet, >> when you look back at and everything, she has said, it is very troubling. and she could clear so much of this up, but the bottom line is she's now in a position to get elected to a position where she we will be running a school system with a students and a massive budget. and then she would just have this she would have the podium she would have a place to speak it to say what it is that she is feeling more widely and that is certainly very concerning to people here, anderson thanks very much on his now as republican strategist in north carolinian doug hi, who

recently tweeted, quote, north carolina republicans dump this lunatic. >> doug. what does it say about the >> republican party north carolina to an extent, the republican party nationwide this person is the gop nominee for such an important job in do you think voters realized these tweets that she had sent out the support of q and on now, absolutely not. >> look, this was a >> down-ballot race. it wasn't one of the top tier racist. obviously, you had trump running for president mark robinson running for governor, which of the two marquee races? this is down-ballot. it gets fewer votes. it was a low turnout year about 25% of eligible voters voted in this primary. so i don't think they knew exactly everything that she said. a lot of this has come out since the election, but i see so much of this in every direction. anderson this is bad. these are not just appalling statements. these are the worst of the worst statements calling to assassinate political opponents and so forth as a former campaign hack myself having spent a lot of time in wake county in raleigh, that's not

the state party headquarters on hillsborough street. but what i see is bad staffing, allowing your candidate to walk that far. we shimon being able to get every question in that he could you won't have a car there, so you can get your candidate out immediately because you know, and this is problem number three. you don't have good answers to these questions unless you can just simply say that either you didn't do them, which clearly she did or what i said was wrong and apologize for it. unfortunately, in american politics these days, we don't really reward people for standing up and saying that they made a mistake. we don't reward for the apologies. that's one of the lessons that donald trump's taught us in 2016. i was in wake county in raleigh the day after the access hollywood tape came out and i would have told you that day, anderson that there's there's no way donald trump could win the reality is he did. now, north carolina is a lot of close races. this may be one of them. we go back and forth with our politics is as far as senators and governors so she could still win but we've learned the lesson and i think this is what she's

learning. it's a bad lesson but maybe if you don't apologize, you can get away with it >> i mean, it shows the whole trafficking in q and on talking about adrenochrome and all that is based on anti-jewish horrible anti-jewish tropes which were used by the nazis about jews drinking the blood of children. i mean, the idea that this person could be head of the school system in north carolina is it's quite extraordinary. >> it's extraordinary. and look, it would be extraordinary if she were also the insurance commissioner candidate or a state senator or for basically anybody running for governor unfortunately, though anderson in our politics right now, we're so stratified and we've seen the parties go so tribal. it's not even so much red versus blue anymore. it's almost shirts versus skins that everything that we do in our politics it comes down to that sort of existential level. and so on we're calling for the executions of a former president and the president elect is not disqualifying for an elected official. america

are running a school system who's talking about teaching the real history? i mean, is there anything that's disqualified? >> well, this should be it. and obviously, again, i don't think that the voters, republican primary voters in that case new, but this should be a good example. four we have a new state, or we have a new rnc chair michael whatley, he's also the state party chair in of north carolina. i've known him for 20 years michael, this is a time to stand up and show leadership. this has to be a line that we don't cross because we've seen political violence against republican members of congress, against democratic congressman or congresswoman, obviously with gabby giffords, we know that this could happen again. this is a time for leadership to stand up and say no i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. thank you. >> coming up another in a series of conflicting court decisions over texas immigration law that could come at any moment. i read lemon derek, join us next on what's been very confusing and a lot of scatter scepticism greeting this law, even if the law enforcement agency charged with enforcing it also tonight,

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these daily street scenes some residents like elizabeth bowen said delay own, shrug off the concern about being asked to prove she's a us citizen if they is done me if they asked me why are you from i don't care. that's in bothered me because i know i'm label and i'm not doing anything wrong. >> i'm just on edge more 28 year-old el paso resident, diego carlos fears, the new law will mean he and his family will be open to constant questions and harassment. >> i'm like, all the time, i'm like looking over my shoulder, but the dps officers, those are the ones like, you know, i hate my hair stands up on the back of my neck whenever i see those black and white trucks the fate of the texas immigration law known as senate bill four, or sb4, is being hashed out in federal court during oral >> arguments in the fifth circuit court of appeals today, texas officials argued the law should go into effect while the legal challenge plays out in federal court.

>> texas has decided that we are at the epicenter of this crisis. we are on the front line and we are going to do something about it. >> this law would give local law enforcement officers the ability to arrest migrants suspected of entering texas illegally and allows state judges just to deport migrants to mexico. but one of the judges voice confusion over how the law would work confusion partially echoed by the attorney representing texas i was just trying to envision how this all plays. >> a >> couple other things just because i'm not sure i understand the law totally. so what if someone enters in, let's say, from mexico into arizona and lives there for five years, then moves to texas are they covered >> i don't know the answer >> that confusion and skepticism is a common theme expressed by law enforcement agencies across the state. the laredo police chief says, his officers will not focus on arresting undocumented committed migrants. >> he can be just by seeing somebody and thinking the

officer thinking that he's not from here and then asking for documents, it doesn't work like that. >> the sheriff in san antonio says he would require deputies to file a report explaining the circumstances of an undocumented migrants arrest we don't want a deputy that thinks that they have authorities that actually don't exist crossing the line over into racial profiling and getting themselves and the agency in a whole >> lot of trouble for again, a misdemeanor in el paso sheriff's officials say they don't have the manpower and don't want their deputies thrust into a fight between texas republican leaders and the biden administration >> this issue could quickly exhaust those resources for our community and cause extended response times, absences in patrolling areas >> and 11 or joins us from el paso, texas and would have officials in mexico said about this well, that's the next level of all this, anderson and not only is it chaotic and

confusing for local law enforcement officials here in texas, but part of this law says that judges can deport migrants to mexico, but mexican officials are saying and have been saying for some time that they will not accept migrants, that texas sends back. remember, it's not all just migrants from mexico, that come here. mexico is essentially saying, we don't have to accept chinese migrants or venezuelan are cuban or haitian migrants that's another layer. i really kinda cloud is a very chaotic, even more confusing situation. >> added lemon, eric, thanks very much. or senior data reporter harry enten joined us now, let's talk about voters and immigration. where does that stand in terms of? importance? >> it's number one basically, and the trend line has been absolutely tremendous. i've watched it over the last six months. if you go back to the end of summer last year, less than 10% of americans said that the top problem in this country, the nation's top problem, was immigration. and we've seen that rise steadily to now, we're last month, it was 28% americans. and if you go back and gallup polling over

the last 40 years, at no point did more americans say that immigration was the top issue than are at this particular point. and it makes sense given the border crossings being in an all time high by the end of last year, that american scene would be responding in a way that they simply put never had before him. and who does get more credit for the job they would do on immigration? >> yes. so obviously we have a presidential race coming up and this is obviously become a political football right? and this is one of the trend lines that i think really tells the story that's the difference between this election and the 2020 election. so if you ask voters, who do you think would do a better job? handling border security and immigration? what do we see? we see that back in 2020, it was basically a dead even split, right? joe biden was slightly favor, but not overwhelmingly. and of course he's slightly won the election, not overwhelmingly. so look at where we are today in a market university law school, paul, that was put out last month. look at that advantage that joe biden has on excuse me, that donald trump has on immigration

and border security. it's near 30 points. this is a tremendous change that's going on and it's no wonder that donald trump is running on immigration and these not just running on it in a republican primary. he is running on in the general election. and i also think that's why there hasn't been quite the backlash that you might expect over trump's comments, some of which i of course wouldn't make and it's because that voters at this particular point are quite concerned about immigration and they trust donald trump on this particular emperors, but is >> been according >> latino voters in the southwest. where does he stand? >> yes. so you might think, you know that hispanic voters might be the types of folks who would have a backlash against donald trump's remarks, write, ain't the case. if you ask hispanic voters, who do they trust more on border security and immigration overwhelmingly, they trust donald trump more by a tremendous margin. look at that 49% to 24% and is in line with what we're seeing in the polls in general amongst hispanics, right? joe biden won them overwhelmingly back in 2021 and by over 20 percentage points, democrats normally

carry them overwhelmingly. if you look at the polling right now on an average, appalling amongst hispanic voters, who did they choose in the ballot test, it's barely biden about biden by about two points. it would be the smallest march for any democratic candidate among hispanic voters basically throughout history since we started pulling the gosh darn thing. so the fact is that this point, there's no backlash. and at this point, i don't see one coming. >> stone and harry enten, thank you very much you know, sometimes coming up over winfrey lens, her star power and our own personal story, the ongoing conversation about weight loss drugs and a new interview on cnn tonight details next >> did you not turbotax now provide you with the tax expert who will do your taxes from start to finish, try turbotax life full service. your full expert will do your taxes for you as soon as today, plus, they'll only sign and file when they know it's 100% correct. and you're getting the best outcome possible for a tax expert who will do your taxes from start to finish, try

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obesity is a disease far outweigh to me any criticism that i receive for doing it. and also, people no longer blaming themselves for something that you cannot control in your brain. when the dr. said on that show that it's like holding your breath underwater and trying not to rise to me that is the greatest metaphor because all these years i realized that's what i've been doing. you go on the diet, you're trying not to rise and then you rise again and you can't even understand why. and before you know it, you're ten pounds, 20 pounds, 30 pounds, and all of us have done this. who have this as an issue. you had your limit yeah. yeah. i have my limit. i'm not going to go over a certain number. then you go over that number, then you say i'm not gonna go over five pounds over that >> and >> to know that you're always going to go back because if you have the propensity for it, if you carry the marker for it, that's what's going to happen in your body. and somebody else's body, it may be different i'm the one thing i wanted that's what i think is

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that's what people have at home and they give themselves injections typically once a week >> what what the drug does is seven for all things, one of the things to this point about the brain is that it does seem to affect what is known as the satiation center of the brain. that's an area of the brain that's right in the middle over here. so it makes you feel full. you eat, you feel full. that's what should happen but for some people, they just don't get that feeling of satiation they don't get that post meal sort of feeling of fullness. they continue to have this sort of food who chatter as it's been described to me, a term that i didn't know, but they're constantly thinking about food. and that's what this drug seems to be able to target. it allows people to feel full after a meal. and it also slows down to some extent, their intestines as well. so that feeling of fullness stays even longer. >> so who exactly might be a good fit for these drugs? >> yeah so they've got really specific criteria and going to put some of this up on the screen here, and i'll preface by saying this. we've talked a lot about bmi body mass index,

but it is a pretty blunt tool they say a bmi of over 30 that would qualify you for this. i don't know if you knew this anderson, but bmi, actually was something that was first developed 200 years ago primarily in european soldiers so men primarily not really that relevant to today. today's day and age. so a lot of people have problem with the bmi measurement. but if you use that about 42% of the nation would qualify based on bmi alone they also let's say people who have a bmi of 27 plus some other condition be at heart disease or diabetes, or high blood pressure or something like that. so there's a lot of people who would qualify. i will say there's a lot of people we're taking either ozempic or this is majora. this is again a similar sort of pen you inject yourself at home who, who frankly don't qualify for this. and that's problematic because there has been an acute shortages of these drugs for people who actually do qualify,

they have a hard time actually getting a hold of these drugs and there may be significant side effects. maybe even more so in people who are doing this, who don't fit those bmi criteria. >> so let's talk about side effects and how serious can they being would a person stay on these drugs forever or i mean, can you have them >> well, you know, we're still learning some of some of these drugs have iterations have been around for a long time, 20 years, even for some of the ozempic's type of drugs but not in the numbers that we're seeing now. so as you start to increase the population of people who are taking that, you're going to see different sorts of side effects. a lot of them focused on gi type symptoms. people may feel constipated, they may have nausea. they're vomiting stomach paralysis. it can be more serious. people can develop pancreatitis as well. and again, talking to obesity doctors, they say that the likelihood of these sorts of side effects seem to be amplified. and people who are taking it more for vanity reasons other than for really needing it because of bmi. i

will say this a lot of weight-loss also seems to come from the loss of lean muscle mass. so especially for older people who might already have a diminished muscle mass. this can be problematic you're losing your weight because you're losing muscle. in addition to fat. and that's a problem. the second question you asked in terms of d need to be on it for your entire life. i wanted to pull this graph just just to show you. this is a particular drug. this is the mounjaro type drug what they found if we can put up that graph is that basically in 36 weeks, about eight or nine once you lose about 20% of your body weight, that's a lot. i mean, think about that 20% of your body weight you can do the math on that. but at that, see that vertical line in there, they kept certain people on mounjaro. you see the way continues to go down and then plateaus. but they gave up placebo to the other group and people started to gain the weight back and within a year, so they gained at least half the way back. so what does that mean? again, we don't know,

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>> a new twist. and in the drama surrounding catherine the princess of wales, now the hospital where she underwent abdominal surgery recovered for nearly two weeks is the center of a scandal over her medical privacy seen as max foster has details >> another day another princess headline, this one alleging medical staff tried to illegally access that's how records while she was there to undergo surgery at this private london clinic. the country's data watchdog now says it's assessing a breach of confidentiality reported in the daily mirror, the british tabloid reported that at least one hospital staffer allegedly tried to illegally access kate's private but medical records while she spent 13 nights at the london clinic hospital in january after planned abdominal surgery the mirror says the hospital in form from the palace and launched a probe into the allegations and did a statement to cnn, the uk's information commissioner's office said, we

can confirm that we've received a breach report. and are assessing the information provided on wednesday, the uk's health minister, maria caulfield warn that hospital staff face prosecution or any allowed to access the patient notes you're caring for with their permission and there's really strict rules. information commissioner would take enforcement action against trusts or primary care practices, but also as individual practitioners, your regulatory body. so for me, it would be the nmc would take action as well. so it's pretty severe it's another blow for the princess and the palace. that's being protecting her privacy fiercely during her recovery they release minimal information which has sparked wild well speculation about her true condition and whereabouts wherever she is, i hope she's fine and well, i think that there are a lot more pressing things that people should be putting their attention on tuesday, another uk newspaper, the sun, published a video taken by a member of the public

showing a smiling kate walking from a >> farm shop alongside her husband, prince william kensington palace has referred or questions over the hospital breach to the london clinic in a statement, the ceo of the hospital, russell said in the case of any breach or appropriate investigators regulatory, and disciplinary steps will be taken. there's no place at our hospital for those who intentionally breach the trust of any of our patients or colleagues so the hospital is investigating. so is the information watchdog and the government wants answers. the princess of wales will simply want to know whether or not the reason she went into hospital, the underlying illness will remain secret as she wished. addison. >> thanks very much. now, a quick update on a story bronchi last night, the israeli supreme court has issued a temporary injunction that'll let a group of about two dozen palette australian hospital patients being treated in israel, including infants and their moms, as well as cancer patients