there'll be city drug and the diabetes drug our call something different is because your insurance pays for the diabetes drugs. if you have diabetes, it does not pay for the weight loss version of that drug. so nobody's taking drugs away from it. anybody else or medications away from anybody else because there is specifically an obesity medication. i think if you feel like being in a bigger body is great and you don't want to do anything about that and you feel fine. that is beautiful. i really admire people who really believe that. >> and >> i also feel like if you think, if you can work out and work out and i'm like you, charles, i couldn't work out anymore. i mean, like i can't climb any faster or run any faster i can't eat. that was down eaten one meal a day there's nothing else again do well, you can watch the entire conversation with gayle charles and oprah on king charles. thanks for joining us. king

charles starts now thank you. okay. mr. barking >> has no walk in i'm not. >> going. to waste your time. nope. >> with gayle king but you can call me gail and charles barkley told tonight the one and only oprah winfrey nba commissioner adam silver a grammy winning artists. will john king charles starts now >> going >> all right >> welcome. welcome. >> we have an absolutely packed shows and i'm very excited. first, i want you all to know it's the first day of spring, charles, i can tell oh, you're right because i wore yellow. that's right. >> yellow is my favorite color is just springtime and the suit is from a company called favorite daughter. and so they

didn't have my size, so they overnight it it to me i said i really need it because i want to wear it for king charles. and they sent me a thing and said, oh, my god, you're interviewing king charles. i hear that he's ill. i hope he's going to be all right. >> and i said, i'm fine. bob, can you i said no, not that king charles charles barkley. they go, oh, we think he's great too. so you're okay, right? >> hey, have you talk to king charles, that's my can we put kate some real pictures out? >> hello. >> kitty, loved >> people know you're fine. >> i'm fine. you her son has happened to be no, no, no, it's charles barkley. anyway, march madness is here. the nba playoffs. basketball's my face the report are barreling toward us basketball is booming right now. we're very excited because we have nba commissioner. he is one of the best human beings on the planet. what's his name, charles, adam silver talking about he is an amazing person, really great commissioner, ease. >> all of that. he's in the building tonight and super producer and grammy-winning artist littlejohn yeah okay.

okay. >> they used to call him the king of kroenke, but now guess what he's got a meditation album out. he's going to tell us the story behind that is quite a story, but first really, really psyched about this fresh offer, abc special was called shame blame and the weight revolution. we cannot wait to bring in our first guess. we know her very well. oprah, there's only one as in winfrey& in case you missed it, the specialist monday night, here's a very quick clip we're you all surprised in your practices when people started losing weight? >> yeah. i mean, i think we have we've already been using other medications for the last 1020 years, but these were just a little bit more effective. i mean, we hadn't seen a 1020 years for diabetes, for, for obesity. >> we went when you know i think i go to the clean. nobody told me doing this. we're 20

years jeanne, are wasn't mainstream that we didn't have tiktok. that was our problem >> we are very happy to say that oprah is joining us tonight. hey, oprah really glad you're here. hello. >> hey, gail hey. >> hey baby >> oprah. i just want to say this. i just wanted to thank you for the special because i started again the hundred pounds there's so many different ways to lose weight. there's no shoe size that fits all. but i gained 105 pounds when i got my hips and a friend of mine says, you man, i want you to go to this dr. because i can't unless and workout enough to lose 100 pounds and he says, try this drug. and i started taking mounjaro and i've lost 65 pounds i started my journey at 355 pounds. i played a 250 and i started taking on gyro and i've lost

i'm down to 285 let me tell you something. i couldn't work out enough. i just want to thank you for shanon, the light. i think what you did was fabulous. and shout out to my dr. dr. jackie pearson, i want to get a p at pearson. dr. jackie, but menn i just wanted to thank you. for shone a light on some business. everybody can't be skinny. everybody can't work out enough. >> everybody doesn't want to be skinny. >> yes, exactly right. everybody doesn't want to be skinny, >> but oprah, the reason why i'm so so excited to have you are because everywhere i go, people are stopping me saying i'm so glad overdo this special. listen, i know you thought long and hard about doing it. so now that it's been a couple of days out, i'm wondering the reaction you're getting and how you're feeling about it >> well, my most greatest reward thank you for saying that charles, the greatest reward, has come from people like charles and actually a young man who let me know that he started tearing up watching

that special from the very beginning, you know, for it's interesting to me because being a woman all these years and having suffered myself up and down yo-yoing, i never think about the menn because i always thought men retreated differently. charles, i always thought, if you're overweight and you're a guy, if you're 100 pounds overweight and your guy, you're not going to be ostracized the same way that me being overweight or women being overweight, 100 pounds, 105 pounds. and so i think to hear from so many men who also feel a sense of freedom and liberation to now make a choice that they feel is healthier for them has been the most rewarding for me. for me, you know, i was debating whether to do it or not because, you know, you get trolled for everything and everybody has something to say about it but the risks, the benefit of people. finally, recognizing that obesity is a disease, far outweigh to me any criticism that i receive for doing it. and also, people no

longer blaming themselves for something that you cannot control in your brain when the dr. said on that show that it's like holding your breath underwater and trying not to rise to me that is the greatest metaphor because all these years i realized that's what i've been doing. you go on the diet, you're trying not to rise and then you rise again and you can't even understand why. and before you know it, you're ten pounds, 20 pounds, 30 pounds, and all of us have done this. who have this as an issue? you have your limit yeah. yeah. i have my limit. i'm not going to go over a certain number. then you go over that number, then you say i'm not going to go over five pounds over that >> and >> to know that you're always going to go back. because if you have the propensity for it, if you carry the marker for that's what's going to happen in your body. in somebody else's body, it may be different the one thing i wanted that's what i think is so important that i think for a lot of people, they didn't realize it. it's thing with the brain. >> i pulled some of the

comments. i'm a smart person. why can't i figure this out? somebody said, we've been blamed this whole time for being lazy gluttonous, and on discipline, it wasn't our stomach, it was our brain. i got the wake-up call and i think that you should talk about that you've made the show analogy to alcoholism in the spectrum of what it is yeah. >> that to me >> yeah. >> well, years ago as you know, gil and the oprah show in late '80s, early 90s, we were doing a lot of shows about but alcoholism and people were saying, then the same thing, they're saying now, just put the food down. they were saying just put the bottle down because nobody understood that for some people, not everybody who drink are over drinks becomes an alcoholic. but if you carry the marker or the gene that has, that allows alcoholism to flourish with you. you, you, you then develop alcoholism not everybody who over drinks because i can drink. you're under the table and not and not now. she's not

lying i can i think kayla, anyone? yes. >> get out tequila, almost anybody. and it's not an issue for me, but i can't if i'm doing the same thing with donuts or, you fatty things, i up until this christmas every christmas of my life, against seven to eight pounds and so to be able to have people understand. so i had three goals. number one, people understand obesity is a disease ease. and so stop blaming yourself for something that's dan, your brain stop shaming yourself and other people for that? and also to explain what the drugs actually do. so i want to say this because we taped an hour and 14 minutes extra and had to cut that out. and so it was really important for me, for people to understand all the people who are saying that people like myself and you, charles, are taking this medicine from other people. we are not because there are there zepbound, there's mounjaro there's with

goldie, there's ozempic. so both companies that we had on produce a medications that are just for obesity. and the reason why obesity and the obesity drug and the diabetes drug are called something different is because your insurance pays for the diabetes drugs. if you have i've diabetes, it does not pay for the weight version of that drug. so nobody's taking drugs away from anybody else or medications away from anybody else because there is specifically and obesity medication but first of all over oprah i just want to say you you know, are already love you. i love you more because we can go out and drink tequila. tequila anytime i go out with this woman, she don't even drink. yes, he is no fun. what? >> no. listen that last big party we were at, i swear she asked for a shirley temple feature to put a cherry in that. i mean, it has no qualms

it's about no i don't listen. >> we were at tina >> turner's wedding and she milk. okay okay. >> because i like milk with my cake. but charles, you were saying no to talk about though. i want to talk about, you know, what five yes. >> told me she says chuck, no fellow people. yeah. >> and she says, if you don't get in shape, he says, there that's fed older people, but they got a lot of health risks and things like that. and i says, i'm at the time when i started, i was like 60 years old. i says i can't lose 100 pounds, and system as sitting unless i star myself to delve and don't do anything. and i she says, a friend of mine be dark and had lost a bunch of weight as do what happened. he says i'm taking one row and i went dr. appears sunday at all. the vitals and you want to make sure because you need that. we

don't tell people you just don't want to just go to any which doctrine start taking stuff. they did all the vitals, check my heart and check my blood and make sure everything was good. >> you hesitant? to take it? >> no, because i know i want to be here. >> i don't know how it went. charles was telling us in high school he was known >> as the fat kid in high school. his email, by the way, is fat. i hate that. that's now that's a whole another issue. there's email is fat. whatever whatever i want that is, email gayle know about, as you know, i didn't i just said it's back, you don't know what? the rest of it is. i'm just saying i don't like that it out. >> good >> but >> job. you get my email. i don't know. so telophase charles, let's get back to you because i'm thinking that here you sit today and you've taken the drug. i was wondering if you struggled with it your whole life. i was curious about that. and if you felt self-conscious about your weight because when we see you,

you're charles barkley, your full of confidence. gil? yeah. >> don't get over, you know what i'm saying? >> no she felt he was paying things. i'm not gonna speak for all big people and you can say, i'm not worried about my weight. i'm good. i'm good looking. i'm this. i don't ever want to fetch shame antibody because it's a personal decision. what you do with your body but it's not healthy it's not healthy when i was walking around at 355 pounds and then when like when i lost the first 30 pounds, i'm like, whoa my bag don't hurt. my knees, don't hurt. i can actually because i actually had to call it clearly had to start working out. and i'm like menn, i can work out but i tell anybody, hey, listen, we all got to make our own personal decision. but being overweight is not healthy, it's not healthy for you. but as you sit here

>> today, you said you have trouble getting the drug over when you said people can get it, you said your daughter. >> well, can't get it. can't get it because i've actually did you say your name was charles bar? i did >> a lot of people here live today all on the drug. they just don't want admit it. i know shame and taking drugs. it had taken me happy to lose weight. you do it. so i got down. i was 285. i started at 03:55 i've actually gained 12 pounds back because i haven't had mounjaro and like four months. wow, i'm working out but ganim pounds like the same as gain and 60 i agree. so i'm hoping at some point that i can get back on the drug because i want to get to to 70. i played in my heyday at 02:50 i want to get to to 70. my docker. we'd like this a good, healthy weight for you. i don't have to worry. hopefully, you know, because, you know, you got a lot of stuff going on in your body that obesity is not good for like i said, i want i don't care what it takes. i don't hold grudges. can anybody you know, i've had

people got the stomach staple. they've did the bear acting thing and there's a lot of different ways. like we talked about earlier hey, everybody on where the same size shoes, you whatever makes you feel better. >> that's what i liked. what you said at the end of this special oprah, listen, it isn't one size fits all you have to figure out what works best for you and we need to stop blaming and criticizing and judges during each other. i thought that was a point you were making >> i think if you feel like being in a bigger body is great and you don't want to do anything about that and you feel fine that is beautiful. i really admire people who really believed that >> and i >> also feel like if you think, if you can work out and work out and i'm like you, charles, i couldn't work out anymore. i mean, like i can't climb any faster or run any faster. i can't eat. >> that was down to eat one meal but there's nothing else i can do so if whatever works for you, i think we one of the reasons i wanted to do it is to that let people make their own choices for their health and

well-being so, and also to just let people no, because there's so many people in all these places where there are food deserts. the next big special or conversation is going to be about costs because i want to know why the people in canada are paying $250 and people in united states, some parts are paying $1,000 a month. some people are paying 2000. so >> they're saying, wait, wait, they're playing to fit paying 250 and canada for the same thing for the same thing, for the same thing? >> yes. yes. i talked to a guy who was paying 250 for the same thing and nobody can explain to me why they're paying less than everybody else in the country. so first of all, i think the insurance companies have to have to start to recognize that obesity is a disease. the cdc says that the american medical association says that the world health organization says it association of pediatrics says it. >> all >> agree that 2013 obesity since 2013, that's been declared a disease. if that is the case, then those drugs need

to be covered by insurance company. that's what i think >> you know, obviously, and i hope i don't anybody out, but i'm just it's a serious means you're going people in a black community, in a black community health care obesity, they are real issues why are we so why are we so afraid to address health and obesity and the black community? >> you're asking me that question >> it's all three people all here. yoda smartest one out of the listen, i'm not even going to be as saying i'm not even going to be rescued me that question, but >> i think to say that this is a thing, i think that a lot of people first of all, we're not aware of what these medications can actually do because i just got four days ago an email from

a cousin who said asking me, did i want to go on a carb sugar fast with her for 21 days and i'm like, hey, you know, that is not the answer. let me talk to you about something else that might be more helpful to you. so i think that in a lot of places in the united states still because y'all in new york, east coast, west coast, all those people had access to the medications are a lot of people in the other parts of our country who weren't even aware of what's available and what is not available. so i think getting exposure in those places where people do not have access because that's the, that's the next big conversation access to people who don't have it. that means black people and brown people and underserved communities. and also getting the cost down so that more people can afford it. and have the availability the to improve their health. that's the goal

>> all right. oprah, we thank you. and maybe you can help charles barkley because clearly he he's having trouble getting some open those people going out drinking without without to >> hey, charles. charles stickman doesn't drink either >> what in the world, >> what the world coming to for kayla doesn't drink hey, it's a kayla's only you break. so all these yeah. okay. tequila zone, you always years. i've been hanging out with stemming and gail. i'm the only one drink and ever hey, email me if you got it >> from oprah. thank you. and for those of you, thanks a lot. oprah. thank you >> bye. bye. hi. for those of you who missed >> oprah special, you can see it on hulu. it's running now. charles and i both highly >> recommend you go to who moves suppressors, unbelievable >> we've got a lot lot more to get to tonight, including nba commissioner. i just adore him. his name is adam silver charles. >> you have anything you want to talk to the commissioner

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a couple of charts out there too. >> we >> welcome you back less than a month left before the nba regular season ends in the playoffs began, one of the best times of the year, which means it's a perfect time to talk to a man. he even knew charles barkley would be here and he came anyway nba commissioner adam silver, we welcome you out. him. it's always good to see you. >> thank you. could i already time? can i ask you a question before we talk about because i watched that last segment. honestly, i don't understand why you can't get get that drug anymore. >> it was called, i think, interesting, but so, but everybody's now so why can't you get it? >> well, because i think you have to keep raising your prescription and i think i'm at a level that that's probably they probably make the least of it. that's just my own observation. but i'm a tell you i'm going to stay on its i get to to because i just want to be number one alive. but what i want to be healthy >> and again, >> at 100 pounds is not helping anybody. like i said, i'm going to lose at and say, i feel really good. but but i was surprised to add on there, he can't get it. i

>> was and honestly, i've known you for over 30 years since playing in the league. and you look great. whatever you do. >> this and i tell people, let's say you, we all get to make around decision number, how we want to look at shame. fat people, whatever, whatever. but i just feel so much better physically but also because we almost had to mentally. yes. yes. yes >> mentally because everybody say, why feel good. even though i'm big, i did not. i know, man. i feel so much better mentally i mean, i'm always getting to the point where i can walk around the house naked >> oh, i don't know. >> my eyes to head him that person perfect. exactly >> so we talked to the commissioner >> yeah. okay. >> so this is this is almost the best time of the year for basketball we've got where we start march madness tomorrow. and then we go rather than being plows, you gotta be excited. i wrote down a couple

of names. shai gilgeous-alexand er anthony edwards obviously luca, stef and lebron have character league. the last 1015 years. but two gotta be excited by somebody, a young guys going into a playoff this year yeah. >> i'm glad you mentioned those two. shai guilty and anthony edwards because oklahoma city and minnesota, those teams are up and coming. i feel like luka doncic, some of the other young players, yeah, giannis obviously mothers are getting a lot of attention. those guys for people who loved the league to tune into their games because they're just now, i think breaking through. i mean, people in the basketball community know them, but i think casual fans are starting to realize with those guys are and you're right, that next-generation, there's a group international players, a group of us players who are off the charts. and that's what's so great about it. this game that, from, that's who you were. obviously when you play it and then when charles retired and mike retired, people said what's going to happen next and then they just come up and what's so incredible now about what's happening let me i mean, i think you were on the dream team of course, 1992. and that

was the turning point, right of the international game. those guys coming over to where we are now, where we're getting close to 30% of the league or players born outside night, outside the united states. the last 5%, 30%, last five mvps, players born outside the united states and we have players now from roughly 40 he five different countries in the league. so it's truly global game, but honestly, thanks to charles and that group and you and i remember same generation at that barcelona olympics in 1992, it's right when i joined the league that was the turning point, i think for global basketball. and so thank you. >> thank it's been a blessing. in our law, basketball. this given me every single thing in my life. now grew up in a small town in alabama and now i'm sitting up in new york city with the commission and gayle king. so hello basketball for that reason one of suggestions in the all-star game didn't go well as being kind of fluid to

last three years. >> see, i thought it went well and then i came back to work i thought it was a great time because, you know, i love that event draws closer. i didn't think it went well. i did. >> well, it wasn't a appease into the fans. have you ever considered the united states against world? >> well, no, it's true in speaking of barcelona. so we thought a lot about that. and i think are feeling going into indiana for the all-star game this year? we're? obviously, both. there was we had one more opportunity to go in essence back to basketball that larry bird was sort of our honorary captain. you think of basketball larry bird, indiana. we'd gone back to the traditional east vs west format. we'd move away from that draft were doing last several years, we have done those kinda special endings. so we went back to 40 minute game. we talked two players before the game, and you're right. i mean, i had fun. i think fans had fun where we can play. it was great weekend, but it wasn't a basketball game and had i not seen what happened this year, i think we are ready

to do us versus international. i'm just wondering now, it's a good conversation to have whether this generation of players and even the teams are complicit as two because nobody wants them to play hard and get hurt. nobody what's going to hurt? they see it as a mid-season break. i think of something that was a huge attraction, for example sabrina, again, steph curry now that would be my face. i mean, it says there's so much about the game. i think again, our generation billie jean king, bobby rigueur. what was the battle of the sexes? this was the opposite. this was a sabrina said, just too great shooters floor. so i think maybe as opposed to trying to create a super competitive basketball game, which i'm not sure the teams are the players really wanted was that moment i think to do more to it? well, you know, essentially i've talked to untrue. you have to i talk to a lot of players after the game and it wasn't i didn't get the sense that they went out there and said, well we know what the league wants, so we know they want us to tnt wants us to play hard, but we're just not going to do it. i think it's just sort of once

they got out there, i think particularly young players, they see it as again, a mid-season break and opportunity fund, an opportunity to take break from a very long season. i mean, we roughly have 1,300 games over the course of your all incredibly competitive games. and i think they he see that as something different. they see it. i mean, there's always an entertainment aspect to our league. and i think it's shifted from when you were player. and i think to the point where when i saw the popularity of stuff the first sabrina see what's happening, the woman's game that wish just be looking to do different things and just make it a celebration of basketball. i mean, we're going to look at us versus international. i just think maybe it would pass that point where we're going to play a truly competitive game. by the way, it's happened in other sports. >> the players aren't into it, but that's sabrina of steph curry thing that was such a highlight everybody everybody was engaged in that can't you see that happening again with kaitlan next year? >> well, one, i just think even so sabrina's from the bay area. they also games as here, francis let's go yeah. that's right there. of course. def is there. so i ran in both them

next day, i said, what do you think they're like like game on for next year, but they both they want her best to three, which i thought was really interesting. >> i >> wanted best they were both nervous. i mean, there to the greatest shooters in the world and a lot of pressure when it's one round, sort of you're off a little bit so they want to do it again, but i'm sure we'll be doing integrating some other wnba players. and obviously everybody is excited about kate and coming to the league. and but there's some obviously great talent and there's a lot of nervousness. the tmt espn, where you're partners, an mba we know that the biddings coming up and amazon and apple and nbc are going to make a play you. >> i told gail that's it. you technically work for the owners, but you've been very friendly to the players. >> how do >> you balance that when you're trying to negotiate a new television da like, i want to make my owners happen because both sides happy. you mean like

which is impossible? is it out or you just that well, first of all, in terms of owners and players, i mean, i think we have a great partnership. >> we >> have for years frankly, when i'm sitting down and talk about television media that i wouldn't be doing my job, but i didn't think fans first. okay. i mean, there are consumers. if we don't find a way to present our game on networks where people can find and presented in a place where they produce it the way you and your colleagues do at tnt great job that espn does. people aren't going to watch it. so it has, so the players in the owners are partnership. how our cap system works is that an essence, a revenue sharing system? and it's a fantastic model because everybody's incentive, in essence, it's a 50, 50 split. but as i say, the players and to my bosses who are the owners that there's so much competition these days and media, i mean, just think of what's going on at tnt in terms of changes in table, what's happening at cnn and everything is moving digitally. so as we're looking at the

next decade, we've got to think about how we're going to produce some present are games in a way where they're going to be easily accessible because look, a lot of people you must talk to fans all time. i don't get cable and they feast on social media and our players are incredibly popular there. but it's not a substitute for watching live games. and the thing that really excites me it, there has been a lot of talk about games in essence being ported over to digital platforms. and you saw with nfl, with nbc and peacock, amazon has games now too. but in essence, they're still the same games, the same feat of the game was really exciting to me as he moved these digital platforms, it creates opportunities to do things unimaginable before or in traditional television. i mean, frankly, for people who do want to bet and you talk about that, you can do that if you want nothing to do with it. that's fine for people who want to buy the shoes, the players are wearing jerseys, are wearing who people want to be part of a larger community for people who want different languages, different dialects for people who want to listen to commentary from charles, not just during the break, but

throughout the game, or people want mike brain to be doing play by play, or just to hear a group of people who are just fans having fun watching the game. so i think production is going to change dramatically over the next several years. and the other part about our game being global i mean, even now, 75% of our viewership comes from outside the united states and these platt isn't that incredible. and these isn't that what, whether it's whether it's max your company or whether it's netflix or espn plus going global. we're really unique sport and that we have fans all over the world were distributed to 215 countries and territories now, but it's not always so accessible when your network to network, think of where netflix is growing on a global basis. and i think 260 million subscribers. and most of that growth now coming globally. so we're at a really interesting time from immediate. so >> i'm a mole, not as old as gil i remember i'm not even

fed. no, i remember vividly when the first time in nba player made $1 i'm talking to dr. jay. most maurice cheeks, and andrew tone and i was walking around hi, five on each other. we couldn't believe that an nba player made $1 now the average salary is like right around 10 million it's, is there a ceiling or breaking point what it's like first of all, god bless all these guys make combust monday they want to, but you don't begrudge that? i do not regret it out, but yeah we're like we're going to have guy's making at 90 million a year coming up soon i want to know how the fans view concerning said, but how to fans are going to rack to nba player making $9 million a year. >> also up the gambling conversation when you see people making that much money and fans being able to just begin with the money for the players. yeah, they're the same

before it's a revenue sharing system between the teams and the players. so as we generate more revenue, players make more money. so i remember as a kid to even long before 1 million and grew up in new york as the yankee fan and people i can't believe players can make 200,000.300 thousand so they're entertainers. i don't think any more than fans per grudge beyonce or taylor swift i mean, to me, if you're generating the interest from the fans, you deserve to make what the market will bear at the same time whether it's the, the owners of the teams or the people producing the games. there's, as i'm constantly reminding the players, but it requires a whole ecosystem to support you. i mean, sometimes here's the analogy. it's like when you watch a movie and their, the stars you see on the screen. but then you could sit there for 15 minutes and watching the credits. yeah. because all those people are necessary and that's kind of like the nba. there's tens of thousands of

people who are employed by the league and the teams and the related businesses all to produce this game. so to the extent that interests continues to grow and i think basketball is the fastest-growing sport in the world and we're unique in terms of the nba and be in terms of global appeal, that there's no reason player salaries shouldn't continue to grow. and i think that's healthy. and again, in turn will like that. but i also think in terms of what fans think, again, do people begrudge taylor swift or beyonce jay-z, or any great entertainer or by the way, you earning a nice living two i'm just saying like, i guess you're earning know, but i think i think he's trying to give and i just think that people, you know, and people respect these the thing about nba players that's gonna, you were mentioning some earlier. they have unique talent on the planet. and when you have unique talent out of 8 billion people on the planet, you're gonna be able to command outsides, outside salaries. i think what bothers people? back to the all-star game and this

troubles me as well and it sort of breaks down generationally >> i think >> i accept responsibility as the commissioner league. i think we should have known at this zero point for an all-star game as i started to say before, the nfl pro bowl moved to flag football, there's just a recognition. it's a different time. but when you put those players out there and all-star game and it doesn't look like they're giving full effort. i don't think fans would've cared whether they're making 1 million or 10 million are 30 million, they're like, they're disappointed, they want to see a good day. and i think the worst part is like talking to players both before the game and after they know that to their smart guys. but it's kind of, it's just they're sort of all looking at each other and it's just not happening, which is why we got to the league night in, night out is so competitive yeah. were you start to ask me for were heading towards the playoffs now, last year with like two weeks to go, we still have something like 26 out of 30 teams were still competing for playoffs. both. >> i mean, look, >> what's happening in college basketball now, like to me, you have tonight, you have on other networks you have the play in

for the college dorm is on tonight. i'm one of your networks. you have you have nba games on espn tonight. there's so much interest in the college but there's more parody in college than ever before. yeah, i mean, i love what's happening around basketball and it's growing sport. and there continues to be so much opportunity >> i still love this this sport there. >> you mentioned taylor swift. i just have to say this when she blew up the nfl in ways that they couldn't even totally anticipate. was there a small part of you, adam that thought god, i wish he was dating oh wasn't there a small part of you that thought that a big part. >> oh, thank you. mr. >> thanks. >> thanks. thank you >> when we come i'm back. when we come back littlejohn will join us onset. he's now doing guided meditations and he's great. we'll be right back >> thank you, adam yes that. was

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>> never gets hold. never gets >> that's a john performing turned out for what at the super bowl with osha, you all remember that? that performance catapulted one of his classes? yes yeah. >> yeah >> the top of two built-in you go to a billboard charts last month, 20 years after its release. >> oh okay. >> for you, before we get serious for a second what type of pressure that you feel foot like. it's the super bowl is to win up there with the oscars dare to two moos wants to bets and the world that you feel pressure i don't ever get nervous because i'm manifesting. what's going to happen when it goes right and

all the great things that are going to happen afterwards. so for me, nervousness turns into, when i killed a show all of these good things are gonna happen, okay? and so i was like an athlete on the sideline waiting for my turn to go out. i was literally like here, but let me take it out and just hey didn't kill it. >> has a job, did kill it. like when the games get bigger and whatever, like, you're a nervous, scared, you're ready for it to happen, but you feel the type of way i did not. i never thought i'd be known stages with hundreds of thousands of people somebody going to be nervous with me. we company here to do the job that's because because he's ready, but now listen to what little john is doing now, the human party starter man, once known as the king of kroenke, sounds like this hey it's low,

john >> i'd like to welcome you >> to total >> meditation that is laughing, this is serious >> he used to tell you to shake it like >> a salt shaker, but now he's guiding you to peace and calm with his new album, total meditation. we want you to welcome again, music superstar super producer. we're going to call you serenity guru, little john, because littlejohn before the show went out, we were out in the streets starting to people did you know he's doing a total meditation album. people said, no, i can understand, i can understand it. >> but it really does work, right. so why did you decide at this stage in your career that you were going to you do this because you seem like the most unlikely person that doesn't surprise you. that's the reaction. >> well, yeah, it doesn't surprise me, but i mean, um, i was turning 50 years though lot of things going on in my life, a lot of life changes, health issues you have to go get that

colonoscopy. >> yeah. you're worried about your health. >> say it proudly. yeah. yeah, health is wealth. health is everything you want to be here for a long i'll time just like charles was saying earlier. >> right so >> the meditation was something i started to do to help me deal with the issue that i was dealing with in my life. and it gave me some right? yes. personnel, personal issues. they gave me some peace, some communists in a calm my mind and it changed my my way of thinking and so around that time i met kabir sago, who is the producer. they album, and it was like perfect time. and because i was already really diving into this meditation space meditating every day and we put together this album with a bunch of more albums that are not released yet, but we put together this and it was great because it was once it was done like before it was done and i was just going about my life. i was feeling like i was supposed to be doing something and i

didn't know what it was that i was supposed to be doing. and then after we finished the album i thought about and i was like, i'm supposed to be helping people. >> but were you reluctant to do it? did you get support in the community for doing this? but nobody >> knew nobody this two years ago and it was just timing was right to put it out after super bowl, we have been sitting on it. we have been trying to find a place for the album to come out. and we found a home with a tiger turn and bmg. and it was perfect timing and here it is. >> so why do you think we we, we as black people? i'm all we never go to the dr. until it's too late. >> hawaii. we afraid to talk about mental health and our community. >> i think is the way we've been raised. and i think generations of black folks, you know, have just been taught. so just like just man up, get over it, deal with it. like ubi, you

know, instead of addressing the issues and moving forward, we just kinda put them in a closet and never deal with it. and once you deal with it, and you understand your issue, that's how you can get past them and move on. >> but did you have trouble accepting your >> own mental health? the shoes or your own anxiety or whatever you are battling >> know with meditation, you start to have more inner peace and you start to have reflection. and you look in a mirror at yourself and you have to man up and say i was at fault here. are there and i take responsibility. you know, and then it's basically like i just said, you dealing with it, you facing these fears and then you can process them and move on. i just want to say, man we sum that we really needed in a black community i want, i hope you keep coming on so it's talking about it because first

of all, men never talk about anything. but february, the black community that we should go to the dr. get a lot more and talk about our issues. i just wanted to say thank you, man. i hope everything gil was bragging about you all she said he was so awesome i'll be honest show today and i say, i seabed, i can't wait, so thank you. >> thank you. but it's your voice. i >> think what gets me is people are surprised that the guy goes. yeah >> dropped >> okay. i >> can do that. can do that little john how do you say to people that are like me? i can't >> scream all the time i have to talk regular sometimes, so yeah, of course i can do it in of course. i'm a regular person like everybody else i had to to live deal with problems in life to you? no, you don't see it. >> yeah. because i'm the that's important because people think when you're rich and famous you don't have issues. i'm like, yeah, we do exactly. >> thank you, jonathan. thank you >> charles. we'll be right back

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