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chairwoman ronna mcdaniel forced i don't another job 06:00 a.m. here in washington. alive. look at capitol hill on this wednesday morning. morning, everyone, i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. investigators are preparing to board the crippled container ship, but took down baltimore's key bridge. here's what we know at this hour divers looking for survivors pulled from the river, their work deemed to be too dangerous dress to continue because of all the sharp twisted metal underneath the surface the search and rescue operation. now, a recovery mission, six people are missing and presumed dead. their bodies have not been recovered yet based on the length of time that we've gone in this search, the extensive search efforts that we put >> into it, the water temperature that at this point, we do not believe that we're going to find any of these individuals still alive

investigators from the national transportation safety board are expected to board the cargo ship dali at sometime today in an attempt to recover, it's >> recording devices >> we're also >> getting new details, but the ship's safety record, including a deficiency that was recently reported with the vessels propulsion and auxiliary machinery. cnn's gabe cohen has then on the scene of this disastrous since early yesterday morning, good morning to you. what is the latest on the investigation >> okay so you good morning as you mentioned, those ntsb investigators are expected to board the dali little later this morning and they're gonna be looking, they're going to talk to the crew and they're going to be looking for those recorders or any electronics that they can get their hands on them might tell them why this happened. we understand having spoken with the pilots association that there was basically a total blackout on the ship just before it crashed into the column of that bridge what caused that? we don't know

the pilot tried to regain control of the vessel, drop anchor, but just couldn't do it in time. and we also have learned that the same vessel was held at a port in chile past year because of another propulsion issue. so look, investigators are gonna be trying to piece all of this together. kasie, and that may not happen quickly, but today is the first step. and of course, as you mentioned, that search and rescue effort becomes a search and recovery effort this morning, something so many people were dreading as that frantic and tragic scene played out yesterday to search for those six missing construction workers. now, presumed dead. casey >> all right. are gabe cohen for us who has been on the scene of this since the early hours of yesterday as this all unfolded, gabe, thank you. i really appreciate it. >> joining me now for more >> on the investigation is sienna and transportation analysts, mary schiavo. mary, good morning to you. thanks for being here. >> good morning. thank you. >> so you're the former inspector general at the department of transportation.

you have confronted many a massive transportation crisis in your career can you help us understand what happens next as this turns from a rescue mission to a recovery one >> yes. what happens next is, of course, still they want to recover the remains of those loss, but the investigation gets in engaged full swing today. the ntsb weighted for the coast guard to search the waters for any survivors. and so they had an interviewed the people on the ship are actually hadn't boarded the ship yet to see what the conditions were there and get all the evidence that they can. but today they will do that and that's very important step because ordinarily there the first on the scene there, they're the ones who are responsible for grabs having all the information, getting the information. and this one will of course be a little different than a lot of ntsb investigations that published used to seeing because they have to work with the ministry of transport of singapore,

which is where the ship was flagged, meaning the nation's under which laws that ship sailed. so they have to work with that ministry of transport which acts like the ntsb, an investigations to get the records the safety records, management information to get all the documentation and information they can out of singapore from the ship's headquarters and flagging operation so mary oral pretty familiar with black boxes in the instance of an airplane incident or something like that. what kind of devices are present on a ship like this? and what could we learn from them? >> well, actually they're very similar to the black boxes that are on airplanes commercial transport planes, and on trains and large trucks in the united states. so over the road, truckers now have recorders two, they record in the case of the ship recording, they will record engine and and other control positions. how various

gauges, operations, mechanical controls, and to the extent they have, and they do have some computerized controls on the ship. it will record many of those parameters, but it will also capture vocal recording, audio recording from i'm the ship's bridge. so what the harbor pilots were saying, what others in the ship's bridge we're doing at the time that should be picked up with the vocal recorder like a cockpit voice recorder. >> yeah, really interesting. okay. so the wall street journal is also reporting that people familiar with the investigation are going to look into whether contaminated fuel could have played a role in the ship losing power and crashing is that a possibility mean, what do we know about that >> in any transportation accident, the ntsb and other investigators always take fuel samples and they will take samples of fuel to see if the fuel was contaminated. there's any problem with the fuel in this case since there was not a

fire, the ship didn't sing they will have access to the fuel system and be able to test that and that's pretty routine in a kind of an accident where of fuel, engine, power control is concerned. so they will be able to take fewer samples and see fairly quickly if there was any contamination all right. >> and we should note that of course the ntsb investigation is ongoing and they're likely to board the ship today to start trying to sort through some of these facts very schiavo up for us, mary, thanks very much for time this morning. i really appreciate it. >> thank you >> all right. up next here, donald trump's >> former lawyer facing possible disbarment plus sean diddy combs claiming he's the victim of a witch-hunt and another legal setback for tiktok >> if you work in spaceflight, this is the worst thing that can happen >> space shuttle columbia, final flight for mirror sunday, april 7 at nine and kinda riva

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>> keynesian that do >> welcome back later on today, john eastman, the former trump lawyer, who tried to help the former president overturn the 2020 election facing possible disbarment. eastman is best known as the architect of the plan to hold congress's certification of joe biden's victory. he is one of more than a dozen trump allies to be charged in the georgia election interference case he has pleaded not guilty, was bringing cnn senior at crime and justice reporter, katelyn polantz. our panels also here, david froms, staff writer at the atlantic and cnn political commentators jonah goldberg and ash please. allison are both with us. good morning to all of you, caitlin, you've done some great reporting on this. there has already been a long trial about eastman conduct as a lawyer for trump. what has the judge found in this case and

what's next for him? >> well, there's it's not just a judge >> lawyers really loved of process and you don't say we are three years passed. the events of january 6 >> what >> is happening now is there are layers and layers of process that begin with trials. so john eastman, how to trial previously. and there was a decision that came out of that trial that there was a finding that he had potentially some moral issues that would potentially mean now that decision could be that he will lose his license. that's what's at stake. we're waiting to see what a judge in california that oversees the bar, there, the attorneys that are allowed to practice in that state and elsewhere. that decision is expected today. on john eastman, there's still has to be a little bit more process after that, but the findings that were waiting for after this trial where johnny

spin testified in his own defense about his actions for donald trump that is what's we're seeing the result of that today. and there are not it's not just john eastman who's going through proceedings like this. jeffrey clark is currently in his own attorney discipline trial, started yesterday in washington, dc. rudy giuliani has already been through one and the initial findings were the he should be disbarred. it still has to go so through additional layers and courts would have to certify that, but the community of attorneys that is looking at what attorneys did after the 2020 election for donald trump. they're coming down quite harshly for the lawyers that we're putting false claims in the court system and trying to use things to their advantage. donald trump's advantage in a way that would be dishonest. >> i mean, david from doesn't seem entirely inappropriate. >> we haven't seen a top-down conspiracy against the constitutional order since the 1860s in the united states. and

so a lot of these obviously, it feels new because it's so old and a lot of people are baffled and i think whenever you see someone who's lost, there's a natural humans have dependency of sympathy for them than they were powerful, you feared them, but when they're, when they're weak and defeated, you don't, but we need to keep in mind always we're talking about a top-down conspiracy against the constitutional order led by the president but entered in violence. this is a very serious matter and if it's not punished, it will repeat. >> jonah goldberg. this is what eastman had to say when he was asked whether or not he regrets having worked with trump watch do you regret attaching your name to the former president? none whatsoever. the president calls and ask for representation. i think every citizen in my position would be willing to stand up. we've got to play in the representation so he says he has no regrets. you should he ever gratz >> well luck he's he's in a place where the only people still sending them money, giving them support are people who still love the president.

so as a survival mechanism he's got to stay with the he's got to dance with the people who brought them at this point. and then he's associated with institutions that are also still very trumping. i do think that one of the takeaways from this is that for as much as we all like to beat up on lawyers and as much as we'd like to complain about courts the judicial branch, and the legal establishment generally are healthier institution are among the last healthy institutions that are willing to police their own in a way and hold people accountable and uphold truth, then almost any other branch. it's certainly not journalism. the people who lied on january 20, generated six 2021 in the journalism business. they've paid no consequences. but if you were a lawyer, you have paid consequences. we were politician. you haven't paid a lot of consequences, but somehow the legal profession actually takes its own integrity a little more seriously >> yeah, that's one of the things that the legal profession loves to say is they shouldn't be regulated elsewhere because they're so good at regulating themselves.

and it really is astonishing to see that there are criminal charges coming out against all of these people. john eastman, jeffrey clark rudy giuliani those people are all charged in georgia but in this circumstance, the trials are happening first, and these aren't like blip trials. they are, they are substantial trials where witnesses are called the same type of people who may be called to testify against donald trump yesterday on the stand in the jeffrey clark attorney discipline proceeding. >> we >> heard from richard donahue, a testifying under oath, the former deputy attorney general, who was one of the voices pushing back against clarke and trump moos strongly, patrick filled-in also was testifying yesterday. and so this is a precursor to the criminal trials that we are very likely cli to see. >> and of course, ashley, we're heading into a election season where trump has sort of already previewed him. he's, he's

saying to his supporters, this needs to be too big to rig my victory needs to be two big to rig, like we're, we're heading for another round of legal challenges if trump loses, here, are there gonna be any lawyers left for him? >> well look i. think one of the things about the legal profession is that everyone deserves representation. and so including donald trump no matter how much you despise >> but >> for lawyer, i don't know if there's going to be enough lawyers lead any lawyers for donald trump, but when you were in law school, one of the first standard tests you take is about a code of ethics because they want you to understand that there are certain rules as a lawyer that when you practice that you have to follow. and i think that is one reason why the legal profession actually is still able to have some form of accountability. and it's clearly, i mean, you don't have to regret representing donald trump, but you do need to follow the rules of the law. and that's the only way to ensure to david's point that the constitution stays in places there has to be some checks and balances for all these institutions. and this is what we're seeing play out today. >> i'm sort of wondering, are

these people ever going to be considered to be quote, unquote hostages as the people who were held accountable for january 6, our according to the former president donald trump it's where we are kaitlan polling yes. thank you. i always appreciate having you come up next here over 1,000 specialists set to begin the process of clearing the baltimore channel plus y hunter biden's lawyers have to be in court today. >> when you're the leader in disaster cleanup and restoration, how do you make like it never even happened, happened comes your there's a pro for that. >> served grow like you've never even happened can the riva support your brain health? >> very janet, hey, eddie, know

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>> i'm evan perez and washington. >> and >> this is cnn welcome back. six people are >> still missing and presumed dead after a container ship collided with baltimore's francis scott key bridge and collapsed it. these search and rescue mission transitioning to a recovery mission overnight divers ordered out of the water because of dangerous conditions for 47 years. that's all we've known and so this is this is, this is not just, not just unprecedented from what we're seeing and what we're looking at today it's heartbreaking sometime today, investigators with the national transportation safety board expected to board the crippled vessel. there'll be looking for the ships recording devices and there are some new details this morning about the safety record of the mv dali. it was cited by port officials in chile last month for a deficiency with its propulsion and auxiliary machinery. let's bring in zeke cohen. he has a baltimore city councilman and good morning. thank you for being here at what are you hearing from residents this morning? i

obviously we are mourning these six people who gave their lives. there are also significant at ramifications for workers in the city of baltimore as the struggle to get the port back open is underway. >> yeah. this was an absolutely >> devastating tragedy and our hearts break for the six victims that presumably lost their lives. but here's the thing that people don't always know about baltimore is that we are built tough for as many times as my city gets knocked down, we always find a way back up. resilience is built into our dna. and while the national media sees our pain the thing that i wish you could see is also the love people have for each other here. and i just want to say yesterday, i received hundreds of texts and calls from constituents just asking how they could help i wish you could see how our first responders mobilized

within minutes and got to work, or how our communities rallied and praying together. that's baltimore and that's honestly what i'm seeing being on the ground is a city that's been hurt, but is standing together >> yeah, it's i mean, look, that's the baltimore i know. i've got orioles orange on monday at camden yards coming up this weekend and i know it's going to be a place where the community is going to be celebrating, coming together and talking about that resilience plants that you are talking about >> what specifically are you looking >> for from state officials and from federal officials as this recovery continues? >> yeah. look, this isn't all in an effort and what has been so heartening is seeing our president seen or governor seeing my mayor, seeing the collaboration this is going to take all of us working together. we need to rebuild infrastructure in this country. and the thing i know about

baltimore is that we will rebuild. we do need a massive effort by the federal government. it's exactly what president biden said yesterday. he is fully committed to supporting our city in this moment of need. but the way that the guard mobilize seeing our governor on the ground, look, that's what baltimore is all about. and again, there is no place that is more resilient than my city. and i'm just proud of the way community has rallied together, especially on behalf of the folks who may have lost their lives and who we're working for our betterment on that bridge >> all right. see cohen, a forest this morning at mr. council member. thank you very much for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me >> all right. now, this abortion rights are back before the supreme court for the first time since the justices reversed roe versus wade, the court heard oral arguments in the case which has often been

dubbed as the daughter of dobbs, it could determine whether millions of americans will be able to access the widely used abortion pill mifepristone. the majority of the court britt appeared skeptical of limiting the medications availability, even questioning whether the doctors who brought the case against the fda had the ability to do so in the first place. >> just to confirm on the standing issue under federal law, no doctors can be forced against their consciences to perform or assist in an abortion correct. this case seems like a prime example of turning what could be a small lawsuit into a nationwide legislative assembly on on, on an fda rule or any other federal government action >> all right, our panel is back with us now. jonah, were you surprised that the conservative justices yesterday seems a little bit resistant on this? i

mean, they were often making arguments around the standing of the people who brought the case as opposed to focusing non the merits of whether there should be this of the claim that they were trying to make. yeah. i >> actually wasn't. i mean, i think the coverage of the conservatives on the court and the most trump most trump appointed judges falls into too much of a of a partisan expectations game. >> the >> going into this, there were a lot of legal experts have said that the standing issue is the thorny and complicated one, and i personally think the cases have been a little exaggerated and it's importance of worst-case scenario, which i don't think is going to happen is it would revert back to what the rules were in the last year of the obama administration, which is not exactly as earth-shattering as some of the democratic fundraising emails make it sound. >> is it earth's shadow jump in and ask me about this is just an extension of the dobbs decision to the your intro saying that the daughter of dobbs luck this i will say this all the time mr. personnel has been around since 2000 and i am

now 41 and i graduated high school in 2000. that's how long this drug has been around to give you some perspective in terms of what the fda rule has said in terms of its safety some of the arguments is that it's not safe for women to use, which is just not the case. many women do use this as a form of abortion because it is saved, because it is accessible in a world where we don't have the constitutional right and bodily autonomy over them anymore. this step is just another overreach. if they rule that this is not a drug that should be accessible to people that will we'll animate the base, >> we'll >> john, i mean, i hear you. i'm saying that the partisanship of the court, but will play into the concern of this drug is outlawed, will plan to the concern of the over partisan nature of the supreme court because of how the court has now been formed, because three of the justices on the supreme court our trump appointed justices. >> if >> the supreme court, i think follows the law,

>> the other question is like the >> fda is the body that is supposed to be making these decisions. and so they've done it. there is no real standing in terms of the doctors that are saying like, we don't want to have to we don't want to have to deal with the aftermath of taking this pill and the court doesn't seem to buy that argument, so i'm concerned about this. i think it is a overreach. i think it is part of what folks have been saying is a collateral consequence of overturning roe and can have not just political consequences, but really health consequences for for women to have reproductive access. well, i >> mean, david from i will also just say that this drug is has become widely used. it is not just used for abortion, it is used in women's health care for people who are suffering miscarriages, for people who are grappling with what's going to be a stillborn baby. and if they were to move forward with this, i mean, i would honestly put it in the >> there. are >> all of these unintended consequences of the fall of roe

versus wade that we are seeing play out one at a time. this is going to make a lot of decisions for women who are grappling with what to do when they want to have a baby. their options are gonna be more limited if they make a move on this on the set of one of the early star wars which movies george lucas had a pages of really clunky script to harrison ford, who won the story, said, george, you can type this stuff. he didn't say stuff. you can type of stuff. >> i can't say it. so i think you can write a lot of articles about the impact of, about roe versus wade about human life amendments. but the before, but you can't say it because as you unfold the consequences of the degree of surveillance of women that you have to impose an order to take these ideas seriously. i think the courts and every other institution american society is going to say when we didn't mean you had a young woman had to have a doctor's note north to cross state lines. we don't meet we didn't mean to ban in vitro fertilization. we didn't understand what we're doing it because you can type this

stuff, but you can't say it. that's the problem that the courts in many other institutions in american life are having their, now having to read aloud a script that was written for them. and it's clunky. >> i have to say i'm a huge star wars fan. i find it very rare. i can get started tours in politics actually go together. so props to you for that i actually didn't know that story about harrison ford. i should have. all right. coming up next here, how donald trump hopes to make america pray again. but there's a price plus the nfl giving the boring old kickoff, the boots it's better outside with the ninja outdoor family. cook outs are better with master grills that sir, in char like a propane grill, barbecue smoke and air fry outdoors every day. every day activities are better with license coolers that keep ice from day. and have fridge temperature dollars for dry from backyard mashes are better with pizza they give you crispy 700 degree high heat roasting

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the stage to greenwood's music. >> it's only 59, 99. and just for that you get a copy of the constitution, a copy of the bill of rights copy of the pledge allegiance, and the declaration of independence as well as the bible, i guess. just a reminder. this is the man who wants said this two corinthians, 317, that's the whole ballgame where this of the lord, right? where the spirit of the lord is. there is liberty john, can you please remind me what is two corinthians >> favorite example of this when he was asked what his favorite bible verse was, he said, well, first of all, there's so many, i couldn't just so many and many said hold on. an eye for an eye >> i just thought was a >> great look. in fairness, whether you i think a lot of people who really he passionately disliked trump are praying again to the state of things. but now this is the life we've chosen. someone made a bad wish with a monkey,

paula while ago. and this is the life we have now it is, it is remarkable glimpse of the path we could have been on that if the electoral college and bounce to slightly differently in 2016, donald >> trump would have been a tv pitch man for the past decade and he wouldn't be selling reverse reversible mortgages. dietary supplements. >> it >> does it is a reminder, however, of how fraught module and all the claims about his wealth are. these are not the actions of very wealthy people, very wealthy people are living on the interest upon the interests of their municipal bonds. they do not need to go on tv and sell bibles to credulous supporters. by the way, the bible of course, is available in almost every translation you could want for free online. you can read it every day for nothing ashley, do you want to weigh in here? >> not particularly, but i i guess, you know, to take a slightly more serious tone on this is this is a preview. again of how trump sees the way he wants to rule the world through an 13 of theology,

which is one way, which is, as i'm a christian, but the bible is the route in which we are going to govern this country, even though this country was founded on the separation of church and state. and so it's funny, and yet it's not because it is a tell that if he wins in november and becomes president, he could not just say like i'm selling bibles, but i'm mandating that in our schools, everyone has a bible in these institutions. everyone has a bible and that's not what america is about. there are people from all different faiths. and that's the beauty of this patchwork clot that we have that donald trump doesn't really seem to appreciate in the jonah pulling together to ashley's excellent the point, the founding documents of the country into, i mean, they're the separation of church and state was a founding ideal for a country that was breaking away from britain. and those documents that the founders wrote reflected that to kind of put them together and then

hawke, it does. i mean, yeah it's a great value in a bundle and they're all public domain now, so they can get them really cheap for printing purposes, but no look, i mean, like i don't think at all truly that donald trump wants to impose a theocracy. i think there are a bunch of people in his orbit. do right? there are people who donald trump, we talked about going to community, he says, and when they give me my little cracker, i mean, like this has guy who was not religiously literate in the slightest. but the people who are most invested in him, surrounding him, i want to fill the federal bureaucracy. >> they he actually take this theocracy stuff very seriously and i do think that this mixing, it really is an interesting mix of god and mammon isn't it that we're seeing? and i think to your point, i think that's where the real threat is. if you're concerned about that kind of thing well, he is he is engaged in one scam after another i think we're on these, these two clocks. when does the election

clock? and one is the the bankruptcy clock, i guess is the third clock, which is the criminal clock that probably won't have time to operate before the election. but the bankruptcy clock us. and i think the most serious his engaged in is this effort to loft the shares of his media company truth social say current omega-c, but yes. >> the other thing >> it's smells terrible. it smells terrible. i personally, i don't alone now though. so like it can right colon, i had his cologne when i went and covered his announcement at trump tower, but i think teen i think it's a long-standing thing. >> the others are funny. i think what the media company, i think we're going to find it's not just credulous meme stock buyers. i think we're going to find much more serious sec, securities and exchange commission stuff going on to drive the price in this way. and so there may be yet another round of investigations from this latest attempt for him to make make some serious money to recoup the fortune he inherited from his father and then disappeared >> you know, i i think one thing that i could do things i bet donald trump will say, the

bible cells don't go. why aren't people buying it? they asked me what to put in the bible. that will be one claim that he makes. and i hope write this thing that's the kind of fraudulent behavior that this exhibits to me. he's just willing to say whatever he can to seem like he's the center of the story even when we know it so extreme on the truth social thing. i mean, i do think for a lot of regular people, this idea that you could just push a button and generate this vast amount of wealth kind of overnight for something that most people are not familiar with. i do think maybe cuts in an interesting way. i did want to bring these into the conversation. donald trump did seem to have a late night last night were kind of wondering when he actually got any sleep, but former president i've posted a series of new attacks on his platform. truth social in the middle of the night, he attacked nbc after the network droprmer rnc chair ronna mcdaniel as a paid political analyst, he wrote it 12:30 a.m. that nbc is filled with degenerates and that mcdaniel, the niece of senator mitt romney, should have changed her

name back to romney when she signed with him let me see. then around 02:00 a.m. trump came after rfk junior, which i think is very interesting politically, rfk junior announced his vice presidential pick for his independent presidential bid yesterday. so trump called kennedy the most radical left democrat in the race. >> so i >> want to show you a couple of things here that we saw play out yesterday. one was i am very interested. i want to dig into this idea that trump apparently is threatened by rfk junior. i'm here was shanahan his vp pick, very wealthy woman, which i think is an important thing to remember here. onstage at the hey junior rally yesterday. watch conditions like autism used to be one in 10,000. now, here in the state of california, it is 1.20 let's do one in 22 children affected allergies, obesity, anxiety, depression,

or children or not? well, our people are not well and our country will not be well for very much longer if we don't heed this desperate call for attention, >> there is only one candidate i have met for president who takes the chronic disease epidemic serious leaders, robert f. kennedy jr. and i will be his ally and making our patients helping again i will be his ally in making our nation healthy. again, i would just like to remind everyone what that looks like. for rfk junior, who i spoke to earlier this year, watch our interview you have day notoriety for your skepticism about vaccines. and over the summer in an interview you said, quote, there's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective. do you still believe that >> i never stopped me? we have the least play the clip can you name any vaccines that you think are good >> i think some of the live virus vaccines are probably so

i've earning more problems than they're causing there's no vaccine that is safe and effective so you did say it >> he did say it. he didn't say it. rfk junior did say there is no vaccine that is safe and effective. jonah goldberg, trump clearly now is seeing some sort of threat here from rfk junior democrats already recognized he could be a threat to president biden. what do you see in the politics of all this in rfk's bid and what danger or not that poses to the country. >> look it's given how five max seven states are going to decide this election and the margins are so tight and worse otitis 2020. so tight and 2016 in terms of the electoral college, at least it's very hard to game out right? in 2020, only 2% of the vote went to third parties kennedy loses support by half, and it would still be a major multiple of

that. so that's the anti-vax stuff, it it cuts across parts of the biden coalition and the trump coalition in ways that make just very hard to predict. but it's going to matter >> i mean, this is dangerous, i think for our country one, because it's talking about making it. we do want a healthier country, but it's not by banning vaccines are questioning vaccine, particularly coming off of a pandemic we're just in this country, you lost millions of people i think the other jonah's point, it is, he is able to put together this unique folk configuration of people, some who voted for biden in 2020. but now we're going to vote for him and some who were trump folks then some people who just are like, i'm not going to vote for anybody if it's not a third party. and so any 10,000 votes in any one of these battlegrounds is problematic. the other thing that shanahan said that was interesting was that her whole purpose right now is to get him on the balance because right now, rfk juniors strategy is not he's not on all in on the

ballot in all the states. that is not a pathway to win, to get to 270. so if you aren't on, on the state ballots and you can't actually get to do 70. what are you doing in this race other than playing a spoiler? >> three things that people should perhaps keep in mind as they want to gauge the impact and importance of this candidacy. the first is that robert kennedy jr. you're and donald trump or longtime personal friends and allies at the beginning of trump's administration, he appointed rfk junior to a vaccine commission, which is like gosh, i had almost forgotten about that is an incredible thing that america is leading pro polio pro measles advocate. >> put >> them on a commission that associate deal with vaccines. that's the first thing. second thing to remember is that the finance, the fundraising for robert kennedy campaign has been in the super pac while kennedy is a kind of ideological wildcard, the people running a super pac are clear republicans. that's where the money is coming from. and that's what's going to be a control of that money. >> so whatever rok >> junior says in his speeches, the ads from the bobby kennedy super pac are going to to attack by, they're gonna be quo

ads. people say he cuts against trump, but his money will cut against biden and the last thing to remember is that kennedy has made many, many millions of dollars that it was propylaea pro measles advocacy so yes, there may be an element of delusion here, but there's also an element of operational savvy to some very bad ends. but he is, he is not the sucker at the table that people listened to him are the soccer's at the table >> jonah, the other attacks that trump leveled overnight. we're at ronna mcdaniel and nbsp the news what is your honestly was wondering last night when i was i was thinking about you're coming on the show, you're on david, what your view is of how things played out at width. ronna mcdaniel, and what trump had to say about her as well. i mean, the journalists at nbc, if obviously said this is ronna, was someone that attack them, trump. now of course taking more shots >> yeah. >> i think nbc handled this about as poorly as it could. i

don't think she should have been hired. i think the way she was fired as problematic for them. i think that there are a lot of my friends on the right who want to just do a lot of what about ism? i'm as mbc has gen. sake and george stephanopoulos was an aid. and i think to a certain extent, those complaints are valid >> the >> problem going back to the john eastman stuff is that she was part of an essentially an attack on the constitution and elections and that should come at a certain price. so they got into this mess by hiring or they thought it was gonna give her access or give her a pro ku voice or something and i think there was a huge mistake, but then feiner just made the problems even worse for nbc >> i you have to ask when you put people on tv why are you doing it? >> who are they speaking for? are you hearing what that person thinks? does that person make phone calls for any reason before they go on tv for any reason other than to gather information, are they being directed in some way? what you ask? the reason we have conversations like this is because you think at some level you're hearing from people with

sincere nearly inwardly believe, and we'll say without regard to any other constituency or pressure upon them. and if you don't have that feeling about somebody, really, why are there? they're just quote the press release >> all right. this has been great conversation. thank you all very much for being here. i will leave you with this in times of tragedy and heartbreak, it's always amazing to see real community today. people showing up for when each one another making sacrifices to help other people both physically and emotionally. and we are seeing that in baltimore i have seen classic examples of what it means to be maryland tough and i've seen classic example of what it means to be baltimore strong. i have seen a community rally i have seen us overwhelmed with the amount of calls from philanthropist and the private sector wanting to come in and support. we even had sandwich shops that closed to the public so they can make food for first responders. we've watched a community rally. we've watched a it