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emerges, could dirty fuel have triggered the disaster in baltimore? for and let's not forget the human toll of all of this baltimore native might grow is here to talk about the under-appreciated migrant bridge workers doing a dangerous job. in the middle of the night tonight. and laura coates live we're learning much more tonight about the devastating and deadly bridge crash in baltimore by the headlines from the ntsb press conference tonight, 21 crew members and two pilots were on board the dali cargo ship when it crashed into the key bridge, six construction workers on the bridge presumed dead. the ntsb interviewed the ship's captain, his mate, the chief engineer, and one other engineered today, the ship's cargo. well, it included 764 tons of hazardous materials. some of the hazmat containers we're breached,

others seem in the water. the bridge did not have any redundancy, which is the preferred method for brill building bridges today. and that means that one point of failure could take down a portion or the entire bridge ntsb chair, jennifer homendy says the investigation could take up to two years, but the human cost of all of this, frankly, it's almost incalculable in a moment. mike rowe joins me to talk about what this means for a baltimore community and the families who depended on tough jobs on the bridge fans >> that is pretty much gone that is it's just utter devastation and when i look at something like that, i am thinking not about the container ships that are coming through, not about traffic getting back up and running on the bridge. i'm thinking about the families who've lost loved

ones and the families who are waiting to reunite with loved ones. and what they must be going through i want to go right now to cnn's pete muntean, who was at the press conference this very evening. pete, i'm so glad you're here and with your reporting because we got a lot of information coming from the ntsb tonight, including the possibility that contaminated fuel may have played a role. what more can you tell us? >> it is a theory but not one that the ntsb has given all that much credence to yet they say that they will do a test of the fuel on board the mv dali, something they typically do during any investigation like this investigators war on board the mv dali today and they he say that they have been able to determine that there was some sort of power outage on board the ship, although they do not yet know the cause, the big stumbling block right now is

the voyage data recorder. the ship's black box. it only records limited parameters, a few things like the engine rpm the position of the ship's rudder, and the heading of the ship's bow. and ntsb chair, jennifer homendy says, she would love to see more data from ships like this to help an investigations like this, listen it is very basic compared to say, a flight data recorder, where we would have 1,000 parameters. so it would be good to have that information key to have that information for an investigation even still, the ntsb says it has been able to glean a lot of data from the voyage data recorders >> audio recording portion. they were able to tell that during the first 46 minutes of this voyage from the port of baltimore, things were relatively normal than at 125 on tuesday morning. that is one

thing is really want sideways numerous alarms lit up on the ship's bridge. and there were desperate moves that followed by the crude dropping the anchor commands for full rudoren commands that there were going to hit the bridge in front of them. all of those maneuvers, emergency maneuvers proved futile and preventing to the disaster that occurred, they're >> part of this disaster we're learning, i'm learning some new terms and all of this. they, they keep talking about the bridge being what they're calling fracture critical. what does that mean and doesn't explain why it went down so quickly >> it's a new term that i learned tonight as well. and it essentially means that the bridge is prone to failure. a doesn't have all that much redundancy. there were three spans of the bridge one on each side, and then a center trust portion with two pylons at each end of that center trust

portion. it's almost like a domino effect and the ship took down one of those pilings and because that piling got taken out, the rest of the bridge came down. it is a sad reality. homendy says that the key bridge is not alone one of the united states, they are 17,000 more bridges like this in the us, it is the norm now to make bridges redundant. so this is sort of an older style when this bridge came to be about 47 years ago. right now, the ntsb is looking at the records of this bridge. they say it was last inspected may of 2020 three so not all that long ago and it was in satisfactory condition then >> pete muntean. so illuminating. thank you so much. >> we are >> learning much more tonight about this tragic bridge collapse and joining me now, veteran ship captain allen post, he is the deputy superintendent at texas a&m maritime academy. captain post. thank you so much for being here. i have to ask you, i mean, as a captain, what did

you think as you heard that the timeline and the actions of the crew in the final seconds. so seconds before that collision thank you for having me. >> i thought it was absolutely amazing that they were able to do all invar accomplishing in that short time frame. being able to get an anchor down, getting the rudder commands out, and getting the mayday call out to be able to close the bridge in less than five minutes is truly amazing. here for by the pilots and the team on the bridge of the ship >> i mean the investigators, they now have the ships data tracker, which includes apparently six hours or so of audio. and most people are familiar with what data might be contained on, say, an airplane's black box. but what kind of data would you find on this tracker? but what might it tell them >> well, in the voyage data recorder, it's going to record snapshots of the ship's radar is 42 record. your rudder angle

perhaps rpm and some other additional parameters it's also going to report what was being displayed on the ship's electronic data chart system or actus and that information along with the audio recording of the conversation on bridges, is going to tell them the events that happened on yeah so many of us are trying to climb this steep learning curve of a maritime terminology. and i want to lean into your expertise here because we learned that the pilot ordered something called a hard rudder to port and of course, for the anchor to be dropped when the ship lost electrical power. >> and the >> ability to steer. what that entail? so exactly. and was this the right series of moves one would follow >> this is absolutely consistent with best practices. what he was attempting to do was bring the shift back towards the center of the channel and away from the span moving the. rudder, heart

report would bring the stern to the right and the bowel to the left, dropping the port anchor, the left anchor would also induce drag on the forward portion of the ship and also assist in moving the ship back towards the center of the channel. but they just ran out of time >> just thinking about just a few more stretches of the water. everything could have been different here >> now there >> are also sources that are familiar with the investigation and they told the wall street journal that officials will look at whether contaminated fuel may have played some role or any kind whatsoever in what happened. can you help connect the dots here? because i'm wondering under what kind of scenario would fuel lead to a vessel losing control? >> oh, well contaminated fuel can cause the engine to basically stutter. it could cause it to shut down and could cause it to trip alarms that say, hey, something's not

right, the engine is not working correctly. we, need, to stop it before something completely catastrophic happens if if that is the case here and the ntsb was certainly be investigating that it would be very, very interesting to see and especially in the ship of this age, how the engine automation responded and also what data that they can hold from the engine automation system we are really in the beginning of this investigation. i mean it's hard to imagine less than 48 hours ago, the francis scott key bridge was standing. >> captain allen posts. thank you so much. >> thank you >> now, i want to turn to the race for 2024. lara trump, the new rnc co-chair, and also the wife of donald trump's son, eric here the message for voters is it going to be the position of the rnc in 2024 that the 2020 election was not fairly decided or that it was

stolen somehow. >> well, i think we're past that. i think that's in the past. we learned a lot. certainly we took a lot of notes that's right the co-chair of the rnc, things that we are past the 2020 election lies. so i guess that means you can ignore the rico charges in georgia or jack smith's federal election subversion case. all irrelevant. i guess. >> well, maybe someone >> ought to tell her father-in-law that everyone's past all of this because he certainly not making this same statement at nearly every rally since even the new year >> the radical left democrats rig the presidential election in 2020, and we're not going to allow them to rig the president shall election in 2024 oh, yeah, maybe someone should also tell the former trump election lawyer his name was john eastman, that we're also passed it because a california judge just >> recommended eastman to be disbarred

>> why? >> because it was actions that he took a challenge trump's 2020 election loss. this would mean he could not practice law anymore. if of course it's adopted. >> now eastman's lawyer >> is responding tonight saying that eastman maintains that he worked as he should have on legal issues after the 2020 election for his then client, trump will joining me now, a cnn legal analyst, norm eyes and he was also a part of a group of 25 bipartisan ethics experts who called upon the california bar to investigate mr. eastman. norm was not named in the decision and order today. norm. so glad you're here and good to see you. i mean, we had been wondering a lot about what would come of this particular hearing. he's got a lot of due process about this very proposal. now, they are placing him on involuntary inactive status right now. >> can you walk us through >> why this court is saying that he should be disbarred. >> laura >> we all remember that donald

trump and his team, including john eastman, one of the lead counsels said there was widespread fraud. there were 63 cases claiming there was fraud, and that in part because of that fraud under the constitution, vice president pants have the power. nobody ever heard of this, had the power to delay the january 6 meeting of congress to recognize the winner maybe even throw out some of those electors the court today, the california bar judge said that john eastman's role in that basically was false. >> he >> put forward false information about the facts and the law, the facts, there was no water spread fraud, and the law, but vice president has no such powers and it wasn't a close case. that's why as a lawyer, he was recommended for disbarment the california

supreme court will have to prove it. you can't lie about the facts. you can't lie about the law >> will this have any impact on the actual legal cases that trump is facing? obviously, the nature and the substance of the facts are alleged in current lawsuits and prosecutions i think it's a powerful indicator of the trouble that donald trump will face both in the >> federal election interference case. here in dc and the state one in fulton county, georgia. why? >> the essence of the prosecution's case is that donald trump was in a conspiracy. >> no >> facts, no law. he wanted to hang on to the office even though he knew he lost one. well, that's what was found by a clear and convincing standard, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but boy, that's a big step in that direction powerful evidence. so

that is assigned a prosecution will succeed donald trump's defenses were also important byd to be weaken today because he can't say i relied on counsel if he had an agreement, if he was in a conspiracy with his counsel, and that's what this judge found. so very ominous, for donald trump, both prosecution case and his defense. >> this isn't the first time, by the way, that lawyers for trump are facing consequences. i mean, he now joins a long list. you've got linwood, sidney powell, jeffrey clark, kenneth chesebro, rudy giuliani. you have to wonder, is the law closing in on trump if it's going through his lawyer? hers as well, reminds and thank you so much, laura coming up and all hands on deck kind of moment. and in 2024 campaign, can his former boss present brock obama, turn the

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saying 2024 is going to require a quote all hands on deck unquote approach. i tried not to emulate his voice. may come across. it mean to it also begins tomorrow night with a star-studded fundraiser at radio city music hall featuring president biden and obama and clinton. now the tickets range from $225 a pop. all right? >> all love to half 1 million >> joining me now, gabriel debit and eddy, >> who quite literally wrote the book on the obama biden relationship is called the long alliance. he's also a national correspondent for new york magazine. also here a cnn political commentator, ashley allison, former now national coalitions director for biden harris, 2020. i'll start with you, gabriel, since you are not with me beside my upside me, but the event tomorrow is it's sold out even with those prices, by the way, sold out, you got biden. you have obama, you've got clinton, and it's

going to be quite the glittering night at radio city music hall how much could this realistically help president biden >> yeah, it's a good question. an event like this is really about sending a message, but there is a short-term goal to which is to raise a ton of money and it's pretty important to remember that when it comes to president obama, president clinton two, that's a big part of the role early in the campaign that they're gonna be playing for president biden's reelection. they're just trying to raise as much money as possible to make sure that biden is in good position and that his campaign has what it needs because the message that obama in particular has been sending when people ask him about this is it's gonna be really tough the overall message that they're trying to send though by all appearing together, is one of unity in one of really trying to say the entire democratic party. all of these past presidents are here with biden you. it's really important to support him and there isn't of course, an implied message. it's certainly not lost on them that

previous republican presidents, even his own vice president president, are not with the alternative. and that's donald trump's. so there's a little bit of multilayer in here. but again, the primary goal, raise a lot of money and it's pretty clear that they're going to do that. >> it's really important pointing raised to ashleigh about the message it sends because clearly you're not talking about the same unified approach or a fraternity of sorts for the republicans ashwath's donald trump we also know that obama is tremendously popular. i mean, he really is. he was when he was president also still is a especially among black and latino voters and younger voters as well i wondering though, so i can to chris wallace earlier this evening and they satan was something like, well, the popularity has essentially translate campus so it on somebody else can >> he >> send some of that to biden? will it stick? >> well, when you're building a campaign, you want to have surrogates and trusted messengers and like it or not, president obama is still one of the most famous individuals in

the world and definitely in american politics. and so do you think there are voters, some who voted for the first time for obama and never came back back to the democratic party or back to democracy and cast a vote. and he could potentially be the person to reach out and say, listen folks, that just the president, president obama. but the first lady as well. listen folks, we have a job to do. let me explain to you why this is just as important. his voting for me as it is to vote for joe biden. and so to the point of being all hands on deck, that's what the president is doing because he knows the stakes of this election. if joe biden does not win not just because of donald trump, but also because of third party candidates. so the democratic party, it's great that they had these past presidents and are able to continue to build so they're robust coalition with diverse set of formers but it's also important that they can talk to various communities. bill clinton been some and president barack obama, me. >> i went back to look and see that by the timing, i'm always wondering why now, why not before, why not later? and just

the timing of all that looks like. and at the same time, in obama's presidency at this same time, by the way, his approval rating was about ten points higher than biden is right now. and so if you just look at this and also about the timing of when he endorsed so get it was an april of the same presidential election year. so again, when we go to you here, because in terms of the why now you've written about this quite extensively, that biden and obama weren't always on the same page when it came to whether biden ought to run. and here we are now an endorsement four years ago. now another one coming tell me a little bit about this relationship and how you think are publicly this is going to be additive for, well, there's a whole long history here. i mean, we can't forget that. in 2008, they actually briefly ran against each other before they of course, spent eight years together and the white house, they didn't always see together but see i die together in 2016, biden was quite hurt that president obama

quite clearly preferred hillary clinton over him for a number of personal and political reasons that were going on at the time. but then you look at 20:20 and obama was skeptical of the idea that biden was the right person for the party and for the country at the moment, he did not endorse him during the primary though he was keeping in touch with biden, he was willing to be helpful. he only came out and fully endorsed biden once that primary was over and he did help them get over the line there at the end. but what was not publicly appreciated at the time was just how much work obama was doing for biden behind the scenes, ones biden did become the nominee in 2020, partially because he likes biden and partially because he thinks that's the responsibility of someone like himself in all of his fame and influence. but also because of the threat that heat perceives. and donald trump, he really thinks that donald trump is a threat to democracy in a threat to the country. so it's important to remember that there are a lot of people around biden who are also so former obama people. the two of them certainly keep in touch, but even more than that, obama

and those around obama's still do talk to the people who are running the biden operation just to make sure that they're all on the same page. if they're seeing everything is it is strategically. and i expect that that's going to be the same now, why now? because obama does perceive that this is the time that is needed. you need a lot of time to build up credibility with a lot of these voters who are questioning whether biden is ready for this election >> gabriel and ashley, what mate to lean on you and ashley, of course, with your experience is having been the former national coalitions director for biden harris 2020 will look to you to see what you've doubt about the fundraiser tomorrow, where it goes it goes from there. thank you both for joining us >> thanks >> hey, new york city police officer shot and killed during a traffic stop. the tragic death touching a nerve now, donald trump is entering this story. i'll explain how and why next >> anderson cooper 60 tomorrrro

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thank you so much for being here this evening. this this incident with officer jonathan diller is truly heartbreaking, especially leaving behind the family that he is. here is what york city mayor atoms, a former officer himself, said about it >> you have a real receipt of his problem. you will see it's the same people over and over again. >> he's been discussing, recidivism is part of his overall conversations about crime how big of a problem is this issue of repeat offenders >> well, as you know, as a former federal prosecutor, there are certain crooks who commit certain crimes as their job, meaning they show up for work every day part of the debate here is the criminal justice reform laws that were passed to bring more equity to the criminal justice system. and how they were constructed along with district attorney policies to lean away from putting people in jail or prison if there were alternatives some people who

could be put back on the right path after committing an individual first or second offense may have benefited from that. but those who have those certain crimes that they commit as their profession have benefited from it a great deal take two numbers into stride here last year, there were 64 assaults on transit workers in the subway system. 38 of those cases resulted in arrests. and when you take those suspects and you run their records they have a collective 1,100 prior arrest together these are people who go into the subways to commit crimes on a regular basis. and the system is not dealing with them in a way that makes them less of a danger to the community. the second one is a more benign crime, but very concerning the business which just shoplifting. you've got 543 people who have been arrested and charged with shoplifting, 7,500 times and their universe of arrest when

taken together as 31,000. that's like 57 per person. >> so you see that there's a system where the revolving doors spinning very fast >> yeah. this is the idea when we're talking about crime. and of course, incarceration, we talked about the different competing motivation, whether it's to prevent recidivism, whether it's to deter and of course to punish and the aspects of justice and competence. all this. and yet, we so often don't hear about the recidivism aspect as much as we do the arrest, the bail reform discussions as well. i want to talk about some disturbing incidents that have happened as well of of women being punched in new york city. i mean, cnn producers have spoken to three women who have detailed being assaulted in the last couple of months, but they didn't report it to any officers. >> these >> assaults, they seem random. they seem entirely unprovoked. >> why is this happening?

>> well, it's an interesting question and it runs into the intersection of a few different problems number one stranger assaults, meaning assault complaints where the person and the on the forum says relationship to offender never met them before, are up 13.9% and when they looked at those numbers again in the transit system, they looked at it a different way, which is they said of the people were catching and arresting for felony assault how many of them have documented mental health histories with the nypd? and the answer was a shocking 40%. now the important caveat here, laura and i know, you know, this is people suffering from mental health issues are no more likely are prone to violence than anyone else in society. but in the city of 8.6 million with a serious homeless problem with a subset of people who suffer from mental illness has been a struggle for the city and the mayor has been fighting with albany for two

years now to get them to pass legislation that makes it more effective to get people committed to hospital but most for treatment. and then to mandate treatment and after care and an outpatient basis and still fighting to get that passed, but even at that, they're doing about 100 involuntary removals for mentally ill people, not necessarily concerned with violence, but who are either a harm to themselves or potentially to others every week >> you know, what you described as the intersection, there are so many layers of this conversation that needs to continue to be unpacked. and very much part of an expansive conversation when we talk about justice and law enforcement and priorities and policing measures and beyond all of that in the course, we can't forget about the loss of life for one, jonathan diller, john miller. thank you so much >> thanks laura >> utah's women's basketball

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presser must be because he lost, right? >> no. that's not what this is >> this has been >> a 20 soccer star for real madrid who in a room full of reporters, broke down in tears not. because he lost because of recurring racial abuse >> fans from >> opposing teams have been throwing racial slurs and chance at him repeatedly. and he says that it's so bad that he is losing the will to play now you're probably thinking, all right, well that's just europe >> all right. well, let's >> go to idaho >> the university of utah women's basketball team is on the road for the empty doublet tournament in idaho when they're just trying to go out for a team dinner when they say truck flying a confederate flag pulls up alongside them and people start shouting racist language. the n word and then

after dinner, they say it happens again this time the drivers brought reinforcement engines, revving, people shouting and threatening the team >> what >> they're supposed to go back to the hotel and just say it's all fine wake up in the morning to play and then when and not be afraid of retaliation if they do but how when they're afraid that they could be harmed by the people they say threaten them all while there, what 18, 19 years old >> these are >> students in college to learn and to grow and to excel at their sport while under a tremendous microscope they're just kids and they just want to play and their head coach was visibly upset when she addressed it >> racism his real and it happens and it's it's awful.

it was really upsetting. and for our players and staff to not feel safe in an ncaa tournament environment it's messed up >> joining me now wnba legend and two-time olympic gold medalist, angela mcardle angel. thank you so much for being here i can't say i my time is i have heard about are covered. these stories are experienced racism even while i was a high school player on a soccer field in minnesota. and i have to get your reaction to this. you've been in these athletes shoes, you've, you've played for your university, you play in the end twa tournament >> you felt all the excitement, all the preach game jitters, and then something like this. what's your reaction? yeah, that's that's the thing is march madness, baby, this is what we all dream of. this is what every athlete wants to do a play march, madness. and people don't realize is so tough already been a student

athlete, we work hard, we lift weights, we gotta do what others students don't do, but to experience this, this is totally uncalled if you don't like the team, all you have to do is go to the game and tear for the opposing team. that is it? >> and yet, these players, as you mentioned, now only are carrying in many ways the weight of the university and the microscope. but then they're also thinking about their own personal safety all why? because someone feels entitled to be able to hurl these racial epithets and to threaten them in these ways. i mean, you traveled across the country, the world. in fact, you've traveled basketball and you have been extraordinarily successful. have you ever experienced anything like this yourself >> i have to say that i have i have experienced these kind of things. but what i have done is i had to learn kind of tunnel vision it out and it didn't take away from 6-7 that's if for those kids i want them to know that we are behind them. we support them. they should

not have had to go through that. you're already had the pressure of trying to win the incident like game and now you have to have this fear of oh, my god, what's going to happen is something going to happen to me for what reason we don't know. these things should never happen. 21819 year-old's at the end of the day it's taking a little deeper. we're all americans here, wall on the same team. if we dig a little deeper coming from a true olympian at that by the way, how do you, as a team, we pick each other up after this because obviously the experience of one, when you are part of a team impacts them, all impacts them, morale impacts a feeling that they are supported or not >> what do you do >> we have to show them that we support them. i think this is where the ncw leg is involved and doesn't investigation just to let them know that all nc double athletes are safe, doesn't matter. basketball, soccer, football, that they're all safe. and just for the fans we're human beings, we're not machines. i know we make it look easy, but that's because all the hard work we put and we just want to be appreciated for what we do. we understand that there you have opposing teams

that you cheer for, but racial slurs? no, no, no, no, no, never, never, never just go to your for the team you love and let these student athletes just be student athletes. they're about to go into the world the real-world. they don't have to, they sit not experience this nowhere. >> well. sadly, some would say that this indeed is part of the real world and that might be the most telling of all and speaking of even real madrid, you saw the video of vinicius breaking down because of racist attacks. now, just this past sunday, the us mexico game was suspended for the second straight year. by the way, because of homophobic chants. >> so you see that he is talking >> about even losing the will to play. why do you think, why do people think? >> but >> they can say things like this to athletes, to strangers. what is it about? the dawning of a uniform? the perhaps entertaining showmanship of extraordinary athletes. it makes someone think, i get to do this i think that's

answered that none of us know, but i will say this if i can put it into perspective. if everyone was the same color, same race what a boring world we would live in >> everybody would just, >> people would just commit suicide because of boredom you couldn't travel to other countries because everything's the same. that's the beauty of the world we live in, is that there different races, different cultures. i love going to different countries traveling because i can see something different and learn something new. so when we see these races, attacks against people it just shows maybe just a little lack of education and people maybe need to travel more, see what's out here because it will be a boring world as if everybody was saying well, angel, i, i hear you and i also see the fact that you've mentioned this >> these are human >> beings that are impacted and just because you may be the exceptional athlete who is thriving, it doesn't mean that empathy is not owed and dignity not be guaranteed. angela mcardle. thank you so much >> thank you so much

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people. >> and now they're gone >> let's bring in the ceo of mike rowe works foundation and baltimore native, mike rowe. mike, thank you so much for joining. i mean, i still can't believe what has happened in this for this bridge and the images. what's happened in the community, the response, and we've heard president biden talk about baltimore stronger shines, say ball more strong >> i mean, look at >> these six hard working construction workers were learning more about who lost their lives working in frankly, now, dangerous conditions in the middle of the night to help ensure that there were safe road conditions. they are valued members of their communities. what tell me a little bit about what your reaction was when you heard about this and those that were impacted well let's baltimore guy it does hit pretty close to home. i normally not at a loss for words on social media, but there wasn't much for me to do

except post a picture of the bridge with me at fort mcat three and the bridge in the background and i've driven over that thing probably 1,000 times. and i've sailed under it almost as much over the years. and to see what i'm looking at right now. i mean, it's it's very strange, your brain understands it, your eyes see it but the message doesn't quite land honestly. i felt the same way on september 11th. >> not >> that the two are comparable, but in the sense that you just it takes a minute, you see it, but it just takes a minute to land. >> i interviewed a man last night and i who woke up thinking that it was an earthquake, only to have the same reaction that you had. he talked about the areas surrounding it taught me about this being a working class town, a tight-knit resilient community. they rely on the bridge for so many aspects of it commuting. one, their livelihood and beyond. i know

that the government always comes to rescue communities that are particularly wealthy sometimes they get the most swift response of all are you worried that this community will get left behind >> no >> well possibly in relative terms, but i don't worry about baltimore from a character standpoint. my first reaction was as a native of the hometown. my second reaction was a guy who hosted dirty jobs yeah, 20 years and i've worked on a lot of bridges and worked on the brooklyn bridge and worked on the golden gate, the bay bridge, and san francisco. and the mighty mac up in michigan, one of the biggest suspension bridges in the world and these men when you say risky conditions, i don't care if it's 72 and sunny in the middle of a glorious day. you're 45600 feet in the air. your holy focused on both doing a job and not falling down the

last thing on your mind is a giant ship coming out of nowhere and running into a support on a bridge like that, laura, that's a single truss bridge and people might not understand at a glance, but in order to make those lanes wider, so it can handle the amount of traffic it handles >> it's just one big piece of construction. so when it goes it goes. >> i'm so glad that you brought in the perspective of just how difficult the work is. and so sadly, under appreciated by far too many people who i think have to have a new appreciation for what it takes to be up there, what is being asked to people to do? so and just the reliance on a structure that is well vulnerable to what has happened here. and those who are working to make sure that it is maintained, and that is going to have the structural integrity that it needs to have for everyone to be able to use it in the ways that create

commerce and trade roots and beyond. i mean, according to the maryland government, there are over 15,000 direct jobs in the port of baltimore, over 139,000 related jobs mean the idea that this is stopping coming to a halt the ability for these jobs to be performed, what kind of job losses to the economy do you even expect here it's, it's mind boggling to think about the scope >> yeah. i mean, look 16,000 is the number right out of the gate. >> this >> is a board city that is now effectively closed to the ocean that bridge is now a giant underwater barrier and just getting it out of the way is going to take awhile those jobs are gone the trickle-down effect is going to be staggering because as you know, the transportation industry and logistics and supply chains, these things are all connected in so many ways. i don't know what it means to get a few hundred thousand light cars and

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