mean, this was a ship that is three. what ball fields wong even going ten knots, that's a lot of momentum so i don't know if i'd want to guess at anyway, about structural issues, but bridge itself was till all a cat by all accounts, very structurally sound. people are talking about different things that might be done in the future tug boats, you know, you have plugged boats in the inner harbor that helped around he shifts boats were not accompanying the ship as it passed under this other bridge. but again, these are all possibilities. we just need to wait for the ntsb and of course we're also going to be watching our effort to rebuild the bridge itself that varies yeah, about 35,000 people every day >> center of chris van hollen from maryland, the whole country's with you this morning, senator, know that. thanks so much for being with us a new our of cnn news

central starts right now she's back and says, nothing >> will stop her from trying. donald trump in the georgia election subversion case, district attorney fani willis, return to the fulton county courtroom after donald trump's legal team failed to have her removed from the case today, the former president, hoping to get the case thrown out altogether. plus the stars will come out for a massive fundraising event tonight that has already hauled in millions for president biden who you might expect to see tonight and caught on camera the frantic effort to free passengers trapped inside a vehicle. i'm sarah sign-in with john berman, fredricka whitfield here for kate baldwin today, this is cnn news central >> this morning, we are standing by to see fulton

county district attorney fani willis enter the courtroom for the first time since efforts to disk qualify her fail. >> this is >> a hearing in the state's election subversion case against donald trump. trump is trying to get the case dismissed this morning on free speech each first amendment grounds, those similar efforts from other defendants have failed >> we can also >> here the da push for a trial date soon. we know she wants to start in in august. seen as zach cohen watching all of this, zach, what do you expect to see today >> yeah, john, today's hearing really underscores how this case against donald trump and his co-defendants in georgia continues to move forward, even as we're waiting to see if an appeals court is going to review judge mcafee decision to allow fani willis to remain on the case. but look, today, we're going to hear oral arguments on a variety of different motions, including one filed by trump's lead attorney, steve sadow, in the georgia case. he's going to argue that, look, the whole indictment should be against trump should be thrown out because the actions described in there and in the criminal charges against trump are protected by the first

amendment, by the political speech protections in the first amendment, i want to read what say it out, wrote in his in his motion submitted to the court before today's hearing, he wrote the first amendment and affording the broadest protection to political speech and discussion regarding governmental affairs. not only embraces, but encourages exactly the kind of behavior under attack in this indictment. as you mentioned, too, we've heard similar arguments that have been made in front of judge mcafee and in other cases that have not been successful. so it'll be interesting to see if mcafee, how he questions trump's attorney and what how prosecutors pushed back against that argument today in open court, as you mentioned, is it's all gonna be broadcast labs. we will get to see it for ourselves. >> but meanwhile, >> big picture fani willis is really trying to shift attention back to the case, back to the criminal charges again since donald trump and his remaining co-defendants, we've spent about two months talking about fani willis is personal life, but take a listen to what she said when we caught up with her at an unrelated event in atlanta and asked her about the state of the criminal case in georgia that's not something that i ban embarrassing in any way and

i know that i have not done anything that's illegal. >> there are >> efforts to slow down its train, but the train is coming so as you mentioned, we're still waiting for a trial date to be said, fani willis has asked judge mcafee to put an >> august 5 start date on the calendar, and i'm told that she could re-up that request at some point in the near future, but we have to wait and see if judge mcafee does ultimately set a date. and is that before the 2024 election? >> there are republican efforts to investigate fani willis. where do they stand >> yeah. >> it looks like one of the people that are trying to one of the people who are trying to slow down this case, that volume bowles was talking about is congressman jim jordan, the republican close ally of donald trump. he issued a subpoena to willis for documents from her office related to their financial records several months ago, fani willis responding yesterday, providing some documents, but also hitting back at jordan and accusing him of conducting a political investigation into her office. she wrote back in her letter yesterday saying nothing that you do will derail the efforts of my staff and i to bring the election

interference prosecution to trial. my family, my staff, and i have been threatened repeatedly by people making violent, often racist attacks. neither those threads nor anything your colleagues and you say or do will deter us from fulfilling our duty to bring this case to trial. so obviously willis defiant, just on the heels of this effort to disqualify, are still pushing for a trial date before the 2024 election and not letting it get sidetracked by efforts by trump's allies in congress, even two to slow down her case. >> again, this hearing, we're expecting this morning, it will be televised. some of the interpersonal dynamics will be very interesting to watch that cohen great to see you this morning. thank you very much, fred. >> all right, john. so where is trump today what is his mindset and what's its plan ahead of today's hearing in georgia, cnn's kristen holmes has something new formation this morning and is joining us right now, kristen, what are you learning for trigger? let's start with georgia because >> this is where his team is going to be monitoring today. i talked to a number of advisors who said that they are aware that these first amendment cases in the past have not been

successful. but last night, one adviser reminding me that trump's lawyers, which they do offer get paid a lot of money to exhaust every single avenue all of this being their efforts to try and delay any sort of trial until after the election that has been their goal the entire time. and i will remind you, they felt very good after the fani willis decision, despite the fact that willis could stay on the case, they felt that it was a scathing report and damaged her publicly, but they will keep an eye on that the other thing of what donald trump is doing today, you are going to see him in new york. he is going to the wake of the nypd officer who was shot and killed at a traffic stop in queens. earlier this week, again, that is in new york and there is a reason that you're going to hear about them this trip from donald trump's team, they are going to try and contrast donald trump again, go into the wake of this fallen nypd officer with joe biden also being in new york and attending this glitzy as they say, glamorous fundraiser to see a little bit of a political angle

there as well. but when it comes to georgia, they will have their eye on this hearing to see if anything does come of it >> all right. kristen holmes, thanks so much, sarah. >> all right. four dead, seven injured in a stabbing rampage outside of chicago. what police are saying about the man accused of terrorizing a neighborhood in the middle of the day will take you also aboard a cargo ships simulator that can help investigators find more answers. in the baltimore bridge collapse a robot police dog taking a bullet in the line of duty, posse police saving the officers life. we will have more on that story ahead. >> there is no media personality businesswoman >> celebrity chef leichhardt >> mini large of martha stewart now streaming on macs welcome.

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going to walk us through possibly what could have happened in a total blackout situation as you call it, a board, the dali? yes. so we have the cadet simulating the made on watch. we have another cadet on the helm go left 15, please >> and the dali would have lost both propulsion and steering out a full blackout. they would have lost everything. full blackout can call it. correct. so we could run the blackout right now from the control room >> there we go. alarms will start going off on the bridge, arms, start getting alarms and made a watch. it's going to try to figure out what the alarm is. the engine room is now calling to tell us what's going i went on british maiden launch. >> and in this situation where you can see the pylon coming and you know, it is disaster can you drop the anchor? what, what are the you guys trained for these scenarios? >> we're gonna, you're gonna try to do everything you can to stop from hitting whether it's running the engine full of stern to take the speed off, we've already come down to almost stopped on the water now. and then we'd be letting

the anchors out if we couldn't get the speed off the vessel, you can draw lower both anchors down and have them drag or catch along the bottom to create resistance to slow the ship down. but for that to work, you need time and you need since the captain's going to be dealing with the engine room and getting on the phone and figuring out what's going on so that they will be going over, grabbing room would be i think that's where the real chaos that's what a real chaos is. so now if they call back and say we have power, the first thing we're gonna do is then go emergency full a stern to try to stop because it sounds like they do establish power just before they hit the pilot, hit the bread zillow smoke comes out. they start trying to go with get the speed off. >> this must have been high anxiety at this point on the bridge trying to deal with this incredibly stressful watching that first video clip. when i saw the total power go out on the ship, i knew there was a major problem going on. >> so one of the things we wanted to show you was what it would look like night. we shut

the simulation during the day so we could see everything. but this is much more what it would have looked like for the dali in baltimore harbor it complicates things at night again, it does. >> you have >> you need the bridge dark so you can see the lights outside, but you also have ambient light from the skyline or the terminal coming in also, in darkness, you lose some depth perception, which makes it a little challenging to actually judge or distances as well. so it complicates moving around the bridge at night. and this is you teach it state university, new york maritime college. i take it what happened in baltimore harbor will be studied for decades. it will it will become one of those tragic accidents that we take lessons learned from. and then we apply them to what we're teaching the students of what to do in an emergency on the bridge of a ship >> and miguel is with us now. that was so instructive to be able to see it from the perspective of the cabin and anxiety provoking it was stressful for me to be in there when he was trying to direct

these guys that's the that information from the engineering room is what they were trying to get more than anything that they will be looking for from the black boxes. but more importantly, all the metrics from all the different systems on the ships. and as they said in the press conference last night, they may not have a lot of that information patient, but what systems we're going up, what systems we're going down when they were and why is what they will, they will study that for decades to come. >> the timing of all this, it was interesting to hear the captains say the timing was so crucial because they could have dropped the anchors and dragged slowly who tried to get out. >> they had >> a half-mile more to try hi to stop that made it made it all the difference. if they were a quarter-mile further along and could have cleared the bridge, they would have been in the chesapeake and that would have been a different story. it was just horrendous timing. >> miguel marquez. thank you so much. it's really good piece. john all right. >> what is that sound you're hearing across manhattan political calls. it a money

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biden campaign released projections of what it is calling the most successful fundraiser in american political history. 25 million. president biden, former president obama and clinton will be there. there will be joined by lizzo, mindy kaling, queen latifah, steven cole, bear, seen in chief, national affairs correspondent, jeff zeleny, a celebrity in his own right is with us this morning. >> this >> is a lot of money for one event, jeff john, and certainly is. i mean, the biden campaign is calling this the most successful fundraiser ever and $25 and counting they say it could go even higher because there is a big, small dollar contribution, people can still send in 25 bucks or so to watch some of this event online. but look, the bottom line of all of this is the biden campaign is doing quite well in the fundraising they have surpassed the trump campaign and the rnc, a significantly and it always helps when you have a few former president's at your side. but john, that is perhaps

what is so interesting about all of this there has been so much intrigue of course, about what the former president's think about president biden's reelection bid, of course, both barack obama and bill clinton are younger than president joe biden and president joe biden ran for president before either of them. so just the history of this alone is so extraordinary, it's a rare meeting of the democratic side, of the presidents club, if you will, of course, absent jimmy carter, who is still in georgia and george w bush, of course, also not there, but they are running against donald trump's. so that's why this is so extraordinary. but john, if you think back to history, sometimes president's are the best explainers of presidents themselves. so bill clinton and barack obama will be called upon by the biden campaign to try and not only unify the democratic party but also build up some of those coalitions that fraying biden coalition that really has happened. but the fascinating part of tonight, stephen colbert will be holding a conversation with all three democratic presidents, bill clinton, barack obama, and joe biden.

they're supposed to be talking about to the biden accomplishments but you almost have to wonder if they will be a venturing into their own nostalgia as well. john. >> well, have you ever heard a conversation with the former president where they don't delve into their own accomplishments is generally, generally the first, second, or third thing, or maybe all three of the first second, that third thing yeah, it'll be interesting, very interesting here. jeff this comes at a moment. where democrats across the country are trying to push the notion they're feeling. they say a little better the last few days about the campaign, at least that's what they're saying. >> look, that is exactly what this is designed to do to show democrats that president biden has got this and we're told that it was very interesting meeting last friday at the white house. actually with president biden and former president barack obama, they were coming together to celebrate the anniversary of the affordable care act, arguably one of the biggest achievements they had to go other, but former president obama in a private

conversation, we're told with the president said that he really liked his state of the union message and he believes that that is something that is going to begin to get democrats on their side. and the reason this matters, john, if you look at president biden's approval rating, it's been historically low. one of the reasons is democrats, people on his own side don't necessarily really think he's doing well, so they're trying to first get democrats in line and then work on those independent swing voters later. but there's no doubt that this is designed to sort of give president biden a lift of boost. but there's also no doubt that this is an incredibly tough election talking to former advisers, to the former president, president biden, he is gravely concerned sir, and i'm told about the closeness of this selection. but look at him to be an active player at the end of this campaign in the fall when the voting begins, not necessarily every week, every moment until november jeff zeleny, great to see you this morning. thanks so much for coming on >> bread. >> all right, john. and this cnn exclusive, you never know what larry david is going to say. well, he's weighing in on president tromping you don't

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that he's thrown 250 years of democracy out the window, but not accepting the results of, i mean, it's so crazy. he's such a sociopath. he's so insane. he just couldn't admit to losing. and we know he lost. he knows he lost and look how he's fooled everybody. he's convinced all these people that he didn't lose it's such a sick man. he is so sick anyway, no, it hasn't impacted me at all >> that's the quintessential harry david right there. they're full conversation streams tomorrow on who's talking to chris wallace with me now seen in senior political, actually a senior data reporter, whatever you want a lot of wars, they threw him. i don't want you put chief in there cnn's chief data reporter. i'm gonna get in trouble for that harry enten, it's great to see you look what larry david was talking about. there is election denialism, which is very much in the news this

week, the rnc now reportedly with a litmus tests asking people, did donald trump actually lose the election? >> talk >> to us about what the polls are saying about this idea of election denialists. yeah. >> if we look on republicans, right? republicans on biden's 2020 win legitimate. let's go back to december of 2021, 39% said it was legitimate, 58%, it was 58% said it was illegitimate. july to december of 2023 those opinions have not, in any way shifted towards the actual truth. they have actually straight further into the untruth. now, 67% of republicans believed that the 2020 election was illegitimate. of course they are, i'm fantasy island everything that we know from the real data said that election was legitimate, yet republicans are on this fantasy island >> some of that seems to be correlated to what they're watching on tv? yes. yes. so this to me, i just i love digging deep into the cross tabs and finding something interesting republicans who believed the 2020 election was

legitimate, if you're a mainstream media follow, let's say you're watching nbc news. if you're republican, 58% of those folks believe the election was legitimate. but if you're following conservative media, look this just 23% believe the election was legitimate we're talking fox news, we're talking oh ann, we're talking newsmax. very few of those voters believed that republicans believed the election was legitimate. far more republicans who follow the mainstream media actually believe the truth. >> my statistics professor no doubt is yelling at the screen right now. i said it was a correlation. we don't know whether it's correlation or causation, but it's there. it's there, it's there. now, what about this? the of a litmus tests the rnc apparently asking people who want to work for them what they think about the election, what about the idea of it as a litmus test among all republicans, they don't like the idea of a litmus tests, right most republicans believed that there should not, in fact, b. litmus tests only 38% believed that there should be compared to the hardcore trump akre, those who backed him at the very beginning of the campaign, the majority of those do in fact believe that the parties should

not be accepting of those who do not believe the election essentially saying, you better believe that the election was illegitimate. if in fact you're going to be a public official. but among all republicans, no, they don't believe there's it should be a litmus test. but among those hardcore trump backers, they absolutely believed that there should face this is who's running the rnc? yeah, that's exactly right. talk to me about voters as, as a whole because we've only been talking about republicans up until all adults i'm biden's win most americans believed that biden's win was legitimate, stuck and all this conversation about just focusing on republicans, most americans believe that the 2020 election was legitimate. 36% still a very large portion believe it's illegitimate, but that's focused mostly among republicans. you're looking among independents, you're looking monk democrat, you're looking overall, most of those folks, in fact, do believe the election was legitimate, which of course it was jon harrison. thank you very >> much. that was terrific. sarah >> all right. this morning, the election interference case against donald trump will get back on track and georgia after the failed effort to disqualify fulton county district attorney, fani willis will assess nothing will derail her from bringing the case against

the former president and his co-defendants joining me now to discuss former manhattan prosecutor, jeremy saland and former prosecutor for the new york district attorney's office, rebecca roy fee. thank you both for being here, jeremy, i'm going to start with you. what should we be looking for in court when it resumes today in georgia? >> well, hopefully the fiasco has gone to the side and it's no longer there. and what we're looking at is whether or not at this stage in the process, the judge is going to be willing to dismiss this case are here, whether it should be dismissed on his facial a. pardon me. on the first amendment grounds. and we know that this was already addressed previously with one of the prior co-defendant since are two of them? most specifically, mr. chesebro, but i think some of the issues that are going to have play is the judge has already said we need to establish certain facts with you have some things in evidence before i can make that determination, we already heard about how out previously, that application was denied, so i would expect that you're not going to have an answer today. we're going to get an answer going forward >> all right. you just mentioned this sort of talking

about what happened with fani willis as trump's folks went after her trying to get her discredited and disbarred from this k or removed from the case for weeks. that's where the concentration has been. it's been focused on the da, not on this big, huge case, unprecedented against a former president. what's the key you think four rebecca four for her to move forward on this case? reshift the focus to the rico case involving the former president >> it all depends on how well she can argue these underlying motions and keep the case on track so she says the training his coming, but it remains to be seen. there's a cloud over this case. the judge did chastise on had some very strong words for her. so now i think she really has to focus on presenting this case in a professional way and putting her strongest foot forward. so here in this first amendment

argument, she needs to make it clear that his words at the political speech was part of an ongoing set of conduct that could be criminalized and therefore is not protected by the first amendment. and she has just to make that argument clearly before the judge, even though it's true that this argument has been made in the past, and the judge has passed on it. i think all eyes are on her to make sure that this is a professional case, moving forward >> what are the defendants in this georgia election cases? former trump attorney john eastman a judge in california, has recently ruled he should be disbarred for his actions and trying to overturn the 2020 election. can this be used against him in that georgia case, jeremy well the same principles are going to apply. it's not whether or not, for example, in that state bar a decision or recommendation is not the actual decision that he was not repetitive. he was not

remorseful, but some of the facts are going to be the same, meaning he was actively engaging in this effort to overturn this election. so the substance of it is going to be the same. the ruling is not a final ruling. it's just ultimately if the ruling from that state court judge, but he is not this bar. he's temporarily not able to practice law. that should not come in. i would argue about what the defense at that has no place for that because it's not a final ruling. it has not come to a conclusion. >> but the underlying elements of that he has not been apologetic. he's not repenting. i'm sure he'll be challenged on that front. but what did he >> specifically do? what were his actions that lead to that point? how did he try to put into the fake elector? how do we try to make it to that pence would not be able to say, you know what, we can sit the real ones, we're going to put these fake ones forward. what were the memos that he drafted? >> how did that impact? georgia? those specific elements to the crimes that potentially overlap? yes, we could hear that, but the decision right now, it's not finalized. i would not expect that final decision would come into the state case in georgia

>> okay. the last time he heard from johnny spin in august was when he surrendered to the fulton county authorities. and let's listen to what he had to say when you're talking about him being unapologetic for what he did during the 2020 election my name is john eastman. i'm here today to surrender to an indictment as troubling. it targets attorneys for their zealous advocacy on behalf of their client in something attorneys are ethically bound to provide. >> do you still think the lecture was stolen >> absolutely. >> absolutely >> still. >> no question. no question. >> do you regret attaching your name to the former president? none whatsoever >> i'm rebecca. you were a a witness for him, although the judge never brought you forward in his one of his cases. can you give us some sense of whether you think he has a case? it's here when he talks about the first amendment and he says he did nothing wrong

>> well, those are choose questions whether or not his his speech was protected by the first amendment. and i think unlike the criminal case, there are serious concerns with the california disciplinary hearing in terms of protected speech because rather than seeking to prove criminal conduct, those disciplinary hearings are really aimed at as he said, his advocacy on behalf of his clients, the words he used on behalf of his client. and i think that that can be problematic and i would have my eye on the court to see what it what it says about that recommendation and whether it upholds the recommendation or at least views some of those charges as potentially problematic under the first amendment. and i think it's really important, even if we condemn certain things that lawyers do, that we are very careful about the first amendment because there may be lawyers in the future who are trying to challenge government

conduct. and we do not want to chill them from doing that in other contexts. >> yeah. i mean, that is your thoughts on his argument about the first minute, jeremy, i'm curious what you think of that argument i. >> think that's a fair argument and an attorney always has to act zealously. a new subjectively not you personally, sarah, but you may not want that person to be. you may deem that person guilty. you may think that person doesn't terrible thing, but an attorney has to be able to advocate for his or her client that being said, words are important too, and that goes back sort of back to our first amendment issue here with trump and his co-defendants. words can be criminal, generally don't think that is a loan as such, but there's a balance here. is a balance of whether or not you're part of that conduct or misconduct. and there's a balance of whether or not your actions are improper you have to, be careful to allow defense attorneys to do their job, but you still does not give you the right to step over that line? >> yeah. there were those two memos that were sent to the

vice president encouraging him to six points on how to overturn a stop the election from going forward. we'll have to see what the judge decides and all of this and what the jury decides in all of this as well. jeremy saland and rebecca roy fee. thank you both so much for your analysis fredricka. >> all right. sara investigators are searching for a motive in the deadly stabbing spree across an illinois neighborhood, a 22-year-old is now in custody, accused of killing four people, including a 15-year-old girl and injuring seven others. first responders had multiple crime scenes in a matter of minutes. cnn's veronica miracle is joining us now from chicago. so veronica, what more do we know about the suspect? >> fredreka, that 22-year-old man was taken into custody just a half an hour after that initial 911 call first went into police, which came in as a home invasion, but as to why this happened, police do not have a clear understanding of a motive here as to why this person went on a killing spree? in multiple areas in the city

of rockford, as you mentioned, four people have been killed, including 15 girl, a 63-year-old woman, a 49 year-old man, and a 22-year-old man. one of those people was a mail carrier and another seven people were injured in this attack here, including a person who was able to get away during that initial home invasion according to police, take a listen >> young lady ran from she got some stab wounds in their hands, in her face, she's currently at a hospital she is intubated. she hasn't serious condition >> police say this is a massive investigation of those victims who were injured, not all of them were stabbed though some of them were we're still waiting to hear on the extent of the injuries of those hospitalized, but were told that many of them are in serious condition. community leaders, they are now setting up a visual for later this afternoon as people are trying to make sense of exactly why

this happened back to you, fredreka? >> yeah, for so many internal a taupe, they have a full recovery. thank you so much. veronica miracle sarah. all right. on our radar for you this morning, prisoner exchange talks for wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich. are ongoing according to a kremlin spokesperson, dmitry to peskov says those discussions must be carried out in silence to prevent complications earlier this week, a moscow court extended gershkovich his attention until the end of june and just talk reminder this week marks a year that gershkovich has been imprisoned in russia for doing his job as a journalist there cases of mpox, formerly known as monkeypox, are on the rise and the united states that case count is twice as high as they weren't this time last year, transmission rates are still far below levels from 2022, but experts say low vaccination rates are leaving a lot of people at risk. and police are using a recent shooting as an example of the importance accordance of robotic technology. massachusetts state

police said members of the bomb squad to help with a standoff earlier this month and deployed a robot dog named roscoe to go inside the suspect inside, knocked it over, and shot it several times. police say it's a good example of why robots can help keep members of law enforcement hey while still getting an inside look at a chaotic seen the suspect, by the way in custody and some incredible video this morning of a florida car crash which and the amazing display of human strength that followed here you can see the collision at an intersection. this is daytona beach, florida were an suv tipped over with the driver still inside bystanders, you see them, they are pushing on the truck, including some from other cars involved in the crash, immediately jumping into action there's that hit again helping to flip the suv upright again, most first responders would say it's best to leave the car where it is before you get there, but fortunately in this case no one was seriously hurt. and new research showing

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crashed into the bridge, of course, which is false. there's absolutely no evidence for that another another one was the captain of the ship was impaired in some way by the code over 19 vaccine. again, totally false. nothing happened with the captain others are claiming, obviously anti-symmetric and ukraine undertones that israel or ukraine, where somehow responsible for the attack. and also, it just kinda got a bit wilder and wilder after it is there was an obama, the obamas produced a movie on netflix that had a tanker ship run aground in it. so therefore, the obamas had something to do with this and then of course these conspiracy theories and this now tragic event was taken used as a political battering ram in our culture wars in this country at the moment. and people decided to blame dei,

diversity and inclusion policies some way for the crashing of this ship it what spreads these once these are posted, how do they get spread so quickly? donie >> yeah. i mean, that was a pretty remarkable thing is that we saw the numbers immediately on tuesday morning and it was tens of millions of people saw these posts. >> it's very possible >> that tens of millions of americans woke up on tuesday morning and before for they actually saw the news before they actually saw the facts of what happened in baltimore. they would have read some of these conspiracy theories and i think john, look, there's always been conspiracy theories about sort of any cataclysmic events in the united states around the world. but i think what is different about what we're seeing right now is just the speed and also essentially just the volume of conspiracy theories immediately that will pop up basically on any event. i mean, we're talking about this today because obviously this is a huge story. the

bridge collapse and the virality of these posts. but really the notable thing about this is how it is not us extraordinary. there are, there's an alternate reality right? being created every day. what are its taylor swift shrinking the super bowl, or whether it is the 2020 election being rigged in favor of joe biden, both of which are false, but more and more americans are living in this world and look the people who are making in this misinformation and disinformation are spreading as they're being rewarded greatly because platforms like x, which formerly twitter, now owned by elon musk payson certain in certain cases, for post to go viral and viral posts can oftentimes be false and scandalous and outlandish and false so there's just this whole industry there and i think what really we should take a step back and just see like this is the landscape that we're going into the 2024 election and you can just see

how well oiled machine the disinformation industry as >> well, instead of paying attention to that, let's think about the, let's think about the lives that were lost in the lives of thousands of lives effective from the workers in baltimore, donie o'sullivan. thank you so much. an important report. appreciate it. >> fred. right. here's a different kind of reality check as in the reality new video showing what was happening on that baltimore bridge. just seconds before it collapsed into the river after a cargo ship rammed into it. a final few cars made it safely to the other side. but those flashing lights that you see on the bridge are vehicles believed to belong to the construction workers who did not make it off the bridge and time. and you can also see just to the right of the bridge, the cargo ship. you can see the lights. they're just seconds before it actually hit the pillar joining me right now, former ntsb investigator, charlie pereira good to see you. charlie's so the ntsb

chair, jennifer homendy, says that the investigation could take up to two years, help us understand what will happen in that two-year period. it would seem the focus is going to be on the vessel. write these reports of whether there was dirty fuel or why this during mechanisms simply failed. is it secondary the secondary portion of the investigation going to be the actual bridge and why it collapsed the way it did well they're going to collect all of the facts. for every portion of the investigation the boat the maritime side, the highway side they're going to collect all of the information including information about what the federal highway administration and the state of maryland did since the ntsb over the last 50 years, has investigated dozens of these and issued numerous recommendations over the last

50 years. calling for states and the federal highway administration to take a look at the risks posed by vessel strikes on bridges. and encouraging them to do something about it, such as protect these bridges and i guess in this case, the federal highway administration in the state of maryland decided not to act on this bridge, even though this is probably this in the bay bridge, it goes from annapolis to kent island, are probably the two most significant and at-risk bridges in terms of traffic exposure on a daily basis? so hopefully the investigation will look at what or why the federal highway administration and the state of maryland didn't act on the ntsb recommendations over the last 50 years? >> well, it's been stated that this investigation could take two years. surely, there will be a i guess, more of a pinpointing of the cause. what happened to that vessel? well, before that time, don't you think?

>> yeah, they're going to look at that. but in my eyes dash just another data point. it doesn't really the big picture of transportation safety it doesn't really matter why it happened we know that there are an infinite number of reasons why these things can happen. bad fuel dropper rudder, intentional acts. there's always going to be some other reason. an infinite number of solutions for a large vessel like this critical bridge structure and unless you put in place protective devices to prevent those impacts from occurring. and the failure to the bridge occurring from those impacts. you're always going to have these it's just a matter of time and statistical the testicle probability until the accident so from a safety point is very frustrating to see action not be taken to

mitigate. these impacts do occur >> all right, so that that focal point of the infrastructure of the bridge the key bridge, did not have any redundancy. it's a fracture critical bridge help better explain what that means. i mean, it it all collapses when a portion of it is compromised. but how do you see this latest example? perhaps? >> being important >> when trying to construct bridges of our future >> well, there's different ways that you can design it, just like on airplanes. airplanes have triple were done systems and double are done in systems such that if one fails, they have other backups that continue to safe operation and the same thing with the bridge you can either design it so that if a ship strikes want and takes one out, there's still enough structural rigidity and support to not cause the entire bridge to collapse or you can

design like they did on this one, with a single point failure and then do everything you can can to protect that point by building a variety of structural protection mechanisms to prevent the single point failure from occurring. and the ntsb has delved into recommendations in that regard for almost 50 years now, as a result of numerous bridge strikes like this that they've investigated in the past in florida, georgia elsewhere >> very good. all right. we'll leave it there. charlie pereira, a formerly of the ntsb. thank you so much. and i knew our the cnn news room, new central starts right now >> very shortly, fulton county district attorney fani willis, we'll be back in the courtroom for the first time since the judge allowed her to stay on the election subversion case donald trump'