the true value of things i saw him ready to reclaim friendships that had been seared by disagreements ready to look for ways to bridge divisions ready to seek reconciliation, ready to stand for his principles, always >> senator joe lieberman was at years old >> the >> news continues, right here on cnn for, our next breaking news, trump appealing the judge's decision to keep fani willis on the georgia case. this is we're learning about new the developments in the manhattan hush money case is prompt about to face and even stricter gag order. >> plus >> putin jailing more americans using them as bar are getting chips. as evan gershkovich, march one year in prison today and paul whelan is in his fifth year. we'll talk to their friends and family and america's top costs judge

negotiator and biden on offense, mocking trump, targeting republican voters and raising massive amounts of cash is this a turning point in his campaign? let's go out front >> good evening. i'm brianna keilar in for erin burnett outfront tonight. breaking news, there are major developments in two of trump's high-profile trials. first, at late filing by trump's team to reverse a judge's decision that allowed fulton county deal he a fani willis to stay on the election interference case against trump, writing quote, de a willis has covered herself and her office in scandal and disrepute as she has squandered her credibility and repeatedly and flagrantly violated the heightened ethical standards demanded of her position. the evidence of her forensic misconduct inductors overwhelming and her disqualification is required now, this move is not just aimed at ousting willis because of her pass relationship with their former top prosecutor.

it's also another example of trump's tried and true legal strategy that has worked so well for him. and that is delay delay, delay. >> the georgia court of appeals has 45 days to decide whether it will take the case >> if they >> decline, trump could then take the case. two, the georgia supreme court, and it's unclear how this appeal will impact the timing. but remember, willis wants to start this case in august and she has vowed to not let anything stop her i do think that there are efforts to slow down and train, but the train is coming >> if willis gets her way, it's unlikely the case ends before the election. but what we could see, our months of televised hearings were talking wall to wall coverage with a number of damning witnesses testified and even trump possibly taking the stand, and it would all be taking place in the days and weeks leading up to the presidential election. there's also breaking news tonight out of new york where

trump's team is accusing prosecutors in the hush money trial of trying to expand the gag order after trump attack, the judge and his daughter online line katelyn polantz is outfront live for us and washington caitlin, tell us more about the trump team's appeal strategy. >> well, in the appeal in the fulton county case against fani willis, that case remains with the trial judge and it's moving forward to trial, but they are trying to get fani willis tossed off the case and they are attacking her in both of these developments today, brianna, we are seeing trump pudding in the spotlight the people who are managing the cases against him in this situation, the prosecutor, the da's office, funding hey, willis, we do hear him say in that statement that you just read in his appeal filing that the evidence is overwhelming against her of having some sort of ethical misconduct. the trial judge did look at it and look at the evidence, had evidentiary hearings, and decided that was not the case. that she could continue

prosecuting and her relationship with her top prosecutor didn't influence the case against donald trump, but trump wants that to be overturned, and that's why he's appealing today. >> and how significant could this gag order extension be? >> well, this >> is something that is >> coming two weeks about just before the trial starts in the first criminal case against donald trump as a defendant in this case, what has already taken places, the judge said he wants to protect witnesses court staff, their families, prosper uterus staff, others who are involved in the case in behind the scenes, not or just not as prominently as the top people who we talk about all the time, such as da alvin bragg there in manhattan but trump has come out to attack the judges daughter by name and so the prosecutors want clarification. >> they used >> $110 word in their letter to the court today. they said he

is being contu meshes, which is something where you say a defendant in court is being especially disobedient to the law, there should be sanctions, there should be more specific direction to donald trump to knock it off, to stop talking about the judge's daughter. and there should be a clarification from the court that that's not what they meant by this order, that it wasn't just applicable to people working below the judge, it should be applicable to the judge's family as well. so that is all getting set as we move toward this trial where donald trump will be in the courtroom before a judge juan merchan in new york. whenever he's presiding over this and his attorneys are now trying to defend the comments that he has made about that judges daughter saying that this is campaign speech or it's his first amendment right in your order, wasn't specific enough does seem like, uh, judges family should be off-limits. caitlin. thank you so much for that report. out front now, ryan

goodman are outfront legal expert also with this anthony michael christ law professor at georgia state university, who has been following this case extensively. >> and >> we have democratic strategists, basil michael with this as well. ryan, how does this appeal affect the timeline for the georgia election case >> so it might affect it dramatically if the appeals court would issue a stay. in other words, to spend the trial process of the pretrial process until they decide whether or not to disqualify fani willis. but if they don't issue a stay, then it doesn't necessarily affect the timeline at all. the train keeps churning along in terms of pretrial motions heading towards a trial while they determine what happens with disqualification. so it's yet to be seen, but it's a smart play by trump because it could certainly result in that kind of a delay >> anthony, the appeals court has 45 days to decide. do you think they're going to take that long >> generally know. so i think what we will see is a decision within 30 days. it's standard

practice for the court of appeals to make these decisions within 30 days because there were other kinds of appeals which also have a 30-day deadline so just for consistency sake, they tried to expedite the process on these interlocutory appeals. so i think we'll see something more sun than not and i also think that funny rules and her office, they are going to want to respond quickly in order to make sure things move along as fast as they can as well. >> yeah. and basil trump and his co-defendants tried to get willis disqualified this case. of course, they failed. now they're trying again, how much is this though about dragging her name through the mud and delegitimising the outcome in the event that trump is found guilty. >> well, >> i think it's very much >> about that. and you touched on that in the lead up to this segment that there are two issues here. one that trump is trying to defame the district attorney. she's he's trying to sort of bring back to light a lot of what we heard in those in those hearings over those few days it was messy nobody

really wanted to hear that and go through that. but he wants to be able to bring a lot of that up again, so it's a about discrediting her and be about as we talked about prolonging this because you'll have more opportunity to say to his supporters, look, they're coming after me, but i'm going to continue to fight for you she clearly knows that anthony willis was notably not in court yesterday you had other members of her team who were driving things. it was the first court appearance since judge mcafee ruled that yes, she could stay on the case, but he also delivered a blistering rebuke of her behavior. do you think that she's going to continue to lay low? >> well, i think there's a few different issues here, so of course we're in the middle of a campaign season and fani bolus is up for reelection. she has a general election opponent, as well as it opponent in the primary and the democratic primary here in fulton county and so there will be plenty of opportunities for her to speak. and i think the real issue here is as is appeal

was pending, and as the campaign season ramps up the right that they inclination and the motivation to speak to the press is really there for her. but at the same time, it's a high risk reward ratio because if she slips up or says something or as misconstrued in some way, that could be really damaging for her case and for her keeping retaining this case in our office. so that's something to watch, but i do think that we'll see her probably appear in court a little bit more, particularly as we get closer to trial and we get away from these pretrial motions which have been handled by other members of the da's office and i contracted a special prosecutors as well. >> ryan in new york, trump's lawyers claim manhattan prosecutors are looking to expand trump's gag order in the stormy daniels hush money case. we talked about this after the da's office asked for clarification in the wake of trump attacking the judges daughter by name on social

media, the current gag order notably does not apply to the judge or his family. do you think that that's going to change >> i think it's a very good likelihood that it does change there's something of a weakness in de, a bragg's letter today because he tries to argue that the gag order does currently apply to the judges. daughter, but it doesn't really the gag order refers to family members of court staff. and then if you look at what de bragg himself had submitted in the initial motion for the gag order, he distinguishes between the judge and court staff and the dc circuit, which upheld the gag order that this one track's completely identically and its land language specifically the dc circuit said, the judge is not included, so currently, this person is vulnerable. the daughter of the judge. i think there's every reason to include her. there's no reason for the defendant to go after the family members and the daughter of the judge it also not only endangers her for

sure, but it also pollutes the jury pool because that's the argument. it's he's actually making allegations against her that apparel to be false allegations about a social media account that she does not actually run. >> i >> think there's every reason for the judge to expand the order, not to clarify the existing order, but to just protect others. and in fact, to protect the process itself is what the judge would be doing. >> basil, if that happens, it would be uncharacteristic for trump to not claim that he's been silenced, that you'd expect the need capitalize on this. how worried would you be about that? that it would help him politically >> well i think it's interesting because i believe that a lot of voters are starting to become more attuned to this. but you add the fit the instances of the fani willis case with this appeal, the strategy from the trump team is to take the attention away from his actual actions. and put it on other individuals. we're going to target fani willis in the da's office. we're going to target the judge and his family and

you had a federal judge on this network earlier talking about how dangerous that is not just four of the individuals involved, but for the institutions and their ability to actually function properly. so i think what democrats are going to be doing is zooming out a bit, not getting into the legal the leaves in the day-to-day, but focusing interestingly enough with democrats on values, not ceding that to republicans in the cycle and really talking about these larger values, protecting democracy, but also protecting democratic institutions that includes judges, their families, and the district attorney's that that prosecute crimes >> basil, thank you so much, ryan and anthony. thank you as well. >> now for our next erase >> against time to get four tons of what is left of the key bridge off the ship that slammed into it. this as the crew is still on board, plus the growing number of american prisoners in russia, wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich is now been there

an entire year and former us marine paul whelan, five years >> they don't do well, thanks. >> i'm stuck here. and if i'm stuck here, i die here. their >> friends and family along with the top us negotiator are my guests. and putin coming to kim jong un defense on the world stage is kim desperately seeks new allies over fears that trump could be returning to the white house. we >> have a special report >> seven astronauts shutting off on a scientific mission, columbia, houston check. >> i didn't know anything concerning it happened. there were people that did though >> the space shuttle accident it's usually not one thing, it's a series of events >> you follow the debris. what's it telling you >> it should have had that test on day one? >> the media cigarette, what the hell happened >> space shuttle columbia, final flight and mirror sunday,

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love were tavo prison. he's charged with espionage and the us government says that claim is baseless and has designated him as wrongfully detained friends say russia is holding him hostage for avid family >> tonight will hear from one of verse cove, which is colleagues from the wall street journal as well as the sister of paul whelan, who has been imprisoned in russia for five years now. and i'll be talking to the top us negotiate are working on both of the cases first, though fred pleitgen, his outfront with the latest on the growing number of americans held prisoner in russia >> no media allowed at evan gershkovich is most recent court hearing in moscow, just this short clip by the court's press service despite a year and a russian jail, a defiance smile from the wall street

journal reporter. no surprise. his detention was extended yet, again through june 30th the us ambassador to russia, ripping into the verdict, the accusations against seven are categorically untrue. they are not a different interpretation of circumstances they are fiction >> evan gershkovich was arrested and charged with espionage a year ago while on assignment in yekaterinburg, central russia gangs, i was motoring time. you see if >> i do not know if there are any other cases, but the allegations made by our intelligence services today, we're not related to his journalism. >> is >> near usually squeegee the wall street journal and gershkovich, stanley strong we denied the allegations, work out the halyna ivanovo of the financial times is one of evans best friends and still keeps and regular contact with him writing letters. >> he's doing remarkably well. he's absolutely staying strong. he's not allowing himself to to waller to get too upset by everything. in fact,

he spends most of his time in letters to us trying to make us feel better >> just covid spaces, a jail sentence of up to 20 years if convicted. but cnn has reported that gershkovich and former us marine paul he lynne were part of a proposed prisoner swap with a now dead opposition leader, alexey navalny the russian president taunted on his reelection day that he approved a swap on the condition he'd get back a high-profile russian intelligence officer in prison for murder in germany, the diem krasikov off the person who spoke to me had not finished his sentence yet. i said i agree, but unfortunately, what happened happened for those close to evan that means the waiting continues outcome uncertain when you see britain talk about it. in very clear terms that this is what they want to see happen, that they are looking for a deal. just gives you hope that at some point this will that he will be home. he needs to be home needs to be back with his family, with his friends and rionda the

kremlin has once again said that there are indeed contacts between the us and russia regarding possible prisoner swap. however, they say that those kinda talks need to happen in absolute silence. otherwise it could prevent any positive outcomes from happening. brianna fred pleitgen. thank you for that report. >> out front. now, paul beckett, wall street journal assistant editor, who worked closely with evin on stories that he was reporting out of russia. and paul, i know that you were part of the brain trust that came up with this, which i want to show our viewers here. this is the powerful front page of the wall street journal today with the words, his story should be here and tonight you see an urgent deadline to bring evan home. tell us why we just feel that one year. it's a moment to say we need to re-up our efforts and he just got detained for another three months and we think that's going to be a critical period we don't know when it will be a trial. we've seen no evidence for this space. so let's charge. but at

some point we assume that will happen. and we were just love to get him home before it does >> i know you spent hours with evin sister yesterday and you've told us that evan was actually able to get flowers to his mom and to assist are from the russian prison that he's in this month for international women's day what is his family telling you about their interactions with them >> i think we always knew evan was a great reporters who i hired him is just turned out to be such a remarkable young man with a remarkable family and tough as it is, they have been inspirational to this entire year with their strengths. and i think they're in a good, mutually supportive loop under the toughest two circumstances. so we're just really grateful and we look forward to helping them continue that. >> you would work closely with ebit on stories. were washington and moscow were overlapping. and i know that you looked back today. it's some of your last emails that you had with evin before he was arrested. can you tell us what they said?

>> yeah. i haven't covered a great range of things. obviously, he was a mosque good correspondent for us. he was also involved in ukraine war coverage he we compare notes about political prisoners in russia because that's been a big story that everyone's reported on an she years. so he was covering the gamut of things and he was there as an accredited report or the russian government had given him permission to be reporting from russia and this is what happened terms. so he really was covering everything that all the hot topics of russia in the last couple of years >> i dynamically, paul, thank you so much. paul beckett, we appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. we really appreciate your support. thank you very much. >> as the world calls for the release of evan gershkovich, american paul whelan is also desperately hoping for a deal to bring him home. the former us marine was sentenced to 16 years after being arrested in russia in 2018 cnn's jennifer

hansler speaking recently with paul from the remote prison for he's been held >> remind the president and the national security council that i'm still here being held hostage by the russian government and the biden administration has got to take decisive action to secure my release. if they don't do anything, i'm stuck here. and if i'm stuck here, i die here >> out front now paul, sister elizabeth whelan elizabeth, thank you for taking the time with us this evening. this one-year anniversary of evan gershkovich, his detention is reminding people about your brother. he's been held now for five years. what is your hope for getting paul out? >> well, you know, we're very glad to see the spotlight being shared on wrongful detention in general. and i have to say that the administration and the speed, how group, the special presidential envoy for hostage affairs team, they brought 46 americans home. and so we have to hold onto hope it's been a

terribly long time. and i can't imagine what polish going through but we just have to keep on until we get him home as well >> we know that he has been assaulted in prison, that he was punched by another inmate and a sewing room sort of like one of the ones that you see in the video. here, put out by russian state media. he told cnn about his fears after the sudden unexpected death of putin critic alexey navalny. i want to play a little bit of that get to him he can get to me and what that means is if they are willing to to face the repercussions from the world for doing in somebody like navalny, they are not going to think twice about doing in someone like me and then blaming united states for not bothering get me back in five years >> can you tell us your worries about paul safety, especially here recently?

>> oh, yeah. i mean, i believe paul is exactly right. i mean, we are dealing with basically a mafia gang, not a functioning government. and we think about pole and what he's going through. he's lived every day for over five years now in squalid awful conditions, he's been in this prison camp every day, waking up wondering when he is he going to be able to come home? when will the russians let him go? and every day has to end knowing that he has to repeat the cycle over and over again and we can't give up on the people who have been held the longest. we really hope that the us will redouble their efforts britz, to bring my brother home. >> you met with president biden earlier this year. >> he >> mentioned paul in his statement today is as he was marking the anniversary of evans detention, the biden administration has said, they hope that they can get a deal in the next 90 days before gershkovich faces trial and things get more if a cold or at

least hope that there's some breathing room to do that. >> how do you see that >> impacting paul? if at all >> it's so difficult to know we can't predict what the russians will try to do if they'll try to manipulate the situation as they did with brittney griner's detention. the crazy thing is russia could be getting people home. they russians could be going home in these deals, but they insist on thumbing their nose at the us and we are not sure what will happen. i do have faith in the administration that they will try but i can't i i don't know what that path forward is >> elizabeth, you have been through so much, your brother has been through so much and we appreciate you talking with us about it tonight. >> thank you >> now, let's talk with roger carson's. he is the us special presidential envoy for hostage affairs. rodgers. roger, i know you talked to these families regularly. you just heard what

elizabeth said there. what what is your response to what she's saying? >> i agree with a lot of it. i mean this is hard case. we're trying to push hard on it in the first case that i ever took about 40 years ago now and elizabeth, i spent a lot of time on the phone and we actually feel like we're partnering with the families, but at the end of the day, she mentioned that the russians have the ability to make the trade that's right paul is to my mind, wrongfully to attain evans wrongfully detained. the russian should just let them go and instead, we're almost in this impossible situation where the united states has to conjure up a very tough to provide proposal in order to bring these two home. >> having >> said that, that's our job. we're going to find a way to get it done let's talk about this time period here in the next few months, evans pretrial detention was just extended. his trial set for june 30. are you worried that if you don't get a deal before then and evan goes to trial, that it made doom him to a second

anniversary in prison we hope so. >> it's really hard to get into the russian system really at the end of the day, the kremlin can speed up or slow down the timeline as much as they want. having said that, we would want to leave anything to chance if there's a way that we can get this done during this next pretrial detention. phase, we would love to do that. in fact, the faster we can get it done, the better, because every day that paul and evan are in prison is a day they're at risk. so if we can speed it up and get it done, we're going to would rather have something happened before at trial process begins, whether that's on the 30th of june or later but the bottom line is speed is everything here. and that's why i think you'll your hearing, the president's voice, and indefinitely in mind that there's a sense of urgency in trying to solve these cases. >> as fred pleitgen are fred pleitgen reported, putin has said that he approved a prisoner swap before the death of alexey navalny. that would have had navalny whelan and gershkovich released for vadim

krasikov, a former russian intel official who is in prison for murder in germany is a swap for krasikov on the table >> first off, if i may reference to navalny, i can't imagine what it must be like to be as family. it's really every family's nightmare that your loved one dies in prison before they're able to get out. so my definitely send my condolences to the family. there what i can say about what prison putin said is it costs him nothing to say that he can say whatever he wants, whether it's true or not. you know, who can verify it. what i can tell you without getting into the details is the united states is trying to put together a proposal that we're able to deliver and that the russians are willing to accept to bring people home and as much as i would love to go into details because i think people, your viewers would be stunned at the amount of time, energy and creates creativity that goes into crafting this, these, these deals at the same time, the more we talk about at the less chance we have a pulling it off. sometimes it's better to be sensitive and keeps some of these, these deals

classified covert, private so that we can execute them as opposed to negotiating and public as the, as the phrase often goes yeah, putin is facing some sort of new pressure now a lot at home, 144 killed in this terror attack. at this moscow concert hall. and he's trying to pin it on ukraine after he dismissed us into warnings about an impending attack, pretty specific warnings as ev reported, has that complicated negotiations for these american i guess i'm remains to be seen, but i would say probably not. what i've been a little surprised that in four years on this job is no matter what the amount of tension 2 minutes between the united states and another country that's holding our citizens were still able to come together and find a way to make a deal to bring americans home. as you know, we got trevor read home only two months after russia invaded ukraine, we got brittney griner back shortly after that and even though we've had tensions with countries like venezuela, for example, we're still able

to find a way to get the job done. so despite anything that's happening in the geopolitical space, our goal is pretty firm it's were resolute and we'll find a way to bring paul and evan home. >> let's certainly hope so. roger carson's we know that you are working very, very hard on that. thank you for being with us tonight. >> thanks, brian appreciate it. thank you >> out front next, nikki haley, who not even in the race, still getting 18% of the vote in one of the last primaries and now biden zeroing in on her supporters by reminding them of this how do you bring these nikki haley voters back in? >> i'm not sure we need too many and kim jong un keeping a close eye on the us election is we're learning why he actually now fears >> trump returning to power

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than four 14% of the primary vote in ohio, 14% in trump's own home state of florida out front. now, longtime republican pollster and strategist, frank lunch is with us a frank, what are your thoughts on biden going after haley voters in key swing states? >> it's smart because you've got republicans that don't want to vote for donald trump. democrats who don't want to vote for joe biden is only about 5% that are truly undecided. and only seven states are in place. i want you to consider this do going to spend $2 on literally one of america. and so anytime you gotta weakness, you want to exploit it? >> former president obama, of course, trying to help president biden make his case to voters last night at this joint fundraiser with also former president clinton, the biden campaign excluded cameras from the venue, but they did

release some selected clips, including this one it's not just the negative case against the presumptive nominee. on the other side, it's the positive case four somebody who's done an outstanding job in the presence >> how much do you think that helps president obama sort of very vocally vouching for biden. and do you think at this point that biden is doing everything he needs to do in his campaign i don't think he's doing everything he needs to do and the fact is, i don't believe it's donald trump that's winning. i think it's joe biden that's actually losing that the message isn't strong enough. look, the economy is pretty strong. inflation has come down unemployment is almost negligible. there's a case to be made and yet donald trump is beating joe biden in most surveys by two or 3%. and the key is this swing states those seventh swing states trump is either tied or leading and so

the messaging and the communication from the biden effort, let's be candid down the issue of his age is holding him back just as the issue of the indictments is holding donald trump back, both of them. these are the weakest presidential nominees in american history. both of them. >> and yet we've got >> seven months with the two of them are going to be going at each other. so anytime you bring someone else into the conversation, barack obama is reasonably popular, particularly among democrats. it's going to be helpful. but in the end, both biden and trump are gonna go at each other with brick bats and it's gonna be a very painful election to watch >> yeah, we're feeling that already today. good friday, easter of course, this weekend, trump is hoping his supporters will, by the bible's that he is now selling. let's watch all americans need a bible in their home and i have many. it's my favorite book. it's a lot of

people's favorite book. this bible is a reminder that the biggest thing we have to bring back america and to make america great again is our religion i saw you there, frank shaking your head, but that's also i wonder if that's because the multiple times and i want to play this, that trump is really how these awkward >> exchanges when it comes to religion in his faith here is two of them, including one with you back in 2015 but have you ever asked god for forgiveness >> i'm not sure i have. i just go and try and do a better job from there. i don't think so. i think i if i if i do something wrong, i think i just try and make it right. i don't bring god into that picture. i >> don't i'm wondering what one or two two of your most favorite bible verses are. >> i wouldn't want to get into it because to me that's very personal. you don't want to talk about the bible is very personal, so i don't want to get into i don't want to because it's a means a lot to

you that you think about or site >> the bible means a lot to me, but i don't want to get into specifics >> your question there, frank, as i'm refreshed in my memory, was such a good one there. and yet despite these moments and others to this day, poll show white evangelical voters are hugely behind him >> why? >> i know it sounds contradictory, but they trust him to protect those of faith. the republican party. now some people think it's gone too far another service had the word faith, not religion this is about faith is about a private relationship between you and your god and religion is the named brand of it. and that's not really what this is about. voters, evangelical voters, trust donald trump to protect them and to allow them to practice their faith. and they don't have the same confidence with the democratic party. just as democrats trust the ability to keep religion and government separate this is why you up democrats and republicans. i

just find it unseemly that you're hawking a bible. you hot sneakers a few weeks ago, you sell perfume, you sell trading cards. you used to sell be for meat or whatever you want to call it it just it doesn't seem proper but i want to emphasize it doesn't seem to matter. the public is still narrowly in favor of trump so clearly something is going on that all of these issues do not seem to be having the impact of one would expect >> and frank, before i let you go, i would be remiss if i didn't ask you the question that all of our viewers are wanting during which is you seem to be joining us from the oval office, which is actually your house in la. tell us about this. >> yes, that's correct. i'll get out of the ways you can see the desk right there. that's ron reagan. it's a replica of ronald reagan's resolute desk. that's kennedy's desk

actually reagan's chair all around me, the couches, bill clinton's couch, these chairs, origen nixon chairs, you can see the bus up there. are even going to lift this up. so viewers can get a better view of it. >> i wanted to have something that >> represented not a particular president but the office of the presidency. >> and the moos fun i >> had was when i sat on that desk in shorts, put my feet up and said, thank you, president obama, giving me use of the oval office the greatest thing is the public when out they they they lost it because they thought that i was disrespecting oval office. i'm only disrespecting my house >> just your house? well, frank, that is wild and i thank you for sharing it with us. and thanks for being with us. have a good night. >> thank you. youtube out front >> next, kim jong, un cozying up to putin as he braces for a second, trump presidency, we have a special report next seven astronauts. setting off on a scientific mission.

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gushing about the north korean leader. >> he speaks at his people, sit up at attention. i want my people to do former trump national security adviser, john bolton posted that clip along with this warning. donald trump wants americans to treat him like north koreans treat kim jong un, get ready if trump wins in november, bolton thinks kim may invite the president the visit pyongyang and invite the close aide turn. trump critic says, his old boss could very well except they will be met with fire and fury from fiery, saber-rattling to historic summit, get some and surprise meetings all ending in bidder failure trump's first term was a roller coaster for us north korea relations the big question would kim actually consider a second round of trump's style diplomacy? what do you think was going through

kim's mind after trump walked out and he had actually promoted this meeting ahead of time because people, which is something north korean never does. and do you think that kim is likely to forget that? feeling anytime soon? >> i think coming out of the hanoi meeting, kim jong un on that long train ride, felt burned and he had to simmer in the juices of the fact that, you can't really count on donald trump at the end of the day to seal the deal that trump will walk i mean, that's the lesson learned. >> these days. kim's cozy up >> to president vladimir putin, supplying the russian strong man with weapons and ammo for his war in ukraine. >> he wrote me beautiful letters and their great letters we fell, in love. trump shared >> 27 of those love letters with journalists bob woodward, revealing a relationship that soured when diplomacy disintegrated in 2019, in his last known letter to trump in

august of that year kim road. if you do not think of our relationship has a stepping stone that only benefits you, then you would not make me look like an idiot that will only give without getting anything in return. there was always this >> gap between the seriousness that kim jolliffe brought into the process versus the theatricality of it for donald trump some compared the whole thing to a made for tv reality show. now, many wonder, could there be a second season based on my experience dealing with the north koreans, they're always planning there always calculating. and so in preparing for potential second trump administration, north korea is likely to pursue a dual strategy on one hand engage directly with trump, take advantage of that personal rapport between trump and kim on the other hand continue to grow its nuclear arsenal and deepen those diplomatic and economic ties. eyes with russia and china as a hedge against the unpredictability of us policy,