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de with us. we'll see you right back here next >> hello, everyone, and welcome to the amanpour. our here's where we're headed this week. >> he is a dictator and did usurper. it's time the free world finally said so putin's pawns, the wife of russia's most high-profile political prisoner reacts to the year-long detention of wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich, journal isn't being equated with espionage seriously? that is a hostage situation. >> then why the state department staff or quit? over the humanitarian crisis in gaza, people are shocked and appalled by what the us government is doing. >> the relative of an israeli hostage who was arrested at an anti-government protests accuses netanyahu of deliberately slow walking. ceasefire talks the very public is being pumped with together,

we will win together, we will win and we're not winning. >> also this hour >> how did elon musk's satellite internet system, fall into russian hands? and for my archive, the legendary feminist gloria steinem turns 90 welcome to the program, everyone. i'm christiane amanpour in london, and we begin this out with putin's political pawns and the dangerous hostage diplomacy at play in the kremlin. it's now one years since the wall street journal reporter, evan gershkovich became the first american journalist detained on espionage charges since the cold war for he was on assignment with press credentials given to him by the russian foreign ministry. there is zero evidence to support their charges. and evan, his family and the journal and the us government denied all the allegations against him in a moment, i'll introduce you to evgenia kara-murza, her husband, vladimir, who's a british it's russian citizen,

is one of roughly 700 political prisoners in russia. he survived two poisonings that nearly killed him. and he's now serving 25 years for treason after criticizing putin's illegal invasion of ukraine. but first, cnn's fred pleitgen explains how we got here no media allowed at evan gershkovich, its most recent court hearing in moscow, just this short clip by the court's press service despite a year in russian jail, a defiance smile from the wall street journal reporter. no surprise. his detention was extended yet, again through june 30, the us ambassador to russia, ripping into the verdict, the accusations against seven are categorically untrue. they are not a different interpretation of circumstances they are fiction >> evan gershkovich was arrested and charged with espionage a year ago while on assignment in yekaterinburg, central russia, gangs, i was

more than i do not know if there are any other cases, but the allegations made by our intelligence services today, we're not related to his journalism. >> is >> near the wall street journal and gershkovich families strongly denied the allegations work out the halyna ivanovo of the financial times, he is one of evans best friends and still keeps and regular contact with him, writing letters. >> he's during remarkably well. he's absolutely staying strong. he's not allowing himself to and i to wallow to get too upset by everything. in fact, he spends most of his time in letters to us trying to make us feel better. >> just coverage faces a jail sentence of up to 20 years if convicted. but cnn has reported that gershkovich and former us marine paul whelan were part of a proposed prisoner swap with a now dead the opposition leader, alexey navalny >> the >> russian president, taunted on his reelection day that he approved a swap on the condition he'd get back a high-profile russian

intelligence officer in prison for murder in germany, the diem cross, a cough. >> the person who spoke to me had not finished his sentence yet. i said, i agree, but unfortunately, what happened happened for those close to evan, that means the waiting continues outcome uncertain when you see britain talk about it, in very clear terms that this is what they want to see happen, that they're looking for a deal just gives you hope that at some point this will he will be home. he needs to be home, needs to be back with his family, with his friends >> from luckin, cnn, berlin as the war in ukraine enters its third year, putin gets ever stronger in punishing any dissent at home people like vladimir kara-murza remain in jail. >> so now to my >> conversation with his wife, evgenia kara-murza, who is central in the increasingly female lead fight for human rights and democracy in russia evgenia kara-murza, welcome to the program

>> hello christiane. thank you very much for inviting me, but i'd like to ask you in light of your husband's persistent imprisonment in moscow in russia, and also being a one-year anniversary since the journalist evan gershkovich was taken his family tries to reach him. i know you try to read your husband and your kids. you try to get them to talk to him >> how do you do it? when was the last time you manage and how long can you talk? four the last time i talked to my husband was last summer in summer 2023 my kids were allowed 15 minutes on coal with their dad at the end of december of last year? and since we have three kids it meant that each of them got five minutes on the phone with their dad and that was the first call in over half a year? and i obviously had two measure

those minutes with a timer because i could not allow one of our kids to speak to their father for longer than five minutes. so in the conditions in which latimer is being kept. now. and that is a punishment cell and so-called special regime prison colony in western siberia is not allowed any visits by family members is not allowed any calls and only under exceptional circumstances, so in mid february, we celebrated our 20th anniversary and lighter requested a phone call with me and was denied. they russian the prison authorities told him that this was not an exceptional circumstance as was not our all this daughter's 18th and never birthday. so they told him that death would be an exceptional circumstance. other than that, he's not allowed any phone calls with

that is just so hard to hear that. it's really hard to hear what must be going through your mind every day since alexey navalny died, i don't know whether you also believed that he was killed in prison. >> i do believe that this was a murder. and the responsibility lies with vladimir putin. as to my family's situation. well, what i have been living with this fears since 20151 my husband survived the first attack on him, the first assassination attempt he then survived yet another one in 2017. and thanks to an independent investigation by bellingcat and insider, we know that the same team that was implicated in the pores intervallic, say navalny had been following my husband before both attacks. >> so now that >> he's being held by the same people who tried to kill him twice of course, i am extremely worried about his life and i i've been living with this fear for many years already.

>> i can see the strain obviously in your face and in your words, your husband is a domestic. in other words, a russian critic inside russia of putin, evan gershkovich was arrested and jailed on what the americans called trumped up espionage charges. the first time a journalist, american journalist since the cold war. >> what >> is putin's aim in? i know that different, but what's the aim of holding these pawns? whether domestically or international figures? >> well, the imprisonment of evan gershkovich absolutely ridiculous grounds and in journal isn't being equated with espionage seriously but that is a hostage situation. vladimir putin takes hostages to then get the persons of interest to him back to russia in exchange for the lives of

these hostages just like in the soviet times, the race vladimir putin wants to show that there is no dissent in the country. there's just a huge number of criminals, spies, traders, in foreign agents >> you spoke at the un. in fact, this last week and you laid into president putin, i'm going to play a little bit of what you said. >> vladimir putin is not a legitimately elected president. he is a dictator and a usurper. it's time the free world final set. so famously, president biden said that putin would pay for the death of navalny. you have met your husband was a dual uk citizen with the foreign minister here and others. what must the world do? do you think? >> well with regard to prison, biden's promise, i'm afraid we're still waiting for those devastating consequences that had been promised >> i

>> joined my husband in his call for finally, calling status paid and i believe that the world has to finally called vladimir putin for what he is a criminal wanted by the icc for kidnapping of ukrainian kids. and for many other crimes that his himself and his regime had been committing over the years kyi cannot be seen and recognized as a legitimate partner on the international stage. >> i want to ask you whether furthermore, the terror attack that took place that isis claimed last week, that killed oh, nearly 140 people. you saw that putin finally admitted that it was isis, but said that ukraine must have had something to do with it. >> his name please, to play. >> we know that the crime was committed by radical islamists whose ideology the islamic world itself, has been fighting for centuries. it is also necessary to answer the question, why the terrorists

tried to go to ukraine after committing a crime? who was waiting for them there? >> we know that vladimir putin has been on the scene for almost a quarter of a century, committing very similar crimes to the ones that are being committed now in ukraine. >> and in the past the regime used every terrorist attack in the country to its own interests >> due to >> strengthen repression in the country and to launch aggression like they 2,002.2004, terrorist attacks, nor doest and beslan. we're used to start the second chechen war and the bombings of 1999 >> all these are >> terrorists attacks in the past, we used to start a second chechen war and to justify this aggression against chechnya i believe that vladimir putin will use this terrorist attack

for the same purpose. >> thank you so much evgenia kara-murza. and we wish you and your family well thank you very much. christiane >> coming up next my exit interview with the state department staffer who quit over the crisis in gaza. why she believes the biden administration is helping enable the atrocities in hello words and then the relative. and if israeli hostage tells me why he believes the netanyahu government is deliberately stalling ceasefire talks space shuttle columbia, the final flight premieres sunday, >> april 7 at nine on cnn. i brought in a juror max protein with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks here, i'll take that ensure max protein, 30 grams protein one prim sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals, and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic look, we know

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>> vanity need to save space >> you have a show were right and left talk to each other. >> cnn presents an encore presentation of hbo's real time with bill maher tonight at eight on cnn >> welcome back to the program. it's another significant sign of growing dissent inside the biden camp over its handling of the crisis in gaza. >> state >> department stuffer, annelle sheline resigned in protest this week and decided to go public after colleagues convinced her to speak out on their behalf, writing in an op-ed for cnn, she said that her job to advocate for human rights was impossible while blank, check support for israel, quote, enables atrocities in gaza. in her first television interview, i asked her why now i think as it became clear what us policy was going to be as far as enabling the ongoing military operations

in gaza, as well as the intentional use i've starvation as a weapon. i initially hoped to make a difference inside the state department, the through the dissent cables, through internal forums speaking with supervisors and then eventually it became clear that from my position inside state, there was really very little that i could do and i was initially just going to resign quietly i just didn't want to be part of this government anymore. but as i started to let colleagues know of my intention, they said, please speak for us, please use your voice. >> many of these are individuals >> who feel they cannot resign, who are still doing very important work inside the state department and so i decided that i would go ahead and go public was it painful you did you would risks did you feel you were taking? what consequences for your life for your chart, you have a

one-year-old child, i believe a mortgage yes >> those are all concerns. i do think i'm i'm privileged. i only been at the state department for a year. i have an academic background i have a phd in political science. i had previously been in the think tank sector whereas. i think for a lot of my colleagues who have spent their whole careers inside government or inside the state department it's much more challenging to think about trying to leave, although plenty of colleagues have said that it is something that they're considering that they see what the us government is doing as just in such direct contravention to the mission that they believe they are trying to uphold by working for the us department of state and in contravention of american values more broadly, you just talked about using starvation as a weapon of war. yes, the eu has said that. yes, the un, yes, other international

organizations, but not the united states let me today this from the briefing on monday by the state department about whether whether the us believes the department that you just left believes that that is happening. take a listen. >> we have not made an assessment or drawing a conclusion that they are in violation of international humanitarian and law when it comes to the provision of humanitarian assistance into gaza, that said we do believe there is very much more that they can do to let humanitarian assistance go in so you can hear the us saying that over and over again now, i mean, really for a long time. so they're trying to thread a needle and they are dropping aid. they are complaining and demanding the more aid goes in. >> tell >> me what you're noticing about maybe a shift in the public posture of the administration >> i think it's encouraging that we have started to see

some degree of a shift, but at present, it has made almost no difference to the lives of people starving and being bombed inside gaza. i think to the extent that even things like the us being willing to abstain at the un security council is significant. but then the administration came out and immediately said that that was non-binding. so in general, i just find that the way the administration is trying to do this, i think they made a political calculation that they thought that it made the most sense politically to maintain this extreme support for israel regardless of the illegal behaviors that is really engages in. >> and they'll very, very quickly, i wonder because you are the second to actually reside. can you give us a sense to what you know inside the state department of how much the support is. people are >> shocked and appalled by what the us government is doing many people continue to do the very

important work inside the state department and continue to feel that their efforts are making a difference on the many, many issues that the state department is involved in but on the other hand, i do know people who who may be considering resigning. >> and you can watch the rest of our conversation online and amanpour.com, along with all my other interviews. up next on the show, the relative of an israeli hostage on the frustrating fight to reunite his family and the drastic measures he took to get the government let's attention, but not winning not winning it all so this this sure age, it's stopped get your viewing glasses ready. >> this is something >> you won't want to ms in experience, so rare won't happen again for another two decades. boris sanchez and brianna keilar, host to cnn special live coverage. as reporters and people around the

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his uncle, aunt and cousin together with her nine-year-old son, were taken hostage. but while the women and children were released late november, abraham is still in hamas captivity and his nephew's a hero is joining me now from jerusalem. welcome to the program. how are you holding up? >> not so well, it's almost all almost six months now and every day is you have cycles of despair and hope and hope and despair and what is your honest >> genuine feeling about whether you will get your uncle bag he was alive according to others who've been released subsequent but he was injured >> last we heard was from as you said, one of the released hostages who is led medical nurse in soccer medical center and she took care of him, apparently was taken to gather on the backseat of a motorcycle and he fell on the way. i

remind you, this is a 79 can you old man. so apparently fair and he got some sacrificial superficial so scratches and wounds and she took care of him and she said that his wounds are getting better but since then and this was like almost three months ago, we know nothing we just know that it's been mov andow now he's probably deeper insights, some tunnel and we ow from ople thatoteleased, you kw, that the humidity there is terrible and the sanitary conditions non-existent >> and it to ask you about the protests you and others are now undergoing regularly in israel against the government and its inability to bring back more of these hostages, including your uncle so we said and we showed you and others in case which is symbolic cages on a street in tel why do you think you were arrested and

detained >> for the obvious reason for police force arriving? we are not family members we, are people disturbing the traffic >> yeah. we got released will faster last tuesday, we spent like 134 minutes symbolically in this prison cell, it's nothing compared to mark my ankle is going for of course. >> so the israeli government has, from the beginning said that it has two objectives, defeating hamas and returning the hostages do you believe that that second objective is actually happening? >> the military maneuver going on in gaza is not helping the hostages in any way. this was from that from day one, we

understood that the, can't be two prime objective and they tried to convince us that these two objectives will go hand-in-hand and neither of them, neither of them is accomplished and the israel administration is just not committed enough and it's busy doing all kinds of political games for four but for political survival and the hostages are wasting away in some rat hole inside gaza and we don't have time. they don't have time every day that goes by. >> you told us before we started the interview that some hostage families are hesitant to actually go out and protest why is that? >> there is very strong notion of please don't make too much noise otherwise, zero family member you hostage could be

moved to a lower place once a list will be composed there's a lot of pressure coming from the cabinet ministers stating these thoughts, okay, be quiet be quiet, play along. come with us to the to this delegations and meet with the un and put pressure on outside players. but don't say anything to contradict the official governmental line and we, these very public is being pumped with together, we will win together, we will win and we're not winning. not winning it all so this charade should stop we need some international intervention because the way things are going in israel now, we'll jumping straight head down to the end.

>> it is really horrible to hear you describe that. and we also usely wish you all the best hero, shot more. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you for hearing my voice. >> in response to that interview, a statement from the israeli government reads in part, destroying hamas and freeing the hostages are not mutually exclusive goals. on the contrary, these missions complement one another israel will continue to do what is needed to reach all it's just war objectives, destroy hamas, free our hostages, and ensure that gaza does not pose a threat to israel and the civilized world in the future and up next why is elon musk's satellite internet system getting into russian hands? and how how does that impact drone warfare in ukraine? a cnn investigation, when we come back if you work in

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us sanctions to exploit this vital modern warfare technology >> ukraine's newest target, it's something they've long cherished themselves small whites rectangular satellite internet terminals from elon musk styling apparently in russian hands and hit by ukrainian drones when i was supposed to be there at all according to mask and us sanctions for wooster a courier or sterling, whose very sterling here, a russian soldiers explains frontline damage to one of their styling units connecting attack drones and command centers and then i just put equal internet sterling, while russia has officially denied their use, their army of crowd funders openly florence styling purchases in the third countries. not set a missed the boat choice. there is one key supplier showing off store bought drones and five starlink's to you about here. >> where the principally

>> the look on their faces and does not suggest that too confident and coming home she has posted other images of starlink's and drones bought ukrainian troops. we met across the eastern south of the front blind said russia has near copied that system of attack drones using starlink's internet signal to control dozens of single use first-person view devices to swarm ukrainian positions here is even an intercepted signal. one unit told us they had hacked from a russian drone you can see it maneuvering into ukrainian target near the heavily contested village of what a bettina down in the bunkers where the drone wars are fought. this change is huge and has come with an apparent complication for the ukrainians to there starlink speeds have been getting slower. set this commander golden scores

swiftkey is novato switch, as in this across all of the water mean put potassium format's, i've got the show should is neutral will depart to your study common last, where you've to >> another operator in the same area reported problems in the last month is to do as nationalism is shut scores >> michelle advice or aborted anything pretty much any pre-op net force, 9,000 active space lasers. >> so so vaguely reminds me of dr. evil. >> a lot rests on mask while ukrainian officials went public with their concerns six weeks ago, and they've since gone silent. that perhaps quietly

pressuring musk, who experts think can vet who uses terminals even if that's trickier and contested areas? >> it's possible spacex important each terminal and they know who is who, but the problem is to identify extra owner of the account. last is a big child, so it's it's important to talk to him and the fan because do some good decisions blindly not very good for everyone. >> musk's spacex and starlink did not respond to requests for comment. they said previously they do business with the russian state or military. and if a sanction party uses starlink we investigate the claim and take actions to deactivate the terminal if confirmed but as ukraine's other lifelines wobble or dry up space-based internet. his one they cannot afford to see slow louk to the russians or lose a tool nick paton walsh,

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program from russia's war in ukraine to israel's war against hamas. it is women who often suffer the most according to the united nations, the world is failing. girls and women and the fight for equality and justice is far from over. that is being gloria steinem is life's work the world's most famous feminist activist, a trailblazer of the women's rights movement steinem, tireless advocacy and undercover journalism reshaped norms and turned her into a global icon for women. this week, fittingly, during women's history month dynam turned 90 from my archive, one of my interviews with hur, almost ten years ago, right after she wrote her memoir when you look back and you write this book, which is really instructive and entertaining at the same time we've been through several waves of feminism where are we now? because some people think the fight is over, is it the people

>> who say that fighters over the same people who used to say to me it, it's impossible it's against nature. and now their current form of obstructionism is it's over. no, no, no. we've just barely begun and obstructionism, you choose that would obviously with consideration, i mean, you still feel that the women we are being obstructed. >> well we're all born into this very patriarchal culture. it takes different forms around the world. but the basis of it is that reproduction must be controlled by men. and that means controlling women's bodies. it may take different forms, religious forms political forums, but that is the basic impulse. and so it's quite radical to say we are seizing control of reproduction, which we are and it makes perfect sense because these are our bodies. and this was also the form of governance for millennia before patriarchy

came along. >> again, going back to india, you were there, you observed the female prime minister indira gandhi being the first controversially to enact a family planning program. but you also know that there is infanticide there and obviously girls are the ones who get who get aborted we talked also to an activist recently about the continuing abomination of female genital mutilation. and she put it in this, in these terms that you're talking about, just listened and we'll we'll talk about it. >> i understand. what are the priorities for you was to have a cabinet that was gender balanced. why was that so important to you >> because it's 2015 >> all right. that's the right soundbite or the wrong moment, but let's just talk about that then we'll get back to that with good news. that was three and good use exactly. that's

the recent prime minister of canada saying is 2015 we need gender balance in the cabinet that must have sounded great to you, right? i mean, that went viral >> yes, absolutely. it makes perfect sense and we have made progress in a lot of ways, but we still discuss, say, foreign policy and terrorism and all the disasters that you report as if it was separate from the women's movement. the women's movement as a silo over here, foreign policy is a silo over there, and never the twain shall meet to how do you think the twain meet their twain meets because the single biggest predictor of violence and a culture has always been the polarization of roles, hyper masculinity on one side, hyper femininity and women and reproduction controlled on the other side. and if we simply looked at that as an indicator, we would not for instance, have

supported say, the mujahideen in afghanistan who it turned into the taliban because they were way more hostile. and way more violent towards females, then the regime we help them overthrow. >> let me play that other soundbite because it goes to the heart of what we're talking about. this is about female genital mutilation there's a reason why i genitals was specifically targeted women are not supposed to have sexual pleasure. women are not supposed to experiment with with their sexuality. so we need to ask ourselves why is there such a focus on women's sexuality >> yes. i mean, it's taking away women's sexual will, women's sexual pleasure and turning them into nothing but a controlled means of reproduction that's an extreme form of it but it is in grade aided forms in many cultures

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questions you may have call now and we'll come to you >> 808 to 14000 welcome back off to seeing his family's home destroyed in gaza and >> fleeing one bombing after another palestinian poet, mosaab abu toha eventually found refuge in egypt with his wife and three children he was only allowed to cross the border on account of his youngest son being born in america. mosaab has been writing about the terrifying journey they made as part of our longer conversation airing next week, i asked mosaab to read a poem inspired by his life in gaza and the home. he and his family left behind what is home it is the shade of trees on my way to school before they were uprooted it is my grandparents, black and white within photo before the wound is crumbled it is my uncles prayer rug where dozens of an slept on when three

nights before it was looted and put in a museum. >> it is the oven. my >> mother used to bake bread and roast chicken before a ban reduced our house to ashes. it is the cafe what i watched football matches and play my child stops me, can afford letter word, hold all of these >> all the elements of a home gone by. and you can watch that full conversation along with all my interviews online at amanpour.com. and don't forget, you can find all our shows online as podcasts that cnn.com slash podcast and on all other major platforms, i'm christiane amanpour in london. thank you for watching and see you again next week