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>> this is gps, the global public square welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you from new york today on the program >> the state of relations >> between america and israel >> only >> this week, primary in this the net and you reacted angrily to the us position on a un ceasefire resolution. >> have stingy >> it was the latest it's in a series of serious disagreements >> what to >> make of the growing rift between the jewish state. and it's most important benefactor. and protector, richard haas has some thoughts >> then >> be atlantic's graham wood will help us dig through the rumor in innuendo. but what really happened in last week's terror attack in russia who was
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behind it >> and former supreme court justice stephen brian will give us a master class on what hi court's job is and what it isn't but first, here's my take the hiring and firing of ronna mcdaniel as an nbc political analyst might seem like a small media tempest but it does force a reckoning with a much larger issue that will come up again and again in this campaign how to deal with donald trump and his supporters? to recap ronna mcdaniel was the chair of the rnc in november 2020 and tried to pressure local republican officials not to certify the presidential election results. she also denied that the elections had been fair in a television interview this is all terrible stuff we've heard so much about it that we sometimes get numb to its importance. so let me remind us all donald trump is the first
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president in american history to try to stop the peaceful transfer of power he incited a crowd to intimidate his own vice president and republican legislators. and he managed to get a majority of republican members of the house to vote against certifying the election results of 2020, despite the fact that they had been duly authorized by 50 states and dc and affirmed in dozens of course rulings. this is a big deal but here's the problem. ever since then about one-third of americans believed that the 2020 election was not free and fair. that is more than 85 million adult americans how do we approach them how do we approach the people who have led them to these beliefs? do we cancel them all? should no one who has these views be allowed to speak on nbc news? i think the executives at nbcu, we're trying to find a reasonable way to have the
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views of 85 million americans represented on the airwaves i understand that dilemma ronna mcdaniel acted in ways that were not conservative or republican, but anti-democratic she assaulted the constitutional foundations of the country but the nature of liberal democracy is that we allow all kinds of people to express their views a communists have run for the presidency of the united states let's be honest, many republican leaders are playing a cowardly game here. it's not likely that they actually agree with trump's lies. they just know that the base of their party does and to disagree with it is political suicide most high-profile elected republicans in some way or post-trump. and now former elected republicans rise today, but some do try to move away from the worst excesses of trumpism. >> the reality. but daniel, in a recent nbc
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>> interview affirm that biden was the legitimate president of the united states should we encourage this kind of return to normalcy or forever punish those who once a spouse crazy conspiracy theories >> liberal >> democracies should avoid the temptation of using illiberal means even when they confront views isn't positions that are forthrightly hostile to liberal democracy itself i worry about some of the court cases against trump. while they may be technically legitimate some involve offenses that happened years ago and for which he was not then charged would he have been charged for those where he not the controversial political figure he is today >> so far, these efforts >> to rule him beyond the pale and not working despite 88 felony counts and all the essential of the media elite. he is leading in many polls after all, his supporters are fueled by the belief that a group of overeducated liberals with no regard for them run the
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country so how do you think they'll react when a group of lawyers and big cities come up with clever ways to make trump ineligible to run for the presidency as i write in my new book, age of revolutions, the new populist rights, disdain for liberal democracy is frightening constituting the gravest threat, we face to our political future. but the left also has its excesses in this direction. many one to dispense with some of liberalism's rules and procedures they want to ban those who have wrong ideas from speaking they want to achieve racial equality by quota or decree they want to use education or to achieve political goals rather than educational or artistic ones. convinced of the virtue of their ideas in theory, say the rights of asylum seekers the comfortable pushing this abstract notion of virtue onto or reluctance society. but top-down revolutionary actions from the uncompromising left or
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the reactionary right, often cause more turmoil than progress donald trump's brand of right-wing populism is illiberal, xenophobic, often racist, and takes america into dark dead ends but the way to defeat it in a liberal democracy is not by using legal mechanisms that take him off the political playing field and canceling those who support him rather, it is to debate his allies, put forward powerful and persuasive positions that show americans that you can also address their concerns and, to confront trump on the political battlefield. and beaten >> go to >> cnn.com slash fareed for link to my washington post column. this week. there is also a link there to buy my new book, which i hope you do. and let's get started. on monday.
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the us >> abstained from a un council resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. in pass votes. it had used its veto power to block such a resolution. in response, prime minister netanyahu called often israeli delegation that was set to visit washington at president biden's request. netanyahu and later moved to reschedule the meeting. >> but it all adds up to a >> low point in us is wary of relations joining me now to discuss the broader implications is richard house of former director of policy planning at the state department he now writes a weekly newsletter on substack called home and away >> richard pleasure to have you on >> you think this >> is a watershed moment for israeli us relations. explain why fareed every previous israeli prime minister protected this relationship between israel and the united states. understanding just how basic it is to israel's economic and strategic security
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well-being bibi netanyahu, maybe the first israeli prime minister, certainly in recent decades, who doesn't seem to hold that position. indeed, is essentially rejected virtually all the advice coming from president biden and the administration and most recently blamed the united states for something it didn't do. and seems prepared to face the israeli people if that's what it comes to politically standing up, somehow representing the idea that he bibi notching out who is all that protects israel from? ill-advised american pressure. and that would truly be a watershed in this relationship. >> and it's not just words, it's also the kind of things that the netanyahu government is doing. i mean, just reason a few days ago they announced that they're going to give 2000 acres of land in the west bank to settlement that the united states government has just called against international law. >> exactly. and wasn't a coincidence that secretary of state tony blinken happened to be there right around that was
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having talk about something in your face every inch of the way they've been using more military force than the united states thought was was lots of civilians, tens of thousands of civilians so i've been killed in addition to hamas fighters, they'd been resisting doing what the united states wanted in the way of making sure enough humanitarian aid guide in there. what i just don't see is an effort to bridge the difference is i'm not saying fried, look, i was in government several times working on these issues, united states and israel often disagree, but for the most part, there is a good faith effort to bridge the disagreements that's what i don't see here. >> and you think >> that bibi netanyahu >> strategy is fundamentally wrong. you laid out, you had a wonderful wall street journal asieh, where you explained it you talked about how there could have been a much more targeted approach, one that took into account humanitarian conditions why do you think they didn't at some less, some of it is bb but is there there was a broader i think emotional
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response that the horrible terrorist attack provoked >> absolutely. and a lot of people defend what bibi netanyahu is done saying that's where the israeli body public is and i go, yes, but last i checked leaders lead. they don't follow. and just because something may be popular in the short term, trust me, it won't be popular in the long term if israel has a second unsuccessful occupation of gaza. but even more fareed what's missing here is a political dimension. i understand the desire to sideline hamas. obviously, it's not a partner, but you can't sideline of political force just with military force. you can't beat something with nothing where, where, where is the missing component to basically tell palestinians this is a dead end hamas will not get any of what you want politically. but here's another path. here's a political path. >> i want to ask you about one aspect of this you must encounter because i have encountered it, there are longtime supporter of israel. >> you >> are jewish american, a lot of american jews i find are
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kind of confused about how to think about this on the one hand, they, they were horrified by the terror attack by hamas as they should be. there's this crazy rise in anti-semitism around the world and in the united states. so i find a lot of them supporting bibi netanyahu just because they there they feel threatened. there is a sense of being under siege. and maybe this guy is at least defending israel >> they feel threatened. also, american jews, lot of americans even beyond american jews, are uncomfortable disagreeing with israel. it's very hard to a times to parse the difference between disagreeing with israel and not being anti-zionist or even worse yet. and the submitted, it's a hard argument to sustain. in some way similar to this country when people like you and i would disagree, say with a rock or earlier with vietnam, how is it you criticize the government and policy without seeming not
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to support the troops or the, or the country. it is a really, really uncomfortable road to go down, but that is the road you're fine. >> are you getting getting blowback on this? >> oh, absolutely. >> when i wrote the piece >> recently in the wall street journal about what israel could and should would have done rather than what they did. a lot of people are just very uncomfortable. my email shall we say is rich in criticism >> it's not >> easy and these are not. how would i put it? these are not antiseptic intellectual disability or emotional issues. he's a personal issues, a lots at stake for someone like me who cares passionately about but israel, it's very hard to watch when i see israel doing things that i really believe are counter, are contrary to its own self-interest. and yes, i worry about the anti-semitism that is provoking here in the ics. and i can say all that without admitting in many ways that the people who are out there in the marches, i don't like their agendas a lot of them don't know the basics of this. >> when i hear >> them chanting from the river to the sea i want no part of
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their agenda. this is a hard argument to have in private. this is a really hard argument to sustain in public. that's why i think prison and biden has had some problems with it. trying to be sympathetic to israel yet distancing himself from from israeli policy. he's been reluctant to confront bibi netanyahu. but what we've learned over the last, what 56 months is gentle persuasion isn't working the united states needs to carve out an independent path and is it time is going to have to, if it wants to stop settlements or wants to prevent israel from using force indiscriminately. the united states may have to think of about limits on economic aid of sorts or military aid. it's an uncomfortable place to be, but i would argue that is where israeli policy has brought us thank you for having this discussion in public richard haas, pleasure. have you always next on gps last week's terror attack in moscow has unleashed a barrage of here is a lot who
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so-called false flag operation by the russian government itself and on and on. joining me to separate fact from fiction and all of this is graham wood. he is a staff writer for the atlantic, also a lecturer in political science at yale university graham welcome >> let me ask you first >> why do you think it's absolutely clear why isis-k, a targeted moscow is this payback for the moscow's involvement? in the syrian civil war >> if we listen to isis k itself, and yes, that's what they say. >> there have been official >> pronouncements by the group that have singled out russia's involvement in syria and it's fighting against the islamic state in syria. as the reason for why they did what they did they also have the usual isis reason of wanting to fight the infidel one to fight pretty much everyone is not isis and so i think the reasons for isis
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to want to attack moscow are really overdetermined. >> why now? and isn't it hard to do terrorism in a police state as one, as tightly controlled as russia yeah, that's a great question. i mean, one reason why now is because there's capability now so isis had been fighting the taliban and afghanistan and actually not doing very well at taliban had been pushing them out. and so isis and horus on that central asian and south asian province devices had become much more interested in the last few years in becoming an external operator that is perpetrating terror attacks outside of its territory. as it has ramped up. that's keep that capability. it's been looking for places where it can do these things and it happens to have a demographic foothold in russia because russia has a fairly large central asian muslim population that is quite downtrodden. a and where you
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can find a lot unsatisfied people might want to be part of a terror attack. now, whether you can attack in an authoritarian state many isis attack. are suicidal. this one the four attackers seem to have gotten away at least for a little while. so i don't think isis is to determine the idea that they might be caught on camera >> you know, it sounds to me like what you're saying is that it is isis is failures in syria and in afghanistan, that in ironically made this possible because i assume tajik fighters, tajik islamic militants would ordinarily have gone and 40 and syria, or they would have gone forward in afghanistan. but since both those are essentially they've been defeated. they now turn their attention to russia >> yeah, that's kinda right. isis have this big project in syria that didn't turn out so well, the caliphate, there was extinguished as a state. and it being pushed out of
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afghanistan. you see the fighting war in pakistan and of course would be for further fueled enemies two >> now what do you make of garry kasparov theory? because there is something odd. he points out that russia, moscow is one of the most police cities in the world where you can get arrested for murdering anti-putin slogans and a public square. and here you have these terrorists chris for one hour are going doing their rampage uninterrupted, managing to get away as you point out, going all the way across, apparently toward ukraine according to the russian government. but at the same time, the president of belarus claims that they were apprehended on the belarus border. >> which >> suggests that there's some kind of cover up that there are two stories out there. there's somebody didn't tell the president of belarusian. this this is our official line that they were at the ukrainian border what do you make of all that >> yeah, i think there's a couple of things that need to be said. the first is that you're not 30 and states rumors are poisonous and they
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really run rampant as soon as there's any confusion it's just a conspiratorial culture and that's something you see across authoritarian cultures. a third time in political cultures. the other thing that just has to be said is that yes, you will often see you a state like russia making the most of an attack like this so they will of course, if they can use it to political advantage and at the moment, political advantage means turning the wrath during the anger towards ukraine. ukraine is of course, the most important foreign policy issue in russia by far right now. what happens all the time though ultimately, when there's an attack like this, is that people are just, just shocked. they're astonished that these things can happen, that humans can do this kind of thing so people are going to be grasping at straws for all sorts of reasons that i understand why garry kasparov
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might suggest that this is some kind a false flag. but really we see isis here with motive and opportunity, and then subsequently taking full credit for the attack. so i don't think you need to resort to conspiracy to have a pretty good guess of what happened graham, that was incredibly helpful. thank you for shedding light on a complicated situation >> thanks very >> next on gps polls show confidence in the united states supreme court remains near record lows how can it regained the public trust? steven bryer, who served on the court for 27 years, has some ideas about that and the courts current jurisprudence when we come back get your viewing glasses ready and experience so rare, it won't happen again for another two decades. joint cnn for live coverage around the country of the spectacle in the skies, eclipse across america, april 8
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for your spring cleaning today for just $19 >> i'm melanie zanona on capitol hill. and this is cnn in 2022 when the supreme court overturned the historic right to abortion, >> enshrined in the 1973 judgment, roe v. wade justice samuel alito you wrote, the constitution makes no reference to abortion and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision >> the >> argument reflects dominant intellectuaproach ofhe current court's conservative majority it's an approach my next guest is quite critical of in his latest book, steven bryer was and assiate stice he supreme court foremost, 28 years before retiring, he co-authored a searing dissent to that 2022 abortion decision, known as dobbs he jackson, his new book is reading the constitution. why i chose pragmatism, not textualism >> we spoke earlier this week >> welcome steven bryer.
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>> thank you very much. >> you begin your book with a wonderful story explaining what it is that judges like you were called appellate judges. do explain. >> tell that story. >> the kind of thing we do is this. i tried to explain it to the fifth grade a biology professor, a true story. on a train. and he has in a basket next to his seat, 20 live snails what is in that basket says the conductor, oh snails yes. do you have a ticket for the snails what are you talking about? >> says the biology. he said, look at the fair book. it says no animals on the train unless they're in a basket and you've paid half fare talking about dogs and cats, maybe rabbits are not talking about snails is a snail an animal
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>> now at that point, let's students vote of interest. and the fifth-grader's, it's hard to keep them interested, but they are and they say some say yes, of course still is an animal. and the other say, what about mosquitoes? what about horse flies? what about scorpions? i mean, are they all animals have to pay fares for mosquitoes. >> that is ridiculous. >> and then they get into an argument i need say nothing nor except at the end, i say, now, you're ready to be appellate judges. they don't talk about snails. i may talk about right to bear arms farms or law of freedom of speech, but that's the nature of the interpretive job >> and the court's conservative majority would look at that and say okay the way we decide whether this is a snake snail is an animal or nadh is. we go back to the original intent of the people who wrote this in stay very close to the literal language that was used and that is how they decide abortion, gun rights, all kinds of things
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you make the case very eloquently in the book as to why that is a very limited and cramped approach to reading the constitution or making law. explain why >> if you want to use that approach you've made me some promises promise one it's a simple, clear approach that will give us one answer. all you have to do is read the words and a few other things. or are you a per say? >> i found a method. you may be saying this i have found a method that will stop judges from substituting what they think is good for the law. >> i reply the way i decide cases like sales, we haven't actually had a snail case, >> but the way i would >> decide this kind of thing is not stopping at the words of course, i'll read the words. if the word is turki, that is not a carrot okay. i agree with that. >> but >> there's more to look at
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because these cases are often very difficult. i just read a case last week they. had 63 pages, i think 30.30 opinion descent on what is the meaning of the word and i say that is not that is not my way. that is not a method that i've followed for 40 years as a judge. >> and you say one of the reasons is you're forcing the supreme court justices to become historians to which they are not trained to do you're, you're, you're saying as you just said, that there is one answer very often with the constitution, there were very different meanings. madison than one thing. think the anti-federalists who put the amendments in, segment one thing. so how do you pick which is the real meaning? >> do i say really this isn't the way you look to purposes. >> someone wrote the words in the statute someone wrote the words here and we know who in this constitution. they had in mind certain values democracy, human rights, equality, rule of law separation of powers,
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certain and values that they hope would maintain this document for several hundred years. all right. >> you look at those which are >> appropriate. it depends on the case that's skill of being a judge. and you can be an honest judge and you're not substituting your own views. and so that's what i've tried to show here. i've tried to show. it's not a scholarly the book >> this >> is not a book written by a law professor, though i was one once >> this is not >> for law review articles, what it is is to tell you and to tell many others what lawyers do and have done lawyers other than me, homes marshal, for hundreds of years interpreting the snail-like words to me it feels and i have to confess, i'm very sympathetic to your view. it's to me it seems like there are there are two problems with the way in which the court's majority seems to look at these things one is that it's so arbitrary how you use history
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and such. so for example, justice thomas, when he writes the majority in the gun control case, which he says, the reason i'm overturning this law is because you have to look at the history of gun regulation in america >> but he's >> overturning laws that have been place for 100 years so isn't that history? so he's choosing to privilege 100 year period over another 100 year period, but american's history is all of it. >> yes, that's true. >> and what is it i found. >> so unfortunate about the textualism and originalists what is it i've found that led me not just to put my own views in here or how many judges have interpreted the constitution. but to do more than in they say this is not a good way to go about it first, i think in a lot of cases, it will lead to interpretations that are very different from what the legislature or the founders wanted. remember when this
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document was written 17, dean at nine or after the civil war there were an awful lot of people who weren't represented in the political process. women weren't there much of the time, slaves weren't there and so they're not being spoken four, though these are ideals that should apply to them they weren't part of it. and we're just going to look at that period no, that's a big mistake. and if you look at law biggest picture biggest it is an institution created by human beings in large part >> to allow human beings in large part to live together more peacefully and productively all right. >> i've always thought that. >> and now >> if all you're looking at his words when you have a statute, there's a risk you'll move away from that and if you have the constitution, there is a risk. you will move away from
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those words that allow us to have that democratic society that marshall and madison and hamilton in the others thought would last. okay. now, if we move too far away people will say, why should i do this >> well, if you'd >> have, if you have a system where people are not willing to follow opinions they disagree with by enlarge, you will have a system that moves away from the rule of law next on >> gps, i'll ask justice breyer about the supreme court deciding the outcome of a presidential election in bush, we go more than two decades ago needs night with abdullah week nights at tim east on cnn >> what are you doing >> sound effects >> why are you doing that >> why aren't you? i care is health care you deserve
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>> the greatest in sick joke about lifetime >> regrow, the champions have tbs more now with former associate justice of the supreme court, stephen breyer, the author of a new book, reading the constitution. why i chose pragmatism, not textualism one of the things that i often wondering about when i hear about the conservative majority and originalism and stuff. is >> there. they say all that and they say, you're going to smuggle your views. and if you don't don't have these constraints, but it feels like they're smuggling their views in as well and they somehow get to the view they want to get to. and i realized that there was a shock of realization that the court was very political with bush vigour because it seemed to me in bush v. gore, this was the case where the
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supreme court was being asked read the constution clearly ou was a state function how the electors are chosen in an, in an election is a function of distance date, and supreme court in that ca, conservative judges li alia, o had always said stes rights anthe federal government shodn't geat suddenly decided in this case. involved and we're going to get involved don't you think that underminethe credibility of t crt that through you to say that's not for me to say. i worked with many of the people there for many years. and what i sayt's a nd of bad faith. and what i say out this in bad faith it's nothing, nothing. i don't wa ay aone is using bad faith. i say they'resing the wronapoach. and that's a different thing and the reason i think it's important is because i believe many people today seeing decisions, they don't like, and that they think are wrong our very ready to say, oh, it's all politics,
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or it's all what you like or don't like. and i say, well, i can't prove zero i can't prove zero. it's not ordinary politics and i do think the groups that try to get somebody appointed x there politics, political, believe me. but x isn't. >> i mean, maybe >> is a little, but you can't prove it, but he's thinking this is the right way to go about it. >> and >> so i'm trying to say mr. x no, it isn't. the promises that you're making in this document. >> you can't keep you think you think that your doctrine will stop people from people in bad faith who want to just say what they like politically. no, it won't let's try why you overruled. roe v. wade >> what other >> cases are you going to overrule? what other cases? >> all those cases that >> didn't use originalism, all those cases that didn't use textualism hey, that's every case. >> are you going to overrule the mall? >> i >> mean, we'll be left with no
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law. oh, no. you are not going to save that. of course, you don't. so you're blue, say just the runs that are wrong, ones that are really were oh oh, the ones that are really rourke. >> and who decides >> that exactly? and now we are at exactly the same place. you claim. i'm at which i'm not. and so you shouldn't be either what's interesting in your answers, you clearly care about the institutional integrity of the court and you are not only a great justice, but a great diplomat. steven braille pleasure to have you on thank you next on gps. despite draconian sanctions, the russian economy seems to be doing fine are sanctions or wrong tool? and do they put the us dollar at risk? i will ask an expert when we come back >> if you work in spaceflight this is the worst possible thing i can ever help >> my dad died doing what he
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correspondent for bloomberg news. >> so you're welcome. so explain why the dollar the dollar is the reserve currency of the world. it's the most widely used one why does this give the us this power of sanctions? >> they, the world literally runs on american dollars. >> if you >> are a business type tune in china, russia, if you are a multinational company, or if you are someone in ghana who is selling cocoa beans to export them, you need the dollar to make those transactions. anytime you were engaging in global commerce, the global financial system is centered around the dollar. all those panic financial transactions our settled in dollars should understand why the us has this unique bow. let's take an example of sanctions against iran, us pulls out of the iran nuclear deal everyone else continues to want to trade with iran but they cannot because it turns out that if the us says
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no nobody can transact with iran, explain why. when a us says you can't touch our dollar and then country's tat tried to work outside of the door color and they tried to trade in euros or cryptos. occasionally, or any other asset bilaterally they find that there's not enough liquidity, there's not enough of those euros or yuan or rubles or rails out there to make the exchange. and then let's see, the exchange happens right now. there's an example of russia haven't done more trade with india using troupis to trade oil. >> but >> they have all these rupees. they can't spend them because not everyone wants to accept those repeats. >> everyone will always he's accepted the dollar and so even if you have made it as far as creating that transaction, you can't do as much with that money >> let's talk about the sanctions against russia have
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they worked >> that is such a complicated question. it is a debate that's raging in political and economic circles and every capital of the world right now the way i will explain it is that sanctions are a tool, a foreign policy you can say foreign policy has failed or succeeded you can talk about the spectrum of success that sanctions a tool offered to do that. but to say sanctions have failed as kind of like saying my house fell apart, the hammer failed me when really the architect or the contractor on that house who had the strategy and the plan for the whole house? maybe that's what failed, not the hammer. >> so when you look at this issue of the dollar future and the degree to which as you pointed out in the book, a lot of it is sort of it's very fragile. it's, its reputation, its credibility, it's, it's a femora. it's all based on what people's view of america is.
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do you worry that as we get our politics get more crazy? turbulent than chaotic. we couldn't lose this this privilege. >> i do worry, free this book for b was a small act of patriotism in, on a positive note because i have that american hopefulness. but if the country remains divided, we can't get our fiscal house in order. we can rein in the deficit. you need to make difficult decisions in congress and with the white house, you have to get along, you have to agree on what color is the sky first before you can do this until we can align on some of these issues we are going to continue to look uncertain to the rest of the world and then if, if somehow we did faced a reckoning as you point out with the debt we have in the interest rate payments on that debt, it could be >> pretty dramatic. >> absolutely. if you look at the last several empires and i'm not saying america is an empire in the historic sense, the way they've been
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traditionally. but if you just look at how big countries and rains end, it often ends with debt having overtaken things >> cilia, real pleasure to have you on. thank you. thank you so much >> thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week, i will see you next week >> greatest the told about john, reads, well, the champions tbs >> this is not just another e glass because it evolves with you and adapts it is, the first e glass made just for you this is not just design because you're ii class, it adapt, it recognizes, understand you how are you energizes, you feel it devolves with you.
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