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well. and so she's had to shoulder all of this ever since they won the national championship. anytime you summon her name, it is just even anytime i even tweet something about her, the level of reaction people call her ghetto all of this comes on the heels of the most talked about event at the nba all-star game in february when golden state warriors star steph curry >> barely beat sabrina ionescu of the wnba's new york liberty in a three-point shooting contest, expect more of that in the future if it's stef versus caitlin clark, they might need to hold it in a football stadium >> and we have this justin last night's game between caitlin clark's iowa hawkeyes, an angel, reese's lsu tigers, has set the all-time tv ratings record for a women's college basketball game according to espn, wilf 12 million. we have more than 12 million juniors. amazing. i w one othem. brian. thank u very, very much. brendan. todd portin and to our vwers. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer
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>> we're in ation room. i'llee y back here tomoow, 11:00 a.m. eastern for cnn newsroom. of course, 6:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room, the news continues on cnn right now >> out front >> next america's >> demise, trump >> predicting the end >> of the united states as we no, if he loses in november, when do we heard that sort of talk from trump before? well, it comes is rfk junior or tells me that biden is bigger threat to democracy than trump. plus global outrage after an israeli strike killed seven aid workers delivering food on behalf of the chef jose andres is organization how could this have happened? when asked the spokeswoman for the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and did trump already violate his gag order by re-posting an insult about a new york judge's daughter are legal analysts. ryan goodman says, yes, and people tell you why. so let's go out front >> and good evening. i'm erin burnett outfront night the last flexion we ever have in america. trump's words tonight
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is he campaigns in michigan and wisconsin. he's predicting the end of the united states, as we know it, if he does not win the election if we don't win or november 5th, i think our country is going to cease to exist. it could be the last election we ever have. i actually mean that the last election we ever have >> well, >> he then set it again to be sure he meant it >> we don't win. i think this could be the last election we ever have. that's where our country is going i mean, this is it best of course, a dark apocalyptic view of america, of view of a rotted nation. >> but in the context of trump's recent history, it also does very clearly ways the threat of violence because we've heard this from trump before. obviously in those final months before the 2020 election we don't win this election. every one of you be all of us. it'll never be the country. i don't think the country can ever come back to it and we don't win our
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country will have trouble. you're not going to have a country not as we know it all of those times. and then of course, on january 6, 2021, this we can't let this stuff happen we won't have a country of it happens and of course, on your screen is what followed after those words, trump supporters taking that doom and beer, apocalyptic >> vision literally and storming the capitol claiming that they were taking their country back and saving it from doing which is why something that presidential candidate robert f kennedy said to me last night is causing many people to stop in their tracks i met listen, i can make the argument that president biden is much worse threat to democracy and the >> reason for that is president biden is the first candidate in history, the first president history? that it has used the federal agencies to censor political speech. so to censor his opponent tried to overturn a free and fair election he
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tried to overturn one, right? he's he's still find any how is that? not >> a threat to democracy? >> well, i think that is a threat to democracy. if him overthrowing, trying to overthrow the election clearly is threat to democracy. but the question was who is it worse threat to democracy? and what i would say is, i am not going to answer that question, but i can argue that president biden is because the first amendment, erin, is the most important but adams and hamilton and madison said, we put a guarantee of freedom expression in the first amendment because all of our other constitutes, depend on it. if you ever government can silence its opponent it has license for any atrocity. >> so it has to be clear you're saying you could make an argument that president biden is a worse threat to democracy than absolutely. well, a couple of things to note here. kennedy, in what he was saying there was referring to a lawsuit against the biden administration over the administration is request that
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social media accounts be restricted because of misinformation can be tweeted, among other things, a false claim that baseball legend in hank aaron died from complications from the covid vaccine >> but >> in the context of all of this, it is very important to recognize that kennedy is polling. he has been polling in the double digits consistently. he is trying and says that he will be successful in getting on the ballot in every state and the district of columbia >> so as words matter and democrats and republicans are worried, he is making inroads with voters. trump tonight holding, holding rally in the crucial battleground, state of wisconsin, which he wanted 2016, but narrowly lost in 2020. >> it is a state >> where jill stein one could very well make a case is who determined who won that election. and we're rfk junior could determine who wins the election. kristen holmes, is that that trump rally in green bay? kristen trump's team knows that every single vote in a state like wisconsin, is crucial. so what are you learning about the strategy there? >> absolutely critical
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battleground state one senior adviser actually calling it a must >> donald >> trump to go back to the white house and 20 you mentioned rfk. i will tell you. i met a voter yesterday in green bag, told me they were coming to this rally tonight, that they were supporting president donald trump former president donald trump but that they had been very interested in rfk while donald biden de, as you said, aware that every >> single vote for help, they don't want to lose any single votes to rfk. now what they're doing to court voters here in wisconsin particularly is trying to paint the status quo under president biden as so terrible. they want to energize voters the show about the polls in november, they are very aware that in 2016 he added energized based donald trump. but in 2020, there were a number of people, republicans who sat out of the race because we're back, but they were really saw austin from four years of donald trump. they
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want to bring people back into the fold and make sure they're brought back to the polls in november. they're doing that with a message particularly on immigration. donald trump has been ramping up his anti-immigration rhetoric and that's well, i want to today, both in michigan and wisconsin, talking about how migrants are animals weaken them to violent crime. and aaron, as we have reported over and over again the data shows that immigrants and migrants are far less likely to commit crimes than citizens. however, there have been a number of high-profile recent cases that donald trump has really latched onto see the sec key talking point for him. and it comes at a time where most americans, according to polling, are most concerned about immigration in the 2024, november election. so he is really hoping that that propels him back to the white house in 2024. the other part of his messaging in michigan and wisconsin is trying to reach those working class voters well, those voters that broke for him in 2016, but did not break for him in 2020. he's talking about entitlement
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plans. he is telling everyone there are going to be tax breaks for everybody in the crowd. he's talking about, you unions and working class voters and how he's going to support them. >> again >> all of this messaging is driving it towards november 2024 because as you know, they know every single vote counts all right, kristen, thank you very much at that rally and green bay, i want to go now to emmy award winning tv host mike rowe famously known for the hit show dirty jobs. he was also approached by rfk junior about the vp slot on his ticket. my good to see you again so you hear trump in michigan. he says, and i quote him. if we don't win on november 5th, i think our country is going to cease to exist. now, mike u-bend all 50 states about twice in the past year. so you've spoken to many of the people that this message is aimed at do you think they believe it >> you know, last time we talked there and i i think i
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said twice, i i'm so worried about painting with too broad a brush and what i see happening everywhere. i look and from a lot of the people i've talked to, i think they feel the same way. i don't want to put words in their mouth people are certainly scared >> the question >> is, what are they most scared of? i mean, a couple of years ago, people sounded pretty certain when they said the world was coming to an end in ten or 12 years, a lot of people still believe that. yeah, i think a lot of people do believe this election is going to be hugely consequential is it rem is at the end of the world as we know it, i doubt it. i mean, as long as i've been walking around and as long as bipeds have been on the planet, there have been all sorts of prognostications, have all sorts of terrible calamities, bad things happen. i don't have a crystal ball, but i do sense it you know, i do sense a lot of people are feeling like something something else needs to be on
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the menu. at least for now. >> all right, so to that point you were on this shortlist for rfk juniors vp slot. you met with him. i know you told me, you know, your words, it became apparent youtube didn't agree on everything but then in the content of the conversation i had with him last night when he was making the point that he could argue that biden is bigger threat to democracy than trump. when you hear that, does that give you pause? do you believe that? >> i don't know. it doesn't give me real pause. these guys are all trying to get elected and they're going to ratchet the stakes up and whatever way makes most sense, their base, in my opinion, the thing that rfk said that stuck with me was really the debt. i don't here either. the current candidates talking persuasively about the practical reality of what happens when we get $250 were 45 trillion. i don't know exactly where the math becomes truly unsustainable but if i were making a list of the stuff
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that scares me the most that would be very, very clear. >> any other country in the history of the planet where we are now would be unsustainable mean we are the reserve currency, so we have a little bit of pad, but to your point, the question is how i mean, i don't them. so there's something else but he said last night, it separate from the debt point, which i hear you on, but he said something related to that into people's dissatisfaction. that i know speaks to you in many ways. let me just play that american dream when i was against that, if you worked hard, if he play a role, you could buy a house, you could finance it you could take a summer vacation, you could raise a family, you could put something aside for retirement on one job my kit, i have seven kids, aaron and none of them believed that that promise will be held applies to them >> so i know this speaks to you and what you experience. do you get the sense that his support
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because of what things that he is saying there. mike, for example, is building at this point yeah. >> i do look i didn't know if my first meeting was him was going to be five minutes are 15 minutes. it was three hours. and the reason was that was the very first thing we talked about and there's a survey in the journal worth looking at kimono six or seven months ago. it was a pretty extensive survey and the upshot was 64% of americans today believe the american dream as they define it, as either dead or no longer applicable to them that is bad. and both of us agreed that as that number ticks up, see there's no real difference between the reality of a dead dream and the perception of the reality of it. that dream. >> when >> hope and optimism start leaking out, people are going to get, things are going to get very wobbly everywhere. and i do believe that's happened. there's a sense that something fundamental, almost primal, has shifted, and it does go into
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the way we define that dream. yeah. >> so trump michigan and wisconsin today, he's there because they're swing states which have faced economic turmoil, right? again, that, this is dissatisfaction at the heart of all of this. >> you've said, mike that in the >> next few years, college in america could have a major problem because people simply just are really opting out. it's not just to talk, it's not just a thing people say, but it's a thing people are doing what are you actually seeing and how does it impact the selection >> well, what i saw two days ago was an article in the wall street journal that almost made me want to take a victory lap. i mean wow, i've been at this 16 years and i'm not anti college as you know, but i am anti debt and i am very much opposed to the idea that promoting one form of education at the expense of all the others has led to a great many unintended consequences. so this article actually showed up with the receipts more and more gen z are going to trade school. fewer and fewer are
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buying the idea that the version of the american dream that they're being sold requires them to purchase a $200,000 receipt that they can hang on the wall. the push back is real and look, this is personal for me. i've been at at 16 years and it's like watching a tanker turnaround but it's turning aaron and you can see it in virtually every metric. and the fact that gen z is being labeled as the toolbelt generation is surprising, but not shocking because the evidence demands of verdict and they're not buying it anymore. >> all right. well, micro thank you very much. of course. i know in your foundation, you are about to donate 1 million in scholarships and all related to these, these trades here over the next month. and thank you very much for your time out front now, democratic strategist, basil, michael and harry enten with us to go beyond the numbers okay. in the context of where trump is today, this whole contact about democracy and doom and gloom
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and enter the country as we know it it's being said because it's resonating with a lot of people. >> yeah. okay. that that is a reality. and mike is pointing at perhaps some of the reasons for this, that in some states, colleges prohibitively expensive, yes, people are now not just talking about it, they are opting out. what are you finding? yeah. i read that same article that mike red and then i had a conversation with your executive producer about it. people who use their hands, those who go to vocational school, right? those are folks who used to be in the center of the electorate. they used to be swing voters. you go back to 1,990 to bill clinton won that groupby about seven percentage points. who won nationwide by about six, right? look at where that group has shifted to. now, look at the new york times sienna college poll aggregate all those posts donald trump is winning that group, those vocational and trade school grads by 42 points over joe biden. this is his base that people who work with their hands our donald trump space, this used to be a group that democrats tried to compete over. and now more people are going to vocational schools. they're becoming a larger part
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of the electrode and they are that heavily, heavily, heavily favors down trump, becoming a larger part of the electorate and heavily favoring donald trump's certainly, by any measure, but specifically historically that's bad for democrats. well, i'm a college professor, so i take all of this does resonate with me quite a bit as well. this isn't as you talk about bill clinton, there was a time around his presidency where we started to push everybody to college because we thought about this as being the knowledge economy so it was important to push people to college, but two mike's point and he's right, you have a generation or more of individuals with increasing college debt, with burdensome college debt that can't really speak to their economic aspirations because there are so mired in that. so yeah, we're seeing a lot more people choose vocations, but i actually think that this is an opportunity for the biden administration. he's been according organized labor. he has some support already. this is for him to work with
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organized labor to say, look, let's talk about the management of organized labor >> get out with the actual organelles. >> sure. i mean, obviously the rank-and-file is going to be really important. but even with the leadership, because it's the leadership that we'll talk about and be able to expand on those apprenticeship programs that can bring on a lot of those voters but there, there, there, there's, this great statistic then, and it's a tough one that the starter home which used to be really affordable for most americans, is practically gone. only 10% of the homes that are available now, or what we used to consider startup so what organized labor has historically done is move people into the middle-class, including providing opportunities for housing. that is where i think that partnership with organized labor is really beneficial for the biden administration if >> if you had just in a simple way contrast right now, trump in rfk and there's lots of differences in overlaps not trying to do a full analysis here. i'm just saying trump talks about the end of america, the last election will ever have rfk is identifying the
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same negative things, but trying to be idealistic about solutions, okay, so there's that i suppose the, into the emotional difference between the two is the interest in rfk growing? are people responding to that? >> certainly since your interview last night, i went to google searches, it's one of those things where you can really see something spike and what you see is, since your interview outfront outfront last night google searches for rfk or up 149%. and this is something that we've been seeing over the last week as well, right? what we've seen rfk searches over the last week significantly higher than they've been basically at any point during the rest of the campaign. and more than that, what's interesting is where those searchers are so high, right? they tend to be high in the great lakes battleground states. look at wisconsin and michigan, wisconsin and michigan, wisconsin, second most nationwide, michigan, 11th most nationwide, pennsylvania, 14th moat nationwide the fact is donald trump is in wisconsin night. he doesn't just have to worry about joe biniaz to worry about rfk junior. >> well, and those were the states, of course, which were the deciders last time around. all right. thank you both very
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>> smiling in one of her final moldings. zomi frankcom, an australian aid worker, one of the seven world central kitchen employees, killed by an israeli airstrike as they delivered to a warehouse in central gaza >> i >> do us citizen, uk nationals, a polish man and a palestinian, also amongst those killed the hum of war drones, drowning out the sound of ambulance sirens as their bodies were brought to a >> hospital after the strike the two nate trying to bring relief to the more than 1 million gazans, the un says are now facing famine now in body bags the logo with the aid organization, a reminder of the lengths to charity went to to protect its own >> traveling as they were
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according to the world so central kitchen through a deconflicted zone, whilst coordinating their movements with the idf the charity, which was central in getting around the blockade by getting the first maritime shipment of aid into gaza. now saying that it needs to assess its future in the strip israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu acknowledged the tragic loss of what he described as innocent lives let's have no by my mouth whole niamey cut doggy. >> unfortunately, in the last day, there was a tragic case of our forces unintentionally hitting innocent people in the gaza strip. it happens in war. we will investigate it right to the end so far, at least 196 aid workers have lost their lives in the occupied >> territories since the start of the war, according to the un agency tasked with relief, there the world central kitchen
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workers, just the latest among them, the palestinian driver and translator safety, some able to haul his loved ones forced to say goodbye to a man who died trying to help others to survive >> now the >> idf have just released a video, aaron showing the chief of general staff left tenant herzi halevi, apologizing in english for the mistake explaining that a preliminary investigation that they've been able to carry out shows that this was a case of misidentification. the idf had never intended. he any harm to be done to the world central kitchen workers also announcing that a new command center has been set up by the idf to coordinate its work with the aid organizations in order to make sure this kind of thing never happen again, aaron moos to thank you very much. and i want to go now to tau heinrich. she's a spokesperson for the
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israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and you are obviously here in new york. i know for a bit tau what what's the very latest are able to tell us about the strike so this is what the idf chief of staff just came out and said in his nighttime statement that it wasn't it was obviously a very >> tragic mistake. there was no intention here of harming the aid workers that was a mistake that followed misidentification during nights. very complex conditions in a battle zone, tragedies do happen during war, but we should make sure that something of this kind will never happen again during this war. this is why the defense minister, the prime minister, as you just heard, they ordered to carry out an investigation. it will be transparent one. we will share the findings of which i believe it will take a few days or maybe a bit more and we will share the findings of which with the public and with the aid organizations. these are the good guys, aaron this is one of the aid groups that was out there right after
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the october is october 7 massacre on the ground helping israeli and palestinian civilians. we extend our condolences he says to their families, the countries from which they came >> premise or benjamin netanyahu has apologized to, of course, he called the strike a tragic case of our forces unintentionally hitting innocent people >> but as >> everyone tries to understand this, even in the context of the ongoing investigation, the world central kitchen team was coordinating its movements with the idf so that they would know where they we're the idf obviously conducts precision, precision targeting they put out a statement, world central kitchen. they said they were traveling in a deconflicted zone in two armored cars. and the world central kitchen logo is clearly visible. in this context of all of this. and as i mentioned, the precision with which israel is capable well, and the names it's missiles. longtime israeli reporter barak ravid's of this today, here is >> i think i heard a lot of israeli officials today that were highly frustrated by the
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fact that somebody in the idf, most likely a very senior officer, at least a kernel, you need at least a kernel not to approve such a strike so somebody did approve it on a quite high level in the idf. and does a lot of frustration that such a thing happen when it's clearly clearly against all the rules of engagement? >> it's telling that context. i'm just going to hone in on the word unintentional in a precision missile environment which israel conducts, every strike is intentional, or, you know, you're aiming for something. so there was a precise aim. it would appear by any measure of rules of engagement for that particular convoy at that particular time? hi, right. >> i don't want to jump into conclusions, especially sit here in new york as war is raging in my part of the world back in israel and jumping to conclusions because i think we have, i don't have the exact details of what transpired there, and we will have to wait for the finding of the
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investigation. but what i can say and i think it's it's really important here is that when we make mistakes, when israel makes mistakes, even the most tragic wants to admit. and i was here on this program before we discuss the different tragic that took place during the past six months in which our hostages were mistakenly shot at three of our hostages. we take responses its ability, we admit to the most painful incidents. so we tell the truth even when it's the most inconvenient thing to stay >> so let me ask you about something that is a painful truth, and that is the fact that tens of thousands of gazans have been killed since this began. and many of them are innocent people. and we can talk about what the numbers are, but that is a reality on the ground just the past few days to how we have all been confronted with these images from al shifa right at the hospital >> and after the 14 day siege that the idf was conducting, and they say that obviously there were hamas operatives there, and that that's what they were targeting the
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hospital's been obliterated, their body but he's everywhere. obviously, it's no longer functional >> you >> say this is necessary to eradicate hamas. but i do wonder when you talk about inconvenient truths how does israel justify killing so many innocent people? >> in this first, i am glad that you said that we need to discuss these numbers because we because we have to take hamas as numbers with a huge spoon of salt, not a grain of salt, because what i can tell you the facts and the truth according to our assessment and the facts that we have in that is that we we eliminated more than 13,000 commas palestinian islamic jihad terrorists >> we took out 19 of the hamas battalions out there. one of the reasons why we have to operate in rafah, for instance, the southern city in gaza is because we need to take out the four remaining battalions were talking about 7,000, 8,000 terrorists there so the reason why we have to eradicate hamas
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and you also brought brought up this point is because you and i don't want to sit here in six months a year, two years, and have this conversation again, tell are we going to be sitting here because a lot of the people there that are losing people in their lives are children and if they survive, they're going to grow up. and what are they going to think about israel? what are they going to do? i mean how can you all actually say you're eradicating terrorism and eradicating hamas in the context of what's actually happening in gaza. >> well, we'll have to look at historical example germany after world war ii, d radicalized and you don't see nazism you have it as an ideology, but not with, with the grip of a country. this is exactly what we wants to do with hamas. yes, there will be radicals out there and you can't root out their ideology to the extent that we wish. but israel will have to maintain some overriding security responsibility in gaza two
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operate against attempts at resurgence of terrorism after and the day after hamas. i mean, and also work on deradicalization of the palestinian society exactly for the reason that you and i don't want to sit here again and we want to see a better future for israelis and palestinians alike. >> all right, well, thank you very much. i appreciate it. i appreciate the conversation, of course, in a very number day. thank you. >> we told you about zomi frankcom. she was a senior manager at world central kitchen outfront, spoke to one of her good friends, josh phelps today and he had worked with her for years. their last conversation was two days ago. the day before she was killed said zomi was fearless and relentless and the getting aid into gaza and succeeding. were many gop ferments have failed was her mission >> valmy was a very ambitious, sometimes stubborn, individual who knew what she wanted in life, and that was to build friendships all over the world. she deserved to be able to do more of that. it's unfortunate
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that she can't that's regrettable. that it's not continuing because she really was somebody who was following in her dreams and we don't all have the guts to do that >> and our thoughts, of course, with somebody's family and the others who were killed tonight well, next tonight on this program, trump practically during a judge to call him out for violating gag order, proustian clip criticizing a new york judge's daughter. could he actually face jail time if you divide the gag order plus new video tonight of a brazen attack by ukraine one of russia's biggest oil refineries has been hit and it's about 700 miles from the ukrainian border >> news night with abby phillip tonight at ten eastern on cnn >> okay. everyone, our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition or strength and energy
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america. >> lot >> monday at one on cnn or streaming on that tonight, donald trump practically airing the court to find him in violation of his gag order in the stormy daniels hush money case, >> trump posting a clip from fox news that criticizes the daughter of judge merchant just hours after the gag order was expanded to specifically prohibit trump from attacking the judges family trump's posts, quoting law professor jonathan turley saying, quote, the integrity of the new york legal system is at stake here. the clip also included these comments from fox news is brian kill me >> the fact is the judge's daughter, what is a activist who worked for kamala harris and there were some dispute on whether she did have a pick sure. up on a website with donald trump behind bars that to me is something that if donald trump i'm cool concerned about. the judge has a daughter who feels this way all right. >> so it's important just to have one factual clarification here. the judge's daughter
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posting a photo of trump behind bars that has been debunked, did not happen, ryan ryan goodman, or outfront legal analyst is with me, so ryan so trump gets the gag order prohibited from attacking family members. have judge merchant and then retweets this particular clip. does this violate the gag order? or is trump's safe because it's not him saying it, it's someone else. >> i think it violates the gragg older. so if the very words out of brian kill me, its mouth came on trump's mouth or out of his keyboard. if he typed those words, they would be in violation of the gag order. that is the smear that's being repeated against the judge's daughter. the fact that trump is instead posting a video of somebody else saying it runs afoul of the gag order. that is him still making a statement. and i think that the judge will have to carefully look at this because if he gives it a pass, then he's really is getting a pass to it, a violation, >> but then what happens if he says it's a violation? >> i think that it's going to be a quick ratcheting up. the
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judge has already signaled that he has an intolerance for violations of his orders. and i think first step might be something that's financial. second step might be financial and i think third is actually potentially lowering the boom, which is he will treat trump as you would treat any defendant and that would mean jail time if he violates a gag order multiple times. >> so we're walking up to that line. >> it really looks like it wow. so >> in manhattan, but district attorney alvin bragg is also fighting back, so he's rejecting a bid by trump to have judge merchant recuse himself citing his daughter's political work of working for kamala harris >> now, i know you always say >> kellyanne conway famously would say stop, end george conway, right? stop judging me for my spouse, right? so people have the ability to have family members have different political views and do different things in that context as chun need to recuse are not >> he does not. >> in >> fact, this has come up before and the litigation with merchant himself and about his daughter, trump had raised this before is an idea of recusal.
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and then in august of 2023, judge merchant actually issues an opinion in which he says, i sought the advice of the new york state's committee on judicial ethics and they told me specifically and then accord he has as he says, quote, we see nothing in the inquiry to suggest the outcome of the case could have any effect on the judge's relative the relative is business or any of their interests and quote nothing has changed. these are the same kinds of allegations and nothing about his daughter's business is directly tied to the case, would have to be that she is one of the parties one of the witnesses are why the council is a client of hers. none of them assists. all right. so i want to ask you about a brand new analysis your team has published. i'm just security about the people currently in dc jail related to january 6 charges. okay. so you say they're 29 january 6? mates currently being held, their 29 being held 27 of them have been charged with the salting law enforcement officers in the capital. so that's 90% have had bad charge trump though is promoting a
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vigil for them. he has repeatedly said that he will free them or pardon them and he has referred to them as hostages. >> you have the hostages, the j6 hostage, as i call them, these were great patriot and they were unbelievable patriots >> so 90% of them have been charged with assaulting law enforcement officers hostages, and patriots. that was how he refers to that. >> yeah. so the study is basically to finally pen down who exactly the people are. so if he wants to hold a vigil for the january 6 inmates in the dc jail >> yeah. and then he calls them political prisoners. and when he goes out onto the campaign stump, he plays the anthem by the january 6 quiet the acquires the january 6 inmates in dc so who are they? so then when decided to investigate that and the day after he announced the vigil, we have the exact list from the dc corrections facility and it shows 93% of them are charged with assaulting law enforcement
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officers on january 6, and it's agreed jus actions and the majority of them already been convicted or pleaded guilty to it so these are the kind of the worst of the worst >> all right. and as you say, it, convicted or pleaded guilty right. so they are have done that. >> all right. thank you. ryan >> and now >> incredible new video tonight of ukrainian strike. this, strike is deep inside i'd russia a hundreds of miles past the ukraine border, and it actually targets one of putin's biggest oil refineries. >> as >> ukrainian president is facing a crisis, taking a drastic action to recruit more fighters. plus polls about to close in an important election that could cause an oklahoma council member his job. >> the reason is >> his ties to white nationalist hey, there, brenda, it's carroll. secondly, which like a we operating on? >> you mean arm >> it's, all connected asking the right question can greatly impact your future. >> you share your an >> orthopedist, actually, i'm a sagittarius specially when it comes to your finances, give a
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territory. about 700 miles away from the ukrainian border. and this actually was captured on this video. now, we are learning that a factor that was fumbling iranian attack drones in the region was also targeted. this is significant for a lot of reasons, not just the target itself, but also the distance that i mentioned. it is the farthest inside russia that ukraine has attack that we know of since the war began. as i mentioned, it is more than 700 miles from the border in front. now, jon sarlin, here's a former us ambassador to russia and ambassador sure. it's always great to have you with us and i'm so glad that we're together tonight. so i mean, 700 miles deep inside russia, the farthest they've gone, a major refinery >> it does come in the >> context of ukraine lowering the draft age, which has been hugely controversial and a big issue. they've had to do that because they need fighters, they're running out of ammunition, they're running out of weapons they're in dire straits. sure >> nonetheless, this is a >> very significant accomplishment for them what do you read into this? there >> they were able to successfully do something like this.
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>> well, you're right, aaron, it's a very significant development, but it's an example of how the ukrainians have been able to off the battlefield, off the bat battlefield on the ground in ukraine, whether it's the russian black sea fleet, which has been driven away from ukrainian territory. or strikes inside russia, including drones over the kremlin and hitting the center of moscow, ukraine through ingenuity. and resistance to the russians have been able to inflict blows on the russians but they're stalled on the battlefield and that's a problem. >> and they are. and of course, the draft age. now down to 27 to 25 and 27. i know they want to bring it down even further, but even that has been hugely difficult for them to do and perhaps the reason we've seen so much turmoil in the upper ranks there so in this context of weapon deliveries and ukraine, we already are seeing so many difficulties from that, from the united states. we're learning that the united states and allies are considering putting control of weapon deliveries to ukraine, right? >> under nato, right under nato
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>> control. and that they're specifically considering doing that because they think if done i don't trump wins. and if donald trump wins, they don't want him to be able to stop those weapons delivery, so they're putting the weapons under the procedural control of nato itself. what does that say to you? >> well, a couple of things are in first of all, at the start of the war nato, the united states or nato la's resisted having this type of involvement by nato as an organization. nato numbers individual countries coordinated by the united states with the polls, the germans, et cetera. at the year basin rammstein, we didn't want us to be a nato versus russia conflict what that suggests to me now, if there, if that's under consideration is for reason, you've just said is trying to make this not the united states supporting ukraine or the united states and our individual nato allies, but nato itself, yeah, the concern was that it would provoke russia. it would be nato at war against russia. but the risk that ukraine isn't going to be
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able to serve five if it doesn't get the necessary weapons and may necessary. >> so i want to ask you one other important question regarding a putin right now and his actions. and that is the attack on iran's embassy in syria. 13 people were killed bear obviously, russia has huge interests in syria united states that it didn't have a partner in the attack, correct put now eyes to maybe i'd have obviously former prime minister says, this, said this today when he was asked what arounds response should be, he said it would be interesting to see what would happen if iran hypothetically attack the us embassy in israel. i see vivid fear and confusion in the eyes of americans obviously, he throws around a lot of bluster, but can you tell us why he matters? >> well, he's the former president of russia. when he was president in 2008 to 2012, we in the west study was a potential liberal reformer of russia. putin came back as president, thought and medvedev was weak. and now he's trying to prove himself, prove his metal is a russian nationalists, his language has been over the top for years.
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it's increased in bellicosity after the war started, he refers to the united states and the united kingdom as anglo-saxon perverts i mean, this guy is rhetoric is over-the-top. >> all right. thank you very much, ambassador. it's very good to see you do see you are in person. thank you. >> next polls are just about to close and special election that could cost a man's job after he marched alongside neo-nazis and white nationalists, who he is he, and do voters care? >> he does have supporters in e1 and then that's the really frightening part >> so would you get to now? >> just feel hot tenders and three mandarin orange tenders. i >> what about you? >> three classic tenders for better sram and for of accountability >> know, always a competition i am the shrimp buck i brought in a short max protein with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy and just two weeks here, i'll take that ensure not to 30 grams protein one sugar, 25 vitamins
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regain his lunch break. try now for free. visit otter.ai. ai or download the app. >> anderson cooper 360 >> next on >> cnn >> an oklahoma city council member with white nationalist ties could be voted out of a job in any moment this man, judd blevins, once marched with neo-nazis and allegedly recruited for white nationalists now he's facing a recall when the polls close in, just moments at lavanderia is out front in enid, oklahoma tonight
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>> when neo-nazis and white nationalist hate groups march through charlottesville, virginia in 2017. this man named judd blevins from oklahoma oh, man. was in the crowd. he says he was there to protest the removal of confederate statues blevins returned to oklahoma for the monitoring group known as right wing watch later reported he worked as a recruiter for a white nationalist group and posted offensive comments in an online discussion forum. he has since said he disavows these messages then last year, blevins was elected to the city council in enid, oklahoma, 808 people voted. blevins one by 36 votes. blevins past had mostly flown under the radar until a small group of progressive activists in enid sounded the alarm about blevins joining the charlottesville march they're trying to get him voted off the council was very, very
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disturbing and frightening and i thought how is this still happening in this, in this year? >> kristi balden volunteers with the enid social justice committee which organized a recall drive. today, voters will decide if blevins keeps his city council seat. >> we want to hit as many doors, as many addresses as we can efficiently play and politely, get everybody out to vote. >> these volunteers are asking residents to vote for the other candidates on the ballot. cheryl patterson but they're finding not all voters are turning against blevins, who was a marine veteran and is fighting to keep his counsel seat. >> he does have supporters in ina then that's the really frightening part. >> there's real tension around this case. >> yes, there really is >> i will stand before the voters aboard one, and i will finn the job i've done here blevins makes it hard to know where he stands at times apologetic and other times defiant. he denies identifying as a white nationalist or white supremacist, but has also asked for forgiveness i am a
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different man today than i was yesterday and there is no hate in my heart that hasn't convinced the city's conservative leadership. they tried to censor him last fall for his failure to apologize and explain his connections to white nationalism, saying his statements have caused disruption and discontent in the city. judd blevins declined to speak with cnn, but he's tried to distance himself from white nationalist organizations >> and if i've offended anyone in here, then i ask to be forgiven. >> that speech led to this extraordinary moment with the only black city council member, derwin norwood. >> and i want to do one thing before we quit you stand up do you love me? >> yes, i do. >> as a brother in christ i love you too >> i'll forgive you >> up until that moment i struggled with it but i forgave
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them in our realize that in forgiving him, i freed myself from becoming what he was or still may be, blevins has tried to disavow his controversial history, but he's also tried to justify his past actions raising questions about whether he's truly changed. >> but i'm not going to play this game where i take things that the media says are problems from america's past that are no longer the problems today and pretend like they're serious issues. they're not when you heard >> that, what did you think? >> he doesn't understand what he's saying? our last council meeting i looked out, i'm just like i'm looking at you and i said, man to you realize it was a that put his blood in a out there on the line for you, frankly, pushing back on this anti-white hatred that is so common in media and entertainment. >> if someone's like that in their private life, do they have any business serving in a
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government position? >> absolutely not. absolutely not because we gave an oath, we raised our right hand and we swore to the people that we serve everyone equally. and rightfully >> so polls here are closing and just about two minutes. and so we expect to add the election results later this evening ironically, there's actually a city council meeting going on in the building behind me. but judd blevins is not here tonight aaron. >> absolutely fascinating and credit report. thank you so much. ed. and thanks to all of you for being with us for that and for our show tonight, let's handed off now to ac30, 60 with anderson tonight on three 60, the former president tries again to get >> his new york judge off the case. the manhattan de a response as a clock ticks down to his hush in a file also tonight trunk campaigning to