ohio valley, make sure you have warnings turned on on your phone, either unknown weather radio turned on or some other way to get a warning. if a tornado is heading to you, the likelihood is going down now that it's getting dark but it's not over. we still have potential for severe weather overnight tonight >> anderson. >> and there's going to be possible as rain and snow. i know there's already been reading up on the northeast. there may be snow dwell, right? >> that's right. i mean, there is a blizzard warning right now for the up of michigan, that upper part of michigan with snow and wind, wind could be 50 to 60 miles per hour. this is what we get this time of year, spring saying, hey, i'm here winter saying, hey, not so fast. and that's this clash of error for masses that brings all of this together. >> all right, chad myers, thanks very much like to go over the news continues. the source of kaitlan collins starts now state from the

source tonight donald trump dodging questions about >> abortion on the campaign trail as a top democratic governor who wants president biden to push the issue four is here. you'll hear from michigan governor gretchen whitmer in moments and at the white house, biden hosting muslim american leaders, but only a few of them after many rejected his invitation with anger building over the war in gaza. one palestinian doctor who spoke at that meeting to president biden will tell me why he walked out. and dramas and promising to free january 6 inmates and dc jails? yes. that convicted criminals that he calls hostages often. but a new report details how almost all of them were charged with assaulting law enforcement. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source but. >> we start with our top story tonight as donald trump is back on the trail before we're

going on trial two weeks from now if our president was in a pair of states that could make or break his 2024 campaign. michigan and wisconsin. these are states of course at trump narrowly won in 2016, then narrowly lost four years later he spent much of today trying to make people as afraid as possible. it seemed speaking in pretty ominous terms and warning about violence consuming american cities even though of course, as we know from the data, crime is actually down and major cities trump used the phrase bloodbath once again, but this time talking about the southern border, repeating his baseless claim that other nations are sending quote, yes, i'm quoting him now prisoners, murderers, drug dealers, mental patients, and terrorist to the us it's a claim we've heard from him before and we've asked his campaign many times for evidence of all of that. they have still yet to this day to provide any but there was one topic though that trump himself

seemed afraid to weigh in on mr. president, do you support the six-week abortion ban that the florida supreme court just upheld >> next week, abortion >> next week, where have we heard that before >> we'll keep you updated on what happens, what is on his calendar next week. but in the meantime, president biden is wasted. no time responding to that non-cancer writing and i'm quoting biden now saying you already made your statement, donald and circling the part where trump had bragged and the past that he was able to quote, kill roe versus wade. and also underlining that part where he said without me, there would be no six weeks of course, that means a ban on abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, which is about to be the law and the state of florida i the supreme court cleared the way. but yesterday there, as you saw that decision, but they also gave voters a say on that and

the ballot this fall, it's an issue that is proven to be potent for democrats and states like michigan, where voters made their voices heard and enshrined abortion rights into the state's constitution in 2022 while also reelected, the governor who had made that issue central to her campaign >> let's go >> straight to the source tonight with democratic governor of michigan gretchen whitmer, who is also the national co-chair for the biden campaign governor. it's great to have you here tonight. i want to get into your bill in a moment, but for president trump was in your state today he did not give an opinion when he was asked out florida's six-week abortion ban that is going to go into effect it and just 29 days from now, i wonder what you made of the fact that he had nothing to say about one of the strictest abortion bans in the nation and his home state i think it just tells you got to watch what the guide does, not listen to what he says. he changes his position all the time on this, but we cannot forget his actions. speak louder than any words he's

uttering yesterday or tomorrow. he's the one that put three court justices on the supreme court that overruled roe v. wade put out the dobbs decision and has created a patchwork of rights and freedoms across this country that people are speaking out against and are now trying to take to the ballots in their individual states. so let's be very clear that the reason we've got this mess is because of donald trump and regardless of what he says, his position is now that factor remains what you signed a bill in your state this week ending michigan's criminal ban on paid surrogacy and surrogacy contracts. i think it would surprise a lot of people to know that this was even still a legal michigan was the last state where it was. why was this important for you to do? >> i agree. it's crazy that it was still on the books we also had that 1931 law that would have made michigan one of the most restrictive states in the country if we hadn't amended our constitution to protect abortion rights this law would

criminalize anyone who paid for surrogacy it was. something that made sense to get rid of, take it off the books. i don't know why it was put on in the first place. but when we saw the alabama court issue there, ivf ruling, we heard republicans all the country say we support ivf. we want families to be able to start. we support the science. and yet here in michigan, when we took this surrogacy prohibition off the books only two republicans voted to support that, and ivf. and so just tells you, i think bet to my first point is you can listen to what people say, but you really got to watch what they do. and in michigan, we're trying to make this a state where you are in control of when and whether or not you barrett child and you've got lots of options of how you start that family, whether it's surrogacy or ivf or protecting it under the law. >> well, given what you signed this week, given the measure that was on the ballot in 2022, about enshrining the right to an abortion in the state's constitution. in michigan, there is still that 24 hour

waiting period to get an abortion given that you're the governor's mansion and democrats control both chambers, why hasn't your party been able to deliver on repealing that >> well, you know was, a part of our >> initial package that we tried to get done last year. we did have a couple of democrats that didn't support it and we've got very, very slim margins and michigan that should be no surprise to anyone. that's why the whole world is going to be watching michigan as we go into this presidential election. were very close state. we go back-and-forth and so right now in our house, it's a 54, 54 tie. you lose one democrat if you can't get the agenda done on a party-line votes, so we're going to continue to work to banned access to abortion rights. but most importantly i'm going to work my tail off to make sure that we elect reelect joe biden because we know that a second trump term means all the progress we've made. michigan could be set back if we have a president who wants to sign an abortion ban, well, you just mentioned the

concerns it's about what happened in alabama with the supreme court there and the ivf ruling. and really what that could mean for other reproductive rights on that ruling in alabama, you have not said whether or not you agree that that frozen embryos are considered people. what is your position on that? >> who cares what my position is, kaitlyn, what matters is what the parents and their doctor agree is whatever is right for them, how they define it. that's the only one whose opinions should matter, not a judge, not a politician, not a governor from a different state that's what the fundamental question russian is. here. are we going to empower americans to make their own health care decisions and make decisions about how they go about starting their family and whether or not they go about starting a family. and that's what i'm fighting for here at michigan. >> you have been out in the forefront on this issue though. i think people would care what you what you think of that i'm not a doctor and i'm not in any

one individual situation when we did this surrogacy bill yesterday, we heard from parents who >> went through ivf couldn't carry a baby to term, so had a surrogate do that when they saw all of the laws that were changing they were worried that they would lose the ability to make a decision about those embryos. and a couple of the parents that are event testified that they decided to have the embryo is destroyed. that was their decision. they were their embryos. i don't think that the government or any politician should get in the middle of that choice? >> you just mentioned, president biden's reelection campaign and working on that effort, obviously, you're a co-chair of it in january, you said that you believed more blunt language from him on abortion on this issue would be helpful, but i wonder if you've seen any noticeable change since then this president is the loop person who has, whether it's through orders, through his departments at the federal level

>> or a vow to the american people to make sure that if he gets him the opportunity to appoint a supreme court justice he gets a congress that will send him a bill to codify the rights on a roe v wade, he'll sign it. i mean, he is he is right there on the issues and there's no question about that in my mind. i think the big question is, what is donald trump's position going to be at any given time? and if he's back in the white house whether it's a threat to democracy or threat to these fundamental rights, or just to rights as individuals with dignity in this country, i think all of that is unknown and i think it's very scary. >> but president biden, he didn't >> even use the word >> abortion in his state of the union speech. i mean do you think that b should be able to be saying this in his speeches? if this is going to be a big issue that democrats are running on >> well, i've, i think we all know where he's at, but to your point, i do think that every advocate out there should listen to women and understand how we talk about these rights.

whether it is as a local official or it is someone on the federal level i've done so many roundtables across michigan. that is why i feel very comfortable using language that people are using, whether it is a failed miscarriage that didn't complete and you have to go to the doctor's office we used to call that a d&c. it's an abortion. >> right? we know that we've used different terminology for different situations, but to terminate a pregnancy or two for complete a a miscarriage. that is an abortion. and i think that's why the language does matter. yeah. >> okay. it's you said it does it matter that language does matter? the reason trump was in your state today was in addition to being asked about abortion, he was there to talk about immigration, which has obviously been an issue that he is used to his advantage politically ever since the 2016 campaign, president biden told you and other governors over a month ago, i believe it was february 20 third, that he was considering new executive

action on the border. do you understand why he hasn't taken any of that executive action that he was considering >> much the former president was in grand rapids today and he was capitalizing on a horrible tragedy that happened here. there is a family that is grieving the loss of ruby garcia and she was a real person with a real story. and it is a horrible story that happened. all of that being said, he came into the perpetrate the continued story line that he'd had done everything keep us safe, which is baloney. we know that under the trump administration he actually called me the governor of michigan to ask that we send the national guard to help with surveillance on the southern border, and we helped him out because he couldn't get it done he's also the reason that the negotiation in washington dc didn't come to fruition, he torpedoed a deal that would have had the strongest border

security in decades in this country that president biden put on the table. he at, told republicans to walk away and they did. so. >> i've really i cannot abide when someone comes in and just tries to score political points off of someone else's pain and perpetuates a problem instead of actually trying to solve it. >> well, he also invoked you by name. one point, i just want everyone to listen to what he had decided out. >> the radical left-wing governor, gretchen whitmer, real beauty. she is. i had to deal with her and covid biden and whitmer are stealing your money to give free housing to illegals and then asking you to quarter these people, put them in your homes and freedom and do everything else. and it's just the whole thing is so, is so crazy and she's a terrible governor by the way, your streets or bid your everything's bad do you want to respond to that >> not particularly. i mean, it's it's baloney and anyone

in michigan knows that. i was reelected by almost 11 points. so a year-and-a-half ago, i'm proud to be the governor of michigan and we're making great progress here, thanks to the biden infrastructure play ban. we're actually fixing the dam roads, but there's a lot of good stuff happening in michigan and i just think those those talking points don't matter a whole lot. two people every day, michiganders are hard working people. they want liters whose see what they're struggling with. and to solve those problems. and that's exactly what i will continue to stay focused dan and i know that's what president biden will continue to stay focused on. >> what michigan is going to matter a whole lot to the 2024 election. of course, both president biden and for president trump will be a michigan a lot. i expect over the next six months or so. and obviously, one of the key issues here has been what's happening in gaza and how the situation has only deteriorated there. and we've seen so much anger from arab americans about the way that president biden is handling this war >> what are you >> hearing people in your state about that

>> why it's gut wrenching, caitlin, michigan is a state that has a robust jewish population and a robust muslim population palestinian population era of american population. they're not all one in the same. and i think that it's really important to do everything we can to support people here. that's why i've worked so hard to make sure that people are safe in their communities wherever they worship. i'm trying to get people out of the region in the early days, but i really do hope that we see the release of hostages and the cessation of violence that is playing out because there have been too many innocent lives taken. and it's just gut wrenching people in michigan many people are one degree of separation from someone who's at risk of starving are as lost their lives or is being held hostage. and i think that's why this is so, so important that we continue to try to resolve this and use every ounce of american might that we can to do that.

>> do believe that there should be a permanent ceasefire? i believe that the hostages need to >> be released and that the violence needs to stop, and we need to really talk about rebuilding gaza and supporting the palestinians. >> but would that be some people have called for a permanent one, president biden is called for one for at least six weeks, i believe with the release of hostages where are you >> well, i would like to save i would like to see a peaceful resolution here. >> i don't know that that that >> is on the horizon immediately, but i sure as heck hopes so >> governor gretchen whitmer, great to have you on the source. thanks for joining us. >> thank you >> and as the other part of that abortion issue in florida, now that it's going to be on the ballot in november, there's a big question of whether or not democrats now believe the state could be in play for them the biden campaign chair seems to think so. plus, what happened inside a meeting at the white house, just tonight between president

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sham people are at six weeks. some people are threatened trump president trump is going to make it what he thinks is great for the country and what's fair for the country. >> one more chance. you did not answer whether or not you've signed a federal abortion ban or how many weeks into pregnancy you believe abortion should be banned. >> but i given you the answer probably four times already. which one i'm looking i'm looking at a solution that's going to that was last may. here we are now in april and still no firm number from the former president. i am doing now tonight by cnn political commentator and former obama administration official van jones and cnn political contributor and the former republican lieutenant governor of georgia geoff duncan, jeff, i've been i guess you would you look at them? as you think we're going to hear trump's stance on this six-week ban. that's going into effect in florida before or after we see a self-care plan that sound bite you heard reminded me of a

politician on ice skates called backwards. he didn't have an answer. so the question and quite honestly, i mean, look, this is a tough issue for republicans to, if we're talking about ivf, if we're talking about the monocular of abortion were losing ground and it's a difficult subject. i think the republican strategy on this has got to just lean into what the courts did. and they did push it back to the states and each state is going to decide governor whitmer state he is not a heartbeat bill or heartbeat state. georgia is brian kemp beat stacey abrams because the majority of georgians thought it was okay to have it recognized that heartbeat florida is going to be on a separate issue, but this is not a winning issue, just like immigration isn't a winning issue for democrats, right? if we forced democrats to talk about immigration every time they're on the stump, they're gonna be, it's gonna be losing issue well then on this issue, specifically, i mean, it seems like it's reignited a lot of hope for democrats when they look at florida, but that is a state that is, you know, his broken a >> lot of democratic carts over the years and i saw some republicans tweeting out means today about lucy and the football, but it's just making

democrats think maybe florida's within reach because abortion and it's going to be on the ballot. what do you think >> i think that florida is tough for democrats, but i think that this issue has to stay front and center, not for political reasons, but for human reasons as he stories just pile up and pile up of heartbreaking stories of women whose lives are being risks, whose houses being wrist, who have to travel far away. justice have basic health care that really shouldn't be happening this country, there should be a baseline of rights and respect for women's autonomy has been torn away because the trump pack, the courts with people who don't care about women's rights. your body's and so that is going to have to become a centerpiece. does it open florida up for us to somehow win that state? i don't know if it does or doesn't, but it does. it's going to be an important issue on the ballot in florida. nothing we gotta keep talking about it. >> well, jeff, you mentioned immigration, which is the issue that republicans would prefer to be talking about almost non-stop. it was trump's focus in michigan today. >> i want to

>> just listen to part of what he said is he was kind of ramping up the fear factor >> the democrat said, please don't call them animal, say humans, i said they're not yemen's the not yeah. was there animals? nancy pelosi told me that she said, please don't use the word animals or when you're talking about these people, i said, i'll use the word animal because that's what they are >> i mean, i remember back in 2018 when he said that he was only talking about ms 13 gang members when to use that kind of language. i mean, what do you make of how he framed in michigan today >> it sound by just like that that make me embarrassed to be a republican, to listen to somebody like that. that isn't that the essentially the nominee of our party talking those those terms? look, we need solutions on the border. almost everybody, including democrats except for joe biden, believed that the border needs to be secure and we need to have a plan and a strategy if we want to solve the problem, we need to go to work and invite the best and brightest to actually solve the border issue and all of these issues

right there, they're just to prime for politicizing these issues and in campaigning on them. and when you listen to sound like that, it's, it's struggling. their brutal realities of this are a majority of americans would rather for slam their finger in a car door, then vote for joe biden or donald trump right now. but we've all become victims of gravity and just showed up in this spot where we have no choice >> fan what's your response to that besides slamming your own finger at a car door or nothing, i say lieutenant governor, is that he says that biden doesn't doesn't care about the issue in fact, biden and all the democrats were willing to do a deal. i thought that the republicans would jump at that deal. it was a toughest deal that democrats ever signed off on with nothing for us know pathway to citizenship, now the values we have just trying to do something about helping at the border and donald trump slammed the entire congress, has handed a car door and stop that from getting dance when you talk about politicizing and that kind of stuff i hope that americans realize whatever donald trump says about the border now, it's his open border he is keeping the border

open if if it's open, he's keeping it open and i do think that we could do a lot better than we're doing right now. >> well, and i think we've seen, you know, why trump wanted that bill killed. i mean republicans make clear was because he thought it would be run on and look at what the rnc did today. they introduced a new website. it's called biden bloodbath they're basically blaming him for what's happening on the border. i mean, jeff you weren't you were just saying thereabout comments like that make you embarrassed to be republican. i mean, is bloodbath. now the new campus pain slogan, the republicans are going to be running on and 2024 >> jan van is right to say that donald trump is equally to blame for this in the republican leadership that didn't take the opportunity to just put politics aside and fund the borders security. and yes, this is just we keep politicizing these the issues and i'm coming at it from a republican standpoint. it really isn't bearish thing to watch us just talk in spin as the world continues to go in a direction that isn't healthy for us. we certainly are going

to be sitting on the precipice of an economic downturn. we have global tensions, we have spending issues that are really jeopardizing the future of our economy. these are real issues that i think 70 plus percent of america wants somebody to show up to solve. but that's not going to happen in this election cycle. we're going to have joe biden or donald trump pick your poison. this country is not going to be better the day after the election if either one of these guys wins well, it seems like that's going to be the choice. we'll see what happens. geoff duncan van jones. thank you both. >> thank you. >> meanwhile, the white house tonight, president biden met with a few muslim leaders during the holy month of ramadan, but a palestinian american doctor who was at that meeting and walked out how is here to explain why right after a quick break >> if you work in spaceflight, this is the worst possible thing that could ever happen >> my dad died doing what he loved, >> spatial columbia final flight premieres sunday at nine

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house is continuing to face anger and frustration in person of his handling of the israel-hamas war officials had planned. and if tar dinner the white house tonight, an event to break the daily fast with muslim americans during ramadan. but sources tell cnn that so many of them decline the invitation uncomfortable with the idea of having a celebrate tori meal as people in gaza are starving. that means the white house scales at back to just be a policy meeting. but even that did not go as planned. the white house, one palestinian american who is an emergency medicine physician and volunteered in gaza earlier this year, walked out of that meeting that dr. doctor, a euro mod joins me now. and dr. motet, it's great to have you here. can you just start by telling me what happened when you went to the white house today. what was said inside that room? >> well, yeah, i thank you for having me. i think we had shown up to this meeting really concerned about what was taking place in the gaza strip. and i'm glad that you mentioned that we were insisting that there not be any food they're made no sense for us to sort of

break bread while talking about a famine taking place we had shown up in the president and the vice president the national security advisor in the room. and there was very brief comments by the president saying he wants to hear from us and he wants to listen to us. and so i spoke first and i let him know that i am from a community that's reeling. we are grieving. we are heart is broken for what's been taking place over the last six months the rhetoric that has been coming out of the biden administration that's been coming out of the white house. it's frustrated a lot of people, especially people who are palestinian americans, muslim americans out of americans. we are not satisfied with what has taken place. there has been no concrete steps but keep in mind, we're very concerned about the people that are over in the gaza strip that are in palestine right now, who are not just starving, but are facing the threat of a looming rafah invasion. and so i was able to share that with the president and let him know that out of respect for my community, out of respect for all of the people who have

suffered and what have been killed in the process. i need to walk out of the meeting and i want to walk out with decision-makers and let them know what it feels like for somebody to say something and then walk away from them and not hear them out and not hear their response wow, i mean, what did, how did president biden respond to that? >> you know, there wasn't a lot of response. he actually said that he understood and i walked away and i think for me, just like many of the other palestinian americans and palestinians, or let as i mentioned, many of the people who are interested in what's going on. we're panicking i mean, we're talking about 1.7 million people are in rafah right now. and we heard that there was a un security resolution that had passed and the us abstained and we were thrilled about this, but only moments later to have that sort of joy ripped from us when our own white house is saying, oh, it's a non-binding resolution. they're undermining the very un council resolution solution that's calling for a ceasefire okay. well then let's take about what happens next. oh, then we hear that there's an arms transfer that's going to take place and we know that

included in these arms transfers, are these 2000 pound bounds that are leveling neighborhoods. i was in gaza in january. i saw the devastation of khan yunis. i saw del bella i mean, these bombs are wreaking havoc and people are fleeing to the south that offer the southern edge of gaza bordering up against egypt. and we're transferring more bombs, more bullets, more fighter jets. >> what's >> going to happen to those people in rafah? i'm telling you that every single humanitarian aid organization, every single person invested in what's taking place and watching we are trying to scream at the top of our lungs, please. we cannot allow a ground invasion to take place. we need food to be able to enter an id to be distributed safely, and i'm glad you mentioned the tragic loss of the world central kitchen workers who were a part of an approved route. i mean, these are people who are coordinating just trying to deliver food to hungry people and their assassinated in the process. and so there's so much wrong in gaza. >> it sounds like you don't think that the white house is hearing were you only

palestinian in that room tonight? >> yeah. i wasn't the only palestinian american in that room. i think that there were plenty of people who probably declined by knowing that there are many people who i had mentioned who should be present there, who i for whatever reason, weren't given the invite. and you know, it's important to mention and i'm a humanitarian physician. i i go to the gaza strip. i am a palestinian american, but i'm not an organizer i'm not a leader of any local community here. i'm not a part of any organization that i'm the president of and so even me being selected to be invited to here to displace it's not really representative of the diverse community that makes up the palestinian diaspora. it's not representative above them. >> you just mentioned the arms sale. we are reporting is that they're close to the sale of as many as 50 american-made f15 fighter jets. >> you >> in gaza in january. you want to go back? i know. >> i mean, what are your thoughts on? what biden is saying tonight about this strike and about how israel handled it. and the idea that

there are also on the verge of approving that. >> yeah. i mean, it's devastating and i'm so frustrated and angry to hear something like that, to hear about a fighter jet sale, you know, when we were in khan yunis and nasr hospital, the second largest hospital, we would hear these fighter jets flowing around and every time they're ready to release missile or strike somewhere, you can hear the whistling from that bomb. it's terrifying. and when it hits, it shakes every building around it. i remember thinking that the hospital is going to come crashing down or shrapnel was going to fly through the window and kill us. i mean, it's totally unacceptable to be thinking that we're going to continue to arm this we're and it's playing out the way that it's playing out with so many people suffering and so many people hurting. and so it has to stop. it cannot just be rhetoric, it can't just be the president saying he's very sarin and demanding answers. i mean, it's been six months of incident after incident, aid organization being hit, people who are fleeing places, being killed a palestinian into are trying who are very hungry, trying to access flower convoys, ending up in body bags

i mean, it's incident after incident and it's time that we take a firm stance and we say there can be no invasion and rafah, that aid needs to enter from all land crossings and that organizations that are underground need to have some safety and security and hospitals can not be targeted i mean, 400 health care workers have been killed this far and many of them have been also arrested. gaza's becoming unlivable. i mean, there is nothing left there there's no schools, there's no hospitals, and people are living intense in a very cramped area. i hope i hope that i'm communicating the urgency in my tone because it's something that everybody but he is concerned about across the board. it just seems that the white house has not decided to take that leap. and really put their, put their foot down. >> and i know you gave him a letter from an orphaned eight year-old little girl living in a tent asking him to end this war, doctor ahmad thank you for joining and sharing that critical perspective with us tonight >> thank you for having up next donald trump has promised to free january 6 hostages, but a

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call them the hostages >> make no mistake about it. trump calling those who were incarcerated for crimes on january 6. hostages is a ridiculous comparison, especially as there are actual hostages being held in gaza right now. but take this report that was released today by just security, taking it inside, look at the 29 inmates currently being held in washington just security reports that 27 of them assaulted law enforcement officers on that date. >> eight of >> them have been charged and are awaiting trial and other ten have already been convicted, and nine more have pleaded guilty. >> what you're about >> to see is the graphic video from that day of those as he calls them hostages in the act. one of them is jeffrey sable. that's the man that you see in the orange jacket and the green backpack there is feeding a police officer who is lying face down on the ground here's vitaly goss, cajal ski, blue, convicted in march of last

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their own on those these agreement of the outcome of the elections on his behalf and he attacked them they attack us on that day and we defend a different nancy pelosi and kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell, just the same i didn't take particular size on that day on who was i protecting i did what i was supposed to. i did my job and for him to say that he's going to offer an dangle pardons are owned convicted felons. they not midterms, they're convicted felons. that's why they are and they attack us. the police officer. >> and >> it's very incredible that he so chooses went to support the police and pandor for the votes because he never reach out to us capitol police

officers are metropolitan police officer. those of us who defended the capitol on jeremie six to this day, the only rh that he had done to us is colors posses after the january while we were testifying for the january 6 committee. that's the only are reach that he has including to the sigma family who voted for him he had never reach out to them, to them. today's de three years later. >> well, i think you made a good point because he always talks about his support for law enforcement, his love for them. i mean, he attended the wake of a slain new york city police officer just here last week, today, he was flanked by law enforcement in michigan. >> i mean, >> how do you square? him doing that with also saying these people are hostages, they should be pardoned. they were unfairly treated. their political prisoners >> me, >> he he does take those unfortunate event and violent

and then use it for his benefits today, i just read that. the family of the person rudy ruby garcia, they never spoke to him, but yeah, he's claiming that he met with them. yeah. >> killed in michigan. >> the correct. >> and he never spoke to us, but he claims that he support the police is poor law enforcement officer. he is a proline order >> now, president, back the blue but guess what his people, the people who he sent on january 6 to the capital word, the one attacking the police officer. and we've simply we're doing our job to protect the members of congress mike johnson today said he wants to protect those people that happened to be walking through the capital. well, how did they get in that for you if given that language from mike johnson and others in what would it mean for you if donald trump? did part in these people >> total be trejo is very

unfortunate that they think that they could use our sacrifices and then throw it away we put our lives on the line to protect them, to do their job and the least that they could do is do the job and hope people accountable. these people who they call hostages political prisoner, patriots. they assault to police officers. there attack our democracy, they attack our constitution >> and the only person that is calling for political violence is not joe biden. it's somebody else and is the leading candidate for the republican party. and if those people were the attack me, were those things faster you is political prisoner and whatnot? the who did they consider us the police officer who defended the capitol on jeremie six, you are we to them? that means that we are the hostage taker in the security roles, the sequesters.

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speak out and say things in reference to things that conceivably we are going to impact on the process because if we don't have a viable court system that's able to function efficiently, then we have tyranny >> now, it is rare to hear from a sitting federal judge, like that. the last week, judge reggie walton, who saw their are not attacking trump, are weighing in on the merits of his cases made clear that extraordinary times require an extraordinary response, and that's what you got there. nothing he said was particularly controversial, but you wouldn't necessarily know that if you are reading a new complaint that was filed against judge walton by trump ly mike davis, who i should note has also been floated as a role if trump is relected, i want tbring in cnn's legal anyst and former federal prosecutor, leo williams, who has appeared before judge walton, who knows the judges style well. >> one i want to hear about that because i've got a lot of feedback from prosecutors who said i wouldn't front of that

guy. >> but on this >> complaint, you know, the judicial code of conduct does this complaint have any merit? know your view? no. what did what did judge walton say there that was impermissible that we can't have threats against federal judges, or that the rule of law needs to endure in order to have a functioning democracy. those are literally uncontroversial statements. now, if he had attack the former president or identify cases by name, of course, there'd be a problem there, but he was just stating in effect platitudes about how good it is to have a functioning government. yeah. and i mean, it is rare to see a judge come out. but he didn't name trump, he didn't even say trump's name as he was talking about the threats that are real his concern was saying the judiciary camp function, if we're worried about 30 of physical violence, right? >> absolutely. now this is sort of why judges don't speak out very often. kate, one because of the fact that when they do, their words are picked apart and someone who might be a litigant, in another case, can sort of think, well, they're speaking about me, but again, he did not identify the former

president by name. he did not speak in any specifics about any case and just really said, when people threaten each other the justice system can buckle under under at all. so it's a little bit of an audition real for attorney general. let's be blunt, and i think that's what mr. davis is doing here, but i just don't see much there there. do you think >> this complaint goes >> anywhere that i don't think it goes anywhere because it has so it has to go to the chief judge in the district right there. and what's he going to do? have a disciplinary hearing for one of his subordinates who did not actually violate the code of ethics. it's just hard to see more to the point the complaint names more people than the judge. the complaint goes off on democrat campaign aides and joe biden and the biden and obama justice department's everybody, it's almost like a litany of attacks on the deepstate more than it as about this one, judge who was appointed to the bench by republicans? >> yeah, by bushes and

reagan's republicans. i was thinking, he judge walton has said a lot as he's been sentencing january 6, criminal defendants, he called trump a charlatan and one of them, he said he was worried that trump wouldn't go easy if he lost. and another election those are things that he's made wall sentencing people, but i haven't seen a complaint about until he decided to come on here on the source and talk about the threats to other members of the judiciary. john drawings want adventure >> 30 years and has been making up real quick he goes off on people when sentencing them to a point that you're afraid to appear in front of them and the idea that all of a sudden he's he appears on kaitlan collins is program and he's a threat to democracy in some way is nonsense. and so it's just, again, it's political silly season right now and i just don't see much merit to it. >> yeah. but it speaks to the bogus l8 williams always great to have you do the little reality check for us. thank you all so much for joining us. cnn news night with abby phillip starts right now