so, so far today. and i do believe now that we're getting dark this is the problem we're going to have that people may not be able to get the warnings because they're sleeping. if you're going to bed now in the ohio valley, make sure you have warnings turned on on your phone, either unknown whether radio turned on or some other way to get a warning. if a tornado is heading to you, the likelihood is going down now this getting dark, but it's not over. >> we >> still have the potential for severe weather overnight tonight. >> anderson >> and there's going to be possible rain and snow. i know there's already been written up on the northeast. there may be snow as well, right? >> that's right. i mean, there is a blizzard warning right now for the up of michigan, that upper part of michigan with snow and wind, wind could be 50 to 60 miles per hour. >> this is what we >> get this time of year, spring say, hey, i'm here winter saying, hey, not so fast. and that's this clash of air masses that brings all of

this together. >> chad myers, thanks so much. the news continues right here on cnn >> outfront next, america's demise, trump predicting the end of the united states, as we know it, if he loses in november, when do we heard that sort of talk? from trump before? >> well, it comes is rfk junior tells me that biden is bigger threat to democracy than trump plus global outrage after an israeli strike killed seven aid workers, deliver the ring food on behalf of the chef jose andres's organization >> how could >> this have happened? >> i'm going ask the spokeswoman for the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and did trump already? violate his gag order by re-posting an insult about a new york judge's daughter are legal analyst ryan goodman says yes, and he will tell you why. so let's go out front good evening i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. the last election we ever have in america, trump's words tonight, as he campaigns in michigan and wisconsin, he's predicting the end of the united states, as we know it, if he does not win the election

if we don't win or november 5th, i think our country is going to cease to exist. it could be the last election we ever have. i actually mean that the last election we ever have >> well, >> he then set it again to be sure he meant it >> we don't win. i think this could be the last election we ever have. that's where our country's going i mean, this is it best of course, a dark apocalyptic view of america, of view of a rotted nation >> but in the context of trump's recent history, it also does very clearly ways the threat of violence, because we have heard this from trump before, obviously in those final months before the 2020 election we don't win this election. every one of you be all of us. it'll never be the country. i don't think the country can ever come back to it and we don't win our country will have trouble. you're not going to have a country not as we know it >> all of those times. and then

of course, on january 6, 2021, this we can't let this stuff happen. we won't have a country of it happens >> and of course, on your screen is what followed after those words, trump's supporters, taking that doom and fear apocalyptic vision literally so i'm in the capital claiming that they were taking their country back and saving it from doing, which is why something that presidential candidate robert f kennedy said to me last night is causing many >> people to stop in their tracks i met, listen, i can make the argument apprentice and biden as much worse threat to democracy. and the reason for that is president biden is the first candidate in history, the first president in history? that it has used the federal agencies to censor political speech. so to censor his opponent tried to overturn a free and fair election he tried to overturn one, right? he's, he's still finding how is that

not a threat to democracy? >> well, i think that is a threat to democracy. if him overthrowing, trying to overthrow the election clearly is threat to democracy, but the question was who is it worse threat to democracy. and what i would say is i am not going to answer that question, but i can argue that president biden is because the first amendment, erin, is the most important. adams and hamilton and madison said we put a guarantee of freedom expression in the first amendment because all their other constituted depend on it. if you ever government can silence its opponent. it has license for any atrocity >> so just to be clear, you're saying you could make an argument that president biden is a worse threat to democracy than absolute fluidly well, a couple of things to note here. kennedy, in what he was saying there was referring to a lawsuit against the biden administration over the administration's request that social media accounts be restricted because of misinformation can lead tweeted, among other things, a false claim that baseball legend hank aaron died from

complications from the covid vaccine but in the context of all of this, it is very important to recognize that kennedy is polling. he has been polling in the double digits consistently. he is trying and says that he will be successful in getting on the ballot in every state and the district of columbia. >> so his words >> matter and democrats and republicans are worried is making inroads with voters. trump tonight holding holding rally in the crucial battleground, state of wisconsin, which he wanted 2016, but narrowly lost in 2020. >> it is a >> state where jill stein one could very well make a case is who determined who won that election. and we're rfk junior could determine who wins the election. kristen holmes is that but trump rally in green bay, kristen trump's team knows that every single vote in a state like wisconsin, is crucial. so what are you learning about the strategy there? >> this is an absolutely critical battleground state one senior adviser actually calling it a must be donald trump to go back to the white house and 20

you mentioned rfk. i will tell you. >> i met a voter yesterday in green vague to me, they were coming to this rally tonight that they were supporting president donald trump for president donald but that they had been very interested in, rfk. well donald biden. they, as you said, where that every single votes account they don't want to lose any single votes to rfk. now what they're doing voters here in wisconsin, particularly, it's trying to paint the status quo under president biden as so terrible they want to energize voters to show about the polls in november. they are very aware that in 2016, energized based donald trump, but in 2020, there were a number of people, republicans who sat out of the race most of the fact that they were really saw austin from four years of donald trump. they want to bring people back into the fold and make sure they're brought back to the polls in november. they're doing that with them message,

particularly on immigration, donald trump has been ramping up his anti-immigration rhetoric and that's really what you saw today, both in michigan and wisconsin talking about how migrants are animals leaking them to violent crime. and aaron as we have reported over and over again, the data shows that immigrants and migrants are far less likely to commit crime i'm the citizens, however, there have been a number of high-profile recent cases that donald trump has really latched onto. see the sec key talking point for him and it comes at a time where most americans, according to polling, are most concerned about immigration in the 2024 november election. so he has really hoping that propels it back to the white house in 2020 board. the other part of his messaging in medical, michigan, and wisconsin is trying to reach those working class voters. some of those voters that broke for him in 2016 but did not break for him in 2020. he's talking about entitlement plans. he is telling everyone there are going to be tax breaks for everybody in the crowd. he's talking about but

unions and working class voters and how he is going to support them again, all of this messaging is driving it towards november 2024 because as you know, they know every single vote counts >> all right. kristen, thank you very much at that rally in green bay, i want to go now to emmy award winning tv host mike rowe, famously known for the hit show dirty jobs. >> he >> was also approached by rfk junior about the vp slot on his ticket. mike good to see you again. so you hear trump in michigan he says, and i quote him. if we don't win on november 5th, i think our country is going to cease to exist. >> now, >> mike u-bend all 50 states about twice in the past year. so you've spoken to many of the people that this message is aimed at do you think they believe it >> you know, last time we talked there and i i think i said twice, i i'm so worried about painting with too broad a brush and what i see happening everywhere. i look and from a

lot of the people i've talked to, i think they feel the same way. i don't want to put words their mouth. people are certainly scared. >> the >> question is, what are they most scared of i mean, a couple of years ago, people sounded pretty certain when they said the world was coming to an end in ten or 12 years, a lot of people still believe that. yeah, i think a lot of people do believe this election is going to be hugely consequential, isn't rem, is at the end of the world as we know it, i doubt it. >> i mean, as >> long as i've been walking around and as long as bipeds have been on the planet, there have been all sorts of prognostications of all sorts of terrible calamities bad things happen. i don't have a crystal ball, but i do sense it i do sense a lot of people are feeling like something something else needs to be on the menu. at least for now. >> all right, so to that point,

mike, you know, you were on the shortlist for rfk juniors vp slot. you met with him. i know you told me, you know, your words, it became apparent you to didn't agree on everything but then in the content of the conversation i had with him last night when he was making the point that he could argue that biden is bigger threat to democracy than trump. when you hear that, does that give you pause? do you believe that? >> i don't know. it doesn't give me >> real pause. these guys are all trying to get elected and they're going to ratchet the stakes up and whatever way makes most sense their base. in my opinion, the thing that rfk said that stuck with me was really the debt. i don't here either. the current candidates talking persuasively about the practical reality of what happens when we get to $50 were 45 trillion. and i'll know exactly where the math becomes truly unsustainable. but if i were making a list of the stuff that scares me the most, that would be very, very cool. >> any other country in the

history of the planet where we are now would be unsustainable. i mean, we are the reserve currency, so we have a little bit of pad, but to your point, the question is how i mean, i don't know >> there's something else, but he said last night it separate from the debt point, which i hear you on, but he said something related to that and to people's dissatisfaction that i know, you speaks to you in many ways. let me just play that the american dream when i was again said, if you weren't hardy, people have either, you could buy a house, you could finance it you could take a summer vacation, you could raise a family, you could put something aside for retirement, on one job my kit, i have seven kids, aaron and not believe that that promise appeal. it applies to them >> so i know this speaks to you and what you experience. do you get the sense that his support because of what things that he is saying there >> mike, for example, is building at this point yeah.

>> i do look i didn't know if my first meeting was him was going to be five minutes are 15 minutes. it was three hours. and the reason was that was the very first thing we talked about and there's a survey in the journal worth looking at kimono six or seven months ago. it was a pretty extensive survey and the topshot was 64% of americans today believe the american dream as they define it, as either dead or no longer applicable to them. that is bad. and both of us agreed that as that number ticks up, see there's no real difference between the reality of a dead dream and the perception of the reality of it. that dream. >> when >> hope and optimism start leaking out, people are going to get, things you're going to get very wobbly everywhere. and i do believe that's happened. there's a sense that something fundamental, almost primal, has shifted, and it does go into the way we define that dream. yeah. >> so trump and michigan and wisconsin today, he's there

because they're swing states which have faced economic turmoil, right? again this is dissatisfaction at the heart of all of this. >> you've said, mike that in the >> next few years, college in america could have a major problem because people simply just are really opting out. it's not just to talk, it's not just a thing people say, but it's a thing people are doing what are you actually seeing and how does it impact the selection >> well, what i saw two days ago was an article in the wall street journal that almost made me want to take a victory lap. i mean wow, i've been at this years and i'm not anti college as you know, but i am anti-death and i am very much opposed to the idea that promoting one form of education at the expense of all the others has led to a great many unintended consequences. so this article actually showed up with the receipts more and more gen z are going to trade school. fewer and fewer are buying the idea that the version of the american dream that they they're being sold

requires them to purchase a $200,000 receipt that they can hang on the wall the pushback is real and look, this is personal for me. i've been added 16 years and it's like watching a tanker turn around. but it's turning aaron and you can see it in virtually every metric. and the fact that gen z is being labeled as the tool belt generation is surprising, but not shocking because the evidence demands a verdict and they're not buying it anymore. >> all right. well, mike rowe, thank you very much. of course. i know in your foundation, you are about to donate $1 million in scholarships and all related to these, these trades here over the next month. and thank you very much for your time out front now, democratic strategists, basil michael and harry enten with us to go beyond the numbers okay. in the context of where trump is today, this whole contact about democracy and doom and gloom and enter the country as we know it. it's being said because it's resonating with a lot of people. yeah. okay. that that is a reality and mike is

pointing at perhaps some of the reasons for this, that in some states colleges prohibitively expensive. yes people are now not just talking about it, they are opting out. what are you finding yeah. i read that same article that mike red and then i had a conversation with your executive producer about it. people who use their hands, those who go to vocational school, right? those are folks who used to be in the center of the electorate. they used to be swing voters. you go back to 1,990 to bill clinton one that group by about seven percentage points who won nationwide by about six, right? look at where that group has shifted to. now, look at the new york times sienna college, paul aggregate all those plus donald trump is winning that group, those vocational and trade school grads by 42 points over joe biden. >> this >> is his base that people who work with their hands hands are donald trump's space. this used to be a group that democrats tried to compete over. and now more people are going to vocational schools. they're becoming a larger part of the electorate and they are heavily, heavily, heavily favors down trunk becoming a larger part of the electorate

and heavily favoring donald trump's certainly, by any measure, but specifically historically that's bad for democrats. well, i'm a college professor, so i take all of this does resonate with me quite a bit as well. this isn't as you talk about bill clinton, there was a time around his presidency where we started to push everybody to college because we thought about this as being the knowledge economy so it was important to push people to college, but to mike's point and he's right, you have a generation or more of individuals with increasing college debt, with burdensome college debt that can't really speak to their economic aspirations because there are so mired in that. so yeah, we're seeing a lot more people choose vocations, but i actually think that this is an opportunity for the biden administration. he's been according organized labor. he has some support already. this is an opportunity for him to work with organized labor to say, look, let's talk about the management of organized labor >> get out with the >> actual organelles.

>> sure. i mean, obviously the rank and file is going to be really important. but even with the leadership, because this, it's, the leadership that we'll talk about and be able to expand on those apprenticeship programs that can bring on a lot of those voters we there, there, there, there's, this great statistic then, and it's a tough one that the starter home which used to be really affordable for most americans, is practically gone. only 10% of the homes that are available now. oh, but we use the consider star carter homes. so what organized labor has historically done is move people into the middle-class, including providing opportunities for housing. that is where i think that partnership with organized labor is really beneficial for the biden administration. >> if you had just in a simple way, contrast, right now, trump in rfk and there's lots of differences in overlap so i'm not trying to do a full analysis here. i'm just saying trump talks about the end of america, the last election will ever have rfk is identifying the same negative things, but trying to be idealistic about solutions, okay, so there's that i suppose the, into the emotional difference between

the two is the interest in rfk growing, are people responding to that? >> certainly since your interview last night, i went to google searches, it's one of those things where you can really see something spike and what you see is since your interview outfront outfront last night google searches for rfk or up 149%. and this is something that we've been seeing over the last week as well, right? what we've seen rk searches over the last week significantly higher than they've been basically at any point during the rest of the campaign. and more than that, what's interesting is where those searchers are so high, right? they tend to be high in the great lakes battleground states. look at wisconsin on some, michigan, wisconsin, michigan, wisconsin second-most nationwide, michigan, 11th most nationwide, pennsylvania 14th mode nationwide. so the fact is donald trump is in wisconsin night. he doesn't just have to worry about joe biniaz to worry about rfk junior. >> well, and those were the states, of course, which were the deciders last time around. all right. thank you both very much. thank you. >> next israel struggling to contain the fallout tonight, one of its strikes killing

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australian aid worker. one of the seven world central kitchen employees killed by an israeli airstrike as they delivered to a warehouse in central gaza us, canada citizen, uk nationals, a polish man, and a palestinian. also amongst those killed the hang of war drones, drowning out the sound of an ambulance sirens as their bodies were >> brought to a hospital after the strike the to nate trying to bring relief to the more than 1 million gazans, the un says are now facing famine. >> ball. >> now in body bags the logo with the aid organization, a reminder of the lengths the charity went to to protect its own >> traveling as they were according to world central kitchen, through a deconflicted

zone, whilst coordinating their movements with the idf the charity which was central and getting around the blockade by getting the first maritime shipment of aid into gaza. now saying that it needs to assess its future in the strip israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu acknowledged the tragic loss of what he described as innocent lives. >> let's have no by my mom when i am good doggie unfortunately, in the last day, there was a tragic case of our forces unintentionally hitting innocent people in the gaza strip it happens in war. we will investigate it right to the end so far, at least 196 aid workers have lost their lives in the occupied territories >> since the start the war, according to the un agency, tasked with relief, there the world central kitchen workers, just the latest among them, the

palestinian driver and translator safety, some able to haul his loved ones, forced to say goodbye to a man who died trying to help others to survive now the idf have just released a video, aaron showing that the chief of the general staff left tenant herzi halevi, apologizing in english for the mistake explaining that a preliminary investigation that they've been able to carry out shows that this was a case of miss identification. the idf had never intended. he said any harm to be done to the world central kitchen workers also announcing that a new command center has been setup by the idf to coordinate its work with the aid organizations in order to make sure this kind of thing never happen again, aaron moos. >> thank you very much. and i want to go now to tau heinrich. she's a spokesperson for the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and you are

obviously here in new york. i know for a bit tau, what is the very latest are able to tell us about? papa strike. >> so this is what the idf chief of staff just came out and said in his nighttime statements that it wasn't it was obviously a very tragic mistake. there was no intention here of harming the aid workers. that was a mistake that followed a misidentificati on during nights, very complex it's conditions of a battle zone, tragedies do happen during war, but we should make sure that something of this kind will never happen again during this war. this is why the defense minister or the prime minister, as you just heard, they ordered to carry out an investigation. it will be a transparent one. we will share the findings of which i believe it will take a few days or maybe a bit more. and we will share the findings of which with the public and with the aid organizations. these are the good guys, aaron. this is one of the aid group that was out there, right after the october is october 7 massacre

on the ground helping israeli and palestinian civilians we tender condolences to their families. the countries from which they came. >> premise or benjamin netanyahu has apologized to, of course, he called the strike a tragic case of our forces unintentionally hitting innocent people but as everyone tries to understand this, even in the context of the ongoing investigation, the world central kitchen team was coordinating its movements with the idf so that they would know where are they were. >> the idf obviously >> conducts precision, precision targeting. they put out a statement, world central kitchen. they said they were traveling in a deconflicted zone in two armored cars. and the world central kitchen logo is clearly visible >> in >> this context of all of this. and as i mentioned, the precision with which israel well is capable and names it's missiles, longtime israeli reporter barak ravid said this today. here is >> i think i heard a lot of israeli officials today that we're highly frustrated by the fact that somebody in the idf,

most likely a very senior officer, at least a kernel, you need at least a kernel to approve such a strike so somebody did approve it on a quite high level in the idf. and those a lot of frustration that something happened when it's clearly, clearly against all the rules of engagement it's telling that context. i'm just going to hone in on the word unintentional in a precision missile environment which israel conducts, every strike is intentional. or, you know, you're aiming for something. so there was a precise aim. it would appear by any measure of rules of engagement for that particular convoy at that particular hi, right? >> i don't want to jump into conclusions, especially sit here in new york as war is raging in my part of the world back in israel and jump into conclusions because i think we have, i don't have the exact details of what transpired there and we will have to wait for the finding of the investigation. but what i can say and i think it's really important here is that when we

make mistakes, when israel makes mistakes, even the most tragic wants to admit. and i was here on this program before we discuss the different tragic that took place during the past six months in which our hostages were mistakenly shot at three of our hostages. we take responded instability. we admit to the most painful incidents. so we tell the truth, even when it's the most inconvenient thing to stay >> so let me ask you about something that is a painful truth, and that is the fact that tens of thousands of gazans have been killed since this began. and many of them are innocent people. and we can talk about what the numbers are, but that is a reality on the ground just the past few days to how we have all been confronted with these images from al shifa, the hospital and after the 14 day siege that the idf was conducting, and they say that obviously there were hamas operatives there, and that that's what they were targeting the hospital's been obliterated, their bodies everywhere. obviously, it's no longer functional you say this

is necessary to eradicate hamas. >> but i do >> wonder when you talk about inconvenient truths, how does israel justify killing so many innocent people? >> in this first eye, i'm glad that you said that we need to discuss these numbers because we because we have to take her muscles numbers with a huge spoon of salt, not a grain of salt because what i can tell you the facts and the truth according to our assessment and the facts that we have in that is that we we eliminated more than 13,000 hamas or palestinian islamic jihad terrorists. we took out 19 of the hamas battalions out there. one of the reasons why we have to operate in rafah off for instance, the southern city in gaza is because we need to take out the four remaining battalions were talking but 7,000, 8,000 terrorists there so the reason why we have to eradicate hamas and you also brought us, brought up this point is because you and i

don't want to sit here in six months a year, two years, and have this conversation again, tell are we going to be sitting here because a lot of the people there that are losing people in their lives are children and if they survive, they're going to grow up. and what are they going to think about israel? what do they gonna do? i mean, how can you all actually say you're eradicating terrorism in eradicating hamas in the context of what's actually happening in gaza >> well, we'll have to look at historical example germany after for world war ii, d radicalized and you don't see nazism. you have it as an ideology, but not with, with the grip of a country. this is exactly what we wants to do with hamas. yes, there will be radicals out there and you can root out their ideology. to the extent that we wish. but israel will have to maintain some overriding security responsibility in gaza to operate against attempts at resurgence of terrorism after

and the day after hamas, i mean, and also work on deradicalization of the palestinian society exactly for the reason that you and i don't i want to sit here again and we want to see a better future for israelis and palestinians alike. >> all right, well, thank you very much. i appreciate it. i appreciate the conversation, of course, on a very somber de thank you. >> we told you about zomi frankcom. she was a senior manager at world central kitchen outfront, spoke to one of her good friends, josh phelps today and he had worked with her for years. their last conversation was two days ago. the day before she was killed. it said zomi was fearless and relentless and the getting aid into gaza and succeeding were many governments have failed was her mission valmy was a very ambitious, sometimes stubborn, >> individual who knew what she wanted in life, and that was to build friendships all over the world. she deserved to be able to do more of that. and so unfortunate that she can't that's regrettable. that it's

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stake here. the clip also included these comments from fox news is brian kill me the fact is the judge's daughter, what is a activist who worked for kamala harris. and there were some dispute on whether she did have a picture up on a website with jugs? donald trump behind bars that to me is something that if i'm donald trump, i'm cool concerned about that the judge has a daughter who feels this way >> all right. so it's important just to have one factual clarification here. the judge's daughter posting a photo of trump behind bars that has been debunked, did not happen, right? ryan goodman or outfront legal analyst is with me, so ryan so trump gets the gag order prohibited from attacking family members or judge merchant and then retweets this this particular clip. does this violate the gag order or is trump safe because it's not him saying it. it's someone else. >> i think it violates the bag so if the very words out of

brian kill me, its mouth came out of trump's mouth or out of his keyboard if he typed those words, they would be in violation of the gag order. that is the smear that's being repeated against the judge's daughter. the fact that trump is instead posting a video of somebody else saying it runs afoul of the gag order. that is him still making a statement. and i think that the judge will have to carefully look at this because if he gives it a pass, then he's really is getting a pass through a violation. but then what >> happens if he says it's a violation? >> i think that it's gonna be a quick ratcheting up the judge has already signaled that he hasn't intolerance for violations of his orders. and i think first step might be something that's financial. second step might be financial and i think 30 is actually potentially lowering the boom, which is he will treat trump as you would treat any defendant and that would mean jail time if he violates a gag order multiple and so we're walking up to that line it really looks like it. wow. >> so in manhattan, district attorney alvin bragg is also fighting back, so he's rejecting a bid by trump to have judge merchant recuse

himself citing his daughter's political work of working for kamala harris >> now know it's always say did kellyanne conway famously would say stop, end george conway, right? stop judging me for my spouse, right? so people have the ability to have family members have different political views and do different things in that context, does merchant need to recuse are not? >> he does not in fact, this has come up before and the litigation with merchant himself and about his daughter, trump had raised this before is an idea of recusal and then in august of 2023, judge merchant actually issued an opinion in which he says, i sought the advice of the new york state's committee on judicial ethics and they told me specifically and then the query has as he says quote, we see nothing in the inquiry to suggest the outcome of the case could have any effect on the judge's relative. the relatives business, or any of their interests, and quote nothing has changed. these are the same kinds of allegations and nothing about his daughter's business is directly tied to

the case. it would have to be that she is like one of the parties, one of the witnesses are rather council lizzo client of hers. none of that assists. >> all right. so i want to ask you about a brand new analysis >> your team is published. i'm just security about the people currently in dc jail related to january 6 charges. okay. so you say they're 29 january 6, inmates currently being held, their 29 being held 27 of them have been charged with the law enforcement officers in the capital. so that's 90% have had that charge. trump though, is promoting a vigil for them he has repeatedly said that he will free them or pardon them. and he has referred to them as hostages. >> you have the hostages, the j6 hostage, as i call them, these were great patriot and they were unbelievable patriots >> so 90% of them have been charged with assaulting law enforcement officers hostages, and patriots. that was how he refers to that.

>> yeah. so the study is basically to finally pen down who exactly the people are. so if he wants to hold a vigil for the january 6 inmates in the dc jail >> yeah. and then he calls them political prisoners. and when he goes out onto the campaign stump, he plays the anthem by the january 6 quiet the acquirer's the january 6 inmates in dc. so who are they? so then when decided to investigate that and the day after he announced the vigil, we have the exact list from the dc corrections facility and it shows 93% of them are charged with assaulting law enforcement officers on january 6, and it's agreed actions and the majority of them already been convicted or pleaded guilty to it. so these are the kind of the worst of the worst >> all right. and as you say, it, convicted or pleaded guilty, right. so they are have done that. >> all right. thank you. ryan >> and now >> incredible new video tonight of ukrainian strike. this, strike is deepens inside russia hundreds of miles past the ukraine border. and it actually targets one of putin's biggest oil refineries. as ukrainian president is facing a crisis,

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drones in the region was also targeted this is significant for a lot of reasons, not just the target itself, but also the distance that i mentioned. it is the farthest inside russia that ukraine has attacked that we know up since the war began. as i mentioned, it is more than 700 miles from the border. outfront. now, jon sarlin, he has a former us ambassador to russia and ambassador it's always great to have you with us and i'm so glad that we're together tonight, so i mean, 700 miles deep inside russia, the farthest they've gone, a major refinery it does come in the context of ukraine lowering the draft age, which has been hugely controversial and a big issue. they've had to do that because they need fighters, they're running out of ammunition, they're running out of weapons, right? so they're in dire straits. sure. >> nonetheless, this is a very >> significant accomplishment for them what do you read into this? there >> they were able to successfully do something like this. >> well, well, you're right there and it's a very significant development, but it's an example of how the ukrainians have been able to off the battlefield off the battlefield on the ground in

ukraine, whether it's the russian black sea fleet, which has been driven away from ukrainian territory. or strikes inside russia, including drones over the kremlin and hitting the center of moscow ukraine through ingenuity and resistance to the russians have been able to inflict blows on the russians, but their stalled on the battlefield. and that's a problem. and >> they are, and of course, the draft age now down to 27 to 25 and 27. i know they want to bring it down even further, but even that has been hugely difficult for them to do. and perhaps the reason we've seen so much turmoil in the upper ranks there so in this context of weapon deliveries and ukraine, we already are seeing so many difficulties from that, from the united states. we're learning that the united states and allies are considering putting control of weapon deliveries to ukraine, right? under nato, right underneath you control and that there were specifically considering doing that because they think if done donald trump wins. and if donald trump wins, they don't want him to be able to stop those weapons delivery, so

they're putting the ones under the procedural control of nato itself. what does that say to you? >> well, a couple of things. aaron, first of all, at the start of the war nato, the united states or nato ellis resisted having this type of involvement by nato as an order nato members, individual countries coordinated by the united states with the polls the germans, et cetera. at the year basin rammstein, we didn't want us to be a nato versus russia conflict what that suggests to me now, if, if that's under consideration is for the reason you've just said is trying to make this not the united states supporting ukraine or the united states and our individual nato allies, but nato itself, yeah, the concern was that it would provoke russia. it would be nato at war against russia russia but the risk that ukraine isn't going to be able to survive if it doesn't get the necessary weapons and may be necessary. >> so i want to ask you one other important question

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was elected to the city council in i need oklahoma 808 people voted. blevins one by 36 votes. blevins past had mostly flown under the radar until a small group of progressive activists in enid sounded the alarm about blevins joining the charlottesville march they're trying to get him voted off the council. >> it was very, very disturbing and frightening, and i thought, how is this still happening in this, in this year? >> kristi balden volunteers with the enid social justice committee, which organized a recall drive. today, voters will decide if blevins keeps his city council seat. >> we want to hit as many doors, as many addresses as we caefficiently playn litely, get everody out to >> the volune asking residents to vote for the other candidates on the ballot. finding not all voters are e turning against blevins, who was a marine veteran and is

fighting to keep his counsel seat he does have supporters and e1 and then that's the really frightening part. >> there's real tension around this case. >> yes, there really is >> i will stand before the voters board one, and i will defend the job. i've done here. >> 11s makes it hard to know where he stands at times apologetic and other times defiant he denies identifying as a white nationalist or white supremacist, but has also asked for forgiveness i am a different man today than i was yesterday there is no hate in my heart that hasn't convinced the city's conservative leadership. they tried to censor him last fall for his failure to apologize and explain his connections to white nationalism, saying his statements have caused disruption and discontent in the city. judd blevins declined to speak with cnn, but he's tried to distance himself from white nationalist organizations. >> and if i've offended anyone in here i ask to be forgiven.

>> that speech led to this extraordinary moment with the only black city council member, derwin norwood. >> and i want to do one thing before we quit hey stand up do you love me? >> yes, i do >> because a brother-in-law i love you too >> i'll forgive you. >> up, until that moment, i struggled with it but i forgave them in are that in forgiving him, i freed myself from, becoming what he was or still may be blevins has tried to disavow his controversial history, but he's also tried to justify his past actions raising questions about whether he's truly changed. >> but i'm not going to play this game where i take things that the media says are problems from america's past that are no longer problems today and pretend like they're serious issues. they're not. when you

>> heard that, what did you think? he doesn't understand what he's saying? >> our >> last council meeting i looked out, i'm just like i'm looking at you and i said, man, do you realize it was a that put his blood and reputation out there on the line for you, frankly, pushing back on this anti-white hatred that is so common in media and entertainment. >> if someone's like that in their private life do they have any business serving in a government position? >> absolutely not. absolutely not because we gave an oath, we raised our right hand and we swore to the people that we serve everyone equally and rightfully so polls here are closing in just about two minutes. and so we expect to add the election results later this evening ironically, there's actually a city council meeting going on in the building behind me a judd blevins is not here tonight. aron >> absolutely fascinating and