you've got a couple of other options. one option is to go in your kitchen and take out a colander are great and project dozens of tiny crescent shapes of the eclipse onto a light surface that's a great way to view the eclipse another great way is to stand under a tree. and if there's a general wind blowing on the leaves of a tree and that's assuming you're in a part of the country with a leafed out trees, then you'll see an amazing array of shimmering crescent shapes on the ground that's amazing i will say i did the pinpoint camera not as cool as the glasses, i suspect, but i do want to ask you just finally before i let you go >> does it get cooler during the total eclipse? is that real? >> that's a very good point. and if the day starts out sunny and warm don't forget your jacket because you'll be surprised how cool it gets

>> all right, good to know michael zoeller really appreciate it. thank you so much. >> thank you >> and thank you for joining us, king charles starts now >> thank you. okay. mr. barbie i say no lock-in >> see him in studio in new york city we're not. >> going to waste >> your time with gayle king on eons, but you can call me gail and charles barkley >> i probably should not denied basketball oh god. candace parker, pulitzer prize winner mega haberman sports media store. stephen smith the atlantic thompson and academy award winning producer. then lake charles starts now welcome

welcome >> on this wednesday, it is cold and rainy new york city, but it doesn't matter because all hard to warm idea hard so warm. we are very excited to be here tonight. we've got lots to talk to, including maggie haberman. you just saw that from the new york times, she's going to join us in just a few minutes to give us a window into what's happening right now. and former president donald trump's camp, there's always something so we hope you'll stick around for that. espn stephen a. smith, i just saw him in the hallway looking very lovely and a shade of salmon like that jacket. >> i thought it was pink >> it's really salman. >> there'll be >> here in just a few minutes do because it feels like we were talking about this all day today. we have to talk about the biggest story in the country right now, which is what charles barkley march. march madness. march madness. he has but the number ones for staying gone today is march madness. women? yes. yes, we are having a ball, but we're

having a moment and you know that beyond say song, who run them? well girls, it's a shining moment for women's basketball. i know, you know all about it. let's hear it for the ladies. caitlin clark, we're talking about you, angel reese. love you, talking about you. page becker's talking about you and juju watkins, who is just a freshman. this woman is amazing. women's college basketball stars are lighting it up in the world. i have to say, take a notice or than 12, just think about this number, charles, 12 million people turned in monday night's game i will lsu was actually 12.3 wherever you had account point throughout account on my tv, it was even more have a nielsen box >> that's more than any college basketball game and espn's history more viewers think about this for out of five games from last year's nba finals. more viewers then what do you think about that >> double one, i'm proud of the ladies disappointed in the nba,

but proud of these ladies. yes. >> more than nba >> so our next guest is somebody who was held the title of most famous women's basketball player on the planet. let's welcome college basketball player of the year three time listen her stats three-time wnba champion and basketball icon, candace parker. hey, candace parker. >> hello, how hi you all. thanks for having me. >> i know. what do you make it this candice's moment, everybody keeps saying the women are having a moment, but 12.3 million viewers just took my breath away and then, watching the game the other night really, i was in awe of what i saw on the court what was really cool was i was actually in florida visiting my family and i was walking past, you know, the >> bars and the restaurants and every game on was the iowa lsu game. and so i think it is more than a moment. i think it is momentum it's a bird's-eye view into what we've realized

for a long time that women's basketball is exciting. and i think it's ironic that now we're talking about star power in women college basketball when first so long it was described as a team sport where everybody has to touch so ball. now we're seeing these stars that are just so talented and so skilled and able to scoring so many different ways >> as one of the best to ever do it how, how exciting is it for you? the cds women around the world right now, because we mentioned all the ladies is not just caitlin yeah, it's not just angel is not just pages, not just juju this is a great time for college. and now these ladies are going to be joining you next year. >> well, listen. chuck, i think it's it's huge for women's basketball in general. and i just want to say like even those that came before me, you think about the cheryl miller's. think about the cheryl swoops. do you think about cynthia cooper's and the

tina thompson's and elisa leslie's. and it goes on and on and on that have laid the foundation for this. and this is kinda one of those things where i think the door just keeps getting wider and wider and more and more open and so i think now accompanies and tv and viewership is up because it was given a chance to succeed and the numbers don't lie. that's what we'd like to say. >> yeah. no kansas. do you think that the talent has been there all along? it's just that it's taken the country, the world to really focus on what is, what is possible in women's sports in the wnba >> i think i think the talent has been there. but like anything, it takes time to grow and it takes time for people to want to be a part of it and to see it i think it does take star power and we're seeing how the value of that in the caitlin clark's and the angel reese is we're also seeing the value of it being more than just sports like this started off as a rivalry. if you think

about it, and the national championship game last year with angel reese and caitlin clark and that's what sports is. and i love the fact that now we're embracing that in women's sports because so, for so long in sports, i'm supposed to not like chuck because he played for the sixers and i was a bulls fan. i was supposed to not like the lakers because i grew up in chicago and so with that being said, it's okay in women's sports that have a team that you root four and have somebody that you boo. and we're seeing the benefit of that now. >> but there's always comes a negative candace, you know, this neck inside of this moment for women's college basketball, we're talking about lsu star player that would be angel reese, who announced today. this is good news. she's entering the wnba draft. she had this tier field response to the harsh scrutiny that she's been dealing with lately >> i've been through so much. i've seen so much. i've been attacked so many times death threats. i've been sexualized. i've been threatened. all this

has happened since i won the national championship and i said that the day since then i'd like to know from you can is what you made of her comments because it's been troubling to me that she'd got some grief because people say, look, she did >> all this trash talking and now because she's lost, she's she's now trying to elicit sympathy that is not what i saw when i heard her words today. or yesterday. what did you think >> you know, i think it's there's a price with fein and unfortunately now with the landscape, the way that college basketball is, and we talk about this time and time again with young tv stars and tennis and mlb and all that stuff. is these things are coming to them when they're still 17, 18 years old. and you know, we always talk about in the nba how fans, fan is short for fanatic they're going to come and yell at you if you don't meet their parlay they're going to scrutinize you when you lose and they're going to celebrate you when you, when and

unfortunately, i think the stars now are having to learn these lessons at a younger age. and i just hope that's the ncw that universities that people are able to step in and help you stars navigate not just the burden of fame and dealing with all that comes with it, but also financially, like you're upfront given so much money that is so well-deserved. how are you then planning for your future as well? so i think that this is the job of an nc doublet of a university to make sure that they surround the student athlete with the support that they need >> last question obviously, you pot on my broadcast and family is to o'neal are bigger on tuesday night, as he is on thursday night? >> stack is shack 24/7. so you probably no more or no less, but i got to say it is a treat to be able to work with you. all i in all seriousness, grew

up idolizing you and sometimes i have to pinch myself and i'm sitting at a desk with you i'm i'm going to. give you this moment for a second because i joke a lot. but working with you all is unbelievable. and the kid in me cannot believe that i'm broadcasting with the round mound of rebound big superman. so i have a great time with you all >> you know. obviously you coming off a championship with the aces yeah, there's going to be obviously, you guys, y'all are terrific and it's an honor. but can you talk about the juce that kaitlyn has gone to bring to indiana next year because man, all eyes go beyond the fever you guys all lot of defendant champs. but it's got to be some like, man, it's going to be so exciting now a new is she's going to be bringing to the wnba 100%. i think anytime you are able to have new eyeballs and a new fan, fan base and you know, i

think it's going to be beneficial to not only just the fever, but, you know, to the entire wnba and my challenge to the wnba is to continue to raise the bar and know that you know, with more stars comes more expectations and so i hope that we're ready to continue to grow and blend continue to build. because a lot, a lot has been said that when you leave college and you go to the wnba, i remember diana taurasi told me this when i was coming out of tennessee and i was the first draft pick and rookie of the year and mvp and she's like, yeah, this is the heyday. she's like and then as time goes on, people forget and i hope that we take that as a challenge. and we say that no, we're going to continue to raise the bar and make her more of a star well candace i'm really excited about the game and i know you've heard this, that the women's tickets for the final four are higher than the men's. i like that. i like that. i think that's says a lot. i'll be there. i'm excited yeah.

>> yes. well, good luck to tell. good good luck to tennessee at the file a four oh, sorry. bad example a shot i know the thing. if you're not first, you're last, but if you losing your first round and you can't make comments like that. so oh, wow >> there are drop the mic. is dropped we're going to continue that conversation then who like her, who's also thank you. >> awesome with a capital a, we're going to continue this conversation with we've invited a friend espn stephen smith. do you think you'll have something to say? he's going to join his right after the break seven astronauts >> shutting off on a scientific mission, columbia, houston? object. >> i didn't know anything concerning it. there were people that did though >> the space shuttle accident,

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imprint.com imprint >> for certain. >> i'm arlette saenz at the white house, and this is cnn >> the alban 50 to mark mother's yes. >> good. can you name a male player >> dj burns what about you? >> i'm not so good. >> i'm not a lot >> no. >> can you name a female calls play >> caitlin clark, of okay haley far yeah. >> everybody. >> you yeah. there you go >> we are everybody knows her name. it's like that cheers commercial. where are you going? everybody knows your name. we're talking about the phases of college basketball. so it's only fair we think to bring in the face of espn, he's the author of the memoir, straight shooter, which is a perfect title for you, steven a. smith you just heard kansas car candace parker rather talking about the criticism yeah. >> we were talking that angel reese, his face. yeah.

>> what's your reaction to that? what's your take on that? well, first of >> all, understand she's been through a lot since you want to championship last year. she pointed out that her life has been miserable unfortunately, we live in a society where there's some no good racist out there that you'll certainly know that some of them got into e are some of the criticism was aimed in her direction from those be about strictly certainly not. i'm just talking about that's one element. then there's the other element of further and carved. you just, just a real hyperactive competition. she was somebody that was very bragged doses to some degree, she taunted caitlin clark. people forget that caitlin clark had spent the entire season last year taunting all of her opponents while she was busy, embarrassing one of them after another because she it's that phenomenal and she's that great. and then angel reese got the best of her and made sure that she rubbed in in a bit excessively. people didn't forget about that. just so you have that element and people looking at hur's classless of stuff like that >> why some people say she brought the backlash on herself? yes. to some degree, but not to the degree that she received it. people can cross

the lines. certainly you can be you don't mind being the bad guy. he would know a thing or two about that. you don't mind it at all, right. but it can get out of line. it can get out of hand and certainly in this country as an. american, you see it happening all the time. so i really felt bad for her and i love the fact that a teammates came up and spoke on her behalf again, she invited some of the scrutiny, no doubt, but she didn't invite it to the degree that she received it. and remember, this is a young lady here. she's not a seat he's a veteran experiences in college. you went to national championship. you're not anticipating that this level of vitriol is going to come and get direction. nevertheless, it did. and it's a lesson about the game. i don't think what bothers me is it became so personal against remember that's what bothered or remember, it gets personal because people are hoping that it will have a personal effect on you. so it will derail you for what you're focused on and what you're trying to do to achieve. she is great. lsu was great. and as a result, there's a whole bunch of

people in this world who ain't great but wish they were and as a result of that dead definition of success is bringing you down to their level because they can't possibly elevate themselves to your level. >> she's young, she's she's young. and so she's had to learn that the hard way. but i think she'll be tougher. she'll be stronger and she'll be an even greater lady and a woman down the line because of it. >> you know, are really thought this through this whole thing of last year because after the games, they were talking more about the animosity and the finger-pointing. and it was a great thing for lsu and what caitlin did for the game last year. i thought right after the game, people spent more time talking about what was going on between them tooth and the greatest of lsu and then i feel bad now because instead of talking about the greatness of caitlin clark were talking about this bs and i feel bad for the young lady. well we'll say this, even though they're talking about it to some degree, were talking about it right now. a vast majority of the conversation has been about the grade is the case in class.

and should be this this i had the pleasure of doing an event listener in iowa where she and i did an event together, 11,000 some people packed outside to watch her. they certainly weren't there for me. they were there for her they have to. but in the >> point n assist and >> let me tell you something right now, spending time with her, spending time with the parents or whatever, she's an incredible role auto very poised, very season. and it's going to be incredibly marketable. and one of the reasons why i like your tweets tonight of the game started out saying, wait a second, let's see what happens. let's see what happens then further on,

you said never mind, have a mind. you have >> nobody can stop it out. >> like to say this >> age or race along with caitlin clark does nothing wrong would be in the villain at times, as long as it doesn't cross lines, the audience it's nothing wrong with it because it helps and kansas, i was listening to canada's two wonderful candace maga talking about this as well that when you have a villain and you have a hero in some people's eyes everyone's been marketed. >> you're not going to forget about age reese, you're going to remember the sheet lost monday night, but it mattered because she won the national championship against that same caitlin clark a year earlier. it was the first time and five and six matches a caitlin clark, ever beat angel reese. so we've got to take that into consideration as well. they're both going to the wnba. they're both household names. they're both going to be successful. and she just got the bit of you in the last round before you both went to the pro level, it's okay. >> yeah. i charles said he was a villain when we he said that he was a villain and was like

that he loved it, he loved it >> no, no. but but i do understand the amo gill >> right. >> if i if you a villain today, yeah. or you overly confident because you know, kim mulkey's get some animosity yeah. and she's a great coach but in my de we didn't have the internet. we didn't have people on television coming for your head every 24, 7147? yes. a different animal. i tell all these young players you got to be careful because people, everything you say you i always get mad at, you see some jocks and get in trouble. somebody stood in high school, were all dahman stupid and isolated. but you put a tweet out. we didn't i'm so all we have to send, we had rotary phones. i will say this today's day and age to

age that we're living in back in the day, you didn't have social media. so back in the de you at the mercy of the fourth estate, the media this day and age that's not necessarily the case. and far more often than not, the athletes are the ones getting themselves in trouble because in an effort to really express themselves and the show their independence in the show that they have a voice and then not dependent on the media, you go out there, you say some things and, you know, when you'd look in the media for large, you understand this bag >> some things to stephen. do you ever think that sometimes you create some of the controversy about what i >> mean, just >> just your delivery sometimes when i first met you, i thought do you always holler like that? right? >> the answer is yes and it has say that's you always that and answers yes. yes. >> but sometimes it seems to me that you'd like to stir things up. well, you >> could say that and i'm not going to deny that that what the result is, but that's not my intent. i say what i mean and i mean what i say. i'm not

apologize. and 40 anybody i know that i'm fair. i know that i'm humane i'll use the facts to decide what my position is going to be in y bacot up with a level of substance that is required. and i go from there. i have long i've heard you say if i'm wrong i won't i won't say something publicly be wrong and then apologize privately. yeah. i'll apologize. probably you got guys like him. they will guy he was holding the media accountable plenty of players and athletes and coaches of stuff while holding people accountable i have their respect because they knew that i would man up and fess up if i was wrong. but if i wasn't wrong, i wasn't budget and that's the way that it goes now that creates controversy and clicks and notoriety and all this other stuff. so be it. that's the way of the world you're doing something in a public forum. you ain't playing basketball or football in your bedroom as in front of the masses? >> yeah. >> but we we both have been through this before these are the most fans can people i've been around the question in my life, that's right. >> bag like no, ma'am. we got a job to do. right.

>> but you know what the elevator it really bothers me. i don't mind criticizing guys. the one thing that bothers me has anybody ever called you as a man? thanks for saying good stuff about never, never >> never >> i can say nine great things about somebody i say, one bad thing agent, the agent want to talk to you they mama wanted to talk to you ridiculous >> chuck knows this. listen, i'll bring up a name, i'll tell you scepter right now i believe that lebron james is one of the top four players in the history of basketball the history of basketball. >> okay. >> and i have said this religiously time and time and time again. i've compliment him as a player i've. complement them as an act of businessman, a director. i mean everything i mean that come and >> steven i don't have him as the go >> his boys >> i see ya act like that's an insult. >> it isn't. >> i haven't number two in the history of the game that

started in the 1947 and because i don't have them as number one, it's an insult. it's just it's just an example of what we have to deal with that chuck is alluding to that's just a poor example of it, but it really, rely is at sensitin thibeuse of the branding, beuse th see so many opportunities to make money and they attached in ne two brands and eight big the slightest negativity well, kurt from their bottom line, they know what they wrote jail, know what drives me crazy. when i got when i did stuff wrong? yes. but i didn't call it >> the reported like, you man, why you said that about me. i'm like, yeah, i did something wrong number one. >> well, charles is one of the all-time great, but we don't put them at like top 25 we make i'll put them at like number two, three, or four. i mean, i got kareem and wilt and russell, people like debt to appeal to god books i'm going to top 25. i'm good with that, right a lot of people have a tester basketball. i'm pretty

good if he's not question but would be not tell you by stephen a yes. >> he's >> one of the hardest working people that i've ever been around duis but what he says is true and you might not like what he says he. goes he go is to truth. he's not trying to get clicks. you believe that, you does that. i really admire. he don't run from you he does not run from you. that's reporters who i know who are personal friends of mine, never been in a locker room analysts say the most asked about you? >> yeah >> never even come to the game because i learned a long time ago, big job is not to be right there. job is to get clicks may clicks. now but in my de, you man guys who are great friends of by say, i almost said it's on a ready you today as to why what you said that he says my job is to get these foods to call it and argue with me for four hours. i don't have to be right. i don't have to be wrong. my job that's

>> that's not you know, no, no, >> no, no, but i would say if he likes to say we both i've had agents told you agents called me all the time. i've had coaches called me all the time. i've had moms and dads can be two parents of course, siblings. >> and what do you say if somebody's mothers on the phone or yeah, that just happened a couple of months ago with the play that will remain nameless. yeah. yeah. yeah. his mother called what are the initials? >> i won't tell. i walked out. i won't i won't >> gail >> will not tell, but i will and i guess no, no >> but i will say i will say i appreciate the points. i always have profound respect for them. yeah, i always listen to what they had to say and then i say to them, this is my job. i'm talking basketball when it's personal, less your story. i won't do that to you. i won't violate eu. but the game that's my story to tell based on what i see. observe, and hear from others as they explain their level of expertise. and the one thing that i never do, azi, right. i don't hide. i go the games. i

go inside. luck will two people have stopped me as espn because they got me in studio doing so many dad going shows. if it wasn't for that you'd see me on average up until the year 2017, i went to a minimum of 125 games, but see you like doing all those dag and we're shows you're not complaining another thing about being in a locker room and being on island and making sure my number never changes. so, you know where to find me. if you really, really wanted to, in addition to that, though, charles, you also know that he's also an actor because you're on general let's give a shout out to opta brick expert for the mob i don't think so. >> hey, man keep going >> probably your success >> thank you so much for you always been a great job like cheering for you. always pick the chair so much i actually did you did when i asked good job the chairs he goes i don't give a beep about the chairs. he's lion, he likes to sit down comfortably. i they're not

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country is going to cease to exist. it could be the last election we ever have. i actually mean that we don't win. i think this could be the last election we ever have. that's where our country's going well, we all heard that meg aid, the rhetoric that he uses is so incendiary and he used >> phrases like bloodbath, if i don't win and then said he wasn't talking about violence in the streets. he was talking about the economy what do you make you know, we're, we're, we're 2024 the election is 2016, 2020. what makes us different in 2024, there's a couple of things but you're right about the rhetoric that it has become much more apocalyptic. i would say over the last couple of years since he left office and it was already it seems to be wrapping up every single gene. it has increased with these rallies over time. and certainly in recent weeks at the rally, you're talking about where he said bloodbath? yeah. he also saluted the people who rioted on january 6 at the capitol. and that was very and patriots,

right there. he's going to release called calls people, hostages, pardon them. yeah. so i think that what is happening is a couple of things. i think that is he is running and he is facing the threat of losing his freedom. he is facing four indictments. there's only one trial scheduled. it starts in a few weeks, but he is essentially running in part for his freedom at minimum. some people think it gets more than that. >> number one, number two, this >> is a rematch between two people who ran against each other for years ago. and now both of them have a record. and so that does actually make it different because with neither one of them is anything just a hypothetical we really haven't seen that in decades in this country very, very long time >> but the way that the former >> president is characterizing this race and characterizing the country is really, really dark and it isn't going to dangerous and well, and it's striking a note for a lot of his supporters. now what we have seen nevertheless, couple of years and we've talked about this a lot, is an increase in the threats of political

violence. and i think that is a big open question about what we see in the next seven months or beyond between all these cases. how's he going to navigate running for president because even if you're not on trial, you say you got one trial, but you still have all these motions where you're supposed to be the house he go navigate all this. >> it's a great question. and right now there's again still this one trial starts on april 15. that's expected it to last probably about eight weeks. give or take a little bit of time. >> then it rolls >> right into the convention than it rolls into the democratic convention. and then the fall election. and so the big open question is will there be a federal trial related his efforts to subvert the transfer of power in 2020. will that happen in the fall? it seems less and less likely. he seems seems to be very successful in delay, delay, delay. that's is really working for him i miss it now, absolutely. that has been their strategy the whole time. that's decision. i've ever made. >> our lowest prices on the

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amount of cash. there was no way to verify that he appears to be likely to get an infusion from this social media deal for truth social that he has, but the stock has been bouncing right or wrong. that's right. and so i have no idea what he's actually worse than. i don't know that we will ever do you think it matters well, i think it matters to him. yeah >> yeah. >> it doesn't matter in terms of the minds of voters. look for people who don't like him, that matters and for people who do like him, they already believe what he's been saying for decades. i don't know how much the actual fact would make a difference at this point. i do know it matters to him because he spent years trying to get on wealthiest persons list and talking about his net worth and inflating it in conversations. so it's it's, it's a big statistic to him in if the democrats lose their proudly lose graciously if president trump loses, are you worried about, i mean, we got to be worried about anger,

violence, or not accepting the results. and that's something you'd really think about. >> i think that the post-election period honestly no matter who wins, but obviously very different if it's donald trump. but i do think that the thought of donald trump coming back is going to be very upsetting to a number of democrats. i think you will see legal challenges in certain states depending on what things let's look like. i do not think that you will see president biden say go march to the capital, which is obviously what we saw january 6. >> now i'll be right and i'll see you there >> but i think it's it's impossible not to look at the current landscape and wonder what this foretells about the future in terms of threats of political violence. absolutely i happen to believe that we as americans have more in common than not. and i think most people really do want to do the good do the right thing. and i think most of us really are in the middle as a country and we all want the same things for each other. health happiness, good, good jobs. you want your

kids to do better than you did. or you want people to be mentally healthy and all of that seems to be in jeopardy to me. when we look at what's happening in this country, i think it just raise something that i think is really important and really striking about these trump rallies. that is different than what we saw eight years ago. >> i don't like the us versus them. >> that is that is how you win elections though but in a various seems to have an us versus them and we can do but we don't have to hate each other with the way that i see happening in this case. >> hundred percent. i guess what bothers yeah. >> there's two things i'd say on that. i had a line in the book that i wrote about him when he was stoking all of this anger against the teenagers arrested in the central part, jagr case, where exonerated or exonerated and their confessions coerced one of whom is now city council member, that trump's saw hate as a civic good that was basically his ethos. and i think you have seen that carry through now for years. >> but you have >> at these rallies where he is cursing more often, he is saying, as i said, very four

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>> somebody talked to on a tuesday, been able to say anything, do anything, and then loving you back unconditionally . someone who can dunk your layout can you have too many good brands, quality over quantity is always good. >> that's what we just said. >> yeah, he did have one friend. >> yes >> as you are friends can make all the difference in your life. but what happens when you don't see them? what happens right now, americans listen, this are socializing and person less than any time in history. we're fascinated by this, so we got derek thompson, who has been covering this phenomenon, including what said style about because i've been waiting for derrick. >> okay, let me finish. let me finish the intro or derek, this phenomena including this recent piece for the atlantic why american suddenly stopped hanging out. also joining us is our friend van leighton, who clearly has gotten the cowboy carter album is hosted the rigor pak has higher learning because listen, derek has been

here a couple of times. we've never seen it. what the cowboy look, i'm just thinking where are you influenced? i mean, ban van, sorry. yeah. because over there it it started shortly before beyonce. i like to think that i inspire her oh, okay. >> all right. >> all right, derek, europe, what do you think in charles >> so we're talking about you're in a production meeting. you said people have less than less friends now, who's the loser? don't have friends >> as you a question, it is very hard to figure out how americans hang out across the country. there's 100,320 million of us. >> but >> the bureau of labor statistics has something called the american time you survey, where they asked people how they spend their day, how much time do you spend cooking? how much time you spend working, how much time do you spend socialite? fighting with people in-person they found that in-person socializing has for all americans declined by 25% from menn decline by 30% for non-married menn declined by 45% and for young people. and black men declined by 50%. so we're now in a period where

what are they doing, derek, what are they doing if they're not? so what are they doing? >> they suny washing lot of tv. the truth is like one of the things that's growing the fastest is watching television alone. >> and this is my problem with it your loneliness is not sure. fault, but it is your responsibility to get your up and go outside hey, got everything that you want to do is outside man, basketball is outside and we're going walking around the lake is outside. beautiful bodies outside. we got to get off the couch and go find ourselves with some someone should go out with your friends at least but not the same friend. but you should have a group of friends, uga out with at least one day a week day a week preferably on the weekend. okay. okay. one day a week. okay. i thought you were saying once i thought you were saying every day, once a day, no, no, no, no. one >> day a week job i believe >> one day on the weekend used to go out with your friends, have a drink or a nice meal food that one day a week. >> but then you were saying before we came on the air that you have the things vision pro

the vision pro. >> yeah. >> and that your significant other we're saying, listen, i'm dude, we have to do something. >> so while >> you're saying go out, but you said you're caught up looking at the vision pro or vision pro. so one of the people that we're talking about yeah. but i don't want you to take away from my connection to the vision pro. vision pro is something different. it's a whole another world i can be on the move. i can do all kinds of stuff on my iron man inside the vision pro, but you're doing it alone. it is along, it's very lonely, however, is rewarding, but this is why i would say i actually have to stop though i had to scale back. my neck started hurting, i started to get headaches and it's a very soft solitary thing to do. i do think that part of this is that what the way that we're interacting. people don't know how to initiate friendships and conversations with people anymore. but everybody has a little girded up and guarded, not want to hurt people's feelings and not one to come off in a certain way. and so i think that's part of it too. >> do you guys think it's harder to make sense when you get older question first go ahead but when you do, you should have already your friends ran a friends when you get all weight, you get

>> all to be friends, gayle but my. question don't they don't bug-eyed. >> how much are you does a residual effect of covid? >> i think covid was a huge accelerate are absolutely. i mean, you already see socializing going down, down, down in the 1990s, 2000 but really i think covid was an enormous accelerator. no one did. i think about in terms of the difference between men and women, because the survey has interesting stuff, it shows that basically women at every single age hang out more than men at that, at that age >> how somebody else a gossip about the science. so here's got to have some by the compliance it's not complaining. we have intelligent conversation, but women do tend to talk more. they do tend to open up more with their friend. i think women might be better at making friends too. so just tell me anything about this. this is an idea that i got from a writer named richard reeves. anything about this? >> i think women are better at face to face socializing, like, let's get a drink, let's get a coffee, let's get dinner. menn drinks, mega coffee has been

gets inner women are better at face-to-face men do a lot of shoulder to shoulder socializing. >> but >> once again together, shoulder, shoulder to bar, it's like golf together, shoulder to shoulder >> basketball golf guy there's an activity or round which they socialize for women, it's more face-to-face and i think that that might make it harder for men to make friends as they get older. it's, it's hard to think of new activities to do, whereas for women they're just like activity holds >> there's not a lot you can do. >> maybe that's it, except you drink coffee and wine. but >> well, when you get older, you can play golf first death, it kept play sports or you get a whole right >> phishing more shoulder to shoulder. but this is it. this is why would conversations are they having, derek? they're not sometimes serious. yeah. i was going to say sometimes they're not having if a man is going through something, it's depending on the friendship with another guy. he's not even going to talk about it argentine talk, about it or generalize, there's a lot of men who love getting into it with their guy friends and talking about deep emotions. there's lots of other guys

that are more stoic, but i absolutely agree that for men, overall, they're probably a little more guarded about their emotions. they're probably a little bit less likely to give up the weakness that they feel about themselves and that i think also makes it harder to develop the kind of deep, intimate friendships later into adulthood that you don't come into adulthood already having made in high-school, the surgeon general says that there is a loneliness epidemic in this country, but vec murthy, he says that there's a loneliness epidemic that we as a country americans or lonelier and feeling more alone than we ever have before. >> it's i understand that it's very important to be serious about that. but the only elixir to it is to go seek the company of other people and put yourself out there. i know that we are wrapped up in technology and it's harder to do, but i promise you, doom is not outside it the door, life and friends and laughter and parties and all of that stuff strippers, all of that stuff. is outside your door. you gotta go to them >> journalist refers hi drink

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