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>> we'll >> president biden faces >> a red line moment and a high-stakes call over the deadly strike against aid workers in gaza will change any the thing. >> plus >> new video from inside the raid on his home and the new reporting on the interviews, the feds are now conducting tonight. a lot barcodes life in just a matter of hours. >> president by i will be speaking on the phone with benjamin netanyahu is their first phone call since the deadly israeli airstrike in gaza that killed seven people, innocent aid workers with chef jose andres's world central kitchen, a strike that. geoff andres know now says was the deliberate targeting of his workers >> these was not use bad lag
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situation where we dropped the bomb in the wrong place or, or not, this was over 1.51, 0.8 kilometers with a very defined humanitarian convoy that had signs in the top in the roof a very colorful logo that we are obviously very proud of, that that's very clear who we are and what we do. but i know is that we were targeted deliberately non-stop until everybody was dead in these convoy >> you can hear the emotion and the grief and his voice, the anger, frankly these are people with traveling some of the world's biggest disaster zones with the purest of missions feed the hungry. >> they were in gaza to >> feed starving people. and it cost them their own lives. now israel is blaming miss identification for the attack, but cnn analyzed video and images of the aftermath which show the attack appears to have consisted of multiple precision
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strikes the question now is whether this could serve as a red line moment for the president so far biden has expressed his frustration is outrageous heartbreak. but will that evolve into a change stance on his support for israel? well, we know for sure, is that a senior administration official says the president is angry that he'll be quote expressing his frustration unquote. tomorrow to netanyahu directly. so what exactly does that mean? expressing one's frustration and will netanyahu even care? but for the president's critics and the tens of thousands and critical state to have uncommitted or what was the other one uninstructed in primaries frustration expressed may not be enough. and new tonight we've learned the pressure on biden extends all the way to his personal residence since the new york times is reporting that first lady jill biden has privately urged the president to end the conflict according to an attendee at a meeting
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with muslim committee leaders last night, the president said that the first lady had been telling him to quote, stop it, stop it. now joe i want to bring and cnn contributor ev an osc knows he is the author of joe biden, the life, the run. and what matters now. also here, cnn global affairs analyst can dozer, i'm so glad that you're both here. we begin with you for a second, evan, because the president is angry. ready to express his frustration where hearing you have talked one-on-one with the president at length in recent months. how will that conversation go? i think it's going to be pretty >> tense, laura. i mean, i think there's just no question now that the united states and israel are really at odds over the conduct of this war. i mean the fact is that when joe biden says he was outraged and heartbroken over this there are a lot of people who say, well now, how does that turn into? in this call tomorrow? look, as we know, and a diplomatic colleague we're not going to get every detail about what they talked about. but one
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thing to look for is whether you see any changes on the ground afterwards in terms of access for humanitarian aid, for instance, does the idf provide escorts to humanitarian workers to be able to operate more safely? does the israeli government talked about evacuating people from rafah? these are the kinds of things that will give us a sign of how far president biden is willing to go and putting pressure on the israelis. >> can we turn to you here because you heard the reporting for the new york times that dr. jill biden is urging that president biden stop it, stop it. now, you had chris van hollen, a senator who is a close ally of biden as well, saying that he hopes this will be the moment where the president changes course >> he talked a lot about red lines. we hear that oftentimes is this that i think that this is hammered home to the white house that israel is saying >> one thing but doing another they have, however, been asking
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israel behind the scenes, asking the idf to be more precise and this gives them ammunition to say, you're not living up to your promises, you're not living up to your own ideals of accuracy we're paying attention to this because it was a foreign aid convoy and everyone knows, chef jose andres. so unlike when the israeli say, oh, it was a un convoy and they were lying they can't say that this time, and they have their own internal reporting that one side of the idf new where this convoy was, but another part of the idf systematically targeted these three vehicles down. andres describes how the vehicles were spread out over a one mile area. the first guard got attacked everyone ran out of that, went to the second car second car got attacked. they ran to the third the third was obliterated and they were all killed. can you imagine their terror >> and so this has
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>> happened to un aid workers, but now we're all finally paying attention to it in a way that the white house will be able to say to bibi netanyahu, you've got to change course. but netanyahu is hoping that he'll have a trump administration in a few months and the netanyahu government is allowed to stay in office for three years, as long as bb can keep his right-wing coalition together. >> evan, on that point biden and started out with a pretty full-throated support for israel but his message has changed as this war has progressed, as the civilian casualties have increased, and famine imminent. listen israel has the right to defend itself and his people full stop. we have made it clear to the israelis and they're aware the independent, the safety of innocent palestinians is still of great concern. the conduct of the response in gaza, in the
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gaza strip has been over the top i've been working nonstop to establish an immediate ceasefire that one last for six weeks to get all the prisoners released >> evan, what do you make of this evolution? >> yeah there is a very clear trend line here. one of the moments that was not in that montage, which is important two, is in december when he started talking about israel viewing indiscriminate bombing. that was a term that was chosen by choice. that that means something. and i think what it is a sign of his, of real frustration when i've talked to the president not too long ago about the war you can see it in his body language. there is a level of a problem that he has not been able to solve. and you could see it in the way he talks about it. as he said israel had at the time though, he said, don't underestimate the capacity, the desire is he
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said to go after for hamas with every ounce of capacity and he said, but that doesn't mean it should be continued. it doesn't mean it should be right. >> and what >> he's walking is this line between putting pressure on israel in a way that his political career tells him to. and look, i know that there are people who say, why isn't he calling bibi netanyahu out? more aggressively, more powerful, more forcefully, wisely breaking with him because his view today has been that the way that you can get them to do anything is by working with them, not by arguing publicly against them, but i think we're approaching this point now. as kim said, in which the events on the ground have become so unmistakably contrary to american interests and values that this is reaching the point where you're going to see a more forceful, a more forceful response from it. >> and kim, i mean, it's it's every campaign stop. it's every official moment as well. and it's not just the united states, not in terms of an
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election. there is a growing global backlash and reaction to what's happening. and we're talking about netanyahu, but there's also reporting from new york times as maggie haberman tonight, that the former president donald trump, actually it comes into this mix. he spoke recently with saudi arabia's prince mohamed bin salman. the context, the conversation is unclear. we don't know all of that but this was the first publicly disclosed conversation since trump left the white house. what do you make of this meeting >> i think trump is reaching out to former allies and saying, you hold fast, i'm on my way back in because he firmly believes that while trump is reported to have said some disturbing things to a right-wing jewish group of people that he thinks the fighting in gaza should stop i think once if he does win, the white house back, the people who advise him on the middle east they remained loyalists.
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they didn't become never trumpers. they're likely coming back in. and i think that they would very quickly convince him that he's got to stay the course with israel allow it to do whatever it needs to do to fight hamas and biden is in the tough situation of, yes, he's got to keep the democrats together, but he also has to keep that wide middle ground of america with him to win the next election. and many of them are still pro israel and don't want to see military aid cut off. >> really what a conundrum, what the call will happen tomorrow. >> i'll be >> very curious to see every nostos kim dozer. thank you both so much. >> and now over to trump's legal >> world where special counsel jack smith is delivering his sharpest rebuke yet against judge aileen cannon in the classified docs case in a filing, just late last night, smith saying judge cannon had ordered briefings based on quote fundamentally flawed
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understandings of the case that has he they call it no basis in law or in fact, not in plain english. what does that mean? special counsel smith is telling judge aileen cannon that she has no idea what she is talking about. so what's this all about? well, judge cannon requested jury instructions from both sides to no, you didn't miss anything the trial has not started and no, they haven't even pick the jury in the trial date itself is written in pencil, not inke for jack smith wants the judge to reject trump's claim that he cannot be prosecuted because he transformed somehow classified documents into private propertynder what's called the presidential records act that last month, the judge seemed to signal that she thought that defense was absurd but then here's the confusing part for jack smith's team she asked for jury instructions that would say the opposite. now the big question is, where do we go from here? well, nationally security attorney
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brad moss is here with me at the magic wall. and as i understand it, brad we have got three options here and three doors. so what is behind door number one? what happens if judge cannon does not agree with special counsel smith? so >> this is sort of the nightmare scenario for the government. if judge cannon disagrees with how jack smith's outlined everything in his filing and sends this to a jury with that jury instruction. it's basically an open shut case in donald trump's favor. his lawyers could sit their play candy crush on their phones the entire time because the way the jury instruction is currently he set out it would not allow for the government to win. that's why jack smith outlines this in the beginning of his filing, saying it is vitally important that the court promptly decide whether the unstated legal premise, this idea about the presidential records act under lung, the recent orders does in the court's view, represent a correct formulation of law? >> they're >> saying this is what jack smith's saying is you've got it all wrong. you don't you certainly don't understand how
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this presidential records act works in with respect to the espionage act trump's whole legal theory is garbage if you send this to a jury like this jeopardy will have attached. we won't be able to appeal a directed verdict in his favor, and we can't even proceed to trial at that, but she's got decide as a matter of law that this defence cannot be available. he's trying to punt to the jurors to say, hey, what do you guys think? goodbye, admin. she she's supposed to decide. all right? >> the door number two, because now the question is, if the judge does change the jury instructions, what is that enable jack smith to do? >> so this is sort of the reverse. this is donald trump's nightmare. this is what the government wants to see. this is the way the espionage act cases always proceed is it's simply an issue of whether unauthorized possession did you have the records and did you fail to return them when confronted about it? that's the essence of their case. and this is what he outlines jack smith's team outlines in the filing that the question of whether the presidential records act has any impact on the element of
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unauthorized possession under section 7903, which is the espionage act provision does not turn on any of adventurer issue. this is basically the doj saying to judge cannon, this is a strict question of law. it's not a question for the jury. you're the judge, you have to decide this. now, in the pretrial motions do you agree with donald trump if you do, go ahead. rule in his favor will appeal to them circuit. but if you don't, you've got to reject his motion. get to throw out this jury instruction, and we proceed to trial with standard jury instructions in an espionage act case. so undergoing over two or behind it, the case this could still move forward compared to if they choose the jury, that trump would want. this case could be doa correct if if it's number one, this bit may well not have a case that thing is over. >> how about door number three? i hate dave and click get, let's see what's going on in order number three, the question is, if canon six to her initial points, what are the special counsel's options? >> this is jimmy appeal. yeah. so this is where i think we're likely headed to is it's question of does she simply dismiss it through the pretrial
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motion as a matter of law or does she say i'm going to try to keep with these jury instructions, but i'm gonna tell you now in advance of going to trial, that's why the government was very clear here. the government must have the opportunity to consider appellate review before jeopardy attaches. they have to be able to bring this to the 11th circuit. now, if she's going to go this way before they start their case, because once they start their case, double jeopardy attaches. and if there's a directed verdict in donald trump's favor, they have no appellate options. that's why they're saying pick what you're going to do at this point. just decide what you want to do as a matter of law will go to the 11th circuit if we need to do so. so reminding people that >> the jurors are called fact finders, they decide issues of fact, but the court decides the legal issues. and so if she does not rule on this motion to dismiss, that they would not be able to go to the 11th circuit court of appeals, and then they get to go to a trial and then could be all bad. >> so this is where this is an interesting if she does, if she
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tries to pump this now, they're going to seek what's called a writ of mandamus. it's very extraordinary option it's very rarely >> tell me what it means. writ >> of mandamus basically means it's extraordinary relief. it's telling an appellate court, the district courts messing up there, doing something. it's abuse of discretion completely misunderstanding the law. you need to come in and intervene now, that is what they will likely have to do if she tries to continue to punt this to the jury, they'll seek a rick what's called that writ of mandamus till the 11th circuit. you've got a set of straight right now, setting restraints. some people were talking about that might mean considering whether she should remain on the case as that's gonna be pretty vicious. >> well, i'll be waiting to see. i don't necessarily know if they're going to go that route, but that would be part of the discussion, no doubt. >> well, we'll say the gloves seem to be off so far, bradley, my thank you so much. also, coming up a new video from inside the raid on diddy's la home and brand new cnn reporting on the interviews the fed's and now conducting who they might be talking to and what they might no
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says, or laser beams from firearms pointed at his chest, health and saying, quote, if these were the sons of a non-black celebrity, they would not have been handled with the same aggression she goes on to say, how many times have we seen young unarmed black men not make it out of these types of situations alive helton also saying that she attained an attorney to investigate what she is calling an excessive use of force i want to get right to john miller, cnn's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst. he served as the deputy commissioner of intelligence and counter at the nypd also joining me is neama rahmani, the president of west coast trial lawyers. he's also a former federal prosecutor. gentlemen. thank you both for joining me this evening may begin with you, john, because you've got some new reporting. i understand that officials are in the process of interviewing witnesses who were the witnesses. and what about well, this investigation is based on two successful models that
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homeland security investigation has used before one of course, is the r. kelly case, which was brought to the federal courts as a racketeering case in the eastern district of new york brooklyn federal court, where he was convicted and send a wave for 30 years. and that was a case that started with agents reviewing claims that were made in civil suits, finding those plaintiffs finding people who were present during the things that occurred, interviewing them in some cases, giving them grand jury subpoenas. and basically recreating the civil cases as criminal investigations where they gathered that evidence and presented them in court to a jury. so in this case, they're going down the same route. >> i do wonder which came first. are you building your case on a parallel track or as one prompting the other, it sounds like perhaps the catalyst might be the civil litigation so far as we know it, nema let me bring you in here because there are a number of lawsuits that are surrounding diddy and so far we know that he had settled at
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least one with cassie ventura. if there's a criminal investigation to diddy, though, if there's an nda met someone talk which i assume there would be one. she could still be compelled to cooperate with investigators, right? >> lower that's absolutely right. >> an nda can't prevent a victim from reporting a crime to law enforcement. and congress passed a law last year that actually invalidates nba's related to sexual assault and harassment. so did he can't use an nva to silence the victims in this case, whether it's inside the courtroom or outside >> well, that's really helpful for investigators if they're compelling someone to actually testify. we also saw earlier the video john, that was posted by musah hilton, one of the mother of one of his sons of the raid. it's scary to watch to see what took place. and the point that she's making about these encounters it's certainly not lost on me. >> even >> though everyone was ultimately safe, at least physically, there's a lot that could have gone wrong and
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people are wondering why there was such a presence of force applied in this way, in the sense of the presence of law enforcement. did that strike you as odd? >> well, based on the allegations that were being investigated, and i'm think it's a good time here to say both sean combs through his attorneys have denied all of those allegations, as has his son, justin, who is named in another one of the lawsuits and who has seen here being confronted by armed federal relations from homeland security. but if you read the narratives in the civil cases which are part of this investigation particularly in the rodney jones investigation, you hear him talking about sean combs allegedly going to closets in the home in miami and in los angeles and handing out weapons to people who are either private security are part of his entourage. in one case, allegedly gang members in the cassie ventura lawsuit she filed under oath that mr. combs
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had her carry his pistol wherever they went together in her purse. again, all things that combs has denied. but when you're hitting a large property like this that has cameras that can see you coming from a mile away that can monitor your movements inside where you have reports of guns being stored there. and but and guns being carried there by people your tactical plan is probably going to include a show of force which has a tactical advantage in case you face gunfire. and we've seen that before and at least a psychological advantage when you're trying to conduct a raid with the element of speed and surprise. so evidence isn't destroyed and so you don't meet existence in this case. none of that happened but you can certainly understand a mother's feeling watching this video that's a traumatic experience for anyone. >> very quick on that point, john, as well when they were applying for a warrant obviously, it's a probable
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cause standard that they believe that they're likely going to be evidence of a crime located in a particular area as part of that tactical plan than to execute that search warrant, there would have been planning surrounding how they would have used force or the number of officers present? right >> right. i mean, there's a lot unusual about this warrant usually, as you know, as a former federal prosecutor, these warrants are set to go at 6:00 in the morning or later. this happens in the middle of the afternoon, but that's because at that time there was a lot of movement. was he in miami? was in california, was he headed to the airport was his private the plane waiting. as we know, he was stopped at the airport and an individual who was named as someone who allegedly carried a weapon and drugs for him was arrested at the airport, allegedly with drugs. so they were moving very swiftly to make sure that they were able to get the evidence. they believe they would find there well, swift is a question i have mimo on this point in terms of what you think
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ultimately might occur when obviously there has been no >> alec, there's been no criminal charges against diddy at all. there's no criminal charges. he is denied everything based on what you're seeing and using your expertise, the former prosecutor what's a timeline that you're expecting to see from here >> laura expect an indictment and a matter of days or weeks. no federal prosecutors in the southern district of new york, they don't go to a judge and get a search warrant for two residences unless they are close to an indictment. this is the final step of an investigation. >> i believe that they've interviewed the witnesses, either prefers the us attorney's office or potential grand jury testimony. and this is just the final step of the investigation. >> they're >> looking for the videos that diddy allegedly recorded of the sex acts. we know that there appears to be hidden cameras in the homes that may have captured these alleged acts once those hsi judge reviewed the video, i expect that grand jury indictment to be unsealed.
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and diddy or others to be arrested. >> well, if that isn't the case, it it'll be more than the mother of one child who's retaining council for that effect, john miller neama rahmani. thank you both so much >> well ahead. >> new polls and several battleground state show a tight race between these two men biden and trump. and trump making big gains with a key demographic. i've got pollster frank lens here with me to explain the trend and what it could mean. come november check your >> nothing. >> the space shuttle accidents usually not one thing. it's a series is, that. part of the wing coming apart, space shuttle columbia final flight premieres sunday at nine on cnn owner even tracking the value of our car, should we sell it, we hold are low mileage is paying off. you think we should
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president joe biden and former president donald trump. it's happened in seven key battlegrounds states >> as you can >> see, excuse me, there's no clear leader and there are about 215 days left until election day in america, but who's counting what's a campaign to do? drawing me now, pollster frank lunch is here. frank, good to see you. look at this point in the race voters in the key swing states believe trump can best handle the economy immigration by a pretty wide margin. >> look at this >> poll seven months away from election day what is the biden campaign going to do with that >> well, it's got to change the issue agenda. it the language that they'd been using on the economy, talking about bidenomics, they dropped that approach as inflation, even though it's come down significantly, the public perceives that is still a problem even though the crisis at the border does not appear to be as bad, right now as it was 30 days ago, 60 days ago.
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but the public sees it as a problem trump is beating joe biden clearly on those two critical issues, where biden is strong, is on abortion and florida is the latest state to allow a vote on election day and mark my words. if biden is able to get the abortion issue on the ballot in state after critical state. that's going to bring out younger voters and bring out female voters can bring up voters that are stronger for joe biden than they are for download i'm trump's. that's their playbook. but still inflation and immigration. that's trump's playbook. and right now, that's where voters are talking about >> hey, does that mean based on the, especially the florida and abortion, does that mean that florida might be in play as? up for grabs kinda state >> i don't see it. ron desantis, despite donald trump tearing him apart month after month after month. ron desantis has been a good governor. the state has changed its political
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stripes over the last eight years and now florida is reasonably reliable as a a republican state where this matters. and same thing with ohio where this matters is michigan, pennsylvania wisconsin, north carolina, georgia, and nevada, arizona. those are the seven key states. and trump is tied or slightly leading in all seven the wall street journal survey found that trump has support from 30% of black men 40%, 47%, excuse me. i've latino monolith. but i do wonder what is driving the >> latino communities frustration with the democratic party it's. >> a good question and one of the issues is that it seems that the biden administration is focused on african-americans and are leaving latinos, hispanics behind. and i know my focus groups. what a here is that they feel ignored
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forgotten, even betrayed that they're not part of the black brown coalition that elected joe biden in 2020. and that's a big challenge for the democrats right now because that's a core vote. there's a second group that's moved away from joe biden, which is labor union members even though the leadership is endorsing biden union after union after union in place after place. the actual membership themselves they are either tied, biden and trump are tied or trump has a small lea now the group that trump is losing our upper middle-class women in suburban communities say outside philadelphia or some of the major cities. so we see a realignment that's happening right now, and that's having a big impact in some of these key states. >> that's asking, i wonder if the power of endorsements is dwindling by that discussion of individual members versus the union itself. i do want to ask you about hominins that hillary clinton said about the voter's
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choice in this election and the reaction of stephen a smith just last night on cnn. listen to this get over yourself. those are the two choices. yeah. >> and it's kind of like one is old and effective and compassionate, has a heart and really cares about people. and one is old and has been charged with 91 felony. >> i don't think it was a very wise statement on her what how did that work out for her in 2016? >> is that the message to inspire voters for biden? what do you think? >> i think you should pay attention to stephen a. smith because he is at that nexus of voters that are going to matter for both trump and biden of people who are changing their votes, younger african-american men, he would never seen this in my lifetime. 30% of them supporting the republican candidate for president. that has never happened. one of the reasons is they identify with trumping attack by the
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government another reason is that they to feel betray that they've been promised things by democrats that have never come to fruition. >> in the end, it is the small >> groups, these small movements that are going to have a huge impact on the light we're tracking all of them >> frank lance, thank you for watching so closely. thank you so much. >> thank you >> up next philadelphia, man exonerated after 34 years, evidence was hidden at his trial and witnesses were allegedly hopes to have their statements aligned. he's here to tell his story next >> the lead with jake tapper tomorrow for cnn welcome to the waiver hood with wayfair finding your style is fine >> when the music stops grabbing it doesn't matter if you're outdoors dollar >> i'm sorry, carl, this is me and chair form
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>> what's night in our exonerated series, i want to introduce you to mr. ronald johnson. he served 34 years in prison for a crime. he did not commit. last month. they philadelphia judge vacated his sentence and reversed his conviction. jontay, but convicted of the 1990s murder of joseph golds who was shot to death in his car while police say he was dealing drugs johnson's conviction rested on to witness testimonies which changed over time. initially, neither witness place, mr. johnson at the scene of the crime. and according to the da detectives coached the witnesses to change their statements there were no fingerprints, dna, or forensic evidence that tied johnson to the scene of the crime during the trial law enforcement and prosecutors withheld evidence according to johnson's lawyer, for over three decades, ronald johnson and his family tirelessly fought to prove his
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innocence. he was 27 years old when he entered prison. he's now 61 years old and ronald johnson, he joins me now as a free man along with attorney jennifer american. thank you both so much for being here. mr. ronald johnson. thank you for being here. in particular hearing your story and thinking about three decades of what you have been through. you are now a free man released on march 4. >> can you >> tell me what this month has been like for you? >> it kind of wow, for me because everything had changed so much out in the world so i work in a phones just driving down the street or just walking down the street, everything is different, so it's like a big shot too. >> but >> i'm adjusting, but it's
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slow >> it must be the one hand scary and exciting, but i wonder what you have been feeling all this time knowing you were, you were innocent, you didn't do it, and you were there for over 30 years? >> yes yes. >> what is that >> and i thought i was going to have to get out vegas, so that pressure there is a lot you never thought you were going to get out >> why did you think that >> because daughter corruption that was in my case, i thought i would get out. thank thought no bible believing where we're showing a picture now of a view with your son before you were incarcerated you also have two sisters and you lost a brother while you were in prison. i mean, so much has happened, you say in the world, but also in your family as well? so many experiences that you were completely deprived of how do
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you keep your mind and your faith going knowing that you didn't do it and you were innocent all along well, my mom gave us the faith that we always had, but it's still an all, you still won't break down. you just can't run from you, want to break down but, you know, you just got to take it one day at a time. you've got to get back up you know, you're going to have a lot of bad days. you will have some good days, but you just got for the best. but it don't come for everybody >> is so inspiring to hear you talk about getting back up and just trying to take it day by day jennifer there were no fingerprints no dna that linked ronald to any of this evidence you say was withheld by police and prosecutors during his trial, how in the world did this happen?
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>> so, what happened in his case is that police, as you mentioned, there were two witnesses who made inconsistent statements but what mr. johnson and his trial attorney never knew is that they also were shown a photo lineup that included mr. johnson. they did not identify him. they identified somebody else and then for reasons we don't know, the police buried that photo lineup and instead went after mr. johnson and none of this would have come to light, had the condition integrity unit of de a crowd snares office not opened up. it's file and taken a look at side to find the hidden evidence. >> what prompted the office to take this case above all else >> well, i for one, mr. johnson, he was diligent. i'm going to his family for over
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three decades. we're just dog it in their efforts to prove his innocence. and so they wrote think conviction, integrity a unit, and they they talked about what the travesty that was his case. and i think that the fact that there was absolutely no evidence of his gilts aside from these two witnesses who were completely unreliable made this the conviction integrity unit think, but there was something that they needed to look into >> i mean, the fact mr. johnson that law enforcement deliberately withheld evidence how does that make you feel in the neighborhood i grew up in they duly and >> every day like you'd be scared, even walked down the street. you know what they going to do back then the 199089 and even going back so you know, you just hope it not
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to and not my when i got locked up, i'm like, no, they came pick take >> can't do this they did you, know, and i'm thinking, okay a time i go to trial date won't get somebody else because i know i didn't do it. you know, and it just don't it don't work like that not a net. nothing. i had 39th district and davies two is true. real bad it's unbelievable to think about that. and just as you are painting that picture thinking every day that someone will get it right or do right by you is unbelievable. and pennsylvania understand jennifer is one of the few states that offers no compensation to individuals who were wrongfully convicted. so what is next? here >> well, next, you know, i think that mr. johnson will have a decision to make about
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pursuing a civil lawsuit against the city and against the officers who i'm hit evidence against and falsified his conviction >> mr. johnson >> i >> really thank you for joining us and letting people hear your story and your journey but i thank you mostly for fighting as long as you did and i'm just so sorry, what you've had to endure and i look forward to meeting one day fully on the other side. thank you thank you >> we'll be right back with what to expect for next week's big solar eclipse that won't happen again for another 20 years. if you >> work in spaceflight, this is the worst possible thing i can ever help >> my dad died doing what he loved to show columbia final
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must get my to you. i have the gear, but the truth is, i do not have the voice of one bonnie tyler. i don't want to have it lower. i'm sorry. >> well, you've got your special voice and i want to hear it right now because now we have to worry about eclipse dangerous what about, >> what are these eclipse dangers that we talk about? well, number one and do not be like our former president do not look directly into the sun because you could get blurred vision if you stare at the sun, it also turns out that there are car crashes. car crashes rise, or with the rise and traveled to the eclipse with so many people potentially going to them and perhaps the most dangerous thing that could happen, slow public wi-fi by what lots of tourists around those spots. so if you're traveling to western new york, such as myself, get ready for slow public wi-fi. you're texting may not go nearly as fast. laura something tells me it's going to be a really big sore spot for you in particular, harrak, how can we be prepped? i mean, you already ready to go? i see the glasses, but how can i be prepped and ready to take on this eclipse? >> how can you be prepped? how
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can our audience be prepped? all right experts best advice on the eclipse. this is actual prep advice. i'm not making this up lore number one. get your eclipse glasses number to plan your eclipse around on the road because these roads could get busy, allow extra travel time if you're going to the eclipse, make sure your car is fully fueled. how about this pack snacks, water, and an emergency kit in case something happens on the side of the road. and of course get proper childcare if you're going to leave your children at home, make sure they have a babysitter or nanny or member of the family to look after them because the eclipse should be a familial experience. >> i got the snacks in the car. does that work? i mean, i take the ones from cnn, little booths and i put them in my car and i hoard the way like a little gos are fantastic. they think that they work i mean, they're already shelled. so let's just that's just that's convenient at this point in time. thank you very much. listen, since you were also are cnn resident myth buster, can you must
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somebody's eclipse myths for us? >> yes, if there are dangers associated with the eclipse, there are also some false beliefs, false dangerous, more than 10% of america eric actually believe this, that solar eclipses cause sleep problems they do not mental health issues, they do not natural disasters. they do not. so there are a lot of myths that are out there, perhaps what's most interesting to me about this law is that somebody actually pulled this and i will tell you it is a reputable pollster that did so. but these are all myths that people believe in. folks don't believe in them. the only thing you should make sure of his get your protection >> i believe in you i do believe i do believe in harryette didn't his glasses. can you see anything out of those by the way? >> you can see absolutely nothing. so when you look up at the sun, it will actually block and i act actually do see the lights in the studio here. it's the one thing i can see through my wonderful iso approved glasses and make sure they're iso approved. laura, we love you so much. don't go toward the light.

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