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the news continues the source of kaitlan. collins st nav great weekend >> breaking news in the source tonight as america is on high alert, bracing for what senior us officials are calling a significant attacked by iran on israeli or american targets in the middle east. both countries now working to find who or what they plan to strike. and when also tonight, aftershocks will be rare earthquake that rattled. new york city shaking the northeast from boston all the way to baltimore prompting millions of people to ask each other. did you just feel that one of the country's foremost quake experts, dr. lucy jones, is our source. tonight. >> and with >> ten days until his first criminal trial it's underway. donald trump is making a last-minute push tonight to get the judge kicked off his hush money case by taking aim at his daughter. yet again i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source

senior us officials are calling it, quote, inept verbal. and tonight the american and israeli governments are both actively preparing for what they say could be a significant attack by iran, revenge for israeli strikes, it took out some of a top and senior moos commanders. the iranian attack, we are told could happen within the next week somewhere in the middle east but right now, we're hearing that neither government knows exactly where when or how or-awn plans to strike. >> what >> we do know is the two governments are working to get in position for whatever is coming their way. our sources are telling us that this potential retaliation was a major topic during that call that happened yesterday between president biden and the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. among the worst-case scenarios here would be a direct strike by iran on israeli soil, but that is exactly what biden officials say that they are bracing for

it tonight. zolan, worst-case scenario because it would rapidly escalate israel's war with iran proxy hamas but the fear is also that it could lead to a much broader conflict across the region, which is something that no one wants to see happen >> let's get straight to the >> source tonight with former defense secretary under former trump, mark esper, who is now a cnn political commentator and secretary esper, it's great to have you because what we're hearing from these sources is that senior us officials and their counterparts believed that this is inevitable. it's not clear where or when, but can you just walk us through what's happening inside the pentagon? what's happening inside a situation room right now as they tried to make these assessments yeah, sure thing. >> caitlin and as >> you mentioned, i think i've had the benefit of gone through this when we struck soleimani on january 3, 2020, and then had to figure out fully expecting that iran would respond how and when they would do that. now, we had very good intelligence about that, but we knew this much and i think if these are principles apply in

this situation is as well, they are going to act, they're going to feel the need to uphold their dignity, to maintain credibility with the proxies throughout the region, and to really meet the demands of hardliners within the acasi that want to see something done but on the other hand, they're not going to want to make this a wider war. they don't want to escalate. they know that a major conflict with israel, let alone israeli and the united states, would be disastrous for iran. so i suspect that they will limit the attack to israel. israeli targets as you mentioned, i don't think i'd be surprised if they attack israel proper. and so the question is, will they look at other sites in the region? maybe there's an outpost somewhere that we're not aware of it could be goes far as maybe they're israeli diplomatic facilities and uae, which is not far from iran, because keep in mind, iran is at least 1,000 miles away from israel. so that's a tough target. dr. they're not going to use aircraft. i that they'd use ballistic missiles, but has

been postured as we're hearing, as maybe your reporting is telling you, they're thinking about some type of drones or cruise missiles, which had the benefit of giving you some degree of unpredictability in terms of how they fly. so they could be used to strike some type of again military maybe on masada outpost, something like that would allow the rhonda to take an eye for an eye because that's the culture we're dealing with. >> well, i mean, one of the first things that my mind went to though when mj lee reported this earlier from the white house is i mean, there's american troops in the region and syria and in iraq what is the likelihood? i mean, what's the concern inside the pentagon that they could be a target >> sure. again, i don't think we would be because i think iran knows that we weren't, weren't involved. and secondly, they would not want to strike the united states because united states would act as a restraint on israel should just start getting out of control. they know biden does not want a larger war but back to the pentagon, look, we would be taking every preparation to make sure that our positions were hardened, we're protecting the troops, were doing

everything defensively. we can to protect our positions. but at the same time quietly moving things forces in place in case we had to respond quickly or two, at least have i'm ready for the president as many options as possible in cases does get out of control and the president wants some type of response. so you'll see a combination of first, defensive moves. again, hardening sheltering protecting the force, our capabilities, but then secondly, also making preparations in case there's some type of responses needed you noted how the pentagon is made quite clear that they were not aware of the strike that. israel was going to conduct. i mean, they've gone out of their way to say that the pentagon or they said the state department said that they communicated that through channels to iran i mean, how much does tehran and listen to that and how much stock do they put an a denial of like that? >> you know, they did. >> there is some reporting that they said something like we asked them not to attack us. we

pleaded not to attack us, which i think the administration described this spin and properly so but i will tell you after again, after the solow many strike and they hit back at us very quietly through the intermediary. intermediaries of the swedish embassy. i think it was or maybe the swiss embassy. they told us they were done. they had no more. they didn't want a bigger flight. so look, i think the communications behind the scenes through the intermediary is pretty clear, pretty frank, and i think that's going to be a conduit going forward over the coming days. >> secretary mark esper, you have a great experience on this that thanks for joining us today with your expertise >> thank you. caitlin. >> and we also have two other excellent sources with us tonight. bob baer, who is the former cia operations officer, who spent more than two decades working in the region and also retired lieutenant general mark hertling, who commanded us army forces in europe and is now a seated military analysts, it's great to have both of you here dental hurtling. let me just start with you because i think a big question here is the options that are on has when it

comes to hitting israel. i mean, the concerns is not just israeli assets, but also american assets. i mean, how limited our rods options or do you it fill their broad here >> i believe they're broad. the caitlin and what the second former secretary austin was talking about, excuse me former secretary esper was talking about with primarily the military strikes within israel what i think is the potential for having me so much wider range. and the military it looks at this from from the most dangerous course of action are the enemy to the most likely course of action of the enemy. i think secretary esper was talking about the most likely, but there are dangerous options here that iranian forces could do. this is a quds force >> there could be the potential of striking in israel at this time after a weekend, we're president biden has scolded prime minister netanyahu tensions are erupting between israel and the us. and there

are the context of your situation. could cause different actions. it would be very difficult if israel got attacked and they are becoming oh pariah on the world stage, especially in the middle east for the united states to immediately come to their aid. and i think iran is weighing that. but as a secretary also said, you're talking about multiple forces. us forces in jordan and iraq and saudi arabia and qatar in the uae. we have forces throughout that area at different basis. and so they are all preparing for any kind of action that might come against them while also preparing to assist in anything that might occur against it. >> bob what would you be looking for at this moment >> the easiest way for a ran to hit israel is using the proxy of hizballah and they have direct control over some of those forces and at any moment they could roll rockets out

solid-fueled and fire them. and israel, you fire enough of them at the same time. you can swarm israeli air defenses, iron dome. you can hit haifa for clearly, you could also hit tel aviv that would be for the uranium one or two drones. i think the israelis could knock down. we also have our forces in iraq, which are subject to pro, or rainy and malicious. they are basis could be hit at anytime the american embassy could be hit at any time it's well protected. but a large force under iran's control could hit us. and as far as terrorism the iranians can hit, hit the israelis anywhere, anywhere in europe, they could even hit them in the united states, there are radians sleeper cells here as we know from salman rushdie there could be brought to bear. so they have a broad options. and as everybody has been talking about, it's the problem of escalation. if we move to

escalation, the iranians certainly would take out the gulf oil facilities infrastructure and they've done this before. they hit ob cake and they would move to that in the case of escalation, they not they don't want to escalate. but i agree that they at this point that they need to respond in order to keep their proxies in line and save their credibility, >> well, general hurtling after the feeling the need to escalate. and you heard secretary is where they're talking about when the soleimani strike happened. there was this fear among experts that there was going to be a serious as then but then you saw a ron respond in a rather limited way for what people were expecting the us did not respond to that. i mean, is that a pathway here or doesn't seem clear from these warnings that something's going to happen i think you have to consider the context of the current situation versus what happened in the strike against their will mean that was a one-off strike. it was a

singular action by the united states against the terrorist or an al-quds target that was in iraq now, we're talking about an ongoing war as month war plus this been going on in iran where the fears of various shia militias within the area all pro iranian. and as bob said, it could come from hamas, hezbollah, it could come from the pmf forces in any number of countries in the middle east. it's just that the context next is different today, there, it's an inflamed golf i spent a lot of time in iraq and i think they're gonna be put between the rock and a hard place in this particular action because they're trying to tamp down the uranium militias inside of iraq right now. they haven't been successful in doing that. but if, if iran strikes inside of it israel or nearby, or causes their proxies to strike, as bob said, this could escalate very quickly and it's been countered of what the biden administration has been attempting to do is to keep this not inflamed into a

regional war. and that could happen very quickly in this situation. i'm very concerned about what we're seeing right now. >> yeah. and bob, on that note, this warning came about kinda suddenly today. i think everyone had been bracing ever since these really strike happened that there could be retaliation, but it was noticeable that this came down suddenly from the administration today saying, yes, they are bracing for this. what kind of intelligence would would lead them? to essentially say, make that warning >> it will, first of all, general hurdling is absolutely right. it's the context is far has been going on for six months. the iranians have been holding back so far. the problem is that we don't know what goes on in the inner circles in iran's, there's no way to know all those discussions are held face-to-face. bass. same way with his balah. we can generally see preparations for a strike on israel but we don't know whether they're going to follow through or not. it just impossible to get in these circles both hizballah,

as i said an array and we just don't know what they're gonna do next in the fact that we haven't got a back-channel message saying don't worry, should worry us. >> baer and general mark hertling great to have you both on as we continue to monitor this developing situation. thank you >> thanks, kevin i had were also followed following this situation here in new york is aftershocks after that rare earthquake in the northeast, it is the strongest >> to rumble of new york city and more than a century and more than two in new jersey, leaving many things and many people shake it plus donald trump's new attempt to oust the judge, overseeing his first criminal trial? yes. again, in this time, just days before that trial set to begin >> i've been touring the world with my music and now i want to focus on what's happening what planet in carbon, cnn films sunday, april 21 at nine >> the day you get your clear

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>> i just screamed everything that had been happening to the quiet, onset an id true crime event stream on macs >> there have now been more than a dozen aftershocks since this morning's historic 4.8 magnitude earthquake originating from new jersey, including one that was a magnitude for just a few hours ago. this morning's quakes and tremors across the northeast that left many people, especially here in new york city, including myself, wondering what just happened. and i know i know our viewers on the west coast watching right now might be rolling their eyes at us, but this doesn't often happen here. so let us have our moment serve quick >> you >> is this earthquake that was basically my reaction this morning's quake was the strongest to hit new jersey and more than 200. years

>> the empire state building was among the first to reassure other new yorkers tweeting, quote, i'm fine. >> this was the view >> from the statue of liberty. you can see here even the shakes listen to the sounds of this baby monitor don't worry that is an empty crib that you were looking at there, but it is just about a mile from the epicenter and you can see just how more, how serious the shakes word there. i should note there have been no reported injuries or serious damage, thankfully, but there was a lot of levity coming with this earthquake today. some people ironically remarking, we survived and we will rebuild welcome news given how unpredictable these events can sometimes be, and no one knows that better than the source on all things earthquakes, dr. lucy jones, a seismologist who worked for the us geological survey for more than three decades and joins me now and it's so great to have you here, dr. jones because this is

not exactly part of the country that is a accustomed to this. and i wonder what stands out to you are foremost expert about what happened here in new jersey and in new york >> a couple of things. one is a reminder that earthquakes really can happen anywhere. you just have them a lot less often if you're in new york and i think the other party is the how the east coast earthquakes are felt over a larger area than the same size earthquake in california. >> because >> the rock where you are is old and cold and hard. >> and >> just like a really hard, dense still bell, it will ring for a long time. here on the west coast were broken up with a lot of falls faults. and so when the earthquake happens in the wave starts traveling out, they get disrupted by all the faults in the way and it doesn't travel nearly as far this earthquake was felt by an extremely large number of people in a much larger area than we would have had here in california okay. >> that's really fascinated because it was kind of something where people in dc,

we're asking if they had felt it in philadelphia, obviously here in new york everyone is talking about it. and the thing is, we've kept its continued. i mean, there have been more than a dozen aftershocks so far, there was one just a few hours ago as we were prepping for the show that was a 4.0 how long do what should we expect these to go on for >> there'll be going on at some level for quite awhile. >> mean we define it >> as an aftershock as long as the rate of birth quakes is above what it was before the main shock app. and the right there was very low. so you could technically be having aftershocks for years. but probably there will be more felt earthquakes within the next few days. and a chances of getting one that's large enough to be felt will go down pretty quickly. >> did you say years >> yeah. there's a rather famous equation to describe how aftershocks dk was developed in 18, 90 in japan and 100 years later, it was still following the same dk patterns. so technically they were still aftershocks okay, we'll be

preparing for that. i'll be sure to make sure where years to come. i did not have that on my calendar when i got up this morning, but when we were looking at the numbers here and this was in this powerful earthquake in jersey, in new jersey. and more than 200 years term, 40 years. >> i mean, you talk >> about how this happens more often than we think you can that it happens in more places than we should be surprised by. but what does this say about how often this could happen going forward >> this shouldn't really change the rate of earthquakes in new jersey. i mean, right at this location will probably be seeing some more aftershocks over the next year or so but over a larger area, it's partly i'll be root, your states are a little small. so defining it by the standard isn't very big area, right? if you look at the northeast, there's been 98 earthquakes in the last 30 years above magnitude three and that rate is probably going to continue so several earthquakes a year above magnitude, three and one out of ten of those is

going to be bigger than magnitude four well, okay. >> you can be you can be read by the size of our states. i'll also be rebuilt our buildings because most of our buildings in new york were built before earthquake provisions were added. i think it was in the mid 90s in new york. and so if this had been worse, you know, i live in a very old house. would what would that have meant for damage that we could have seen here? >> it depends on how much bigger and where, because that thing i said, it travels farther on the east coast, but it's still really right on top of the earthquake that you see the larger shaking. if you took this earthquake and put it in the borough of manhattan, you could have been having damage if you now make it a bit larger, you're almost certainly going to be having something damage. the one thing to be said as having some damage and actually really hurting people are two different things. >> the >> most dangerous type of buildings are what are called unreal enforced masonry. buildings, where they're made out of brick and it's the brick wall that's holding up the roof those unfortunately

are pretty common on the east coast. and you put a strong enough earthquake and you're going to see a lot of problems. >> can i just ask you one last question because a lot of east coast don't know what to do in the event of an earthquake. i don't 57mm alabama, which is also probably brought that but the mayor, eric adams put out some outdated advice today telling people to take cover. in a doorway, which i know is not what you're supposed to do, >> right? we have been able to unify as earthquake community to say the best thing to do is drop cover, hold on, which means get to the floor before the earthquake sends you there you didn't have such strong shaking but make it a bit stronger and it's very difficult to stand. you really can't move in an earthquake without hurting yourself >> so drop to the >> ground before the earthquake puts you there, cover under sturdy furniture, getting under a desk is really liked the best possible thing. even if there's failure in your building, it will protect you from that and it protects you from flying objects then we say, hold on, because a big

enough earthquake that table's not staying in one place. you want to make sure it stays above you. >> where did that doorway thing come from oh, >> it's actually from >> the 1952 kern county earthquake where there was an old adobe or mexican adobe house that hundreds of years old and it made out of mud. so the mud dissolves and the width frame still withstanding the width door frame, lintel and it literally a red cross person saw this went, wow, look at that must be a good place to be and the red cross started recommending standing in doorways, but doorways usually have doors and when they get swinging in an earthquake, that can be a problem. >> dr. lucy jones, great to have you. thank you for joining me >> good to be here. thanks. >> up. next, we are digging into the last-ditch bid by donald trump before his first criminal trial gets underway, testing the boundaries of a newly expanded and then gag order, focusing on the judge's daughter, again, in a new attempt to get him removed from the case next stop

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imprint.com or >> certain >> laura coates live tonight at 11 eastern on cnn as part of donald trump's last-minute attempts to delay his first criminal trial has social media rants are morphing >> into actual court motions tonight four days ago, reminder, he was hit with that gag order for attacking the judge, juan merchan's daughter online. it was expanded to include her. so you can no longer attack her well, now, a new filing from his legal team tries to argue the judge in the hush money case must step aside because his adult daughter, quote, has direct financial interest in the proceedings the, truth is, her business has nothing to do with the trial itself. she consults for democratic candidate, but the

presumptive republican presidential nominee is ten days away from a reality that he has never faced no other former president has ever faced. it's a criminal trial and proceedings that go with it with the threat of possible jail time. i'm joined tonight by a former us district court judge for the southern district of new york, shira shen lin and judge, it's great to have you back on the source here twice in one week, which shows you how many legal pilings we're dealing with. i just wonder what would your response be to emotion like this ten days before you're set to go to trial well, i wouldn't be pleased to get it ten days before, but i had the chance to read the motion and they've put together a >> composite of issues that would cause me a little bit of pause and i can explain all the various things that they've put together. the main focus of this motion, as opposed to the previous one a year ago, which the judge deny is on the daughters line of work as you already said, the daughter does

work with many, many high-profile democratic candidates. she works on their social media. they put out a post, they get contributions. she has owner gets a percentage of those contributions so there is a statute in new york which says a judge must disqualify himself if a person known by the judge be within the sixth degree of relationship and a daughter is the first-degree. has an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding. >> so the >> question here is, is this daughter likely to profit to benefit from the outcome of this proceeding? and you have to understand it's not actual conduct that's worrisome. it's the appearance the appearance to a reasonable person that this judge cannot be fair and impartial, given that relationship ordinarily, i would think that a benefit

financially would be to a spouse because they share the income. this is an independent adult daughter. they don't share income according to this according to this statue according to the statute, the judge must recuse if she would substantially benefit from the outcome. so that's one thing that concern me. but if you add to that a few other facts that are of concern, at least to me, was the judge's original contribution to president biden four years ago, which he made himself very small contribution dollars, right 35, $35 until $35. >> the >> small contribution, but he made it through at blue himself on the internet. >> he >> did give an interview where he said he wouldn't comment on the case, but then he said he's been intensely preparing and he wants to be fair and impartial and justice is important. he had just daughter discussed the former president's use of social media, which the judge condemned in that discussion. and she the daughter reported

on it the office of court administration said the daughters twitter account ended a year ago. so any recent posts on that? we're not from the and i wondered why the office of courtroom inspiration was defending the daughter. so if you put all these together, is my point, it's early enough that may be a reasonable person could have out about impartiality. so i think it's kind of a serious motion. i realized it's ten days before the trial and the own expected to be granted >> okay. so you don't expect it to be granted, but looking through it, this is all information that was available to them before this was one thing and the comment about having an intense schedule, i was confused how that could be construed as him weighing in on saying it's going to be an intensive proceeding, how that how that could be >> right >> not opine in any way on the merits of the case. you're absolutely right >> but being a sitting >> judge, being interviewed at all and saying, i've been

intensely preparing. that's what he said. this is going to be intense and my preparation has been very intense. >> it >> could be construed as commenting. i'm just saying if you put six or seven things in that motion together, i'm not sure that all of them were known. this really digs into the daughters financial stake in this company authentic. and how she earns money from the posts from her work with these candidates. and it explains that she takes a percentage of the take. so when they advertise the arraignment or the indictment and tens of millions come into these candidates around the country. she gets a percentage of that. so it's the appearance that is of concern to me. i'm not saying that the judge did anything wrong we will do anything wrong. and i'm sure he can be fair. but the question is two to the reasonable person on the street, is there an appearance of impropriety? >> well, so >> could there be an appearance of bias? >> we'll see what the judge here decides. judge cherish and linda is always great to have you on so you're tonight. we've former federal prosecutor shan wu shan. what do you make of what you heard

from judge chutkan there? and also this decision now, before judge roshan, that he turned down last year. but as she noted that there it's a little bit lengthier for an argument that they're making about his daughter this time around well, with all due respect to her honore, the only thing i agree with her about is that it's highly unlikely to be granted. it's directed to judge machine again, he's going to turn it down again. and the arguments that they make are very, very weak. i mean, this is the judge's adult daughter, but the way i think about it is imagine that the judge had an element if your kid who had drawn a picture of trump as a clown. and trump's voters saying, look at that, you're going to be biased against me. it's completely irrelevant. the idea that she would benefit from the outcome of the trial if you take a look at that narrowly, makes no sense. the fact that her company may be benefiting from the idea that this is highly publicized trial file where there's a lot of politics going on under political operatives that's totally removed from an interest and the outcome of the

trial, whether trump is convicted or acquitted, has no relationship to her company's work, >> can i ask you a question >> beyond the merits of the argument here? she's now included in the gag order in this filing. her name. the judge's daughter's name is the second sentence in here. how does that overlap or does it not overlap at all if it's an a gag order, they can still make an argument about it in a filing. how does that work? >> i think it's a very clever way of trying to get around the gag order. let's follow a whole bunch of motions that layout. the same things that he would like to post about on social media. but he's a little bit constrained now because of the gag order. so in the filings they can talk about are although i suppose the judge could actually take the extra step of placing those under seal >> shan wu, we're going to watch all of his closely. i have a feeling it will be the last filing we see from the trump team i meanwhile, a presidential candidate not named donald trump is now questioning whether january 6 was a quote, true, insurrection

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wasn't a true insurrection. maybe the most apt line of his statement was this one though. i have not examined the evidence in detail. that much is abundantly clear, given this, the mob of people forcing their way into the capitol. but what about this one police officers finding themselves in hand-to-hand combat? somehow he just happened to miss all of that evidence. >> his >> newest statement is coming after his campaign called the rioters activist yesterday, who had been quote stripped of their constitutional liberties. >> that >> one, they tried to walk back, but i should note none of this is exactly new coming from mr. kennedy what's the worst thing that could happen, right? i mean, we have entire military pentagon a few blocks away. you can rebuild it capital given the fact that kennedy, i should note 13% of americans right now say they would like to be the

next commander in chief >> is pushing these lies. we wanted to take a moment tonight to set the record straight. and his second attempted a cleanup and as many days and in response to a cnn request for comment is already retracting in part of his claim that those same reasonable people tell him protesters carried no weapons. the truth is, folks like guy reffitt are serving time for bringing a gun onto capitol grounds that day or because court documents show that christopher alberts was arrested carrying a loaded pistol and 25 rounds of ammunition there's also marked abraham, an off-duty agent for the dea, who is charged with bringing his service weapon on capitol grounds. that's all before you get to the guy who was arrested with a pistol and a rifle, who showed up too late for the riot. but it talked about killing nancy pelosi or the man who parked the truck with 11 home-made bombs, a handgun, and a rifle, just two blocks away from the capital and all the justice department has said 122 people faced

charges connected with carrying weapons on that day. that includes guns, stun guns, knives, batons, baseball bats flag poles, and chemical sprays. rfk junior statement also claims that none of the rioters had plans to overthrow the government even as more than a dozen members of the oath keepers in the proud boys have been convicted of or already pleaded guilty to sedition and the idea that this is all politically motivated by the biden administration completely ignores the fact that the prosecution's began almost immediately while donald trump was still in office i'm joined tonight by someone who knows all this all too well, or were congressman adam kinzinger, a republican who served on the january 6 congressional committee and is now a cnn senior political commentator. congressman. i mean, part of the statement that i just can't get over, i have not examined the evidence in detail you obviously did examine it in detail. what would you say? hi to him tonight

>> oh, i mean, i could go on for 20 minutes segment on this look, what you named on the people that were found with weapons. there's this idea that somehow the government knows everybody that was carrying weapons anyway the government was unable to arrest everybody that de, are really many people that day because they were fighting for survival of their own lives in the capital. that's why there weren't that many arrest because they had no place to take him to you can't take them into the middle of a war zone. so the vast majority of those people left the capitol grounds and we have no idea who else was armed because it's not like we have x-ray vision and we can go through the tape and see that. >> look >> this is this is one of the more insane ramblings i've heard from him and i've heard some insane ramblings when he says, i haven't looked at the evidence in detail you around politicians a long time. you know how a politician is trying to like skate when they say things like we have to take a deep look at something or we need to have a conversation about it is a way of punting because they don't want to answer. this is his way of pleasing those that want to

hear that he just hasn't looked at the evidence in detail and weekend to the maga folks. here's the thing, caitlin here. he is. he's his >> campaign has been hijacked by maga, maybe not hijack, maybe voluntarily. and so you're going to start seeing more and more of this kind of donald trump conspiracies. and he's either going along with it because that's going to help him raise money and get notoriety. or he truly believes it, regardless he's absolutely wrong. and this is a frightening thing >> well, it also comes the same week that he both campaigns have been worried about him certainly more so, the biden campaign, but it comes after he said that he believed biden was a bigger threat to democracy than donald trump. and when you're looking at what happened on january 6, and exactly what donald trump did or did not do that day. i mean, it just makes those comments seem even richer and hindsight >> look, you can dislike joe biden, but you can't with a straight face, this isn't even on this isn't even i mean,

it's not even subjective. this is like fat. you can't with a straight face say that joe biden's a bigger danger to democracy. joe biden has gone along with democracy as he's president, he's gone along with the rules of democracy he's not tried to overthrow any election results. the other thing he said is, what is it like >> not a true >> insurrection or something along that line, not a real insurrection i looked up the definition of insurrection just before the segment and it's like a violent uprising against an authority or government. what part of a violent uprising against him authority? your government was not a true insurrection, was it not violent? was that, was it not against the government, like it's pretty basic definition. it's absolutely an insurrection and he's just trying to get these maga folks to give them money. they give money to donald trump and they're probably given some money to him. i mean, it's super pac is being run by republicans for god's sake. >> well, what does it say though that there are 13% of americans who right now, who knows, hold a vote once november comes. but i want him

to be president at this moment. >> i think it's basically two quick thing. it's like so either he they just still hear the robert f. kennedy name. and there are some entry or they liked the fact that he's kind of out side of the establishment. i'm not sure that 13% number holds up in the long term though >> congressman adam kinzinger, great to have you on thank you very much. >> of course, >> and on another note is you look at the calendar. it is almost hard to believe that this weekend will mark six months since the october 7 terrorist attack on israel that killed 1,200 people tonight, more than 130 hostages are still being held captive in gaza. and cnn's bianna golodryga traveled to israel in spoke with four hostage families heartbroken, desperate to get their loved ones back, including the 19 of cl2, the mother of 19 year-old, naama levy dr. ayelet levy, shachar didn't get naama back, but she

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astrophysicist and nasa adviser pulse setter and paul. it's great to have you back first off, let me ask, do you have your travel and your hotel all set and i'll booked for this for monday i absolutely do. i would not miss this. >> and how far in advance that you have to book >> just to be sure about a year ago, i actually booked four different hotels along the path because i wasn't exactly sure where i was going to end up and i was able to cancel those hotels as my plans firmed up and i will be in indianapolis for this upcoming eclipse. >> what made you pick indianapolis? >> actually, i will be covering the eclipse live all day long with the weather channel, providing all de, coverage. and so i get to enjoy it and share my joy with the country. it's going to be such an event. >> yeah. make sure you go to say novo steakhouse. it's so good. okay. but there's the one

part of this i was curious. there's one part of this that we are so fascinated by. it's called the purkinje effect. and i'm assuming most people like i didn't before this know what that is. can you just walk us through what it is and why it's going to affect how people are seeing colors in certain ways. on monday when the eclipse is underway >> yes. one of the many cool things about the eclipse is the way it messes with our normal rhythms that are normal physiology. >> in this >> case, the purkinje effect, which is named after a polish scientists who first identified this happens when our eyes switch from primarily bright day mode, which uses the cones in our retina to night mode, which uses the rods and our retina usually that transition takes 30 to 45 minutes as dusk it settles in. >> and >> that's what our eyes are adapted to doing. but during totality it will plunge from a

bright, sunny afternoon to the middle of the night in a matter of minutes. and that's not fast enough for it to catch up. and so we get these like crossed wires and mixed up signals. and what you'll see is that reds will become very, very muted. and blues and greens will pop out of the gray background, it will be a very interesting effect >> oh, what color are you going to be wearing on monday >> you know what? i don't know if i'm going to be looking for this effect because i don't think anything is going to take my eyes off the eclipse itself. >> i was thinking for everyone who is put so much effort into planning, like you have a year-round advance. we've been watching the weather forecast very closely here at cnn. and i know that's going to be cloudy and some of these areas that are in the path to totality. what, what effect will that have or will they still be able? well to have a great

eclipse viewing experience even if it is a little bit overcast >> it's a little bit bittersweet. i was clouded out. i was in nashville for the 2017 eclipse and our location got clouded out with two minutes to spare and you get a lot of the really cool effects. you get the dark tuning of the sky you get to hear the birds and insects come out because they think twilight is here and you definitely sense that something strange is happening in the sky. but if it's cloudy, you don't get to see the fire around the moon. you don't get to see the beauty and just sheer cosmic man i just of totality. so if you are mobile bi, mobile, get to a sunny patch because i guarantee that there is nothing like this that you have ever experienced before in your life. >> pulse that are we all can't way we'll be watching it here in new york. good luck in indianapolis. >> thank you. also so much for joining us and we'll see you