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again, and welcome. it's time to break down the big story duress, florida supreme court surprise is the sunshine state actually winnable for president biden then the x-factor with rfk junior has pulled number is climbing is kinda nice appeal about much more than his anti-vax view and keep a ring on it. the new post-divorce trend that may have you're saying, i don't the paddle is here and ready to go. so sit back, relax let's talk about up first, the two >>ecisions by florida supre court, which have the biden campaign both angry and excited

and the trump ca a b nervous this week, the court decided to uphold the law, triggering a six-week abortion ban. but it allowed abortion rights to be put on the november ballot. the two rulings possibly changing the dynamics of the presidential race i'm running to make roe v. wade the law of the land again, the biden >> campaign, putting abortion front and center, slamming florida's new six-week abortion ban as extreme and outrageous >> donald trump doesn't trust women >> i do, >> but hoping that having abortion rights on the ballot in november could make florida winnable for the first time in 12 years. >> we definitely see florida in play >> abortion rights has proved a winning issue for democrats ever since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade with voters support abortion access in every ballot measure, including in red states like kansas and kentucky okay this year, florida is one of about a

dozen states where voters could weigh in on abortion rights including swing states like arizona and possibly nevada >> abortion >> trump, meanwhile, trying to walk the line between appeasing is pro-life base, but also republicans and independents who believe in a woman's right to choose more and more. >> i'm hearing about 15 weeks. i haven't agreed to any number. i'm going to see here with me today, author and podcast host kara swisher right-hand salam, president of the manhattan >> institute, and contributing writer at the atlantic, new york times journalist and podcast toes lulu garcia-navarro and jim garrett as senior political correspondent at national review, and contributing writer at the washington post. welcome everyone, especially jim khuza'a first timer. yes. i'm excited longtime. you were first time. we've gone, i'm

ready, right? all right. you got to take it down flat now, look, florida used to be a swing-state most famously in the 2000 election between bush and gore. but it's turned increasingly red. trump be biden their four years ago by 371 votes lulu, as a florida native, does abortion on the ballot in november give biden a chance in your home state. >> it doesn't not i think florida has turned into a red-state demographic. shifts have been huge there where i do think it will help democrats as down-ballot. we do see that this issue is actually going to have some legs there. there are a lot of house races. there's a senate race that's close. and so i do think that's going to be but florida is to read it's to read now for biden to have, i think in my personal opinion, it's to read now, but as we said, abortion is gonna be on the ballot on states all across the country. definitely arizona possibly the swing state of nevada >> jim, could >> abortion swing this election

on those other states. so i'm going to say conceivably, maybe that's the wrong word could just rooting for the abortion discussion biden would just need everything to break his way for a state like florida. and when they put together their first list of competitive states, they were the blue wall states, pennsylvania, wisconsin michigan, and then they went arizona, georgia, all the ones you'd kinda i've expect they put north carolina on their list, which struck me as kind of a stretch. my attitude is anything biden didn't win four years ago, it's gonna be a tough pull for him this time. florida really feels like it's a little bit out of reach, but abortion. yeah. >> oh, look, it'll be a >> factor coast to exactly what the democrats wanted for their motivation but on the other hand, i think most people vote on the economy probably immigration is gonna be a big deal. it will be held on abortion. women are very reliable democratic voters. and beyond all that, where we've seen actually abortion make a really big difference is in swing states in those close states were actually getting people out to the polls to vote on that issue will be decisive.

>> the role do think abortion play a big role? >> i think it's spin their quietly all over the place and in every, all these elections, it's mattered. it seems to matter whether it's an alabama, whether it's an ohio in kansas, all kinds of places. it pops up. i think it will pop up in florida and big time. well, interestingly enough, in florida, the supporters of the abortion on rights are saying, we don't want those to be a political issue because we don't want people who may be for trump, but one abortion rights not to vote for this. so what it's gonna be interesting to see how it plays trump incidentally says he's gonna make a statement about abortion this week. to clear up where he stands. but as soon as the florida supreme court put abortion on the ballot, the biden campaign started running an ad in that state to make it clear where donald trump stands. >> for 54 years. they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated. and i did it and i'm proud to have done it >> right hand. >> can >> trump find some way to

thread the needle in the statement he supposedly going to make next week, where on the one hand, he doesn't antagonize his pro-life i've base, but on the other hand, he somehow fuzzers up the issue for people who are pro-choice >> yes, i think he can. and i think that he's somewhat unique in its ability to do that. he has such strong support from evangelical conservative voters who see him as their champion that he is able to be a little bit tactical about but the issue is able to actually moderate his position in ways that other republicans find it very difficult to do. there's another element of this, chris, and it relates to what you were talking about a moment ago with kara. there's a funny way in which these referendums actually decouple the issue from partisanship back in 2020, florida voters voted by 20 percentage points to hike that state's minimum wage. and trump still won. if you look at ohio kansas, kentucky, state after state, you've seen pro choices when referenda was my big margins. but those states continued to vote for

republicans, but that actually could be something that works the sweet spot new say you think that trump is uniquely qualified. what's the sweet spot? >> i think what he's talking about now is using 15 weeks as the pro-life position he's redefining it around that as what he considers more defensible ground. there are going to be plenty of voters who are still opposed to that, who still consider that too restrictive. but he sees that as defensible and i think it's going to be proven right. >> so comfortable in that spot, that's what he actually thinks, which is unusual for him because he swings all over the place. but i think he probably will push for that. i still think it's gonna be a problem with evangelical base. there'll be very disappointed because they keep pressing on >> but >> he definitely has to say something because he's kind of a jam here. >> i don't think he can bamboozle voters. i mean, i think the very idea that somehow trump can pretend that he wasn't the person who was seminal in overturning roe. and that republicans somehow aren't actually pushing for these very extreme anti against abortion rights and freedom of

reproductive tract i don't think there is you know, i just feel like you're saying that he's going to play the mentors of sound debate about whether or not they should be handled by voters and democratically elected >> legislatures versus the supreme court. i think that's what we're seeing play out. and by the way, it's been pretty tough politics. here's the thing. i don't understand. and jim, let me bring you into this i couldn't i would think of 15 weeks, obviously there are a lot of pro-choice women. we're going to say, i don't want any risk direction. i could see that been more acceptable to them. how does that square with the pro-life people who have been talking for decades about life begins at the moment. and sap no exceptions, no rape, incest how suddenly is 15 weeks. okay. so we >> asked earlier about whether trump could find that sweet spot, right? is it could it happen? yes. what i bet on trump doing that? no, because he's generally all over the place when he talks about these kinds of topics, he'll say one thing, one sentence that in a separate interview will be completely contradictory trump can make themselves sound like

whatever he wants. sometimes number my paragraph to paragraph, sentence to sentence. and yet some you think, oh voters will recognize this. largely voters haven't. trump has been missing the sweet spot and all kinds of issues all throughout his whole career, saying things that are incendiary, saying things that are crazy and controversial. and it never really catches up with them, at least not to a point where he's no longer a person who goodwin the president makes trump's so can i just you to briefly running out of time in that segment and for this question, how does the pro-life movement wrap its head around 15 weeks today's say, well, yeah, but trump is our guy and we know he doesn't mean it. >> i'm sorry to say that there are a lot of pro lifers who are really panic right now. and we're trying to find some defensible ground as well. there have been political defeat after political defeat, and they think half a loaf is better than none >> all right, then there's the rfk junior campaign. we all know about his anti-vax views but given as growing appeal is the news media getting it wrong and how we cover the kennedy campaign then the panel tells me why i'm wrong about what

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independent presidential candidate, robert f kennedy jr. is gaining support potentially getting his name on more ballots and spreading a message that seems to be resonating. no matter how unconventional it is >> i can make the argument and biden as a much worse threat to democracy >> independent candidate, robert kennedy jr. attacking job biden doesn't. >> biden is >> the first president in history that has used the federal agencies to censor political speech. the well-known vaccine skeptic, climbing biden's censored him after instagram briefly suspended kennedy and 2021 carsharing debunked claims about the corona virus or vaccine in recent weeks, kennedy's star has steadily risen introducing a running mate, lawyer and multimillionaire, nicole shanahan and robert f. kennedy,

jr. and the healing of america from being to double-digit polling in the presidential race. and after getting on the ballot in utah, now claiming he's got enough signatures to qualify in several keys wings days. i'm going to be on the ballot in every state. if that happens, he could pose a serious threat or both of the two leading candidates are campaign is a spoiler for president biden and for president trump. >> rionda polling has not all at all clear of years, one poll indicates one thing, one indicates another. so let me ask you, who do you think kennedy is more of a threat to trump or biden? >> i'd say right at this moment, he might be hurting biden more longer term. he could hurt trump more. and i think if you're looking at the swing-state surveys right now, there's only one state where it seems like kennedy is making a difference. that's wisconsin and it's making a difference to actually help president biden. so it's very unpredictable. but why >> do you think it's going to

end up being more of a problem for trump than then by this is a big if, but if kennedy winds up running a disciplined campaign over time, big f and if you actually get some >> decent media attention, he could excite a lot of low propensity voters who want an exciting alternative. that is what separates trump from the pack of other mainstream republican in candidates. those low propensity voters who don't trust institutions kennedy scratches that inch from a is certainly trying to make it clear where he thinks kennedy sets on the political spectrum. take a listen he's a very liberal guys, probably the most liberal person in the race, including the green party. so i think he's probably going to hurt biden. i don't see him hurting me. are people are solid lulu, who do you think kennedy threatens more? >> i mean, at the moment both, but i think also long-term, it's probably going to be trump and you see him deliberately making a play for

trump voters. justice week, he's been talking about how january 6 wasn't actually an insurrection. he's really trying to appeal to that side of the demographic the other thing that he's doing, which i think is very smart, is that he's going into podcasts. he's got the biggest following on tiktok of any politician. and so he's really trying to appeal to these voting blocs that perhaps aren't served by the traditional media. >> let's drill down on some of kennedy's positions beyond being an and he vaccine skeptic, which we know about his pro-choice and abortion, takes populous positions like reducing student debt loan, a loan debt, and says the war in ukraine as being fought to advance us interests but most of all he is somebody new is not trump, is not biden what do you think has appeal it as gender? one as we have two exceptionally well-known, one literal incumbent and one quasi-incumbent running. and so he's the fresh face.

ironically, a kennedy and then the second thing kind of struck me as we were just talking about his voice. no professional political consultant would tell a candidate to sound like that. so there's an authenticity there. this is not perfection, this is not blow dried, this is who he really is. the second thing is as this outsider, i think a lot of americans who probably feel like light, their life stink their lives, allows, they've had a lot of you tough, tough breaks in life. and they want somebody to blame. and kennedy is the guy who is outside. he's not of the establishment, is not establishment, right? he's not establishment left began running against clip. he's against everybody. and so i think if you're fed up with everything, the american version, i think being outside as nothing says simple people like can entity, i was just like it's such, i think what he feels so like the bernie bro okay. those guys who moved who didn't quite know where to go, didn't quite want to go to trump and he's a more appealing trump and a lot of ways and i do think he's going to hit trump part because he has those stances and you'll continue to do so and they're also attracted to some of those

liberal ideas to pro choice. and things like that. and he's he's he's interesting and he's not them. and that's >> you know, you made your the crack about kennedy. but the fact is jack kennedy and bobby kennedy rfk junior's father, they both very much worse as champions of the little guy. >> he worked 100 i'm just saying, i don't think he's a populace that he makes out to be. he also though well, he has there's going to be a lot of slime thrown at them because he's got some somewhat of a history and i think that'll enter the picture that might make them appealing to some of those people. because if they, if they hit them hard to really let me just want to follow up with kara given the fact that he is the most popular in terms of this jarring and the polls, third party candidates since ross perot in, 1992, is the media making a mistake and not giving you more coverage? >> i think they should cover them completely and his vice presidential candidate, there's a lot there to cover and they should be treating them seriously. i think he has a lot of bros bros. a good example. but if rostra was around today, he'd appeal to

trump voters minus here's what's really scared very for president biden. it's the fact that even though it does seem like kennedy is hurting trump somewhat, trump is still significantly ahead of biden in the swing states. so i mean, i think it's funny because biden was saying, i don't want third-party candidates in the race. i want to clear one-on-one contest. he might need other folks to jump in here to kind of chip away at trump's. >> it isn't something i'm talking about where kennedy appeals since kennedy has announced that he's not running as a democrat anymore but as an independent, the coverage of him in a lot of right-wing media, including my alma mater fox news, has gone down a lot how do you explain that? >> well, i'm sure that that's related to the fact that he is less interesting to them as someone who was a third, a thorn in the side. >> i'm >> that is not why he's that's not why they're not covering them is they're nervous, they're worried. they see him as a threat to trump. they see him as someone who potentially if they give him airtime, could actually take how it works, the

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vehicles in three separate attacks this is how jose andres, founder of world central kitchen responded >> humanitarians and civilians should never be paying the consequences of war disease. a basic principle of humanity at the time this looks like he's not a war against the resume anymore seems as it's a war against humanity itself. >> now. let me be clear. the deaths of seven aid workers are no more tragic than the dow sub thousands of innocent palestinian men, women, and children but for me this is personal. i've known jose for years, a world-famous chef. he has made it his mission to feed people in need as an act of love two years ago, my daughter, kathryn volunteered at world central kitchen to help feed ukrainian refugees who fled to poland she's the

woman on the far right. and that man in the center, damian sobol who catherine says, was incredibly kai. he is one of the seven world central kitchen workers who was killed this week now i'm no military experts on i know hamas is hiding in a civilian population but there's got to be some way as real can fight this war without killing so many innocence, without killing people like damien sometime over these six months, continuing to fight this war, this way they unacceptable all right. ryan, tell me why i'm wrong. >> the responsibility for civilian deaths lies with hamas. hamas has engaged in an information war against the people of israel. one element of that information patient war is frankly issuing false deeply unreliable information about civilian deaths. and another element of this is that they built an incredibly deep, incredibly extensive network of

tunnels, hundreds of kilometers of tunnels that are very difficult to reach and they deliberately built them underneath hospitals underneath civilian neighborhoods. this is a nearly impossible situation that israel is handling exceedingly well. and we need to continue to support them as they run a genocidal organization >> well, it's not. israel has lost the narrative here. they've lost the high ground that they've lost they lost the high ground and they've lost the story of a terrible attack amid all this. and this story. and you're right, it doesn't seven people dying. compare it to thousands and thousands. and especially children dying. all of them are terrible, but this encapsulates it perfectly. the collagenous the, we made the mistake and everything else and i get your point, but they've completely lost and i hate to agree with donald trump, the pr war here it is now become that in many ways littler with somebody who has reported from the middle east for years. is there

another way to get to right hands point? is there another way that israel could fight hamas without killing so many innocence without pushing a population into famine >> i mean, the problem here is that benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister of israel has two different objectives. one is to defeat hamas and the other is to bring the hostages home. those two things are actually at odds. and so he is caught in a position where he wants to defeat hamas after this terrible attack. but he also needs to bring the hostages home. the people of israel themselves. and you've seen this now in the most recent protests are saying, we don't trust you and we don't believe in you to be able to bring the hostages home. we don't believe that that is your aim anymore. and so what we're seeing right now is a lack of faith in this government and in their execution of the war, not by us pundits, but by the very people of israel themselves. >> i want to bring another partner into this equation. the white house says the president

here's angry and shaken then, and that he told prime minister netanyahu, unless israel changes how it addresses civilian casualties. and the humanitarian crisis, there will be changes in us support for israel. >> jim is >> biden being a hypocrite on the one hand we're hearing how outraged he is. on the other hand, the administration is continuing to funnel funnel weapons of tremendous disruption for weeks or even months. now, the biden white house has wanted people to believe that biden is more opposed to netanyahu. that his policies actually are they let slip that he calls him the a word but he's constantly raging and fuming about it. and critics of israel have a fair point to say, well, when does all that anger turn into actual policy changes? maybe we're going to see it but i have a sneaking suspicion. now there's this confluence of factors of people who want you to believe biden is really opposed to israel biden wants you to do that because he's afraid is going to lose michigan people who are opposed to israel want to look influential, look at us. we've

put pressure on biden and he's coming around to our position. >> and those >> who want jews to vote for republicans want to emphasize this note, by the way, even supportive of israel might appreciate, look, were being abandoned in our hour of need, even by president biden. i want to get back to you do on those cara. >> this >> has been going on for six months? yes. >> tens of thousands of palestinian innocents killed along with more than not just these seven, 200 aid workers. but you continues to send war plans and bombs to israel including 2000 pound bombs, which i read this week can kill people 1,000 feet away. yeah. so how does the white house's supposed concern for the humanitarian situation here square with their continuing to sand. and even this week thousands of bombs and more and more heavy munitions >> speaking of threading needles, it's possible situation for anyone running it and it's, it's on biden for this period. it is. >> it's interesting you saw

trump kinda moving that way this week two in that interview, he did where he wouldn't say he was 100% behind him. i think the narrative is shifting this over to win, is shifting, especially among young people and others about what to do. here, congress you are seeing people who are not on the progressive side who are firmly centrist also now saying that these weapons should actually have some oversight when they're sent to israel, israel as the only country that doesn't have it. the other thing that i'll say as someone who has spent time in gaza, a lot of time in gaza, it is one of the most densely populated places in the world. it is a place where people cannot get out, they cannot move. and you have seen these bombs being dropped on them. people have nowhere to go and so there has to be a different way. this is not only an aerial campaign, you have actual israeli forces inside of gaza, thousands, thousands of them. and so there is a difference way many believed to rayyan final word, just look biden bear some responsibility

by actually urging delay, by urging restraint. you are actually exacerbating the humanitarian situation. the best thing israel and its allies can do is help bring this war to a swift conclusion. and enter rafah and take care of hamas once and for all. that's ultimately going to be best for the people of gaza, for the people of israel, and everyone that debate is going in and the hostages, what's going to happen to them exactly. >> that's a question. we'll talk about during the break. the debate will continue. and unfortunately so what the bloodshot and the carnage next a story everyone seems to be talking about and traveling hundreds of miles to c plus diamonds are forever, isn't just a james bond movie. it's now a trend among divorce sides. >> tomorrow >> new >> interviews with the return israeli hostages. >> what is the meaning of >> being? hostage? reasonable certainty, >> and the fight for the release of those still in captivity. the whole story with anderson cooper tomorrow at

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think about it like this because i think he'd be better at that i don't if this is politically incorrect or not gym, but is there any stigma still about being a blue collar worker as opposed to a white-collar >> worker when i knew we were going to talk about this, i asked my friends people in washington, dc were like yes, absolutely people outside of absolutely. >> what? absolutely. that there is still a stigma that you can make. a lot of money, but it doesn't necessarily have status, it doesn't say have a certain class you're associated with white-collar, et cetera, outside of washington, dc? like no, it's actually totally normal. they know plumbers make a heck of a lot of money, by the way, point about the hundred thousand dollars your colleges, they know than two years, the attendance drops off a cliff because because of population changes and there are fewer incoming 18-year-olds, they know that, they know that they're not able to keep charging this forever, always going to say that's making sure question. i've got i've got some teenagers, some very aware of that cost tuition when i went to college course, we didn't have lights or electricity. then 1,000 dollars a year. wow, lulu according to one let's study the median pay

in new construction hires has been higher than new jobs. and the information sector for four years. so not only are you avoiding the cost of college, you might actually get paid more for this new job. >> i think it's wonderful. i think you have in germany, which is one of the reasons that you had to to great sort of industrial country there. they really put a lot of money into trades. and so you're seeing that here now. and also there's a lot of new jobs in things like wind energy and solar energy that requires specific skills that don't require for your college degree. and so i really do think it's a great thing real quickly. >> ri khan i go further and say, let's have work study program in high school. that's a great way to keep kids motivated, get them earn and get them to build a sense of responsibility that if they do choose to go to college, they use it wisely and well, they have some skin in the game. i think it's a big improvement. >> where was this when i sent all for my children because the battle is backed by their takes on my heart stories are, what will be in the news before

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but let's say may, june, you're gonna be hearing a lot lot of people complaining, but high gas prices probably going back to $4 a gallon easily. maybe that's going to be an economic issue that's gonna be a big political issue if it's true, qarrah, you're focused on tech and temblors? yes. and temblors, there's just obviously this earthquake in new york, but it's the very significant one was in taiwan where 80 to 90 he percent of high-end chips or advanced applications are made by companies like taiwan semiconductor manufacturing we, our country depends on these chips in a very critical way, especially around ai nvidia, apple and everything else. a single vibration can destroy thousands and thousands of them. so it's very important to diversify where they're being made and us investors are putting trillions of dollars to build these new fads, but it's slow and it puts critical innovation at, at risk. and i haven't even brought up the possibility of china invading taiwan. we need to diversify rayyan best shot. >> there's a growing black

backlash against diversity, equity and inclusion programs. recently, the radio megastar, charlemagne tha god, was talking about dei programs as little more than corporate virtue signaling other black voices are saying that these programs are condescending, that they're actually counterpart productive. and actually you're seeing an interesting shift of younger black voters toward the gop, something that president trump, former president trump is looking to capitalize on. it is 2024 presidential campaign. >> so do you think briefly. that the decline of dei is a good thing. >> i do, and i think that you actually see majorities of folks and pretty much every racial group who express a lot of skepticism about using race over meritocratic hiring >> lulu, bring us home this easter weekend, there was a very touching photo of former president trump with two of his >> grandchildren and he's looking if you see there rather svelte. and that caught the

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