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spending part of your day with us. these guys are impossible. we'll see you right back here next week. >> hello, everyone. welcome >> to the alan for our haiti is where we're headed this week six months off to the deadliest attack and its 75 year history is israel, any saint? or any closer to bring its hostages own >> we never imagined that our loved one will still be there. >> then the arab world's on such a jon stewart comedian bus him usa on why it's not what you say, but how you say it. >> i remember my fan from egypt will come to stand comedy show. so disappointing >> he's going to drive an uber in six months from now. >> and from my archive, 30 years since there are wondered genocide, the stain of the world's inaction off to almost 1 million people were exterminated also this our eclipse mania grips north

america, how to best prepare for monday's once in a generation event and finally thank you for the music. mamma mia celebrates 25 years since blast off from london welcome to the program, everyone. i'm christiana, one poor in london. this weekend, mark six months since the single most deadly attack in israel's history royal the region and the world on october 7, 2020 d3, hundreds of hamas fighters poured across the border from gaza, killing 1,200 israelis, mostly civilians, and kidnapping 253 men, women, and children of those 130 is missing. 34 of them are presumed dead since israel responded with its massive war in gaza, more than

33,000 palestinians have been killed and more than 70,000 injured. >> in a >> moment, i'll be speaking to sharon lifshitz, whose mother was one of the first hostages to be released. and whose father is still being held captive. but first cnn's jeremy diamond and nada bashir explain this terrible turning point in a decades-long conflict. >> while christiane, six months after the october 7 attacks shook israeli society to its core and centered on the war footing. there is still considerable uncertainty about that wars future as well as the fate of the hostages were taken captive on that very de, the israeli military now claims to have dismantled 20 of hamas's original 24 battalions in the gaza strip but the israeli military's campaign in gaza is far from over a major offensive in rafah still looms on the surface and it's really troops do not have full control of the gaza strip. six months later, while the israeli military has succeeded in killing the number

three hamas commander in gaza, they have not killed moos of hamas as senior leaders including yahya sinwar. hamas is leader in gaza, who still remains at large and then of course there is the fate of the hostages of the 253 people, the israeli government says, we're taken hostage on october 7 130 of those still remain in gaza. 34 of those have been confirmed dead by the israeli government for the families of those hostages, it has been 183 days of pure agony for them, 183 days of fighting for the return of their loved ones, of trying to pressure every potential government in the world including of course, the israeli government and prime minister netanyahu trying to urge the israeli government to prioritize negotiations. the return of their loved ones over the for in gaza. jeremy diamond, cnn, jerusalem, one over the last six months, gaza has been forced to face the worst of catastrophes.

israel's relentless bombing campaign and ground operations have left much of the strip destroyed, forcing the majority of gaza's 2.2 million strong population into overcrowded shelters in the south. where is it? well, it's threatening to launch a full-scale ground operation. israel says its aim is to destroy hamas, but the death toll has now surpassed a staggering 33,000. most of them civilians and many of them children, few hospitals are still able to provide life-saving care for the wounded those who do survive must live under dire humanitarian situations with diseases spreading rapidly and limited humanitarian supplies getting into the strip with a virtual realities of this war are now being compounded by a worsening hunger crisis. >> the >> un says more than 1 million people are on the brink of total starvation, with experts accusing israel of intentionally starving the palestinian people. humanitarian workers meanwhile, are facing countless obstacles and getting aid into gaza. often at risk to their own lives. on monday, seven aid

workers from world central kitchen were tragically killed by an israeli airstrike now, security concerns have forced the organization and other humanitarian groups to suspend their aid missions, raising fears that gaza could be pushed deeper into famine now the bashir, cnn, london as we said around 130 hostages are still missing and protests demanding the government do more to return them, have rocked the country. you're hovered lifshitz and her husband oded adjust two of the israelis kidnapped on october 7. their home burned to the ground in an unforgettable moments seen around the world, you'll have a big shalom to hamas capta when she became one of the first israelis to be released but six months on her at three-year-old husband's whereabouts remain unknown, and i'm joined now by their daughter, sharon. sharon lifshitz. welcome back to the program it is actually extraordinary that we're

sitting here talking again and its six months. >> yes, it's unbelievable it's a failure what do you mean >> i even i don't need to say who has caused this failure. but if 134 people are still held hostage after six months of war we as a hostage, family have not managed to press upon whoever it is to bring them back home and how important it is. >> do you think that attempt that movement by the hostage families is gaining momentum now, do you think we see, for instance, families storming the part of the knesset? we see these protests that have risen much, much more in recent weeks as the ceasefire and hostage release negotiations seem to be stalled. >> we have fought so hard for six months. we never imagined

that our loved one will still be there for us every day, every moment. we are with them, there, we are underground. we are in the hospital where they align. we are called with them where desperate with them >> we know and i said, your mother fortunately, was one of the first to be released and that was in october shortly after she was taken captive. but you're 83 year-old father oded remains hostage. have you in these six months? heard anything about him, the hostages that came back later told us that he was seen in gaza. he was seen in al-nasser hospital on the first day. and one of the hostages was with him in the same room for a period after that, we have no knowledge of him so we assume he's still out there. we assume his suffering tremendously because it's very, very frail, is 83 is got

medical conditions and what he injured when he was captured, he was injured a bullets that came through the door injured him. he was bitten. he was leaching? yes. and he was lying unconscious outside the house. that's the last my mom saw of him after 63 years of marriage your mother has also said that it's not bombs and an aircraft and tanks that are going to bring back oded, your dad and the others it is a diplomatic solution >> do you have any hope? a, that you government will create some kind of a solution and b, are you scared that this horrendous consistent bombing and we've seen how many how many palestinian civilians are been killed puts your family and others in danger? >> i think they're in danger everyday. obviously, they're in danger from the bombing, but we know and we've seen last week the reports about women being

raped there. we know that they're treated in a really horrible way. many of them and so we are petrified for them every day, in every way, in every way. do you >> think that israel and israelis are still so traumatized that they're not actually seeing the facts that palestinians are not being distinguished in gaza, that they are being bombed and they are being starved and they are being killed. and there are mounting up it's like 33,000 dead including thousands and thousands of children >> you wearing your >> your your hostage. i can just see you wearing your ribbons and things are you expected and can you, and can the others feel their pain as well? and i wonder what you think that will leave as a backlash. >> i think that under october, the pantalone, a swung harder

than i ever imagined possible we in israel, we have very traumatized, were deeply traumatized and i think some people do not see the pain of the other side. i can speak for myself that i demand of myself to see the pain of the other side >> and i >> want to believe in our shared humanity it is very hard to see the pain that others in gaza are suffering and i hope very much that we both end up with leaders that tell us the truth that lead us to a sensible existence on both sides this truth is badly missing. it's missing from gaza, and it's missing from israel. >> we have some beautiful imagery of your father playing the piano and he was a musician and it's a musician. and i just wanted to play it and just

have you reflect on some of the joy that you experienced as a family. we're going to listen to a little bit that's oded. he's somewhere in captivity right now. >> yeah. i hope to trace him. i spent i hope it will come back to us he is a remarkable person he really believed that we should boat write letters to the leaders of the world to tell them how to solve the problem of the world. >> and i hope >> that he knows we love him i'm sure he does >> shroud >> lifshitz. thank you >> and still ahead. saturday's basem yousef on accountability for the crisis in gaza, where he has family and then later in the hour, i had to london's west end we're mamma mia just

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some youssef, the egyptian saturday's, who was forced into exile after years as if mocking his own country's ruling elite. after rebuilding his life and his public image as an american citizen the heart surgeon turned comedian has found a new focus for his increasingly dark sense of humor it's mostly his own story, but he cannot avoid what's happening in gaza where his wife has family i spoke to abbas him here in the london studio this week while he took time out from his stand-up world tour you have family in gaza, your wife's family, your in-laws are there, right? yes. and tell me, can you talk to them >> no. i mean, i've been touring, so it's been difficult. it's been difficult enough for them to be in touch with my wife and her family. but the thing is they have like many families, they're like cousins and uncles and they're all left their houses and ten units and gaza and northern now they are in one apartment, in one building in rafah, sharing it with 25, 25 other families and you know, at any moment we

can hear a bomb drop but it's okay because israel will apologize. i'm sure as they usually do me like i was so happy to listen to their sincere apology for killing the people from central kitchen. oh, my god, like the pain that they have to go through. i mean, even one other spokesman tweeted on twitter is like, see what hamas made me do it is so oh interesting and the thing is, um, what's really for me, what's really interesting is the outrage, the global outcry. how could you do that? israel, but we forget, we forget james miller, a british filmmaker that was also killed by israeli snipers. we forget heartland, which he was also there richie activist who's killed in the head, whether we forget you in a the american palestinian reported it's like every time that hamas did it, uh, we did, with so sorry, is it will be absolutely no accountability. what they didn't get it for the past six months this is what pains me. >> do you not think the tone is

changing given the mounting death toll? >> slightly, >> but it is it is performative performative rage, like the word readers, so enrage about israeli killing the seven workers we talk about that, but i find that there's more rage about killing seven foreign workers more than the rage and palestinians that mean, look, remember when we say that, remember when 33,000 with too much, remember two times palestino's too much. what happened three, tomorrow is 300,000 palestinians kill nobody nobody okay. numbers don't mean anything. do you think that is because they don't look at palestinians as equal human beings. i don't speak about the current events because i can i do my show which is like my personal story. it's still very funny show. please come to the show and you will enjoy it. and it's a kind of a break. it's the only way i can be every good what's happening. i cannot deal with that on daily basis. comedy, i can. >> so tell me about your show then. >> how they show is my own personal story from a heart surgeon turned comedian had to be interrogated for his comedy

for six hours, had to leave the country because of your own country? yes. i found myself in a gun rally. i find myself in two blocks away from a bombing. find myself in the process so we've tried to be an american citizen. so it's a more of a personal story with anybody can relate to this. >> starting over in america, it was terrible because you went from being number one star to a nobody. okay. >> well, yeah. >> i was going into comedy clubs trying to make to make it there. and people not laughing and it's humiliates, you convince you and emulating and it was a journey. it's doing stand-up comedy in your second lieutenant, company in general is difficult doing it in your second language is even added an added pressure. and i tell this everywhere i remember my fans from egypt to come to my stand-up comedy show and they seem as of course, i wasn't good. as they were so disappointed he's going to drive an uber in six months from now is done. >> i've always noticed that your struggle is towards bringing people together. that's what i've noticed and i want to ask you about a project that i read about and i

want to know if it's true. you bought the rights to a book. the book happens to be called the muslim and the ju, it's translated in english. it's written by german author and it tells a story of a group of egyptians and arabs who lived in berlin basically and saved hundreds of jews from the holocaust. yeah, tell me about the story and why you want to do this >> this is a story that i bought the right to a year ago, even for cutover seven and after october 7, i actually bought the life time rights, not just the the option for two years. and it's called the muslim, the jew in germany to translate it to an english book called and dr. hellman. and it talks about dr. hellman and egyptian doctor who lived in berlin under nazi germany. and eight formed and under group of underground network with other arabs and see if 300 jews from the holocaust. and i think it's a great story because the holocaust is a human story, not just the jewish story, and definitely not an israeli story and i think this is a way to show that in the end of the

day, we are people and we have so much in common and we should not use human tragedies were not choose should use excuses of different ethnicities in order to inflict the same pain that was done upon us and other people especially if those people had nothing to do with tragedy. and i want to show that even before the establishment to israel arabs and jews in germany later, life of harmony and cooperation. and they were even closer together. >> then >> the german christians. and their, and their, the holocaust is a very important part of our contemporary history. and we have a role in it blake saving other people's from there. and we're being erased. so as an arab, i want to actually show our story ourselves and put us into the, into the place where we actually have a, say. no place in human history basem usas onto around the uk and coming up on the program from my archive, 30 years since the

rwandan >> genocide, my conversation with the general who tried to warn the world. then later in the hour, science meets spiritualism. as north america gets a front row seat from monday's total solar eclipse seven astronauts setting off on a scientific mission, columbia used in check. >> i didn't know anything concerning it happened. there were people that did though >> the space shuttle accident, it's usually not one thing, it's a series of events you follow the debris. what's it telling you >> should have had that test on day one >> we need to figure out what the hell happened >> spatially that'll columbia the final flight premiers tomorrow at nine on cnn choice hotels is a family of brands with a hotel for any traveler you want to be. like number one shift dad cook it up a free hot breakfast for the entire family at a comfort hotel >> mom made this >> i added the garnish stay

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>> history's lessons can go on learned as we see from the archive, this weekend marks a grim 30 year marker for rwanda and the world. it's one of the darkest chapters in human history because 30 years ago this weekend, a presidential plane was shot down, plunging rwanda into hell ethnic tensions between two warring groups, the hutus and the tutsis would end in bloody genocide. nearly 1 million people were slaughtered in that brutal 100 day rampage. as the world stood by the west inaction would become a stain on human history despite repeated warnings from those on the ground, as i found speaking to the one person who back then did scream bloody murder 1993. >> the >> african nation of rwanda general romeo dilemma was about to take up the most important command of his career leading un troops charged with keeping the peace dilemma is canadian.

the son of a soldier and a military man who says that is first love has always been the army. >> and >> when you were first told and you are going to head the mission in rwanda, how did you feel about that >> an overwhelming excitement >> one year later romeo diller would leave rwandaa broken man. his mission, a failure having watched helplessly as re than 800,00peop perished in e genocide we actually saved hundreds of thousands. nody was rested when he arrived i rwanda. >> the >> mission was to monitor a peace agreement betwn the hutus and the tuis two rring ethnic groups with a long and bloody rivalry, which was now simmering again, the agreement which called for hutus and tutsis to share power was just a facade hutu

extremists within the government with stockpiling weapons general diller was determined to keep the peace. and it was personal for him he had been raised on vivid stories of heroic canadian soldiers who brought hope to europe after the holocaust >> his own >> father, his role model, had been one of those soldiers general diller wanted to honor this legacy >> what >> resources did you think >> you needed at estimatable? 4,500 troops. and i got authority ultimately for 2,600 just 2,600 troops and none from the united states. its taste for foreign intervention had soured >> a few >> months earlier in somalia, two dozen pakistani peacekeepers had been murdered us commandos on the hunt for the killers had their blackhawk

helicopter shot down 18 us soldiers were killed kofi annan was then head of un peacekeeping operations, >> they us troops had been killed and dragged through the streets. and humiliating >> americans were anxious to extricate themselves from strife in africa and the governments were not prepared to take another risk. and go into rwanda >> in january 1994 general dilemma made a chilling discovery an informant warned that hutu government agents were planning for bloodshed, not peace >> they were going to conduct an outright slaughter and elimination of the opposition >> did he tell you that? he was being ordered to practice prepare, train for this? >> absolutely general dilemma. said this cable to un

headquarters in new york, warning that his informant has been ordered to register all to see in kigali. he suspects it is for their extermination the informant described a major weapons cache which general delay are intended to raid. it is our intention to take action within the next 36 hours. coffee annan concerned about the safety of delayers limited un force responded. we cannot agree to the operation contemplated as it clearly goes beyond the mandate. when you got this response back what was your reaction >> i was commanders ever been thinking by surprise, i certainly was taken by surprise. >> did you try to change his mind >> by more faxes of the same nature throughout the rest of january into february and ultimately i got authority >> but it was too late because

hutu extremists were about to begin their brutal extermination of the tutsis and general dilemma would face the test. standing up, not just to the killers, but also to world leaders who turned their backs as the rivers ran with blood several >> years later, kofi >> annan and president lyndon did apologize three decades later, rwanda has risen from the ashes, but the brutally swift 1994 genocide still leaves a dark legacy hanging over the violence in the eastern demo but roddick, republic of congo were fighting has intensified and though rwanda is stable today, the price has been an iron fist rule and no tolerance for any dissent still to come on the show a last scramble to get the best spot as eclipse mania grips north america, science meets spirituality, along with some helpful practical advice. that's when we come back when you get back on the road after

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blocks the face of the sun. >> and now the corona, which is a billion times dimmer, becomes visible. it just appears this is the moment of totality. this is the moment of totality. toe tap already this time is a long totality. it's about twice as long as the 2017 total solar eclipse. oh wow, this is a four minute totality that is nearly 32 million people in the united states from texas to maine live within the path of totality millions more will be traveling to get there. and roughly 450 couples will be getting married during totality at two mass wedding events, a lope at the eclipse in arkansas and ohio. >> we wanted again, we wanted to do something unique, but we didn't necessarily need to be up front and center and it's something that bond everyone who does it that day together for our what is it about an eclipse that makes it kinda romantic? >> there's a story about the sun and the moon and they fell in love. and then when i finally kissed that's when the

solar eclipse happen. >> a cosmic kiss. >> it's similar to what the navajo people have believed for centuries. >> that's a time of rino intimate relation between some and the moon. this is the time when you don't look at them to have intimate relations. so the moon and the sun, some privacy >> yes, they give them time for privacy. >> looking directly at the eclipse, like president trump famously did back in 2017, is not safe without protective glasses, but the navajo people won't even look at it with glasses during the eclipse we have to get back into our dwelling, close the curtains, make it really quiet. >> it's a sign of respect a way of honoring what they view as a sacred alignment between the sun and the moon. and it's something, no matter what you believe, that's been captivating humans for as long as we've been alive, not so much >> what you see, which is

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setting, the show's creator, producer judy kramer explained why audiences just can't get enough of alba judy kramer, welcome to the program >> thank you for having me. it is a >> milestone breakers, so i'll just 25 years, but it's broken all box off records and everything you want to measure it by. will you surprised that it lasted this long? >> of course. i've i'm always surprised at maman there and its success. i mean, no producer sets out with a master plan of 25 years. >> what do you attribute it to? >> i think the magic is not only the music, of course, abbott's music is amazing. it euphoric, but it's the story, it's very much the story. the story of a mother and daughter everything, the characters. >> i >> think people relate to themselves moment there is very relevant. it tells a story of friendship, hope, second chances of love. i mean, it's

got so many foundations and themes and i think that's what sustained it from, what i. read it costs 3 million pounds at the time to put on and it's now grows 4.5 billion worldwide in 25 years. it's a record what about the film you've got two films. you know famously you have the great meryl streep as the lead character donna sheridan, the mother, when it came to casting, the movie feathered, alloyed, the director and myself bluff the idea of meryl streep so we can that was our dream together maryland, it happened that merrill had seen my mere on broadway in 2001 soon after dreadful nine, 11 and she loved it and she'd written a note to the costs of the broadway company saying how much she loved it and her dream was to

go on the stage of mohammad much the imbalance i summon to their children. she said. >> and so when we approached her about the film, she was like, yeah, i am donna sherida n >> no that she can let's say you just got a great voice. >> yeah. we knew she could say, i mean you're never going to ask meryl streep to audition as we didn't ask the lese and we didn't. but we had heard the chiefs things at the end of postcards from the edge beautifully and we knew she'd always wanted to sing. she'd said so in interviews, really know how well she could saying unless you had to sustain nine songs, i think she she had and yeah, but we didn't audition. but though there was a moment when benny went to a rehearsal room in new york to play the

piano, to check keys. and yeah, he gave her an a i think he gave her an a i think he was she was she was daunted. he was really daunted, but it was an incredible menn share must have been daunting to try to get her for the second film. >> here, we definitely didn't have a tradition her we definitely could hear that voice in our head. >> some. people throughout the years, the critics have been very dismissive about aba oh, it's just pop it's just happy, clappy, but actually the lyrics of very, very profound when you actually listen to them, particularly in this kind of setting of the musical as a story. >> yeah, i think they are. i mean, that was the attraction to me and the song's was that they fell into two generations. there were the younger, happier songs and the songs we'll dance dancing queen, but the big emotional songs when it takes to knowing me, knowing you,

also, i think beyond wrote those songs with a stream of female consciousness. he wrote them for ag, natural and frida to saying they were married to them and they were marriage them beyond as my check, neta many to reader and you feel that in the woman's psyche singing those songs songs are incredible >> took a chance could there be a third film? >> i hope so. >> working on it definitely >> they say no, i say yes. we're all getting older. we've got to get on with it. well, thank you very much, >> judy kramer really an amazing anniversary in a great amount of joy and beauty you bring to the world on this fake greek island. >> yeah, i'll we're in the mothership, we other we are, um, yeah. thank you. >> as for aber itself, it's 50

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this week show with a milestone birthday. jane goodall, the world's foremost expert on chimpanzees, turn 90. this week, her pioneering research in the 1960s in a male dominated field, revolution shania is primatology after she documented chimps making and using tools in the wild. here's the secret of her naturalist approach >> you are the one who discovered this when you think about that now, all these decades later how does it make you feel >> well and it makes me feel how arrogant science was to maintain that we were the only are they told me when i went to cambridge to get a degree that only humans have personality, only humans have mine capable of problem-solving only humans have emotions. how arrogant of us. i'd loved animals all my life. i had an amazing, supportive mother and i had a

great teacher when i was a child who taught me absolutely these professors at cambridge may be very knowledgeable and learn it and erudite. but this teacher taught me that when it comes to animal personality mind that emotion, they're wrong. and that was my dog. >> her dog called rusty now, she is of course, an active environmentalist and two celebrate her inspirational legacy, 90 female photographers are collaborating on a project called the naturof hope. 90 prints in honor of jane goodall with 60% of all the proceeds jane gooll ititute. and you n watch my fl conversation with jane along with all those interviews at amanpour.com and don't forget all of our shows are available as podcast cnn.com slash podcast and on all other major platforms. i'm christiane amanpour in london. thank you for watching and see