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healthy urinary tract with you, cora, i can having utis for ten years at you, cora, we make uti relief products we also make proactive urinary tract health product. you korea is a life stage right today at you cora.com >> tonight on three 60, there's breaking news and exclusive interview with arizona's democratic governor after the state's highest court reinstituted and your total abortion ban and that's more than a century old. more breaking news and i, the former president loses a key battle in his classified documents case. why the fight over revealing the names of potential witnesses is such an important winning in for the special counsel. and later new bodycam video reveals what happened during a fatal encounter between chicago police officers and a 26 year-old man during a traffic stop. good evening. we start with the breaking news and the fallout from the arizona supreme court decision that has even some top republicans in a state that could decide both the presidency and the senate saying it goes too far. the ruling scraps of 15 week limitation on abortion in the state and re-instituted a civil war era near total ban there was enacted before arizona was

a state and before as vice president harris and others pointed out today, women had the right to vote in the the four to decision is a direct result. obviously, of the us supreme court overturning roe v. wade. that of course provided federal protections for abortion with those ghana's now up to individual states to decide their own laws, which is here's what the arizona court did today. and it's something the former president just yesterday said he wasn't supportive >> my view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint the states will determine by vote or legislation, or perhaps both and whatever they decide must be the law of the land in this case the law of the state. many states will be different. many will have a different number of weeks or some will have more conservative than others. and that's what they will be at the end of the day, this is all about the will of the people in arizona, the implications for women are obviously massive. the law, if it survives,

potential challenges with plays arizona alongside states like texas and alabama, as having some of the strictest anti-abortion laws of the country for abortion providers in violation of the law, if it goes into effect, it means a possible jail sentence of two to five years and finds those just some of the practical implications. there are obvious political implications as well or zone as a swing state, abortion is a major issue animating the race there and just about everywhere in the country just listen to what some undecided female voters in arizona told are randi kaye when she talked to them a few weeks ago before this new decision >> i don't know why the hell women's reproductive rights or even a political converse amen, model. i could converse at, i look at the end of the day we have to do, you know, potential presidents like you have no business up in my body exactly. >> it's not only reproductive rights there now's talking about ivf. what is next? >> i do not >> want anyone a government

official who is a non-doctors, not part of my medical team telling me what i can and cannot do hello to my body or what is right for my body, how important our reproductive rights and freedoms to you in terms of choosing a candidate that's my top issue for all of you i think it's definitely on the top one or two and the timelines coming up where me and my husband wanted to start trying and i'm scared for when i start trying and something happens and if that and i have to make that choice left neither to die or like doctors will go to jail. >> yeah. yeah. >> it may be weeks or longer before the log law goes into effect. the political fallout began immediately. vice president harris posted a video statement on social media calling on congress to restore the protections under roe. she also said she traveled arizona on friday to address issues surrounding reproductive rights kari lake, the republican election denier, who lost a gubernatorial race there seems to have done a one at she'd

once praised in your total ban, that's now law today. she's now running for senate in the state. she said she opposed it and said that arizona's governor katie hobbs and the state legislature should come up with a quote, common sense solution. arizona governor katie hobbs joins us now for her first interview since the decision given a hobbes, i appreciate you being with us. what you surprised by the decision today and what's your message to women in arizona tonight? >> well, arizonans across the state are reeling from this decision that reinstates the most or carnian ban in the country. this is a ban that as you said, was passed in 18, 64 before we are state before women had the right to vote and it is a near-total ban with no exceptions for rape or incest. it requires prison time for doctors and there's just right now, a lot of confusion about what is the current state who has access to what and it is.

>> this is >> very harmful decision for arizonans. >> i want to talk about what the legislature may do, but before that, i mean, can you clarify right now, when assuming there's no action by the legislature when this law would be enforceable because while the state supreme courts stayed its ruling pending further arguments, so lower court, the majority opinion as and i quote, physicians are now on notice that all abortions except those necessary to save a woman's life are illegal. so what is the timeline here >> as you can imagine, there's still a lot of folks trying to figure this out. we think it's 45 days, but certainly don't want to say that and make people think that they won't be penalized for something that happens before that. we just start sure. and we need clarity >> what do you think? do you think the legislature was that will act. i mean, republicans control both houses in arizona well, i've been calling on the legislature to repeal this archaic ban from day one of my

administration, i renewed that call >> at the beginning of this legislative session. the fact is that some of the republicans right now who are saying that this decision went too far are the same politician it's who celebrated the dobbs decision, which paved the way for this court ruling today. and the speaker of the house and the senate president, both weighed in. in this case with amicus brief urging the court to do exactly what it did today. >> so you in your attorney general, i know i've taken steps to try to prevent county district attorney's from prosecuting anyone under this law i mean, do you expect county officials are going to try to take you to court over that. what would happen in the meantime? >> well, today, there hasn't been any test of that executive order which i am firmly believe is legally sound. and it just prevents an extreme county attorney from using this ban to criminalize women and doctors

for seeking the qarrah, providing the care that their patients need. and would provide consolidation with the attorney general. it hasn't been tested yet. and i am hopeful that it doesn't have to be because this ban this extreme ban is going to prevent people from getting care that they need. >> you said, people across the strait are outraged about this and there's certainly a lot of outrage for you just named a couple of people who are actually for this. what do you say to those in arizona in your state who believe this is a good idea? >> look, arizonans are going to be able to weigh in on this and enshrine abortion in our state's constitution in november and i am confident that when given the opportunity, they will vote to protect abortion access. >> do you think that we'll get on the ballot for this election >> are well on their way there. they have surpassed the number

of signatures needed and they still have months to continue collecting. and this is a common sense measure that is supported by the vast majority of arizonans in terms of protecting access and certainly it's going to motivate voters in november i'm concerned about people's care between now and november, and i'm going to do everything in my power to ensure that arizonans can get the care that they need. but these extreme politicians are absolutely out of touch with what arizona antwan and not only will arizonans have the chance to weigh in on this ballot measure, but they'll also have a chance to elect new legislators who will fight to protect their freedoms instead of taking them away, as you know, the former president former president trump's campaign said, tonight and i quote, president trump could not have been more clear. these are decisions that's where people in each state to make. what do you say to that >> well, it is really unconscionable that folks in arizona now are going to have to go to nevada california, new

mexico, or colorado to get the care that they need. and i'm glad there's organizations that are going to be helping them do that. but people across the country americans should not have unequal access to their freedoms. and we need to work to restore those in arizona. >> do you think they're gonna be moos against ivf now in the state absolutely. >> these extreme legislators sent a fetal personhood bill to my desk that i was able to veto last year. this is a bill that would have paved the way for an alabama style ruling that would ban ivf in arizona. they're going after contraception. this doesn't stop at abortion. >> arizona governor katie hobbs, i appreciate your time. thank you >> thank you. so now by magna habe room and senior political correspondent the new york times and frank lunch, a republican pollster and communication strategies. so magazine we mentioned the foreign presence campaign said the position is that should be up to the state's. does he think he clearly thought he

could kind of leave it at yesterday, avoid maybe taking a position on your total bands like arizona's that does not include exceptions for rape and incest anderson, i think that he and his aides thought that he was going to have more than a day of buying time with that statement yesterday, >> a statement that was not clarifying i mean, it was it was saying that it should or will be left up to the states. he didn't address where he is on a federal ban or if he would sign if federal ban of such a thing were to pass. however i'm steve, the odds are in washington if he were president and so now he's going to have to address this ban. the argument from democrats and the biden campaign it is by saying that it's up to all states to pick what they want to do. trump has endorsed all bands and this this news out of arizona is really going to test that as far as i know, he has not commented yet. there are a lot of people eagerly waiting to hear what he has to say. >> how do you think this plays out from in terms of politics, that's the worst issue for the

republicans right now. to have a double-digit lead on inflation, a double-digit lead on immigration if they're talking about abortion, democrats have 15 to 20% advantage. so for trump, talking about this, engaging in any of the details is a negative same thing for the republicans and if you notice the governor, i pay attention to words and she talked extreme extreme. she must have said it half a dozen times. that's gonna be the narrative over the next seven months that this is an extreme position which it is but they're trying to use abortion as a way to communicate the republican party as being outside the mainstream it's a good democratic issue and that, that messaging, that language, do you think that's effective for democrats? >> it's effective for democrats. it's less effective for independence. but in the end, the independence in swing voters they're looking for economic issues, they're looking for quality of life issues young women, this is the number one issue for young women. their right to choose trump's sorry for the language

it trump's every other issue so in terms of get-out-the-vote , in terms of winning in these closed states abortion could do for the democrats exactly what it did in 2022 republicans were expecting a 2025 see gain. they didn't get it because young women voted on abortion back then, and they're going to do the same now. >> meghan, former president has repeatedly told allies in the past that he believes abortion is equipped political loser. i mean to frank point if republicans were talking about it, it's, they're losing. do you have a sense of how worried they are tonight about arizona? >> this is something that is certainly on their minds about how to deal with it. i mean, i will note that the one out that trump may take is that he stressed in his video he owned, he has said this in private discussions with people and public discourse, public commentary. his focus on exceptions in terms of rape, incest, and life of the mother. and this bill new law would have no exceptions and that

might be an off-ramp that he takes, but regardless, i mean, yes, trump said and we at the times broke this the trump was saying people when the likely dobbs decision was impending, that this was going to be bad for republicans. he has recognized that the politics of this are bad for republicans. he has also then gone mountain, said that he proudly helped overturn roe v. wade. and so it's a little hard to have it both ways, but he is trying to have it always and he often does. he tries to leave all well options open and avoid being pin down. this is on a significant issue that a lot of women are very, very animated by looking as if you're trying to avoid paying anything. i don't think is going to be a sustainable position for him. >> he would freak. how does the trump campaign avoid talking about this issue by going back to the border? now going back to prices, and he's good at that the public. is deeply concerned about affordability and i'm not ducking your question i'm actually emphasizing affordability matters to every family

immigration because of the results of what's happened at the border matters to everyone abortion is a hardcore issue for younger women, a little bit less so for younger men and the older that you get, it's still important, but it's not voted driven issue with as these other ones are in mega me to trump is elected in november. do you think he would change the positions support a federal abortion ban? i mean, i guess there's i mean, of course he's certainly open to changing its position >> all right >> anderson, i think that's i think that's the point and i think that's what you will hear democrats say and point to a that trump has been in several different places on abortion. he he does have credibility with ev angelico was because of what he did in terms of appointing conservative justices to the supreme court. and throughout the federal courts those justices on the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, that was something trump said in 2016 and he was going to do that did happen. and so trump believes that he has enough credibility to not

really take a stand here. but trump has historically reverted on the issue to turning the issue of for too conservative activists who are against abortion. and so i don't think anyone should assume that they have any idea what he would do on this as president >> he also you had you've angelico, former vice president pence, coming out saying this was a slap in the face yesterday when he said that, do you think that actually matters at this stage, the trump campaign, i mean, is that is that where were they going to go if they don't vote for trump, he's got the evangelical, no matter what happens in his life he's proven that evangelicals will stand behind him no matter what happens in his life, he's proven that it can economic conservatives can trust them and economic issues, social conservatives. but in the end, it's that center it's the 5% who haven't made up their minds. they tend to be younger rather than older. they tend to be a little less educated, less likely to follow the news and for these people and issue like

abortion matters a little bit more than the population overall. that's what i'm focused on, undecided voters. and this is going to play big time among younger women and clients. >> thanks so much. megan haberman as well coming up next breaking news and the former president classified documents case, where the judge is saying tonight about the potential witnesses in that case and the former president trying again to delay his historic criminal trial in manhattan with just six days until it starts. i'll talk it over with cnn's kara scannell, who was in the courtroom today, as well as our legal team. and then later at michigan judge has sentenced the parents of a high school shooter who killed four students. details on their precedent-setting punishments after being convicted of involuntary manslaughter. and also the emotional victim impact statements read by the families i met with the turbotax expert because i had two full-time jobs, lawyering and let count on me, mia. >> i'll file your taxes for you with 100% accuracy guaranteed. lead to turbotax

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key witnesses jack smith special counsel, had argued that they should be protected because they could be subject to intimidation and threats, which of course we've seen in some cases associated with the former president and so she had previously indicated that she was inclined to let those names be be put in public records in some of the filings by the trump team, which of course would cause problems for them. but one of the part of the story here, anderson, is the continued back-and-forth sharp back-and-forth between jack smith and the judge you and i call it talked about it last tweak and i said, you know, it's getting done right. saskya and you see some of that today in this filing where she said that some of the arguments that they made, they should have made from the beginning, not belatedly. >> did judge kenneth leave room for release of witness names in the future? >> she did. she said for now, these names will be will be redacted in any filings that are made. she did say that the

special counsel seems to want to make this a long-term thing she she allowed for her change her mind later on >> does this impact any records in the case becoming public? >> well, she also ruled that more records in the case are going to be made public, but if any of those records implicate the names or might identify some of these witnesses, then she's asking for that information to be redacted. so in both cases he says that jack smith got some of what he was asking for which is to protect the names, the trump team got some of what they wanted, which is for more of these records to be made public. jw anderson have impressed. thanks. so much. now to the former president's hush money criminal case here in new york today, he was rejected yet again, in another attempt to delay the case. that's set to start on monday with jury selection. this time the decision came from an appeals court judge just minutes after hearing arguments joining me now are former federal prosecutors, jennifer rodgers and timmy aganga-williams he was also senior investigative

counsel for the house select january 6 committee. also seen as kara scannell, who was in the courtroom today. so what more happened in the appeals court today? karen? >> yes. so this is times the latest attempt to try to stop this trial before it starts today, they were in their asking an appellate judge to hold the trial to stop it so they could challenge the gag order that was put in place restricting trump statements. and there were brief arguments on this. it was quickly denied. but this is just one of a fluorine filings that we're seeing both at the trial court level and at the appellate level to try to stop this case. there are three court days left before this is over and before the trial starts. and i think we could possibly see more, but even this is not technically over because they will file briefs for an appellate court panel to consider this. those briefs are due on monday, which is the start of this trial. decision is expected to follow. it still along but for him to stop this case right now. i mean, to me die one of the >> arguments the trump team is making is that will new york, the jury pool is likely to be

more likely to be liberal, perhaps and not like trump does that argument hold any water? would that mean that any politician on trial could only be tried in a district where he was popular. >> yeah. i mean, you get to have a jury of your peers and the president is famously from new york. and what the jury process is about is about gleaning who is going to be fair and impartial in the process? it's not about getting the jurors that you only want. it's about having the opportunity to ask them questions to really inquire whether they could be fair and impartial to both parties, both the government and a defendant have a right to a fair trial. he's going to have the opportunity here. the judge will ask questions. council, to have the opportunity to ask questions. and these very issues about political affiliation preconceptions about the former president, all of that is going to have an opportunity to come out and then it will have the opportunity to do what people do and every trial, which is a struck jurors, i mean, every lawyer who's been to trial before is engaged in that process. you're trying to

understand what are people's preconceived notions about your positions. and then you test those. and if you don't feel confident they're going to support you and your ultimate arguments. you have those jury struck, so we have that chance. >> and jennifer, i mean, we saw the jury some of the questions are going to be asked to the jury. do you think it's gonna be i mean, do you think it's gonna be a lengthy process finding jury? >> i think it will because there's so many people involved. i mean, they're going to call hundreds of people. these there's so many people who are gonna say they feel strongly about trump, either against him or for him, and the judge has already said that all people who say i have a conflict or i just can't be fair and impartial are going to automatically be excused. but i think it's going to take them a long time to get through all of these hundreds of people, even with a streamline process which includes a questionnaire and not going one by one through all the people who say that they, they have specifically about the gag order. what did the his legal team take issue with? >> so they said they wanted to narrow it in three different ways. they said that they thought trump should be able to talk about michael cohen and stormy daniels, two key witnesses for the prosecution

because they said that they are continuing to talk about the case. they want him to have the ability to respond. they also said that they think trump should be able to talk about publicly filed motions in this case. one of them is about vr accusing the judge and that motion which had the details about the work his daughter was has done for democratic organization came the day after the gag order was put in place. so he's trying to get around the gaggle what are that way by saying, let me talk about this motion and then also he wants to talk about one of the prosecutors on the case who for a brief period of time worked at the department of justice as part of his line that this is a biden prosecution, even though the district attorney, alvin bragg is entirely separate from the department of justice, and it's not taking direction from joe biden so he wants to loosen the gag order and that way the prosecutor said no, that this gag order is already narrowly tailored and they said that they're already having challenges with some witnesses who don't want to testify, even just about record keeping in the case because of the fear of what trump could possibly say against them and what his followers could possibly then react with jan one of the one

of the foreign presence attorneys made the argument that the sum of the form prison statements about the case may be rude, but they didn't >> rise the level of incitement yeah, that's the understatement of the year, right. i mean, they don't have to rise to the level of incitement they are they are intimidating. they are threatening, they are as carriages said, making people not want to participate in the trial. and the judge has an obligation to protect the integrity of those proceedings. and so this gag order, which by the way, very similar language was up held by the dc circuit federal court of appeals when it was put in place by judge chutkan and the other the federal election subversion case. so there's really strong ground to stand on to say that this was a constitutional order. and i think it will stand up until the die on the judge cannon decision about keeping the jury for now, the names of from becoming public, but least at this juncture. what do you make of that? i think there's been a >> confrontation between the department of justice and judge cannon that has been building and the question of whether you had is an understatement, but i

think you saw her back down and try to save face here. i mean, she really said she's suggested that jack smith, it introduced new evidence that you could consider and i think what's happened here is that he told what the law was and she had no choice but to agree with them. but i think it's just the beginning and we're likely to the confrontation which is going to have to be decided by the leopard circuit, which is the appellate court that oversees judge cannon and remain the future. see an attempt by jack smith to have her removed. >> she can be removed. >> i think if she makes if she continues on the path which she has to think as ad some undefendable decisions as she's made. and i think if she does that again, i do think we'll see that possibility going forward. >> fascinating, appreciative, everyone. thank you. just ahead. emotional impact statements today in the historic sentencing and the parents of a michigan school shooter, are you going to hear them? and i'll talk to the lead prosecutor on the case that's next >> always dry scope before you run hot dog died, got meats

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sentenced to at least a decade in prison. james and jennifer crumbley's son killed four students, then 2021 shooting. and they became the first parents to be held criminally familiar for a mass shooting committed by their child. she an engineer because ours has it is the sense of this court must crumbley that you serve ten to 15 years as to defendant james crumbley is a sense of this court that you serve ten to 15 years historic sentences handed down for the parents of a teen who killed four students at a michigan high school in 2021. >> that is a goal of sentencing to act as a deterrent. these convictions are not about poor parenting these convictions confirm repeated acts or lack of x that could have halted an oncoming room when we're train james and jennifer crumbley were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in separate trials earlier this year. the first time parents have a mass school shooter have

been held directly accountable for an attack on november 30, 2021 >> their >> son killed madison baldwin tate, mere justin shilling, hana st. juliana at oxford high school, using a gan gifted to him by jennifer and her husband >> of our children because in your hands >> family of the victims gave statements ahead of the sentencing? >> when you worried about what people thought of human feeling threatened >> i was learning >> your son, threaten my daughter and feel fatally shot while you were hiding? >> i was >> planning her funeral >> and why you were >> running away from your son and your responsibilities? >> i was forced to do the >> worst possible thing, apparent good. do i was forced as they go by the way, matt, is it the older sister of 14 year-old victim, hana st. juliana says, no punishment

will ever be enough. >> i now have to live with that hana, my little sister, my best friend, my other half to me that makes a maximum sentence being 15 years to shore honda even have 15 years there's to live out. >> his merger has destroyed large portion of my group. >> both crumbleys spoke up on their own behalf james crumbley for the first time since his trial began to the victim's families standard day not to ask for your forgiveness as i know, it may be beyond breach, but to express my sincerest apologies for the pain that has been caused, i will be in my own internal prison for the rest of my life. >> i >> really wanted to >> families to know how truly truly sorry i am and i'll continue to feel his pain for the rest of my life as well >> if i

>> could go back and change things if i could go back and do things the differently. and maybe none of us would be here today because are showing us now are the crumbleys likely to appeal? i mean, could this be their sentence reduced? >> absolutely. they're going to appeal >> we don't know >> how it will turn out, but you know, there are a lot of texts in this trial in a text is one moment of time, right? don't know what happens before you don't know what happens after there were text by ethan in this trial, this shooter in this trial and where he texted his friend and he said, you know, i asked my dad for mental health and he laughed at me. he told me to suck it up and take a pill. >> well the crumbleys could not counteract that. there was nothing they wanted ethan to come in that courtroom to testify so we could see what ethan had to say about all of that. and he had a fifth amendment privilege that is attorneys way for him did not waive saying that they are going to appeal his sentence. furthermore, the medical records because he told us psychiatrists so he actually lied. he didn't ask his parents

ever for any help those medical records are privileged also, so they couldn't come in. so you saw one side, there was no way to counter it by james and jennifer crumbley will see when an appellate court says about that i think because our thanks very much for joining me now is the lead prosecutor on the case, oakland county, michigan prosecutor. karen mcdonald. i'm as mcdonald, i appreciate your time. you heard in genes report a sister of one of the victims on essentially anna says that the ten to 15 years sentence for the crumbleys feels too short because hana, or sister didn't even live to be 15 are you satisfied with the sentences you got >> you know satisfaction isn't really a feeling that i think anyone has just watching your story. it's i haven't actually watched it since we were in court today and it is so jarring and moving and i think nothing will bring back these kids. but the shear enormous

impact that their gross negligence had these families is just it was palpable. and if i could anderson, i would like to just address just the previous statements. it is not to be true that the shooter said a psychiatrist said he lied that that was taken completely out of context and we heard that even today, which was a surprise that we'd be arguing facts after we've had to jury trials. >> but the >> shooter being called as a witness and a psychiatrists actually would be damaging testimony for both parents so the text messages sent his friends or do you worry about what might happen on an appeal? are you confident >> i do not? because the we we were we took painstaking efforts and so did this, judge, to make sure that jennifer and james crumbley they had a fair trial and the evidence that we

start to admit, by the way, much much much of it was deemed excluded, was went through the rigueur of an evidentiary analysis by the court and real argument and analysis by each side but it it is not true that he told his psychiatrist that he lied about that. that's taken out of context and it's frustrating for us because all of this came out in the miller hearing, which is a separate proceeding, and we never sought to keep any of that information, but it's not ours to give. he does have a right, a fifth amendment right, and we couldn't give that. but it's just all of the evidence came out about what he actually told us and what his testimony would be. and that's it's not favorable to jennifer james. >> i appreciate the clarification. what i mean, one of the important things that i mean, i'm not gonna say anything good can come out of this. but one of the important things perhaps they can come out of this is a message that could be sent to parents

everywhere, not just in michigan, but around the country about responsibility >> and >> what do you hope that messages that's received by parent? >> i don't think the majority of people in this country and parents, you're a parent. i'm a parent. need to have that message. i think the facts in this case are so agreed i am absolutely not do not promote the idea that we should criminalize bad parenting. i absolutely don't stand for the proposition that we should always find out where the parent's role was and every criminal act, even if it's with a gun. but when you're presented with evidence like this and you ask the question like all of us did, where did the minor get the hands his hands on his gun, and, you those answers lead to social media posts boasting about it. they lead to a lot of signs that there were some trouble and ignoring that. and then in addition, providing this deadly

weapon four days before the shooting, giving him access to the weapon and the ammunition at securing it. and then when called to the school given this worksheet where he writes, helped me, the world is dead blood everywhere and asked to get him some counseling either that day or within 48 hours, and they say nothing about this gun. they were just i think the judges comments really stress that she sat through two very long detailed trials and her comments in sentencing really reflected a knowledge of the evidence and look, i i hope that what comes out of this is more questions about where the weapon comes from, more attention to access to weapons. but i want to be really clear. this prosecution does not really change the fact that the

number one cause of death for children this country is gun violence and we have to address it in a comprehensive public health way. i started and we're releasing recommendations on commission to address gun violence and it goes way of stream to talk about way before somebody puts their hand on a gun how can we prevent these tragedies and the good news is there's a lot of ways that we can prevent this. we just have to educate the public and provide that for them. >> karen mcdonald. i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you >> just ahead, opposition to the former president's claims of immunity in his election interference case. this time, from former top military commanders and officials, one of the 19th who signed an amicus brief to the supreme court joins us next file, 100% free with turbotax free edition, roughly 37% of >> taxpayers qualify form ten, 40 and limited credits only.

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filed a brief before the supreme court attacking the former president's claims of immunity. the authors include retired four-star admirals and generals, as well as your next guess, ray neighbors who served as navy secretary in the obama administration separately, maybe it's, it's good davion, you write in this amicus brief that a president who had complete immunity from any action taken an office could mean, quote creating the likelihood that service members will be placed in the impossible possible position of having to choose between following their commander in chief and obeying the laws enacted by congress. could you give it as an example of an unlawful order? for if it was given by the commander-in-chief >> sure you've got a you've got a president that has unity that has no consequences for action then you've got a group of protesters peacefully protesting a policy of the administration and the person says, tells us military, take them out then the military if they follow that order they

would be prosecuted for murder but they would have the impossible decision choice of do you follow an order from the commander in chief which is clearly unlawful? >> or do >> you follow your duty to not obey that and cause the chaos that would that would fall. that's the that's the danger here and it's a serious deep, substantial danger. so >> it's not just theoretical. i mean, this could years but you believe it could have a ripple effect of having people in the military questioning orders that they receive from on high to make sure that i mean, just it would it would raise all sorts of questions and concerns about people in all different ranks >> absolutely. >> if >> one of the moon got to bedrock principals here, one is civilian control of the

military. it's enshrined in our constitution. the other is that both civilians and the military operate under the rule of law and the thing that holds that together is trust the military trust, the fact that the civilian superiors are going to issue lawful orders. if you have somebody who is not constrained by that room, there no consequences. and just says, i don't care if an order first lawf. i'm going ssue it no matter what. then once again, the military is that a pole pition do you follow an orderhis clrly unlaul or and they've got a duty to disobey if an order is unlawfully d followed that. >> but then what does that >> happen down the chain of command? what does the kernel do? what does the lieutenant do? what does it do? what does the private debt you've got the commander in chief saying one thing, you've got your military commit commande and

chain of command saying d't do says, and i quote, domestic conflict on us soil, especially conflict related to the peaceful transition of power only encourages are foreign adversaries what type of national security threats do you envision if a foreign adversary were to take advantage of a disruption in the united states >> one of the things that's the most awesome about our democracy is how we have a peaceful transfer of power. and every time we do, and we have for almost 250 years now in all sorts of situations, every time we do you have that transfer of power that time is a really fraught time because you've got a completely new group of people coming in they've got to be up to speed on day one. they're probably going to be tested but if you've got someone issuing unlawful orders during that time trying to hold on to power after an election

that they lost then foreign adversaries. they're going to seize on that. >> they already do that >> already watch very closely. and test the us during these transitions. but if you've got this chaotic time and orders being issued followed, not followed then they could use that very easily as a time for either to move against us, move against our allies, or to try to undermine us in myriad ways all around the world secretary mavis, i really appreciate you being on. thank you >> thank you. anderson guy up next, and deadly police involved shooting in chicago and some questions about whether officers use excessive force will show you when newly released bodycam footage reveals about the moments leading up to the fatal encounter you now have your cash back and you could earn on everything which is one car >> chase freedom unlimited. so

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>> tonight, just released bodycam video is revealing new details about a fatal police involved shooting in chicago, 26 year-old dexter reed was killed during a traffic stop last involving five police officers, nearly 100 shots were fired towards read raising questions about whether the officers use excessive force. cnn's omar jimenez has that story and we want to warn you some of what you'll see as graphic >> march 21, 2024, chicago police are initiating a traffic stop on a driverportedly for nowearing a seat belt office of police accountability a traffic stop being conducted by five tactical offers. >>oll the windowown >> what are you doing >> rolled out one down to one. don't roll the window. don't roll the window up. do not roll the window light the doors. to temperature quickly escalates. >> one >> officer puts what appears to be his gun on the windshield

read, then fires first, hitting an officer in the forearm according to the initial investigation, then chaos eid goes down then three final gunshots, 96 in total, according to investigators, a gun was later >> recovered from the front seat of reads car, porsche banks had just been on the phone with her brother in the minutes before it all happened then she turned on a police scanner at her shop. >> listen it to the police

token i finish off by a black can hear all the siphon, the scanner i got can here so many size so many sappho, many sites >> but >> didn't know that it was my brother. so dancer no lead their own in my that those sides that i heard and then emily, i'm going past my shop was my brother was the most heartbreaking thing lack of ever felt my life. >> one of the families attorneys argues this never should have happened in the first place. >> there was a weapon recovered in his car. however, it started with an unconstitutional pretextual and unnecessary stop of dexter reed, and that's what precipitated the entire incident and questions remain over why tactical officers initiated the traffic stop for a supposed seat belt violation as part of a brief statement, chicago police says this incident is still under

investigation, but the stop is where it all began. computable i stopped my nephew. he'll be a lab today, reads >> uncle sitting alongside his father when this happened to my nephew. >> i hope >> the police can understand that this is the same pain that they feel when an officer is killed in the line of duty. >> it's a pain that manifests in memories and pain that manifest as in despair that no. well, i don't know what and i just wish that. >> i could tell tale >> but to >> see him gunned down, i never ever thought that it'd be whom i know thought that it would be hell i've never thought that it would be here. >> now, the chicago police department says is still under investigation and the civilian office of police accountability says they've rommended to the poce superintendent that ey relve