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chemistry, new hands-free sketcher slip ends. it's likes lipids have invisible built-in shoehorn, so my foot slides into place, mind blown >> tonight, i'm john three 60 breaking news. again, a judge rules on the former president's latest in many attempts to derail monday's hush money trial. also tonight where he now stands on national abortion ban after fallout from yesterday's surprise ruling by arizona supreme court. and now you've changed his position and marjorie taylor greene's effort to unseat her boss, the house speaker, and the gop chaos that unfolded today. >> good evening. thanks for being with us. we begin tonight. keep him on us with breaking news on the perpetual machination machine that is donald john trump late today, a new york appeals court judge denied his motion to delay monday's hush money criminal trial, and apologies for not prefacing that with stop me if you've heard this before because you have here's the headline from just two days ago, appeals court denies and other trump attempt to delay trial. again, that was monday, seeking more time to pursue a change of venue motion. did yesterday and asking for more

time to challenge the gag order. their client is under today it got even richer with one trump attorney arguing for more time to file more defense motions to which steven wu arguing for the manhattan district attorney's office said was simply not the way these things work. we're going to leave that for legal panel to sort out in a moment. one thing though is clear these last three motions are only the most recent attempts to delay or drell thing last week, you follow the motion demanding the trial judge recuse himself for the second time. the first was last summer. he has also tried to exclude testimony from his onetime lawyer and fixer, michael cohen that was denied last month. as was his motion to do the same for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal? and motions to exclude virtually every piece of prosecution evidence, including on the catch and kill scheme, which is at the heart of the case. and we should point out as a criminal defendant, even one who once told police and i quote, please don't be too nice to criminal suspects. the former president has every right to do what he is doing, every right to try to delay justice even while complaining

as he did yet again today on his social network, that he should have been charged three years ago instead of during the campaign. and even of course, though he's shown up for numerous pretrial hearings in this and other trials, none of which he was required to and raising money off them all the while. so more on tonight, ruling from cnn's kara scannell, who joined us and how so what is the latest argument from the trump team, this filing? >> so today's issue, as he said, he were other issues earlier in the week today, the focus was on trying to get the judge to recuse himself from the case. the same arguments we have heard in the lower court argument where they say that the judge is impartial because his daughter could potentially profit because of work her company does for democratic campaigns. the other argument was this, judge, judge more sean had denied trump's effort to try to delay the trial until the supreme court ruled on presidential immunity in a completely separate case at the federal criminal charges they're appealing that and they wanted the judge the appellate judge, to put the trial and hold for that. i mean, the the appellate judge asked a lot of questions here,

but trump's main argument was they just want another bite at the apple for some of this, the da's saying, you're not even following the right procedure here. these are things you can appeal until the cases over what was interesting is we actually heard from a lawyer for the court today who is speaking on behalf of judge more sean to this issue of recusal, saying that there's apps clearly no evidence, no proof that he stands to benefit because of his daughter's job and the judge pretty swiftly denied this in there was special accommodation made today in the court. what happened? >> yeah. i mean, the court's calendar was pretty packed this afternoon. they had oral arguments from other cases that have been pending for awhile. so in order to accommodate this, given the nature of the case, the trial starting on monday they went into the basement of a courtroom and rearrange tables and chairs to create a bench from the judge, including pulling out a puffy big kind procedural chair for the judge, arranging table so the lawyers had places too for you and then reporters were sitting on chairs and tables in the back. it was really

extraordinary and what i heard was that as the first time they've ever done that, but clearly taking all of these appeals very seriously, even though they've all been swiftly denied, i want to bring in our legal analyst, karen agnifilo, and elie honig elie the tempo of this. what do you make of it? i mean, three hearings, three days, three defeats. >> this is ridiculous. let's just say that straight up. i mean, we talked last week, anderson, i said next week, meaning this week, expect to see a flurry of motions. but the pace and the nature of these filings, it's outrageous. and look, i have defended and we'll defend donald trump's right. any defendants right. to aggressively defend himself, but these motions, he's bringing, first of all, are completely out of time. he's already brought most of them, as kara said, they've already been rejected. now he's just trying again and there's just nothing to them. and it's interesting almost borderline comedic to see how quickly they're being rejected. we're seeing courts of appeals reject these cases in 20 minutes. 45 minutes. so they're trying to give him his say, but there's no appetite here in the

judiciary to move this trial. >> karen, i mean, is it done because there's only wednesday, so there's a couple of more days. >> yeah, there's two more business days. i think we're going to see more activity. this is desperate. they number of times he has been trying to delay this case the da's office said it was at least ten times. judge mark sean has even put in his orders that the defendant here is trying to delay this case. so the judges and the appellate courts know that this is not just about whatever the motions about whether it's presidential immunity or a gag order it's also an effort to delay the trial and not have it go forward. so they're gonna do everything they can to make sure that that does not happen this case has been scheduled for a long time as elie said, many of these motions have been made already in many of these things have been decided yes, he does have a right to do it, but at a certain point, they become frivolous and they become untimely and they've already been decided. so he has to watch that. he has to walk a fine line between making too many motions over and over

again. the same thing. i think the wildcard here is if he goes to the supreme court and tries to get them to stop it because when you think about it and ten days, they're hearing the very issue that he wants to appeal. the issue of presidential immunity and that's being heard on an expedited basis. and so he could go to the supreme court and say, look clearly, the judge here, it is biased against me. i've already made several recusal motions about his daughter. he's gagging me, but he doesn't gag the witnesses and presidential immunity is an issue that you're hearing and ten days time, and he won't even give me ten days. i think he's going to potentially package it all up and see if take a shot there and see if he can get an ear or somebody who chance i would say legally know, but in this supreme court, it's hard to predict anymore what they may or may not do. i don't think legally there's a basis for it. this is state court. this is not federal and this is completely

separate. the presidential immunity shouldn't apply here because this is all personal. this is his personal attorney >> yes. some of these were the checks were written wall he was president, but they were personal checks about personal business. this shouldn't have anything to do with presidential immunity. so it shouldn't have any merit or shouldn't have any legs. but that's i think his last desperate process of filing with the supreme court are guardian supreme court that would that automatically delay jury selection on monday? >> no, only if the supreme court were to step in and say, hey, put a hold on this. i agree with qarrah. i think if there's one more shot that would be it. i also agree that it will lose on the substance. there's a legal doctrine called abstention, meaning the federal courts, including the us supreme court, are very reluctant to step in and pause things at a trial level, at a state court. >> and i have to say this. >> when you're a >> lawyer, your credibility is everything and you get to a point where you start to lose it with the judge. it's like a

boy who cried wolf phenomenon, right? if you come in every day, two, three times a day and say, oh, my gosh, we have this emergency. oh, my gosh this is such an urgent situation. you have to pause it. judge, is going to start tuning you out and i think trump's team needs to consider that the former president's shared the social media posts in defense of himself from stormy daniels, former attorney michael >> avinatan is in prison right now. and trump added his own commentary calling daniels and former trump fixer michael cohen, quote, sleaze bags there both likely witnesses at the trial, would that violate the gag order? >> 100%? yes. and up till now, trump had been sort of crafty what he was doing was taking other people, saying things that would have violated the gag order and just re tweeting are retrieving that, which was maybe a gray area, but now he says he calls the two main witnesses sleaze bags, and this is a moment of truth for the dda. the da needs to go to the judge first thing tomorrow morning, say this violates the gag order. you need to do something if you don't enforce discipline right now, it's

going to get away from you. >> do you agree with that, karen? >> yes. and at the same time, it's clear that trump is trying to bait the judge. he wants more evidence to go to the supreme court to say he's biased against me and the judge is not going to take the bait. so the judge is going to do everything he can to make this case go. and so i think those those questions and decisions are probably happening right now in the da's office all >> karen elleithee, thanks so much. kara scannell as well more now, on the january 6 immunity decision, the former president has been trying to hold up his trial for, as we said, supreme court oral arguments just two weeks away, growing calls for one of the justices, clarence thomas, to recuse himself the reason as randi kaye explains, his wife ginni is role in the events leading up to january 6 >> help this great president stand firm mark, the majority knows biden and the left is attempting to greatest heist of our history. that's a text from virginia ginni thomas to mark meadows, donald trump's former chief of staff since november 10, 2020, just days after joe biden won the

election. and about two months before the january 6 attack on the capitol, it's just one of the more than two dozen text messages. the two exchanged in another text she wrote, i can't see americans swallowing the obvious fraud, just going with one more thing. with no fricking consequences. the whole coup. and now this ginni thomas also stood by lawyer sidney powell, who spread the long-debunked conspiracy theory that electronic voting machines had somehow switched ballots from trump to joe biden she wrote to meadows. sounds like sydney and her team are getting inundated with evidence of fraud. make a plan, release the cracking, and save us from the left, taking america down her actions leading up to january 6, have democrats and legal scholars demanding that her husband, justice clarence thomas recuse himself from supreme court cases related to january 6. >> this is just one of the most classic textbook conflicts of

interest. >> and >> it would frankly be a scandal if he did not. ricky, do you think he should not be? hearing anything relating to january 6 today if your wife was involved in the big lie and claiming that donald trump had actually won the presidential election. he absolutely should recuse himself jenny thomas is a well-known conservative activist. she has said she briefly attended the january 6 rally, which preceded the attack on the us capitol, but returned home before the insurrection the second reagan revolution is growing after the 2020 election. she also exchanged emails with conservative attorney john eastman, who the house january 6 committee says helped devise a scheme to try and overturn joe biden's victory it's unclear what ginni thomas said to eastman in the emails. but when she testified before the january 6 committee in 2022, the panel's chair said ginny tom has told well, then she's still believed false claims

that the 2020 election was stolen from trump. and she testified that after the election, she'd hoped that state legislators could identify fraud and irregularities in a timely manner before it was too late. she also testified about her texts to mark meadows saying, quote, i regret all of these texts explaining it was an emotional time. all of this a glaring problem, say democrats and justice thomas is simply refused to disclose what he knew. and when he knew about his wife's insurrection activities >> as the supreme court's nine justices including clarence thomas, will soon rule on whether trump is immune from prosecution related to january 6 democrats argue both justice thomas and his wife have an interest in the outcome of donald trump's prosecution. and in making jack smith's it's case against trump, go away. >> there's a >> very direct conflict of interest >> if he can help get rid of the case, he can protect his

wife from the scrutiny of having her actions be evidence for the prosecution. >> ginni thomas told the january 6 committee she was certain he never spoke with her husband about the legal challenges to the 2020 election. she also testified that clarence thomas was completely unaware of the texts that she had with mark meadows until she says the committee leak them to the press she also said it's laughable for anyone who knows her husband to think she could influence his jurisprudence for his part, clarence thomas has remained silent on the issue and has given no indication he plans to recuse himself, love to spend time with my wife who's totally my best friend in the whole world. >> randi kaye, cnn >> with that as the backdrop, i'm joined now by jeffrey tube and best-selling author of the nine inside the secret world of the supreme court, which is an awesome book. >> so can you just explain? why justice thomas is not it doesn't have to recuse himself. i mean because what

his wife has been saying is the deepest conspiracies just totally fake stuff, which is what this case that they are going to hear august 20 is fundamentally about it, which is what are the legal implications of january 6, the reason he is not required to recuse himself is that the supreme court operates by different ethical rules. from any other federal judges. they have no ethical rules that are binding on them, and there is no enforcement authority on them. the only discipline that is available when it comes to supreme court justices is impeachment which of course has never been a supreme court justice impeach. and it's certainly not going to happen here. so clarence thomas can deal with this issue by ignoring it. and there is no remedy other than impeach, wouldn't take an act of congress to get some sort of rules in place for the supreme

court. >> absolutely. and that has been raised over the years the justices have suggested there might be constitutional problems with congress imposing rules on the supreme court. >> but >> we don't. that's an academic quest's this point, since there are >> not some of these texts from ginni thomas are they appeared delusional thomas writes to mark meadows >> this is yeah. >> she writes help this great president stand firm. mark, you are the leader with him who's standing for america's constitutional governance at the precipice, the majority knows biden in the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. but >> look at the language constitutional governance, her husband is in charge of what are one of nine people in charge of what constitutional governments, governance is in this country. and this case on to be argued later, later this month is about the structure of the constitution as it applies to the january 6 leopard print

loving sidney powell, she writes, sounds like sydney and her team are getting inundated with evidence of fraud. make a plan released. the crack in and save us from the left taking america down. i mean, well greg boilerplate banana is but it's more than that because sidney powell is not just a bananas conspiracy theorist. she is a defendant in the georgia criminal case as is mark meadows, who is the recipient of this. so she is intimately involved with people who are under criminal indictment in connection with this very case. it also raises the question, what would she saying with sidney powell? how what were the nature of her conduct, its context it she did give a deposition to the january 6 committee, but they didn't really get the idea. the ginni thomas has never had a conversation with her husband about the banana conspiracy theories. i mean, that's just seems insane. what is pro-trump attorney john eastman who used toe a erk of thomas. how

does he play into all this? well, he he ise ess of being disbarred and he also aefendant in this in the georgia case >> he the he is facing consequences it is unclear to me whether ginni thomas should face any legal consequences. but even if she was just exercising her first amendment right which she certainly has the right to do. it gravely implicates her husband in a conflict of interest that is just so obviously egregious. but as i said, no one can do anything about it unless thomas himself decides to recuse himself, which he clearly will not do because they grabbed granted certiorari in the case. he participated in that decision. so he's obviously going to participate in mass decision supreme court justices talk about chernova collegial friendship feeling among justice. or do these people hate each other they do not

hate each other. i mean, there is a culture of niceness at the supreme court, perhaps to a fault stephen breyer, who just retired. he's written a book that's right. yes. yeah. and he wrote an op-ed piece in the new york times saying, oh, we disagree so strongly, but we get along so well. the question i have about that much as i respect justice breyer is who cares that they get along? i care that the about the decisions they come out with. i think most americans care about the decisions they come out with, whether they get along or not, is really of no cost. there's i mean, it doesn't seem like there's any way he's going to recuse himself zero chance, zero, because she's he's already participated in the case. bye, bye. in the certiorari decision. that is agreeing to take the case. so there is zero chance he will recuse himself and there is zero possibility that anyone can do anything about it, except impeach him, which obviously is not going to happen jeff thuban. thank you >> next, the >> former president's apparent

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ruling, he stuck with that line with the campaign spokesman saying, quote, president trump cannot have been more clear. these are decisions for people of each state to make, which sounds like he was all right with ruling today, though, perhaps sensing the potential political problems building, he said the court went too far yeah. >> straight down i shouldn't notes from that state's rights and we everybody else bring it back into recent and that will take care of, i think very quick >> form. president has already repeatedly boasted about appointing justices who overturned roe v. wade. so there's that joining us are cnn political commentators, both conservative scott jennings analyst so far griffin also kaitlan collins i want to anchor as the source coming up at the top of the next hour. >> i mean, >> i don't know why i would even ask this question, but do you believe the former president's when he says he would never signed a national abortion ban. >> absolutely not less than donald trump's not motivated by any core ideology. he's guided

by the political wins and what those around two movies, six get advice from, advise him to, to do and what he thinks is going to garner him the most political goodwill. so of course, if the tucker carlson's in the steve bannon's of the world's say you need to sign this and his basis telling him to he absolutely would. now, reality is there aren't votes in the senate at this point for a federal abortion ban but he would, if it were in front of him, he's got i mean, just the foreign president does this latest stance potentially helping with moderates more than it hurts them with conservatives because we had pollster frank lines on last night. he seems to think nothing. the foreign president could do would cause him evangelicals import well, there's certainly banking on the idea that there's effectively two choices here. joe biden and donald trump. and if you're a pro-life evangelical and you look at the toulmin's records. what are you going to do? go vote for joe biden. i don't think so. that's what they're believing. now, it is interesting. this whole question about a federal ban as alyssa said, there's no way anything can ever pass the congress if i were him, i think i would be that honest about it and say, you keep asking me

about a band, but congress isn't going to act. that's why i took my position, which is the realistic position that the states are going to end up sorting this out. this is where joe biden i actually think that says some things that are not true sometimes because he's it seems to intimate to his supporters that he can reinstate roe versus wade if you vote for him. well, that's not going to happen either. >> so the truth is, >> action is happening in the states. and now you see him laying out his preferences as each state pops up, whether it's alabama on ivf for arizona on this deal? >> game, how tough do you think it is going to be for the form present to portray himself as the person who feels proud about roe v. wade being overturned, but is also critical of near-total bands and stays the trump team was feeling pretty good on monday about how his abortion announcement went, that how what was sitting with republicans who are in moderate districts that are gonna have a lot of trouble this fall because they felt like he had hit this middle ground and maybe it wouldn't be so much of an issue. >> well, >> i think arizona has dropped the bomb shell that shows the whole state's rights argument is not going to work and it's not going to be sufficient

because what donald trump is saying is, hey, this should be left up to the states today. he's criticizing how state that it was left up to is handling it. and of course, we're only in that position because of how he paved the way to get here with roe versus wade being overturned with the three justices he put on the supreme court. so i think it's become a real issue and it's a wrinkle there are plans for how they were going to handle what trump knows is a really sensitive issue. i mean, he does even say abortion in private. he calls it the a word because they know how bad this is for republicans and donald trump's a lot of things, but he is politically astute and he gets this. and this is making it difficult for them and it's not totally clear how they're going to handle this now he's saying it should be to the state's democratic governor. he wanted to republican to win that race. kari lake, obviously she didn't. it's just kind of rich. i think that there are now turning to the democratic governor to fix this. >> but also when i'm talking about kari lake, i want to play what she said in 2022 about the exact same civil war era abortion ban after roe v. wade was overturned

>> incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books. i believe it's ars 133603. so it will prohibit abortion in arizona except to save the life of a mother >> she's now saying reverse that. so you're saying she doesn't like this thing has gone too far >> well and you know that a lot has got to be extreme if kari lake is saying it's too extreme, this is a complete flip-flop and reversal, but to caitlin zero point, i think trump did the best that he could with the politics of this. i do think the only tenable place for him to be would be deferred to states. but i actually have a working theory that it definitely will hurt republicans and the election i think donald trump may be able to message his, his way in a way that it's not going to hurt him as much. what i mean by that as we saw kansas, kentucky, and ohio where people came out and voted for republicans, but also voted to uphold abortion rights that signal something which is that people can separate the issue. and if it's on ballots, there's gonna be voters who are going to say great, i get to vote for trump, and i get to vote for reproductive florida.

>> it's going >> to be on the ballot, will be on the ballot and florida and i think it's much harder for down-ballot candidates. this is i mean, this is a gift ruben gallego, this is going to be very hard for kari lake to try to message her way out of, but trump's kind of a master of saying everything to all people and kind of being on all sides of an issue. >> it's got him clearly formed. prison does not believe it's politically tenable to support abortion bans about exceptions for rape or incest life. the mother, do you worry about gop house and senate candidates running to trouble with voters in november if they don't agree with him on that, especially with control of congress on the line yeah, he absolutely has the correct political position on this. and my advice to republicans running in any kind of a district that has any kind of purplish nas at all. even not percolation is b for the exceptions, it's the old reagan position. it's what the republican party was four, for years. it's overwhelmingly popular and trying to go down this rabbit hole all of picking and choosing the exceptions. i'm just telling you. people want the exceptions. alyssa mentioned kentucky. we did have some stuff on the mountain last couple of years. we don't have the exceptions. we have life of

the mother, but we don't have in kentucky where i live. the other two and voters noticed and they didn't like it. and so trump's instincts on that are absolutely correct >> the trump is a resident of florida has is he going to take a position on the ballot >> i think it's a good question because he's been critical of the six-week law. he said it was 200. she believed the law that ron desantis got the florida legislature and florida which basically do whatever he wanted a little over a year go to push that through. he says it was their idea, but obviously, i mean, he was a very powerful governor at the time and they thought he was going to be president potentially one day. and so we're seeing how it didn't help him in the republican primary. obviously, he's not the republican presumptive nominee. i think it's a good question because i think trump has broken with his party on that. i don't think he has said how he would vote on that and he's been very critical of the six weeks. >> yeah. kaitlyn, thanks so much. alyssa. thanks, scott as well up next the standoff between house speaker johnson and fellow republican marjorie taylor greene and her efforts to remove him from his post, mi

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congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is threatening to do it again this time to johnson she filed the motion last month to remove him over, among other things, funding for ukraine. but hasn't moved to force a vote on it yet. she continues to threaten that though, which is complicating the republicans narrow house majority even further and causing division in the party with the number of republican lawmakers now saying that greene's efforts enough soon as manu raju has more the frustration within the house gop is palpable. >> we >> don't truly have a majority at this point. you have a loosely aligned colon shouldn't government right now. and it's an incredible challenge, a bitter gop infighting, derailing the gop agenda and now threatening speaker mike johnson's job ladies, major decisions over the fbi spying, pow, and providing billions in aid to ukraine, all as a threat to oust him continues to loom as congresswoman marjorie taylor greene escalates her attacks a motion to vacate is real. >> we

>> can't continue to be led by our elected speaker of the house. that's passing the democratic agenda. are voters will not not tolerate that. >> all of it in raging fellow republicans this is incredibly reckless. this is nothing more than just look at me. no one else is paying attention. so here's my motion to vacate what's my time? >> i think senate certainty that's unnecessary. and frankly, it was a mistake when there's congress allowed it to happen to kevin mccarthy. >> it's in a job the lord jesus himself good that manages conference. or this can't you just can't do it. >> johnson will soon see his razor thin majority shrink, giving him just one vote to spare. but the right-wing continues to give johnson fits furious over his deal-making with democrats and warning him about his moves ahead. green outline her anger in a scathing five-page letter sure attacking johnson over his handling of a funding package to keep the government open and less 70 minute meeting with johnson today warning him not to move ahead with any more aid to ukraine or a bill to renew the

fbi's warrantless surveillance authority, something former president donald trump successfully urged republicans to kill earlier today, less than members i'm talking to support the letter that i sent and they completely agree with it. and that's the only feedback that i've heard. >> what >> johnson offering this warning, if queen moves ahead, it would be chaos in the house. yet several >> hardliners are open to greene's call for his ouster. i think she has some valid concerns. i'm not closing the door. >> are you ready? the vote to vacate the speaker. >> now, we're not going to go down that path right now. i think that the republican conference as a whole needs to really figure out what we are about if he does move forward with any ukraine package which could that cost him his job? >> yeah. i think it'd be a real risk for the speaker to move a giant package. >> but johnson, who was holding a florida press conference with trump on friday, could also be saved by democrats, especially if he moves on ukraine aid or whatever he does. >> i'm going to support them >> because he's trying to do the right thing. >> now joins me from capitol hill. so what are you hearing about how foreign president

trump will come down the issue? >> well, that >> is actually one of the big >> questions right now about whether or not donald trump will turn to tip the scales. one way or the other. marjorie taylor greene told me that she spoke with down trump yesterday. she would not say whether or not donald trump was supportive of her effort. i asked her if he's tried to dissuade her at anyway, she said she wouldn't she suggested that he was not an add-on tropp instead was focused on his own reelection. meantime, mike johnson has been speaking with trump, but he would declined to comment to when i asked him today whether or not he has asked trump for his support. now we do have learned also that trump is an johnson are planning to have a joint press conference on friday and mar-a-lago, there's wasn't talking about election issues. what exactly that means is unclear and whether he actually gives johnson to support is also unclear. if he does, that could help him to significantly with the right hey, wing of his party and will be uncertain whether virgin taylor greene would change our approach if that were to occur. we do know anderson that lots of trump. >> but >> johnson allies were close.

donald trump have been urging the former president to get behind mike johnson in this critical time, believing that a chaotic episode where the speaker has house and republican infighting will only hurt his efforts to take back the white house so whether donald trump tries to tip the scales in this inner-party fight remains to be seen on a raja. >> thank you. meanwhile, as johnson faces a serious threat of his speakership this friday as a monitor just mentioned, he said to hold a joint news conference with the foreign president mar-a-lago on quote, election integrity she didn't say kristen holmes joins us now with more. so what's the goal here with this press conference? >> well, depends on who's gold you're talking about because i've not had the impression that there's any goal for former president donald trump, that every, the big goal here of logs, just speaker johnson, just so you know, i've talked to senior adviser to donald trump who called this quote, unquote johnson's thing. another one told me that it was johnson's team that was running point on this press conference. if you really look at the timing here, you'll johnson going down to florida to stand

next to donald trump at a time when he really needs his support to talk about something that matters there's two donald trump that donald trump wants to talk about. i'm madhu talked a little bit about this. there's actually number of drugs and allies who told me that they have encouraged trump to either support jogs and on friday or just stay out of this altogether and i will also remind you that marjorie taylor greene is very, very close to donald trump. the other part of this is that donald trump might not want to weigh in. and i'm top of that. he told one source of mind that he doesn't want to go through another speaker battle. so he might have to weigh in at some point, if that's what doesn't want to do so what is the political benefit of anything for trump to help the speaker? >> the political benefit is that he >> gets to stay out of >> another speaker race and there isn't another speaker's. i will remind you that during this lengthy month long process of ousting kevin mccarthy and eventually getting to mike johnson. almost the entire news cycle, every single week was all about the speaker's race at one point, donald trump

actually said, when he was in court in new york, all plenty one cares about is the speaker's race. >> he said that >> donald trump likes to get media attention. he doesn't want the fixation to be on another part of this chaotic republican party pretty he wants it to be on him running for president. and if there is another upset, if there is another weeks-long process that we all take to him, have it every news cycle that's going to take away from him being in court in new york as well. no. he wants to maximize those opportunities. >> kristen holmes. thanks. up. next new details. i'm an israeli strike that. killed three children of a senior hamas political leader. that and how israel is responding to hamas is claim they're currently unable to find 40 hostages that meet the criteria for the first phase of any ceasefire deal. >> there's debris and this guy, parents, husbands and wives gone i could've done something differently. you can just make it better for those that follow space shuttle columbia, the final flight, two

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ask your vet for apical chewable to it >> how it really happens. >> sunday, april 28. nine tonight to major developments in the conflict between israel and hamas, the israeli military today confirm they carried out a strike killing three sons of a >> top hamas political leader. the idf says the three were hamas military operatives who conducted terrorist activity in gaza a cnn stringer in gaza also said three of the leaders grandchildren were killed in strike. the attack comes amid ongoing negotiations for another i'll try >> analyst, retired army four-star general and former nato supreme allied commander wesley clark jeremy, what exactly it's my saying about those not having those hostages because the israel i said there's at least some 130 bleach held on stage >> will anderson for weeks now, these negotiations have been trying to build towards an agreement censoring around two key things. first of all, a six-week ceasefire and secondly, the release of some

40 hostages. the remaining women, as well as elderly and sick menn. but now we're learning that hamas is informed the mediators that they either don't have or that they cannot located 40 hostages who fit those categories. and this is obviously a major potential obstacle to reaching an agreement because of how much and for how long on the talks that focus on that very notion. and it also raises the specter frankly for the families of those hostages that there simply are not 40 hostages alive who who match that category, raising concerns for those families, of course, and for the prospects of a deal. >> general clark, i mean, if it's true that hamas doesn't have 40 hostages which is the fifth criterion criteria do you think they'd ever turned over other hostages even if they're younger, military aged, males >> the shirt on, if they want the negotiated agreement to move forward but right now, the

momentum is was amash they know they're winning they know the weight of global opinion, including in the united states, is weighing in against the israelis, against a continuation of the operation into rafah. and they know that if they shouldn't play, hang tough. continue to report casualties, get the sympathy of the world on their side. there'll be increasing pressure against israel. and this has been really the aim of their war plan since october 7, you believe they're winning they believe their winning and if you look at the measures of success, we can't tell how many hamas commanders have been killed and so forth. but the bottom line on it is if this fight is hamas survives. it will come out and anything is done to rebuild gaza, give a palestinian to skate or anything else hamas will claim that it's the victor and that it is the cause for the success

of the two-state solution and the rebuilding of gaza and so forth. hamas has been an organization dedicated to murder a snitch lights or terrorist organization. so it's a really bad thing for the whole region. if hamas does suive and claim success. >> jeremy, obviously hamas is violating all international norms, red crossorms about the treatment of hostages and the idtified buying of ages communications from hostages. >> ty haven't >> even t forward a an accounting of all the people that they have, have they no, they haven't. >> and that's something that israel has been trying to obtain four months now as part of these negotiations asking hamas for a list of the hostages that they have alyssa so the hostages that they have who remain alive and so far hamas has refused to provide that. they have repeatedly said that what they need is a ceasefire in order to be able to actually identify and locate all of these hostages, some of

whom are not in their captivity, but in the captivity of other militant groups. and we know that these really government has a certain sense of which hostages are alive in which hostages are dead and we also know that the israeli government believes that beyond those some 30 hostages who they have confirmed to be dead, they believe that there are others who likely are as well oh, but there's a very high bar anderson in the israeli government for actually confirming and publicly certifying that certain hostages are dead and so there is still a certain degree of uncertainty. four those families. >> and what about this strike that. we talked about that killed three of the sons of hamas leader, who the idf says, were three people engaged in terrorist activity yeah, it's my a hernia. hamas is political leader today, three of his children as well as three of on a vehicle igaza. the ike in israeli military says that it

was targeting s thre chdren, who th say are hamas military operati it was operating inside of gaza, hernia for his part ofy qukly drew a connection between this airstrike and those ongoing negotiation suggesting that it would was an effort to get hamas to back off of its demands. and he said that anyone who inks that it will prompt hamas softened its position is que unote, lusional, but i can tell you, anderson that tonight the is a scramble by israeli officials to try and distinguish between that airstrike on that vehicle and those ongoing negotiations and israeli official telling me that these two situations where essentially unlinked and two other israeli officials also telling me that israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, as well as israeli defense minister yoav gallant. were not informed about this strike ahead of time, suggesting that this was not some kind of a politically motivated move. but again, for now, hamas is dry mean that connection and that

could be yet another stumbling block in these talks, >> general clark, how strong do you think hamas still is >> i think there's joel have command and control of several battalions. i think they're battalions are shown what lower in strength and they started, but we would estimate three to 5,000 fighters are still they're there, they're still an effective resistance to israel. there are still using the civilian population as hostages. they're still interfering with the delivery of humanitarian supplies, medical supplies, and i don't believe for a minute that they can't locate hostages because these are underground organizations have long standing plans. and rehearsals on how to maintain communications when israel does what's expected, which is cutting communications, bombing disrupting things, it's saying they can't locate it another way to put more pressure on israel through the united

states, just like are jeremy was saying about the hamas claims about the three songs that were killed by the israeli airstrike. that was a legitimate military target. israel executed it and, you know, if it had been an american system, we would have looked at it. we might have said on others, children there, but under the israeli rules of engagement, that's a legitimate target. those people were killers terrorists, and they were taken out had nothing to do with the negotiations. >> john clarke, thank you. jeremy diamond as well, just ahead, we remember the man who shaped the careers of some of the biggest names in tv news and change the tv news business forever. the life and legacy of richard leibler next there take allergy relief works fast and last a full 24 hours. so they can be liver dance >> okay, dave let's be more than our allergies. xi's the de

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