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officials deemed insufficiently loyal, we need to make it much easier to fire rogue bureaucrat to a deliberately undermining democracy. >> and with trump escalating his rhetorical warfare and advance of his trial next week on charges brought by the new york district attorney. it should be noted there's a policy proposal for that, too. >> i will direct a completely overhaul doj to investigate every radical da and agn america for their illegal races. in reverse enforcement of the law >> i think the point here is this, there's no question next week donald trump faces the highest state's legal challenge of his career. but if he survives that first criminal trial and any other that occurs over the course of the coming eight months and wins reelection. he will enter the oval office, embolden personally and with more power than we've seen probably in decades from a president and a team. we're not hiding this, they're making very clear what they wanna do, how they wanted to do it, and that their supporters want them to deliver erin crow, as i listened to what someone tells you, i've
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phil mattingly. thanyou very much and thanks to all of you. it's time for anderson tonight on three 60 the deaf and legacy of oj >> simpson, who's double murder trial became a must-see tv. and aurore such test on race celebrity, and justice in america also tonight abortion. and how the fight over it reveals the growing influence of religious nationalism on american politics. plus a preview of tomorrow's pilgrimage by the speaker of the house to see the former president and they're expected subject of discussion. election security of all things good evening. anderson is off. i'm jim sciutto. we begin with oj simpson, who we learned today has died of cancer at the age of 76. and we start by saying it is impossible to overstate his fame for decades or the decades of notoriety, notoriety that followed starting here
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california highway patrol has now confirmed to cnn that it is definitely hours and they are almost certain that oj is in the passenger seat >> june 17, for an estimated 95 million americans. watch this in real time. it was the ultimate drama on the biggest stage imaginable, involving a celebrity in a city of celebrities. now accused of two murders and make no mistake. oj simpson, celebrity, went well beyond sports, whether it was winning the heisman trophy usc or becoming the first nfl player to run for more than 2000 yards in a single season. he turned that fame into a commercial calling card such that millions of people who'd never seen him play, watched him run through airports for
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hertz rent-a-car and millions more tuned in every week to see any here i'm doing color and commentary on monday night football. and if it wasn't on tv or in commercials on tv, he was in the movies. none masterpieces, but most endearing. and all of it giving simpson the kind of appeal that transcended racial tensions in los angeles willis and the country there and now which is why in june of 1994, so many people were so shocked when he was charged with the double murder of his wife, nicole brown simpson, and her friend, ron goldman. and why it should be set as plainly as we can, that many will neither miss normal more. orenthal, james simpson today, the sr and father of ron goldman, whom he was found civilly liable of killing along with his former wife nicole, said this for three decades, we tirelessly pursued justice for ron and nicole. and despite a civil judgment and his confession in if by did it, the hope for true
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accountability has ended if i did it, you may remember is the title of the bizarre accounts simpson wrote about those killings. the killings, and the spectacle of the trial that followed are we're seeing cnn's jean casarez starts us off it is now 7:00 in los angeles. this was >> the most famous car chase in television history june 17, 1994, the los angeles police department announced football legend oj simpson is wanted in the killings of his ex-wife, nicole brown simpson and her friend ron goldman, los angeles police department, right now, is actively searching for mr. simpson. >> mr. simpson is a fugitive of judges right now. >> let me get to my house. okay. we're going to do wednesday. i'll give you what you can i'll give you my whole body. i need to get we're going
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to do that. just throw the gun out the window o j >> simpson was now a fugitive from justice later that night, he was taken into custody and charged with two counts of first-degree murder. he was held without bail at his arraignment, he pleaded not guilty the televised trial of the century watched by millions, >> ladies and gentlemen of the jury. >> the prosecution led by marcia clark and chris darden, lined up a slew of witnesses like cato, kaitlyn, a longtime house guest so simpson, ethan speaking, kaelyn, who became a household name, testified he saw oj simpson on his property the night of the murders and contradicted some of simpson's versions of events, >> i heard a thumping noise how many sons could you hear? objection >> yes. three nicole brown
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simpson, sister denise, took the stand, telling jurors how simpson abused >> nicole, pictures of her bruised face shown in court. >> it was more of a like glazed over kind of frightening, dark it just didn't, look like boj that we knew lead prosecutor marcia clark introduced dna evidence from blood samples collected by detective mark fuhrman, others that pointed directly at simpson but it was a cross-examination of that evidence and fuhrman by simpson's so-called legal dream team. including johnnie cochran and barry scheck that poked holes in the prosecution's case >> scheck >> question and lapd criminologist who can see that there were quote, procedural errors and how the blood samples were collected at simpsons brentwood home under
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cross-examination, defense attorney f. lee bailey accused detective fuhrman of racial bias and using racist language, something fuhrman denied. >> house, please. what it was you offered lawyers in that room about your vocabulary, detective, for today? >> would you answer? yes >> that i don't use any type of language to describe people of any race such as what is alleged tape recordings played in court proved otherwise damaging. the detectives credibility the goldman family who did not miss a day of court, lashed out at the defense. >> ron and nicole were butchered, but it was this pivotal moment considered a huge miscalculation by the prosecution. chris darden as
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simpson to put on the bloody glove found at the scene resulting in cochrane saying the most famous line of the trial in his closing we have to restrict if it doesn't fit, you must acquit >> after listening to more than eight months of testimony. this jury reached a verdict in less than four hours. >> we the jury and embarked in title action, find the defendant or jaw or anthony james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder, fred and kim goldman were visible to bleed distraught in the courtroom >> justice was not served in the circus-like atmosphere outside court. the reaction much different cheers erupting as the crowd reacted to the not guilty verdict jason simpson was a free man and following this acquittal, there was a troubled life for oj simpson.
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there was that civil case, and there was a verdict in that civil verdict of wrongful death that the goldman's deserve justice for oj simpson moved to florida. there were some infractions with the law and then there were charges in the state of nevada very serious charges of kidnapping and armed robbery. he was convicted, he was sentenced to 33 years in prison. he went to prison in nevada, served nine of those years, and then got out jim jean casarez. thanks so much for joining us now, jim murray, who anchored hour after hour of simpson coverage foresee at any is currently chief correspondent for inside edition, also, jeffrey toobin. the courtroom for that not guilty verdict. he's written the definitive bestselling book about the case, the run of his life the people, the oj simpson, also with us, laura coates, cnn chief legal analyst anchor of laura coates live, which airs tonight with a special edition at 11:00 eastern time. jeff, i want to begin with you you cover the oj
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simpson trial extensively. you were in that courtroom right behind goldman's family when that verdict was read. and i can only imagine that moments seeing their reaction there, but i wonder a bigger picture. why in your view, was the public so fascinated with this case at the time from that bronco trace, all the way through the verdict and beyond. it's still fascinated frankly to this day. >> well, let me give you, you give you two reasons. one was this is a case that combined everything that obsessed the american people. it had sex, race, hollywood violence sports, and the only eyewitness was a dog. i mean, this was a perfect distillation of what interest americans. second, it is worth remembering how different for the news media was in those days. there was no internet, there was no social media. there was very limited cable tv. there was only cnn and court tv. no, msnbc know fox news. >> so the >> fact
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>> that it was on every day, all de on cnn for tv generated a tremendous amount of attention and it was incredibly interesting it was a complicated story. i don't think it was a mysterious story. i think it is very clear it was to me then and it certainly is to me now that oj was absolutely guilty of these two murders, but it was a fascinating story and there was nowhere else to go in the mid 90s. and that's where people went. >> yeah, certainly the drama of a steep fall from grace as well. laura do you believe oj simpson's acquittal had more to do with that dream team of lawyers living up to that dream team? hi hype or the prosecution making mr. missteps, as you know, they came under enormous public criticism or this mix of celebrity and race and how that factored into this. >> i think all of it plays into this, but also this is not happening in a vacuum. it's happening a few years after the
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savage beating of rodney king. it's happening where people are viewing the justice the system really the legal system striving to be a justice system through the lens of race. they're looking at police officers and law enforcement that they do not trust. and the notion that there could be somebody to either plant evidence was not so far-fetched to so many people. i think you're also looking at the idea of the composition of the jury, which tells you just how important the jury great composition really is. how did the jurists feel? how do they think about the overall system and how do they trust the actual officers? and remember, this is a really interesting dynamic because over the course of modern american history, well, even not so modern, the idea of a race of the defendant being different than the race of the victims usually does not. a nerve the benefit of black and brown people in this instance, it was so shocking to so many that white victims at the hands of an alleged defendant who was black would have an acquittal in the end was really something that was selling to a lot of people. but this is going to live its way in infamy for so many reasons,
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for all the thing you talked about, for this being led by those famous lines by one johnny cochran, a highly esteemed lawyer for the entire dream team. but it's also why the notion of race became all the more nuance, because the average black or brown defendant who is facing the idea of law enforcement could not be trusted or the weight of race and beyond could not have afforded that particular dream team or that had they not been sunday but he like orenthal james simpson ultimately, no one went to prison for these crimes, whoever whether whether you believe the acquittal or not, no one there was no justice served. jim as jeff was noting there, this was pre-social media. it was pre iphones. it it was free people tweeting their reactions in the moment. and yet millions of people around the world followed this case. they felt like as lori described to me earlier today, the 13th juror in this case, in many ways, you had a front row seat to this throughout. had you ever seen anything like it up to that
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point? and have you seen anything similar sets? >> none of us had it really was a shared experience and jeff is right. you had the merger of hollywood, you had race, you had celebrity, you had money. the different judicial systems for all of those and the only way you could keep up with this and it became this national obsession that was, it was really in a way shrinking reality television because this took the place of a soap opera. soap operas were basically taken off the air during the period that this trial was on because you had a national soap opera that people were watching and it was a serious one with real life consequences tonight when oj simpson has now passed away, i think it's important to remember the victims and their families because they are the ones who had justice denied. and i agree with jeff that if you look at the evidence in this case, it was overwhelming, but you had so many different things at play here in terms of race specifically that allowed this jury to say not guilty. and because confortable with it. so
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i don't think any of us will ever see anything like this again, because the audience now so splintered. but this was truly a shared experience with some hundred and 4,050 million people watching that verdict live. you'll never see that again. this was really the first major televised trial where people were having a bird's-eye view of everything that was going and on and it was warts and all. and it's important as well, by the way, around the world, i should note, i was, i was in tokyo at the time i watched that slow speed, a car chase scene around the world that they were international viewers to this as well. sorry, jeff, you had what i was just saying as important as the courtroom experience was for the public the e. even bigger legacy of this case is what happened on the day of the verdict because everybody knew when the verdict was going to be announced. and television stations all over the country had their cameras poised at audiences and you had racially different audiences. you had large groups of black people. you had large groups of
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white people, and you saw cheering on the largely black audiences and shock and har, in the white audiences end, it is rare in our experience today. fortunately, it's rare that we see racial differences displayed in such a transparent way as it was at that moment. and it was a real education. it was certainly an education for me about how the criminal justice spirit system is experienced by black people and white people in this country. and the verdict and those reactions wa a trendous eye-opening experience, u know, laura, i was thinking earlier today as i watched bill clinton's comments on the verdicafterwards becse he was acknledging that the union thomas divisions ande was ting in the 30 years sinccivil ghts legislation, many blacks inhis country feel that they haven't made as much progress as they might have hoped, acknowledging that and it struck me that was 30 years before. it's been 30 years since then are those
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divisions as pronounced today, i think of the reaction to george floyd's killing and the black lives matter protests that that was a equally national experience. one might argue, are they as pronounced today? it has there been progress, progress in some areas, not in others. what's your view? >> i think it's more than a variety of different ways, but i do certainly think that americans do you see the world through the different lenses from their own perspectives and race and forms that in a very distinct way for so many people and when you look at strictly the justice system in america, and the way in which the weight of the government is against an individual defendant we talk right now at the cusp of this extraordinarily surrealist trial, turning on monday about this idea of the piphus one suddenly they perhaps two tier justice system that being political in some respects, but this idea of the wealthy and the non wealthy. now the idea of race and otherwise, these have been issues we've been grappling with as a nation since the justice system was developed. and i think it's all the more informed today, but
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expanded because people have their own silos. they had their own echo chambers or reinforce how they already feel about an issue. but this showed that for a moment in time, everyone had the same word shack test, the same inkblot, and it was never the same conclusion. >> yeah. the silo, the development of those silos probably one of the biggest sense then write that you don't have that shared experience of the one place you'd go to to experience news as it happens. laura coates, thanks so much. jeff toobin, as well. good to have you all on tonight. and so you're 11:00, laura, for a special edition of laura coates live the life and death of oj simpson. again, that 11:00 eastern time right here on cnn next tonight, espn's jeremy shap and his thoughts on simpson's passing later. only on three 60 cnn's donie o'sullivan investigates the intersection of battles of abortion and the former president's support of what's been called a christian nationalist movement on the right
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or since, a place where news choppers were everywhere in a time when cell phones were just starting to become pervasive. during that chase simpson distraught, a gun to his head at times, spoke with lapd detective tom lange. and here's one key moment let me get to my house. okay. we're gonna do where i'll give you what my whole body i need to get them. we're going to do that. just throw it gun out the window when i can abrade, going to let you go up there, just throw it out the window, please. you scared everybody toss it. please too many people love you, man, i'll give it all up. don't hurt everybody. you're going to hurt everybody >> i'm just going to leave a known adult recent cold if all i would do it as he listened to do think about everybody the outside money on a freeway, i could do it in a deal. i want to do that. or grave i wanted to do it at my out joining us now, jeremy shapp, who covered
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the case for espn where he currently hosts eith 60 and outside the lines, jeremy good to have you on tonight. >> thank you, jim. thank you for i was watching that video >> 30 years i was in la that day and i remember how surreal it was watching the chase as it was unfolding. i've gotten to la that morning i'd been in chicago for several days covering the story from chicago because chicago is where oj simpson flew the night of the murders. he had a meeting with hertz executives and he was staying at the o'hare plaza hotel and so there was media in chicago as investigators from los angeles which lists came out to chicago to interview witnesses to collect evidence and maybe it was the day before, two days before the chase. i don't remember jim at this point, >> but how strange
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>> it was to be standing in a field somewhere near o'hare airport with all of these police officers and forensic specialists looking for the murder weapon in the field and then going out to la and of course, no one knew where he was for a period of several hours and then i walked into a bar in downtown la with a friend of mine and the chase was up on the tv those days were giant tvs everywhere is like, what is that? >> oh, it's >> oj in that bronco. what i remember spending some time watching it and then walking the streets of la. and it was like something from the 1950s when people listened to the world series in their car radios people were pulled over with their car radios on listening to the chase. it in then the helicopters, the dozens of them that we're flying in the airspace in la that night following the chase,
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it was unbelievable? >> yeah, there's something old and new about it at the same time, right? old in the sense that you have the country experiencing at once what we so rarely do now, but new and that there were some technologies there were relatively new, the newest choppers in the air cell phones and so on. i want to ask you this because oj was as what has become far more common today, right? a great athlete who was also a pitch man in movies. their own just everywhere, omnipresent but he was, if not the first one, he was certainly one of the first who had that national commercial and sports profile >> oj simpson was, ubiquitous and he was especially notable as one of the first african athletes to make that kind of impact. >> to be >> a pitch man for corporate america, he was the guy
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corporate america called to sell its products to pitch it services >> and that's >> one of the ironies here to write gym because the trial of everything that happened over the course of the next 18 months, so much of it, of course this was about race in oj was someone throughout his adult life who had run in his own words, away from the issue of race who the phrase was often used, the oj transcended rates as if that was possible, right? >> but, but >> he was someone who was ubiquitous, who was beloved. there was this persona of approachability and friendliness and afp ability in today, i've been thinking about that. the difference, right? the difference between the public oj you jane, we thought we knew and the real oj
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>> no question. and it's hard to think of a bigger fall from grace. certainly in the world of athletes, athletes, jeremy shapp thanks so much for joining thank you, jim. >> and just ahead with >> the arizona high court's abortion decision becoming a major campaign topic we're going to examine how some in the religious community had become alarmed at the former president's support of what's been called a christian nationalist movement on the right, we're gonna have the details now next >> can sugar ray leonard do everyday tasks wearing boxing gloves >> how bird? >> and. now putting on his new arch bit sketchy slip-ups, you just step in and go with covered that will not view out to try new arch fit hands-free skechers, lipids. >> we talked about cash 11 hard not again that again, talking about cashback, we talking about cash backing divers are talking about bragg who talked about cash back and we talk
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have tried to blur those lines. >> we are going to have one nation under god, which we must we have to have one nation under god and one religion under god. >> this vision of america is known as christian nationalism. >> i >> believe that america is a christian nation and that christianity deserves a privileged place in the american government. what i'll here events is the founding fathers for christian america was built off christian values y >> is jesus nor christianity mentioned in the costume? >> trump has seized on christian nationalism and is feeding into us from speeches. >> we are a nation that is hostile to liberty freedom fate and even god to hawking $160 bible. >> i, brad, you endorse and encourage you to get this bible, a bible that includes the us constitution and lyrics of a lee greenwood song
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>> how any christian can vote for a democrat christian or person of faith person of faith, how you could vote for a democrat is crazy. >> trump is stoking fear, is that christianity is under attack and only he can save us. >> but no one will be touching the cross of christ under the trump administration to use christianity to control that. if you don't see christianity in christ, the way we see then you are not truly christian. and a view not truly christian, then you are not truly american. >> america is a country that has christians are part of it. christian nationalism is not christian at all. >> pastor is jackson jacobson and shaw are part of a campaign here in milwaukee that is trying to fight back against christian can nationalism or why is christian nationalism and your view such threat >> threat because its is
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exclusive. >> can you really with a straight face, look at life, teachings way and death of jesus and line that up with the correlates of christian nationalism, anti muslim racist anti-immigrant. i mean, it just doesn't work >> polling shows americans different on the role of christianity in governments. a minority would support the government declaring christianity the country's national religion. >> you can't have a multicultural democracy and have a privilege. religion doesn't work. do you think >> laws in this country, government should be based on christianity or is it just totally separate out from the lewis put christ back into the contrary? for april longs. and the contrary withdrawal lot stronger. >> what does that look like? they'll print christ back into the country for god, back into the church airport, god back into the white so i was where he belongs. >> 44% of americans say the bible should have at least some influence on us law. do you think is america a christian country? >> i believed that growing up,
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i did. yeah. >> founded as a christian country >> yes, it was founded as a christian country but obviously in the constitution there is that separation of church and state >> yes. what then there's also all hawaii's let well, i went to public school if we were allowed to pray. >> when you say christianity is under attack in america, you're talking about in this schools that >> not so much in the schools, but just i just can't come up with anything right now. but i think that the biggest thing is i just don't trust you biden. >> some of these fears are fueled by misinformation. >> and what the hell was biden thinking when he declared easter sunday to be trans visibility day? international trends, >> gender visibility day takes place every year on march 31st. this year, easter sunday also
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happened to fall on that day i think more that christians are going to be discriminated against under biden or second, or how what do you mean by that? >> by >> making yesterday, which was the worldwide perished and celebration of the resurrection transgender day that was quite a slap in the face. >> i will just say that the days they've had, the trans awareness day on the same days the past few years, it just happened that this year it fell on on easter sunday. >> thank you for correcting me. i appreciate that. >> so do you understand it better now >> okay. yeah, i do. god loves trans cancers and he wants them to come to him too. >> but not everyone is open to accepting facts, some and getting church leaders are pushing lies about the election due to play right now, if you vote democrat, i don't even want you around his church, didn't get out get out you demon you can get out your baby butchering election thief. you
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cannot be a christian and vote democrat in this night shift. >> and that's what worries these pastors. >> i think we are at risk of terrible violence increasing violence in this country. and that's the rhetoric that we're hearing a lot loud mega preachers is leading us towards the possibility of no-holds-barred warfare. we really do think that democracy is at stake in the selection and, look jim, moos of people, pretty much everybody we spoke to at that trump probably they believed that >> christianity has a special place in american society and american politics. but they were very much for freedom of religion. they don't necessarily get in the way of anybody else. says rights. but what you see in that piece there is that there's leaders in this movement that are trying to take advantage of people's christianity, of their patriotism for the united
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states and weaponizes in this political way. and i can tell you, we spoke to lots of pastors across the country. they are really, really concerned about this look, trump's for rotation and appeal to evangelicals is nothing new but especially over covid and everything like that. a lot of pastors have seen their flock there congregants leaving to these more extremist churches and they're, they're worried >> then there's the demonizing literally and figuratively over the other side. yeah. >> don't have sullivan. thanks so much. >> coming up. breaking news, new details on what the former president wants to discuss during his first ever news conference alongside how speak for mike johnson. that's tomorrow at mar-a-lago >> imagine a future where plastic is not wasted. >> but instead >> remade over and over into the things that keep our food fresher our families safer and
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president and the embattled house speaker, mike johnson. it, is taking place at the former president's mar-a-lago estate. kristen holmes joins us now with new reporting on what exactly they're going to discuss and that press conference we understand, kristen, you have new reporting. what are they going to say? >> yeah, that's right. gem. so i'm told by a senior trump adviser that they're going to use this as a quote-unquote opportunity to draw attention to what they say our state proposals lawsuits that would ultimately allow noncitizens to vote in elections now, to be very clear there is a federal law that bans noncitizens from voting elections. this is not a common problem, but it has become somewhat of a rallying cry for republicans. donald trump doesn't run as far to say that democrats want undocking majid immigrants coming into the country because they think it will help them in the election in 2024. >> but >> the lau's republicans to link this idea of collections, which has really become a pet issue for that to the very real and concerning issue to voters,
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issue of immigration using really fear tactics to say that these people are a registering, again, to vote so that they can impact the election. i do want to say there are a little bit of nuance here. we know that in some cities across the country they have allowed nonsense dozens to vote in non-federal elections. >> something like the school board, for example. but this is not some kind of widespread problem. however, we are seeing republicans it gets painted as such. now, we are also told they're going to use this opportunity to re-litigate the 2020 election, which both of them tried back in 2022 over charlie the results of their billing this as a press conference, jim and is unclear whether or not there actually wait to take questions. however, i'm told by trump advisers they expect them to take questions that does not always mean that they actually take questions though, to, to your point, it sounds like not one but two misleading arguments they intend to make tomorrow. kristen holmes, thanks so much. we'll republican insiders tonight are quietly at odds with their standard bearers over another
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non-existing threat. and that is fraud with mail-in voting. sara murray has that story for the gop's election skeptics, this is a hard sale in the states >> where ballot harvesting is legal. we are going to ballot harvest where, where states have the universal mail-in voting. we are going to run a universal mail-in voting op theicket c't op when the man bag vote by mail we have to get rid of mail-in ballot. if you are a mail-in voting, you automatically have fraud. mailn votings totally corrupt >> republican officials are trying to walk a tight rope, appease donald trump by pursuing efforts to curtail the process while at the same time convincing the base to bank votes early. >> if we want to compete and when we must embrace early voting, despite that embrace the republican national committee is also involved in a flurry of legal challenges, making it harder for those early votes to count according to a cnn analysis, of dozens of
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those lawsuits, were filed at lawsuits already in 24 different states. to make sure that we've got good rules on the road in pennsylvania, the rnc and other groups have succeeded in having ballots tossed with a missing or incorrect date on the envelope in ohio, georgia, and florida, the gop is defending restrictions on ballot drop boxes, even in new york, a blue bastion, republicans are challenging major vote-by-mail expansion enacted last year. >> we want this to be the biggest moos pro-active election integrity campaign ever. the >> lawsuits are partly to >> placate trump, who emerged from his 2020 defeat, refusing to accept he had lost and instead complaining he lacked the legal firepower needed to win election challenges to keep him in the white house. and while gop officials insist trump is coming around, the president has been very consistent lately, right? what he has said is that that we would like ultimately there to only be voting on section day, but that's not the law. >> his harsh criticism has made
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it harder for battleground state republicans to catch up to democrats advantage with early voters >> hi, my name is tom edey i'm the chairman of the erie county republican party. i'd like to talk to my fellow republicans about voting by mail and ballot in swing county, erie, pennsylvania, eddy asieh, trump's team ahead of a local rally last summer to please have the candidate mentioned, he supports mail-in ballots i went to the rally. i'm sitting behind him and he starts talking about voting. and i thought, oh boy, cure combs, no such luck. >> i will fully secure our elections very importantly, and our goal will be one day voting with only paper ballots. >> i think donald trump's just says i accept mail-in ballots, especially here in pennsylvania and here in erie county. and that will turn them out of people around to say, okay, if he accepts it out, accepted let's hit i mean, it's amazing to watch. it's part of a continuing effort to undermine the results of the 20 confidence in the results of
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the 2020 election. but how gop officials expressed frustration about the president's rhetoric on this. >> i think there is some frustration because they want to win. but when you also talk to these local gop officials, they understand they don't love as mail-in ballots either, but they're saying, look, if we want to change the laws, if we want to change the rules, we need to actually win elections >> there you have it. that's how democracy works. it should sara murray, thanks so much. still had gunfire hits a unicef aid convoy leaving bullet holes in one vehicle. thankfully, no one was injured, but much needed supplies for the children of gaza. could not get there to where they're needed. i'm going to speak with a unicef spokesperson who was part of that convoy. what she has to say about the dangerous situation and the humanitarian crisis in gaza. that's next take a look at >> here. guys were everything out let's are dying from design and products to removal and
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agency that helps children says one of its vehicles came under >> fire on wednesday while waiting to enter northern gaza thankfully, no one was injured. here's unicef, tess ingram, who joins us just a moment and was part of that convoy active shooting broke out in the area qarrah was hit by a few bullets are just got back and be clear bullet hits here another one here along the window and a few others >> this came ten days >> after seven aid >> workers with world central kitchen were killed in what israeli officials call eight mistakenly targeted military strike aid agencies are reporting dire needs in gaza and yesterday on capitol hill, samantha our america's top humanitarian official, said, yes, when asked if famine was already occurring in gaza unicef tests ingram joins me now with more test. it's good
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to have you can you walk us through what exactly happened as i understand it, you are on a coordinated aid mission yesterday in northern gaza what happened next? >> so as you say, it was a coordinated mission, we'd planned in advance. we have unrwa and unicef colleagues together trying to bring nutrition, supplies, medical supplies, and 10,000 liters of fuel for water points in the north of gaza we traveled north. we're heading towards the waze. what do you guys checkpoint >> when we're >> instructed to hold at a waiting area which is just south of the checkpoint. and this is a designated area where you, un convoys often have to wait while we're there, gunfire breaks out in the vicinity. it seemed to be coming from the direction of the checkpoint from the north. and it seemed to be aimed at civilians who were in the area who then turned and ran away
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from the checkpoint. we were just to the west of them. we were three cars and two trucks and one of, our cars, the car that i was in was hit by three bullets, two on my door, one on the window, one of the door, and one on the hood of the car. so this is obviously an incident that should not be happening on a coordinated mission in a designated area where we have been instructed to wait let alone at all, jim i wonder in those circumstances, you coordinate in advance, so you're communicating with the idf. they know where you're going, why you're going there, you stay in the designated areas in the midst of this gunfire, did you have any ability to call the idf and say, hey, wait a second, we're caught in the middle of this >> the laid conroy convoy was an unwra vehicle and our security colleagues at the front there i know that they were in contact with israel during this incident or in the
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wake of it? i'm not sure if they were able to do it immediately during the fire because it was so sudden and quite rapid >> has the idf reached out to provide any explanation as to what happened here are responded to your questions no unicef and other parties in the un have reached out to the relevant israeli authorities. but we are yet to receive a response and the response that we're really seeking, jim, is that this won't happen again, just seven, eight days after the world central kitchen incident to have something like this happen when the dialog it's been so much about preventing incidents like this, especially on coordinated missions. that's what we're after >> i spoke to you last week just after that deadly strike on the world central kitchen convoy, i asked you if you trusted then the idf's pronouncements that it would keep aid convoys safe. you told me then you didn't. and i
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wonder how you feel now, following this incident look, i think that it's clear that the system that is meant to protect humanitarian aid workers in the gaza strip >> is very broken and what we made is that system to be repaired with urgency so that more incidents like this don't keep happening, not just to us but to civilians as well. >> has there been any changes in the last week because i spoke with senior idf officials as well in the wake of the world central kitchen attack, they said that changes were coming, right? they acknowledge responsibility. they said changes were coming. there's some discussion of putting this reflective tape on the vehicles of aid convoys so it could easily spotted from the air, have you seen any measures like that taken >> i can't speak for the whole un or humanitarian community, but at unicef know we haven't seen a difference. we don't have that tape on our vehicles.
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we had this mission that was coordinated and we still run into this dangerous incident and extended delays that ultimately prevented us from completing the mission and taking these important life-saving supplies to the children that need them know when we haven't seen changed yet. and it's really needed urgently to make sure that hopefully as more trucks come in, as has been promised, that where a good to distribute that because these two things really go hand in hand, the delivery and the distribution. >> no question. so before we go, you mentioned that ade what happens to that aid? will it get delivered? >> we're hoping. so despite the incident, we're going to try again, hopefully this weekend, we're putting in another coordination request because it's just too important to give up. we've got treatment that we know can help the malnourished children in the north of gaza. and we desperately want to get it up there we'll test thanks so much for your time for joining us. as i said last time,