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at that lovely picture of the jefferson memorial at 6:00 a.m. here in washington. here's a live look at the jefferson memorial tidal basin. time, if ever, washington, dc. good morning, everyone. i'm jim acosta. and for kasie hunt, it's great to be with you it will here whoa, he day three of jury selection, resuming this morning and donald trump's hush money trial five ward jurors need to be seated before opening statements can begin, perhaps as early as monday. but the buzz is building about the former president's intentions when it comes to taking the stand that's where the will he or won't eat question comes in and trump claims he's all in to testify your client. yeah, i would testify. >> absolutely. it's a scam i'm testifying. i tell the truth. i mean, all i can do is tell the truth now we've heard

that before. if trump does decide to testify prosecutors already have a plan de alvin bragg and tends to attack his credibility by questioning him about his fraud and sexual abuse cases. let's bring it in conservative columnist scott jennings, four white house senior director, naira hoc and molly ball, senior political course one at the wall street journal. scott is also a cnn political. i work tribute or you work here? yes. >> we are conservative commentator. you to tell me, say, lots of things. now, scott, let me go to you first because i mean, one of the things i wanted to ask you about, let's put this up on screen. we have the truth social from donald trump yesterday 5:00 p.m. he was posting about this. he's quoting jesse waters noted humorist over at fox. he says they are catching undercover liberal activists line to the judge in order to get on the trump jury. this kind of dovetails scott with what trump was saying, what was outside the bodega the other day when they were asking him, do you think you'll get a fair jury and he basically he said, well, i'll let you know after the trial is over. it's sort of like i know it's a fair

election if i win, what's going on there? >> well, i think i think he has a basic assumption that he's being railroaded at every step of the process. he thinks that about the judge. he obviously would think that about jury selection process as well. i don't know if that's true or not. i mean, it only takes one person in a jury for a criminal defendants. so i don't know if that's true or not. we'll see how it plays out. i mean, i look when this whole thing started, there were a whole bunch of people on the left and the right who said they thought it was weak case that it did not rise the level of a felony, that this is not something that should have been indicted the way that it was you never know, maybe a juror in there that agrees with them? yeah. >> do you worry about how this case may play out and whether this could end up being a gift to trump at the end of the day, if there's 88 indictments out there like this, this is one of many and probably the one that people feel is least serious this is joe da's talked about this being tied to election interference. it's not nearly the same type of election interference that we associate with calling up the state

senator and demanding that yeah, that's a secretary of state. find a couple of thousand votes that that is a gravity of interfering and democracy. but no one told trump that he had to run while under federal indictment and 88 charges. this is something he's choosing to do and getting attention for it. yeah. molly, i mean, getting back to that truth social post. >> he's already kind of charming the waters for his base. >> it sounds like to just sort of discount whatever happens in this case if there's conviction and they're going to say, okay, well, yeah, it did not hear this thing. the judge waters was saying and trump was saying that there were liberal activists getting on the jury. >> well, and i was at the trump trial earlier this week in the courtroom watching the jury selection process, which was fascinating for how sort of simultaneously normal and abnormal it wasn't the same time right? on the one hand, you have this hours and hours of questions thing about impartiality and it's a very routine process that happens in criminal courtrooms every day on the other hand, as one of trump's lawyers said in that process, most defendants, when

you get called for jury duty, you're going to have no idea who they are. this guy, everybody knows, everybody has an opinion about and we repeatedly had jurors confronted with years old social media post that they had made mostly anti-trump raised to question whether they could be impartial. so i think there's a question about whether trump is in violation of the gag order when he makes posts like that because one of the things he's not supposed to do is disparaged the jurors and he has been a little bit cautious about that in his public comments, but not when he makes posts like that. so then that's a pending motion before the judge is whether he's in violation of that. >> yeah. and scott george conway wrote a piece for the atlantic reflecting on this of the trial. so far we described the trial as what he says ordinary despite being so extraordinary, he said frankly that was comforting that ordinary mechanics of the criminal litigation process were applied fairly efficient. since efficiently and methodically to a defendant of unparalleled notoriety. i mean, i guess there's a little bit of a civics lesson for the public and all of this, they're

getting to watch unfold. yeah, absolutely. and now we don't cameras in the courtroom, but we're just going about talking about that's what you would want to happen here. it shouldn't matter who you are in the criminal justice system. everybody should get the same fair trial. everybody should get the same kind of a justice system, whether you're famous or whether you're not famous and i agree with you. molly, i think everybody is going to have an opinion about trump, but that should be independent of your opinion about the facts and the law and people you're picking jurors because you want them to be able to separate your emotional reaction to somebody vs versus what their duty is as a sworn juror and hopefully they're getting it that trump deserves no more or no less than any other american who is indicted for something at any jurisdiction and that's what you would hope at the end of this, everybody would say, well, it was a fair process to jurors in fairly and impartially and impartial that that's the goal here, is parents. >> he actually works to trump's benefit in this case because if you look at the racial disparities involved in the american justice system,

otherwise, plenty of people who sit there and think they did not get a fair trial because of those biases at the scrutiny and public attention here is probably working to trump's benefit hi mean, trump spent the other day campaigning outside that bodega are showing that a few moments ago in the previous hour, we were showing how he was meeting with the president of poland. >> there sort of like-minded on a lot of things. president phones at nationalist, although polish president, i think trying to persuade trump to get on board with aid to ukraine but he is a bit hamstrung. is he not. he can't really get out and campaign quite as much i mean, if he's gotta be sitting in that courtroom every day, what do they think inside the trump orbit about whether this is ultimately a political liability for the former problem president in this campaign, the longer this drags out, he obviously doesn't like it yeah. but he's still got he's got wednesdays and he's got weekends and he can do things like the bodega appearance the other day where he's using new york city as a

backdrop. >> and i think frankly quite effectively to call attention to it's interesting to hear him talk about crime, talk about law and order at the same time as he's a criminal defendant. but the purpose of that visit really to say they're prosecuting the wrong alleged criminals, right? that the criminals that alvin bragg should be going after are the ones that are affecting people's quality of life, affecting bodega owners like the one who are workers like the one who was stabbed at this place in harlem. so he's able to use it to highlight his issues. and rather than sort of a separation between defendant trump and candidate trump, they're really one in the same and that i think is what you see in a split screen like this that throughout the primary, he used the indictments against him to fuel his neck live of victimization and grievance and the weapon, the so-called weaponization of the deep state or so, or whatever so i think we're going to see him continue to do that. and the question is going to be whether a general election audience is

as sympathetic to that as the primary base was sky. >> there's a lot of bodega is in manhattan, affirmed that no shortage there's there. you get the egg, egg and cheese sandwich. those, those are delightful. i mean, i have lots of experience in that area myself, and yet they're not here. they're not here next time good point, good point. >> we'll fix that in post, but but scott, i mean, what about what molly was saying a few moments ago? i mean, it is a bit isn't a bit something to go up to a bodega? in harlem and complain about crime when he is on trial accused of a crime. >> well, here's among several cases that are i mean, his view is is that his trials are invalid, that there political that he's being persecuted by the criminal justice system for merely running for president in being the political enemy of democrats that's in there diverting all these resources away from him, or wait to towards him and away from the actual crime. >> i mean, that is the argument. and, you know what i think if you pulled it just the way i just said it pretty darn near get 100% of republicans that would agree with it, even

the ones who don't like him that much. >> yeah. i mean, we go like you talked about white-collar crime and how people with money today tend to get away with the system and know how to move money around and make that work. i think that would most of these bodega workers would understand that this is accountability that is long overdue all right, guys lots of talk about scott was asking before we got started this yes, you are here for the whole hours. >> you're not going anywhere. so hang in there, standby hi other republican-led impeachment effort that failed before it got started to take a look at this it didn't last long. we'll talk about that just a few moments also, how won a congresswoman is threatening both the republican house speaker and his plan to pass aid for america's allies. you can see we're talking about right there and thousands evacuated after a volcanic eruption in indonesia there's new ally in the fight against climate change. >> this is new car business blue carbon. >> we just need to protect

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>> here is more of their joint statement does from the republican side of the house, secretary mayorkas, it says alongside president biden has used nearly every tool at his disposal to engineer the greatest unitarian aid. national catastrophe at our borders in american history let's talk about this further molly, i mean, this was this was we will go back to the liz truss and the lettuce or maybe it's the scare of munshi. scary was what, 11 days. this is what, one tenth or one 11th of a scare. >> this did not last long. >> it did not, at least not in the senate, it took the house awhile to get to this point and they even failed the to vote for this impeachment at one point. >> but i think the inclusion of president biden in that statement that you just read really gives the game away the beef that the republicans have on capitol hill is with president biden and his border policies. and you've heard we've heard even some republicans, especially in the senate, say impeaching homeland security secretary isn't going to do anything to change the border policies that they

object to it's not you could just get another homeland security secretary in there who would behave exactly the same way in terms of carrying out those policies that they object to. i think the republicans have successfully forced immigration onto the agenda. they got the white house to come to the table and negotiate last year. they've made it a top of my they've helped make it a top of mind issue for a lot of american i can voters. but this impeachment was never going to go anywhere given the makeup of the senate. and again, the skepticism that even a lot of republicans shared about whether this historic gesture, this historic impeachment of a cabinet secretary, which hasn't happened in over 100 years, whether that was actually warranted given given the underlying charges they are. >> go ahead and the irony is that the house actually did come up with a compromise border solution and that was deep six by the same people who negotiated it, because president trump did not want biden and his administration to have any type of positive action on border policy? the

idea that this. was an engineered crisis, that anybody rob public and our democrat wants thousands of undocumented families hanging out at the us border is a bit of an exaggeration when this is a true humanitarian crisis caused by challenges that are happening in central america how different administrators? we shouldn't handle people once they get there is up for debate and discussion, but we haven't seen anything other than the impeachment moved by the gop to actually solve the problem. >> yeah. i mean, they did have a chance to pass a bipartisan immigration bill. >> yeah. and do it. >> joe biden had a chance for three years to care about this issue and he's started to care about it when it started creeping up in the polls, when republicans started making a big deal of it. look if, if biden had to lick a sense, he would have fired my orcas a long time ago to show the american people that he cares about this more than just talking about it in an election year, but he didn't do that. and if my orcas had any shame, he would have resigned for his failures.

>> this impeachable was always doomed to fail if they want, they can always count on the senate democrats to do though do stuff they're going to later regret because dismissing this impeachment without having a trial, without looking at the evidence, unprecedented in the history of the senate someday in the future, they are going to regret this may not be in the next couple of years. i promise you just like they they have lived with it on judges someday in the future, they're going to regret setting a precedent of chucking an impeachment without looking at any of the evidence. >> but do you think that that warranted an impeachment? >> look, he impeachment of the cabinet member favors on what a century believe he lied to to congress about the border being secure. >> they believe he is refusing to enforce existing, you precedent. you can set a precedent in the sense that okay. now, when there's a certain party and the white house and there's a certain in party in the congress, there's just going to start impeaching cabinet members. how do you run a goal might just do that one of the political differences, one, is it a political difference to not enforce the

law and delight of congress? or is that, is that something that if you were a member of the us house, you would take seriously no matter what party was in the white house. i mean, this guy problem is, is that he misrepresented what they were doing. they don't believe he was enforcing the law and they don't think his boss cares. and they had no other recourse. and that's what they did if there are several other policy recourse is that they had other than trying to do an impeachment that ultimately wasn't to go anywhere. right. the actual negotiations and discussions, the enforcing, getting more judges to adjudicate these situations. they all of this, these are all possibilities that again, actually showed up in congress that biden came to the table to negotiate and discuss. and ultimately were dismissed in favor of a dramatic impeachment. are you? >> thank border policy is complex and kind of boring at the end of the day. >> it is not nearly as exciting or politically fashionable as going after a cabinet member. >> it's not all that complex. joe biden, on day one eliminated all of donald trump's policies on the

border. >> he campaign. >> he campaign and raised his hand just like every other democrat prison the central candidate on. sure. come here, will give me a free health care. >> this absolutely was the i'm not sure everybody that is going to regret it. you're going to take it here. you're going to regret it. >> i get back. >> i was in the white house in the obama administration to watch the campaign. >> where did you watch the debates prices first started, the unaccompanied children cry yes, that's right. >> children getting on trains coming north. and what do you do with minors who show up at the border and they say, we're in danger and where do you even put them? do you put them with homeland security? do you put them with the military's? you put them with health and human services. so they're real lives and challenges at stake. there are root causes for why people are coming north. gang violence, climate change, and agriculture disaster. there are ways to solve it that do not involve impeach. >> you forget and don't forget lyrical appointed. >> there are root causes called

joe biden eliminated all of donald trump's policies don't forget one of those policies that they got rid of was the family separation policy that even some members of trump's own family were condemning are you i'm old enough to remember silver and showing up at the border. do you see the video this is what this is what they wanted. >> and now they have it. and now the american people are mad about it. and now they're scrambling for a political solution. my orcas they did, they did have they did have a bill, a bipartisan bill. >> you remember the state of the union speech when senator lankford from oklahoma was sort of agreeing president biden i mean, one of the most conservative senators and congressmen. i'm not disagree. >> when you talk about the trump policy, the build the wall that actually that money and that building still maintained under the pentagon funding today. what do what do we do with people who come across now versus what did trump do they end up getting detained. >> i mean, detention is still part of my remain in mexico. detention is still policy. now, do they get processed?

>> now, this is something that goes back to john mccain, john mccain and the gang of eight who wanted to say, listen if there's going to be legal process, give the lawyers give the judges who can actually move people through the system. >> what is this waiting six months, but problem move them through the system for, what i mean, that's the problem. that's what the american people were mad about joe biden solution to this is where does not doing the paperwork fast enough and what the american people are saying is no, we don't want any more coming across until we can get a handle on this overwhelmed border. that is the difference of opinion. not that we're not doing the paperwork fast enough. i don't think it's gonna be able to win on where where are you gonna send people, leave them at the border. that's a way home, not here away, send them back to where they came from, and that's what that's what any pole will tell you. >> that does not involve paperwork. everything in american life, unfortunately, requires paperwork. well, that's not american so does it have to i mean, could you have a more secure border than to say it? well, sorry, we lost the favorable don't forget. i will wrap it up with i mean,

clearly the american people can see that all poles, they agree with you to some degree, scott, that that's something needs to be done down the border. another under-reported factors that the economy has been doing so well in this country in terms of the way companies are doing right now, because of the influx of migrants into the country, i will say that that has also been referred republicans who do support migration, farmers, farmers who say department of labor, give us the visas, let us move people in and out. >> we don't want to be paying people illegally and under the table, we need this for our agriculture sector. so yes, that also comes down to paperwork. >> yeah. >> i don't have a problem with i guess you want to end it. >> well, i got to do some paperwork here. we got some bills to pay pay the bills, but we'll keep keep this discussion going now, a great discussion coming up next, i'll president biden's plan to counter the chinese steel industry that'll be a good discussion. stay tuned for that plus new images of the destruction left by some severe storms across ohio will show you that as well coming up cnn

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statements could begin as early as monday. that means things are humming along they certainly picked up pace, jim, on tuesday one court adjourned, and then it was off yesterday for menn and three women picked for the jury so far and like you just said, the judge said, you need to report back on monday. >> it's possible opening statements. will happen then, but of course, this schedule is very fluid. they got to pick five more jurors process is picking up in court starts up again today at 9:30. so what's going to happen? the 96 pool, a 96 people will come back and they've already been sworn in and they'll have to weed through that process of trying to find those extra jurors and some alternatives. now remember, once they come in, the judge is going to ask them, can they be i'm biased and can they listened, you know, can they basically just listen to the rule of the law here and last time more than 50 of those people who came in, prospective jurors said they couldn't and they left. so we'll see how that sort of weeds out today. in addition to that, after that

process has gone through, remember they have that 42 questions that they have to answer. where did they get their news? have they ever attended a trump rally? do they have opinions about the former president, those sorts of questions have to be answered. and then from there, that's when the prosecution and the defense are going to be able to ask more pointed questions. now, remember, both sides get ten strikes, but with this last batch of jurors, each side has used six of those strikes, so they have four remaining to try to find these remaining jurors. so it's going to be another interesting day in court, and it is moving quickly if they do find those five jurors, it's very possible. this criminal child, this historic criminal trial, gets started on monday. them wow, that will be a fascinating all right. so much for things taking too long. all right. beringia and grass. thank you so much with donald trump tied up in court, president biden continues a three-day campaign swing through battleground, pennsylvania. the president heads to philadelphia today to push us economic message yesterday, president biden was in pittsburgh where he called on his administration to wrap i should up pressure on the

chinese steel industry the prices are unfairly low because china's still companies don't need to worry about making a profit because the chinese government has subsidizing them settlement they're not competing there. >> cidi right now, my us trade representative is investigating trade practices by the chinese government regarding steel and aluminum if that invested in confirms these anticompetitive trade practices, then i'm called on her to consider tripling the tariff rates for both still aluminum for some time tariffs on china. >> where have we heard that before? our panelists back and scott, i mean, it just underlines how critically important states like pennsylvania michigan, wisconsin are going to be at the end of the de in this campaign. and he is, i mean, this is not borrowing a page from trump's playbook. this is taken in trump's white book. >> yeah, those states are critical. those industries are critical and then just communicating with a blue collar workers that you are

watching out for them in the face of this unfair competition is something that biden. he's got to stop the bleeding. i mean, this is the sorting that's going on in this election. the suburbs and college-educated sort of flowing towards biden. much of all these blue collar workers flowing out of the democratic party. and towards trump. and a lot of it has to do with the fact that trump said, when he came in, i'm going to throw all the republican free trade orthodoxy out the window and i'm going to only worry about you and what these other countries are doing to us and taken advantage of us yeah, that's what biden is responding to and i guess some of these guys will say better late than never. my guess is they'll wonder whether he really means it, given its just kinda now coming up in the context of an election. >> well, and molly, the president also suggested the administration might stop the acquisition of steel by a us do by a japanese company, which is a huge huge issue but again, it underlines, i think this battle, i mean, we've seen the president out there on the picket line with the auto workers i mean, he is really

fighting for those voters and those battleground states because the whole election might come down to what 10,000 voters in michigan, 20,000 and pennsylvania. >> yeah, exactly. well, and i think as scott was saying, this is part of the sort of populist realignment that we've seen in this country, right? it used to be that both parties would sort of pay lip service to this populist view on trade. they'd, they'd campaign against nafta then they get an office and they would pursue free trade policies. and that was true of republicans and democrats. and it was really i think trump who actually an office pursued much less free trade policies. and now we see biden continuing those, those tariff policies. interestingly, know, it may be exacerbating the inflation that we've seen. it may not actually be good for the economy to be continuing these tariff policies. but it is certainly it's something that as scott was saying, i think union workers, blue-collar workers are very on the right

place i can't talk this morning but this is zaidi. >> there's a lot of anxiety and collar workers and retirees these in these rust belt snake can do something about it. you can't bring down inflation fast stuff. >> maybe you do have to sort of go where some of these voters are and they, they, they are, they want to see the president go after china and go after it. >> yes, because they're, they're also concerned about what are the jobs of the future look like, right? >> and that's part of where this competition, which china work on the house select committee on these issues, the competition with china doesn't have to be one based in fear, we're constantly throwing up barriers and tariffs. it could also be one based in us innovation electronic vehicles, the market here, making sure that the chinese vehicles aren't flooding it, that these are american manufacturers that chips being able to have relationships with places like vietnam and elsewhere to get the resilience in the supply chain. and of course investing in our own research and

technology here. the power is here. the idea is how do you connect people who are traditional union workers with that sense of positivity and connect into these jobs those of the future. >> all right, guys, great discussion on that coming up. house speaker mike johnson risking his job over four and eight will democrats come to the rescue and save him? plus what two boeing whistleblowers are revealing about the company's safety standards more breaking news, we need to share with you this morning multiple wildfires burning in the texas panhandle a government shutdown is still on the calendar so central. next thinking i'm thinking about her honeymoon. but what africa so far, hot air balloon ride, swim with elephants. >> three, four to safari, great question. >> like everything takes a little planning for what the mentor is a down payment on a ranch in montana with horses.

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johnson has laid out his plan to pass foreign aid bills that include money for ukraine, the plan and his speakership are now threatened by hardliners within his own party who want to oust him over that ukraine aid vote. republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene who has repeatedly echoed russian disinformation about the war is leading that charge. this is how her gop colleagues, dan crenshaw characterize that push i guess their reasoning is they they want russia to win so badly that they want to, as the speaker over at amine, as a strange position is and joining me now is former democratic congresswoman and chair of the commission on the national defense strategy. >> jane harman so great to talk to you. >> thank you so much for joining us. i mean, that was dan crenshaw republicans saying that your what's your reaction to? this debate that has been playing out and how the speakership has been threatened essentially as dan crenshaw was saying over whether or not

russia is going to get the upper hand over the ukrainians in that war well let's start with the irony that our former president is on trial in a courtroom in new york and american leadership is on trial on the floor of the house of representatives. >> that's a lot of trials. i think what crenshaw said is right, the big problem is that kevin mccarthy, in order to become speaker eva way all the power of the speaker. so my view is if johnson is not removed over this, it will be something else he's hanging by a thread. the good news is he's doing the right thing. i wish he were putting the senate bill on the house floor so that there would be no conference. and this thing could move faster. and i do understand and that there's still a move to have a discharge petition signed by a majority of members of the house that would force that to happen. but meanwhile, at least putting the money bills, four, three important international crises on the

floor hopefully at the same level of the senate bill is a big move forward and i know that former speaker pelosi called that courageous. i would call it a little bit less than courageous. i would call that his efforts to survive and congressman i want to play for you this moment from a house oversight hearing yesterday and then get your reaction. let's listen to this there's frequent pictures all over anybody can find them of nazis here they are this looks like something you'd see out of hitler's germany from ukraine. >> stop bringing up nazis and hitler the only people who know about nazis and hitler are the 10 million people and their families who lost their loved ones generations of people who were wiped out. it is nuff of this disgusting behavior using nazis as propaganda

congressman, your reaction to that because i mean, one thing we should point out to reviewers that is russian disinformation. >> they have said this time and again about there being nazis and ukraine, it is

>> information and the right answer is to fund courageous ukrainians, whatever their religion is, who are fighting not only for their freedom but for our freedom, don't we understand that putin's next move? if he wins in ukraine is heading to europe to nato countries, we are a member of nato. they will invoke article five and we will be at war with our boots on the ground in europe. and this is not something we should wish for. this is a tiny little micro share of our budget to spend on our aerospace here, to replenish the assets that they will shipped to ukraine. there replenishment will be higher technology than what ukraine is getting a lot of those assets are already in europe and can get to ukraine quickly. i was just there two weeks ago. what i saw was ukraine making its own drones, very inexpensive for short reign drones, longer-range drones tanks and

they're all they don't have anti jammy equipment for the drones and they don't have air cover. >> those are the two things they need. and those are the two things we can ship immediately. and shame on us. we promised to do a majority of congress in both parties supports doing and, and that disinformation is just, it has no place in the house of representatives. >> and congress. i did want to pivot very quickly to israel. and what you think the president should be contemplating. we're heading into another weekend. we saw what took place last weekend the president said to the prime minister benjamin netanyahu, take this as a win that you were able to essentially stop all of those missiles and drones just about all of them from inflicting any major damage inside of israel. how do you think the president of the administration should proceed from here? >> well take this as a win. i hope bibi netanyahu understands what the president said. it's not just that 99% of the

missiles and drones were shot down. but it is that a coalition shot them down. there was layered intelligence. many countries contributed including some in the middle east jordan, and saudi arabia, kudos to them. but so the defense assets used, we're also contributed on a joint basis. that's israel hasn't had that since october 7. now, has that and it is very important to keep that coalition together, not just for the short-term, but for the long-term term there is a vision of peace in the region. i strongly supported and president biden does two and it is responsible governments in all of these states definitely not hamas, definitely not hamas leadership, but responsible governments working toward a way where there are two states living side-by-side in peace that's the best guarantee if israel security getting there tomorrow is not going to happen. but getting their long-term and figuring out a

way that the whole region can contain iran, which is the only way around is going to be contained, is the right policy. and i do commend president biden for his leadership role in hoping that israel gets it that theight tng to do is to work with coalition on a >> well, congresswoman jane harman. thank you so much for ining us. this woman. this morning. we really apprecie it. goodtalk to you all dozen meers ofheennedy a n for presidenwith one e notable exception. of cose, robert f. kennedy jr. one of rfk juniors, sisters will open for biden at a campaign stop in philadelphia, here's part of her speech. she says this, i can only imagine how donald trump's outrageous lies and behind hey, there would have horrified my father, robert f. kennedy, who proudly served as the attorney general of the united states. and auditors his pledged to uphold the law and protect the country and my panel is back scott one of the

things that i think is just so fascinating about this rfk junior candidacy is it's not exactly clear how this is going to cut. there's some of the trump forces, just the other day, we're going after rfk junior, which is kind of an indication that okay. maybe this somewhere the polling data, some states somewhere along the way, rfk junior might be hurting trump, but obviously the kennedy family coming out as a big deal for the president because they're worried about this. oh, yeah. yeah. you've seen both campaigns. exhibit some worry about this move. i mean, the democrats, when kennedy announced his running mate, i mean, they're out there peddling opposition research to each other on shanahan. i mean, they're obviously worried about it. but i'm sure i think kennedy could reasonably be expected to take votes from people that both campaigns might otherwise expect to get. you can see it in the polling when you test these guys head-to-head and you get a pretty close race when you throw him on the ballot. and these routinely getting ten,

11, 12% and they both dropped. and there's some surveys where he drags them both down below 40%. >> yeah. and so obviously there there are people he's attracting that would, that would flow to both and now, will that be the case in the fall? i mean, when people really get down to brass tacks here, yeah. i don't know yet it's still it's still kind of early in third-party candidacies tend to, tend to dip a little bit over time. yeah. >> ross perot had a couple of moments i mean, back in those elections, 1992, and i think to some extent 1996 where more 92. when bill clinton was elected president, where he was a serious contender, serious threat. >> and then at the end of the day ended up hurting george hw bush and helping bill clinton become president but so it is notable that the biden campaign is doing this, getting all the kennedys out there. oh, the big picture here is that these are two candidates who are broadly disliked and a lot of americans would like some other option hypothetically, the problem that all third party candidates end up having is that those,

that big, amorphous group? group of voters who would like hypothetically, some kind of third choice don't necessarily agree on what it is. and when they learn more about rfk in his positions, whether it's democrats who might like the kennedy name, but then they learned that he's got these sort of cookies sort of right-wing coded views about conspiracy theories or what have you, they may or they see biden being endorsed by the kennedy family. maybe they peel away and then when trump supporters, here are some of the liberal stances that rfk has taken. he is a democrat. historically, he did at one point seek the democratic nomination and most of his positions are more on the liberal sayyed, he's an environmentalist. maybe they peel away as well. so i will be interested to see see if his vote share grows before it shrinks. >> what usually happens if there is a name recognition challenge here as well? >> all right, well, as you mentioned, the two unpopular candidates and the kennedy name has a stature and has representation in american political mythology. so being able to pull that energy

towards biden is it will not hurt him in the end. yeah. living off the kennedy stature today is one thing, but when he's actually exposed to the elements of a presidential campaign, my suspicion is, should it be on a debate stage? do you think he's pulling ten or 12%? should it be up there with trump and biden on a debate stage, he does represent a very interesting mishmash of what used to be separate political ideologies the fact that an environmentalist is now anti-vax, right? like the connection, the disconnect between science and expertise that exists and american population right now is right there with robert kennedy, little bit of a disconnect. >> yeah. but you know, i hear this nostalgia all the time for the era of the kennedys, right? >> and from the kennedy library get up in boston. i mean, any american who wants to go see a fascinating presidential library, every that to me is just, it's incredible visit. >> yeah, and people think of it as a time and america when we could come together and be inspired and find common purpose and maybe if you lived through it, it wasn't exactly like that, but i think that that's a huge asset for him and it