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visit coventry three direct.com this is gps, the global public square the world. >> i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live we'll begin today's program with the war in ukraine and the american congress's ability to affect it. yesterday, the house passed a bill that will send much needed aid there how will it change kyiv's fortunes? i'll talk to president zelenskyy is key aide. andriy yermak then is the for tat between israel and iran over at least for now? and what happens to gaza after the war the foreign minister of jordan will be my guest also the great
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actor michael douglas joins me to talk about his latest starring role. >> playing america's first diplomat. benjamin franklin but first, here's my take bill maher recently set on his show that the 2024 election was going to be four over two issues. immigration and abortion. >> the party that best navigates these cultural battlefields is likely to prevail in november each party has an advantage, the democrats on abortion and the republicans on immigration roe v. wade energized generations of conservative voters who felt deeply on the issue. >> and we're also outraged that courts had taken the question out of the democratic process now, it's abortion rights voters who are energized, fueled by states like arizona that are putting in place draconian restrictions on abortion with the margins small in many swing states abortion could be the issue that brings out suburban women
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who could tilt those states blue in november on the other hand, the republican party is now led by donald trump, who on this issue as on many others is supremely opportunistic trump, of course, proudly supported abortion rights for years until he started floating with the political career with the republican party at which point he reversed course fondly now that he sees it as politically problematic, he is shifting his stance once again. he has criticized arizona's abortion ban,& this pledged not to sign a national abortion ban if reelected. it might seem hard for him to backtrack. he's loudly and repeatedly taken credit for the repeal of roe v. wade. and touted his anti-abortion credentials but donald trump seems to be able to say anything and even do anything without losing the cult like following he has with republican voters he can appeal to the middle ground certain that his base will stay with him joe biden on the other
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hand, does not have the fanatical following the trump does he has constructed a coalition carefully appealing to different groups with specific policies if he loses, one of these groups, his team fears that the math will not add up come election day but he needs to risk it and get tougher on immigration. it has become a proxy for all kinds of issues where people feel that elites simply don't get the concerns of average people and their concerns are rooted in real facts on the ground america has taken in huge numbers of immigrants over the last five decades in 1970, foreign born people made up 5.7% of the country as of 2020, that number is 15.3%. and it's not just america and sweden. that number went from 6.6% in 1970 to 90 teen 0.8% in 2020 in the uk from 5.3% to 13.8% as i
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noted, my new book, age of revolutions, the western world has seen a wave of unprecedented migration considering the numbers and the cultural differences of the immigrants people have actually been remarkably tolerant. what has changed recently is the sense that immigration is now happening without any legitimate process with the system being gamed and laws being broken when syrian migration and gulf, europe and 2015 angular merkel arbitrarily waived the usual procedures and germany alone talking about 900,000 asylum seekers from several countries. it is not a coincidence that the influx was followed by brexit and the rise of right-wing populist in many european countries in both the eu and the united states, gangs and cartels have recognized that they can game the asylum system by bringing in economic migrants who claim asylum and thus get the right to stay, have legal hearings and
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eventually work last fiscal year, nearly 1 million people applied for asylum in the in the eu last year, that number was more than 1.1 million the waves of recent migrants have produced problems as anyone on the ground can confirm from new york city to our passer to stockholm sweden, today's home to one of the highest gun crime death rates in europe and it's not a coincidence that it's 2nd largest political party now is one that traces its roots to world war ii era, fascism the biden administration has made the case that it has put in place a set of well-crafted policies to limit asylum seekers that it needs congressional action to do more and that republicans want this problem to fester so they can reap its electoral benefits all true but biden must show that he can fight he should declare a national security emergency. send the national guard to the
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border, work with congress to suspend the asylum process entirely and propose a new one. on the basically makes it impossible to get asylum if you just show up at the border many will scream and it will be challenged in court. but it will signal that joe biden is taking the problem really seriously. bill clinton often says that the american people don't always need you to succeed. but they want to catch you trying joe biden needs to be caught trying to solve the immigration crisis go to cnn.com slash opinions to read my com this week and cnn.com com slash fareed for a link to buy my new book, age of revolutions, which i very much hope you will get and let's get started the bill was passed one
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voting present cheers from the floor of the us house of representatives as it handed ukraine a lifeline by passing a bill that allocates more than $60 in aid to the fight. >> again, it's russia. the senator is expected to pass it this week before president biden signs it into law it is the first major eight package for ukraine in well over a year. and it comes at a vital time as moscow inches forward in the east and kyiv's forces appear outmanned and outgunned last night, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy said, the funding would be used to bring adjust end to this war of war that putin must lose joining me from kyiv is unrwa yermak. he is a key member of president zelenskyy is inner circle and heads the president's office unread pleasure to have you on first, let me ask you. now that
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this aid has passed do you expect to see results in the field very quickly? i know you were on the frontlines yesterday hello. >> i'm happy to be today in your show and yes, of course. thank you very much for these questions and i'd like to start to express the words of gratitude for the congress, for the house of representatives, for the yesterday historical decisions. the world. so gratitude to the american people to the president biden and his administration's it's significance for us. and of course, no doubt that it's increased. our odds to defeat the aggressors, especially now then we listen and see that the
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rash preparing for the new who come through offensive and of course now the equations and we are looking that the inset that it will wall to as quick as possible, beginning of next week. and of course after will be signed by presidents. president biden and delete three of this so important weapons will be very three because i can repeat that. it's really momentum and it's really very origin thank you so much andrew. what are the weapons? you need the most? >> and are they new ones like the long-range at occam's and mostly do you still need planes because you still the great challenge ukraine has. >> you do not have control of the air you're absolutely
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right. >> and we will see i can to least it. what is origin we need we need to add arminius so we need at occam's missiles, we need drones we need electronic warfare yes we are really have the problems in our sky more air defense, especially missiles for the bathrooms and it's better you'll system itself because we unfortunately protected, our ct and protect our people. >> you know, that we have the attack practically every day and every night in such ct
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lives, zaporizhzhia, kharkiv, like here saw on live mykola i have like this and of course, this is what we need. a need very quick, because it's cost lives of our people the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov said that cargill is next i you expecting i russian attack on card games and are you prepared for it? you know, these people from kremlin, a lot of set during these two years. but ukraine never be occupied i mean, fully ukraine never be pupae. it's by russian aggressors. it's impossible. and first of all, it's
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impossible because our great nation is continuing to find things and now, after yesterday's decisions of the house would fray present that this of course held fast to be more strong and of course, our heroes in the prompt lines and the people in many cities, of ukraine is continue to find to find of course yes, we know about that russia not stop to planning to to continue their aggressive policy against ukraine. they still not recognized our a and they not recognize. and one, not be
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ready to accept the existence of ukrainian nations and what more? increase and back to the soviet union period of the influence, its mean that he wanted negotiate, he wants dominate but he will not receive this and not this goal because ukrainians so during these two years together the partners that it's impossible, democracy will win ukraine when i'm sure about agree or mac pleasure to have you on as always. thank you, sir thank you. >> thank you very much. and thank you. on america next on gps, the foreign minister of jordan, we'll talk to me about the tit-for-tat between iran and israel and the war in gaza
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people have been killed in the previous 24 hours joining me to discuss it all is the deputy prime minister of jordan and minister of foreign affairs, ayman safadi as the minister, pleasure to have you on. >> so let me first ask you whether you agree with the assessment that yvonne versus israel the tensions are de-escalating or do you still worry that things could spiral back out of control good day to you, sarah, and thank you for having me before now, the latest round seems to have been contained everybody has done a lot of work too much to make sure that this does not spiral off into major regional coke that said, i think we all have to do a lot of work to make sure that we address the whole ecosystem all the causes of tension in the region and particularly the focus should remain on gaza, where you just said that the killing continues
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and the conflict doesn't seemed to offer any horizon for ending. >> so that needs to be the focus and that's where all of us need to be concentrating right now but do you believe that israel is going to be content with allowing the status quo as it is, as you know, there are people in israel who say they should settle scores with hezbollah that they need to deliver a blow up north a lot of israelis, almost 100,000 have left their homes in the north. >> is there a danger that that dynamic starts up now? >> absolutely. i mean, the one to benefit most from the latest escalation with iran was their israeli prime minister netanyahu, because it did help divert attention away from gaza& from the aggression that continues to rate to rage on the reality is that the tension remains high. and unless we are able to bring it into the war
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in gaza and creates a political horizon that would take us towards, a once and for all solution on the basis of the two-state solution danger of escalation remains there by intention or by ms miscalculation israelis are saying a lot of things. i mean, the israeli government, but what have, been doing and say gotten us other than more conflict, more tension, hatred, dehumanization. and destruction of the whole palestinian community in gaza. >> you point out that bibi netanyahu does benefit when the war goes in another direction. do you believe that bibi netanyahu will try to keep this war going because it keeps him an office and keeps avoid certain political and maybe legal problems. he has all indications point to that conclusion. he has said publicly that he's going to continue with the war on gaza, despite advice, even from his
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biggest supporter, which is the united states, voices from europe, from the region. we're all saying, stop this war. let's create a political path that will address the root cause of the issue that we'll he got on t peace and security for palestinians and israelis unfortunately the israeli prime minister continues to win the war on gaza, endangering does not just the palestinians endangering the whole region and hurting the interests of israel itself because the war is going to have to end and the dust will settle. and once that happens, we're all going to have to grapple with the reality where we've lost 30 years of efforts to normalize the ideal piece. so this is the challenge and we cannot have netanyahu doom the future of the region to more conflict nor can we we allow him to continue with this, with this war that is, again producing nothing but two or destruction, killing, and harming the interest of all, including the us, including europe, including all of us. the region what are you
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hearing with regard to the israeli attack on rafah? is it going to happen? is bb listening to the biden administration and many others who have cautioned him not to do it or is it just going to do it anyway? >> i mean, first of all, let me emphasize this attack should be prevented no matter what it will produce, nothing butter. but a massacre, giving the concentration of the people, giving the already miserable reality that the war on gaza has created unfortunately, again, all statements coming out from israel is indicating that netanyahu's going i'm going to go ahead with that war. he's not listened to the us on even less significant issues pertaining to allowing more aid into gaza and the siege of gaza and the use of weapons as starving palestinians so it looks like netanyahu is sending all signals that he's going to attack refer all of us should weigh down heavily on the israeli government not to do
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that because again, that will just drag a small into the mud than and this madness will manifest itself. and even more dangerous ways than we have seen thus far. >> how what is this situation? meanwhile on the west bank, because jordan monitors that, that piece of this very carefully because of course, you are doing it. is it your sense that things are pretty tense there with, with the new palestinians and israelis? >> but facts speak for themselves. they're, we've seen over the last 24 hours major attack him to told kerem resulting in the killing and wounding of tens of palestinians. we've seen settler terrorism continuing in the past few days. we've seen multiple settler attacks resulting again in deaths and injuries we seek continuation of land confiscation. we see only yesterday announcement of legalizing more outpost. so to put a chore, the situation and those bank is boiling we're at the edge. and again if those
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bank explodes, we're talking about a different nightmare here, a bigger nightmare. and not just the killing of the political horizon, but the actual measures on the ground are pushing these tuition to his explosion. and that is again, something that needs to be avoided working very closely with the us, with europeans. and we're communicating to the israelis directly and we're coordinating with the palestinian authority to make sure we do not get to that dangerous point. but unfortunately okay. again, netanyahu is not lessening radicals and his government continue with pushing the agenda towards more conflict was more incitement and the danger is still real and if that danger hits us, then again, it's going to involve us or near tamar catastrophic conditions in the region i. only, have a little bit of time left. but i do want to ask you, jordan is 50% roughly palestinian. you feel these pressures most strongly people
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are radicalized. is there a possibility that jordan will break relations with israel on its opposite? patients in gaza we will do whatever we believe will help in the swore will help press on attract towards peace. >> we did recall our ambassador from israel but i think what we keep focused on here in jordan is do what we've always done, which is tried to work for a just and lasting peace. it will fulfill the palestinians legitimate right to freedom and statehood and guarantee the security of israel. if we believe anything that we believe will help we will do. we don't believe ending the peace treaty is going to be helpful. i think that will only benefit radicals on the israeli side the israeli government that will just make the situation more tense. what we want to this piece, what we want as security for all, and you've seen the amount of pressure with commander during the latest escalation between israel and iran. and our message to both parties were
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>> and will 1987 film wall street three for lack of a better word is good his rich career in film and theater spans nearly 60 years he is now adding america's first diplomat to his list of roles for you meant to be an american. michael is currently storing as benjamin franklin and the apple tv plus series. >> franklin welcome sir. >> fareed. it is an honor to be here. i'm a big fan of your show, so thank you for having me. >> thank you. now it feels very appropriate because what you are portraying is not just franklin, but franklin at a moment of it is one of the great moments of diplomacy in history. tell us that's about that. >> well, it is in its one that don't seem to know that much about fact that i did not think we all have from our sixth grade education, we know the
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fact that had hardly any schooling at all, but two years of schooling left at 12 we know him as a publisher, a great, great writer, university of pennsylvania libraries, post offices, and all inventions. but when he was 70 right after they declared independence, they signed it and july 4, 17, 17766 weeks after that, the founding fathers get together as a ben we need you to go to france because general washington is suffering fighting the british now for more than a year, we're in bad shape, rag-tag army. you'd have low ships. they white shoe to go to france and wu louis the 16th, the largest monarchy and the world to support this little tiny democracy that america has just been formed and so he went over there and then ellipse belly eight years trying to move and could joel in with all of the complications that he assisted with spies and backstabber is
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and all that to get france to support america? and the truth be told if it was not for fred's support, we would not have had up america would have been a british colony for allow much lager. >> and he had no background in diplomacy, none. >> i mean, he was i think they'd probably picked him because he was a bit of a rock star who was very famous in france, particularly because of his experiments electricity and he was probably a bit of a seducer who is a quite a full adder were in his day, i wouldn't want to build his wife and when imbibe, it had this vast knowledge, but was just incredibly effective going over there when you portray powerful people portrayed gordon gekko, the great wall street tycoon. >> you portray these other characters, the american president and the american president. >> do you think that there's some common trait that power, that power. is there something you say to yourself? i've got a puff up my dino, is there something? the thing you do is
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actually it's the opposite fareed because with powerful people, the audience or the other people already know all about you so with like ben franklin he has this incredible resume. gordon gekko had this great resume president andrew shepherd, we were pleasant. so you can actually play against that because you're going to be the humble. i'll look at him for the echoes case, but it ben franklin, everything because the audience knows so much about you. you don't have to push so does strange way, it's become much more, little, more passively and let them come to you did you find that there was something about ben franklin, european actor sometimes say there's a trick, there's something that made me understand his personality either a gesture or voice or something. >> what do you was there something that was at the core of ben franklin, his curiosity, he had immense curiosity and he
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had the mindset to try to be able to complete a whole picture. >> i mean, the way i think of it as well, we all have ideas, but it's very few. we can take our ideas lengthened together to a full a full consensus. and in this area here reminds me a bill of elon musk. he had that same kind of wild imagination about taking things are impossible a good self-deprecating sense of humor, all that some differences of course, you are, you also have great curiosity and you have often i've noticed taken something from your roles and apply it to your real life. so very famously, your a very we're very active on nuclear non-proliferation and all that came out of the china syndrome, correct i read somewhere that you have taken from ben franklin, his love of marcus are religious. >> i have, i have i have become
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a stoic i've started doing a lot of really about stoicism and i'm very impressed and do thank you. thank benjamin franklin forgiving me that what what does it mean to you to be a stoic? >> well, it it's something somewhere between the paralysis and ethic and my my own judeo roots. but it basically involves being the best you could be every single day not reaching necessarily outside of yourself, but nurturing what is inside of yourself. and drawing the best everybody that your route and giving the best that you can give in the jewish faith, they have an expression called a new man, which means to repair the world would make a better place. and i we have to remember that stoicism 300 years bc was that was it. that was the major, major faith and christianity seem to push it to the side. but there's a lot of
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series, franklin on apple tv plus let's talk about age. >> your about president biden's age. you're doing fantastically. you look like 1 million bucks why don't you run for precedence i did the movie once, you know, but i knew he could ever attpt to who i kn. i had the ending difference. two, the happy ending. >> n they asked me to run for govern a coue of times in california earlier time. >> and i remember say, well, whe do you want me said, well, weeed a man who can financhis own campaign. so yeahwho has a credibility, notoriety, who is well-known around the rounds, everything and i rember say, you sure you're not looking for a kamikaze pilots. >> i sent i don't think so. so you and biden are about the same age would do do you think are you one of those people who wished he had about out let the let the field choose somebody else. how do you how do you think abt that >> wl i think i think that i
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walk a little simpler to him anthe people that i've talked to, everybody that i have say he sharpest attack. he's fired we all have an issue of memories as we get older, we forget names, sothing h's overcome a stellar life is sometimes he might but let's just say that his entire cabinet, including his vice president, everybody says cabinet would be more than happy to work with him again in the next term, i cannot say that about the other candidate running because nobody in his in his cabinet from 2016 wants to be involved with him. >> do you do you think when you everyone says yeah, he is okay now, but what's it going to be like the next four or five years? but you're you're going to work for the next four or five years, you're not requiring well, i'm not
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however, i will say we did franklin in 2022 and after 165 days of shooting for several months, i have since i took 23 off and we're going into 2,400, i must say i'm enjoying the time off. and i think he'll he'll be fine. thank you very much. we have this is probably the most important election of my lifetime. i share with my kids to the vietnam war. this is the most critical time in my lifetime, and i can remember where we're at right now. we need somebody in control and power who has some experience & knows how to work either global situation. the world you can't ask for one side for us to be active globally, but then internally say we're just going to isolate that's the work that way anymore i think this is a year also forced to really remind ourselves about local elections. and i figured we're going to adjust. we have to start from the bottom up,
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not the top. now, i think all of us who vote for presidents should be actively involved in our local elections two well, this is a honore and a pleasure. and what a career we are all in all view that you're very kd for reading and keep going, keep by and i can't wait to see you again on sunday. >> thank you, sir. >> thanks very much. >> next on gps a japanese company wants to take over an american institution that has been around since 1901 the white house doesn't like the idea i'll tell you what's going on when we return lead with jake tapper, we tasted four and cnn okay. everyone our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition her strength and energy ensure with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein hi i'm david and i
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recent figures put it at 27th among the world's steel producers. in december, us still agreed to a takeover by nippon steel, which offered to pay 40% over the stock price. nippon would inject innovation and efficiency into the ailing american company but the deal is in jeopardy. the steel workers union, a suspicious of the new management and opposes the acquisition. prominent republicans and democrats have come out against it, including president biden the deal could be blocked on national security grounds though it's strains credulity to say that a takeover by one of america's closest allies, it's present biden keeps saying poses a threat in fact, i would argue the dealers good for national security because it would bring much needed investment and expertise to bolster american steel production. with the merger, nippon would become the world's second-largest steel producer. able to compete with the industry's biggest players
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who are mostly chinese well, i recently spoke to the us ambaador to japan, rahm emanuel. and if you watched last week's show, you saw portion of our conversation already. but i also pressed him about the biden administration' 's position on this issue, which we didn't have time to air and i wanted to bring that to you now emmanuel, join me from north carolina where toyota is building a factory to produce electric batteries. here's our exchange mr. ambassador, you've talked about how japan is the pivotal ally for america in asia, about how it has had a revolution is rising again it's making huge investments in the states. you're in north carolina's celebrate some of those investments so why then is the biden administration opposing a japanese company buying frankly a foundering us company, us steel, resing itre promising to retain all the workers and honore deliver
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contracts. why is biden administration opposed to nippon steals bid to take to buy us steel well, first of all, the president made a commitment to the american workers and he's good for his word, and he also made a commitment to deal is going to be what goes are going to be retained one, let's be very clear. >> and what the policiesre six weeks eaier the, estment is president united states and united states government gave tsui cperation the ability to build a new factory for creati cnes for all our ports, because we're getting chinese cranes that are strategic threat out of our ports. nothing says trusted ally more than that $20 billion contract? number two. and 2021 to sheba was being pursued by foreign investors in japan said not allowed can happen on
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national security grounds. so that's where the relationship is. and number three, for the last four years, japan has been the number one foreign investor in the united states. funds and creates jobs for 1 million americans who are employed light's going to happen at the ev factoryhat diode is putting up. and that won't stop d good. heontinued to be a trusted partner d america's relationship with pan and japan's relationship with the united stas is not based on one commercial deal we have a difference on it. it will be worked through, but their relationship is deeper and stronger than a single commercial deal. we can still be good to the workers and still be true to our alliance. so not in conflict i want to thank ambassador manual for that spirited debate. >> and thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week, i will see you next week this new ally fight against climate change. >> this is the carpus is blue carbon we just need to protect
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