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consequential presidential election as he. stands as khuza'a falsifying records in a hush money scheme to silences alleged misters before the 2016 elections. trump, of course, has pleaded not guilty. the case adds a dose of uncertainty to an already tumultuous and closely contested presidential race. now trump is required to come to court whenever it is in session, and that trial could last five to seven more weeks. in the meantime, the former president has been on a rampage as he made clear in a more than about a dozen social media posts about presidential immunity and is ongoing trial. and that is just yesterday alone. i'm trump's weekday campaign has now been relegated to as quick speeches in the courtroom hallway in front of the press, rather than in front of rally crowds this is an outbreak at this case was brought political persecution we have a very inflicted highly conflicted shouldn't be on the case. >> i'm supposed to be in georgia. i'm supposed to be north carolina, south carolina in different places,

campaigning. >> but i've been here all day. a judge wants to go as fast as possible. this is really a concerted which i already said now it remains to be seen if trump has violated his gag order with any of his remarks about the case that's what prosecutors are alleging in a hearing for that is set for tuesday. >> now, let's break this all down with our great panel this morning. seung min kim from the associated press john present and from punchbowl news, and olivia nude see from new york magazine morning guys digest lot to get to through the course of this busy our let me start with you because you actually been a cover in the courtroom watching donald trump as they began the jury selection process. what has been your observation about how he has dealt with this, especially as they're raising some of these salacious details and they've gone through the jury selection process. how has he been dealing with this in the courtroom? >> i don't think any criminal defendant is happy to be there and fairness, but he seems particularly not happy to be there. he seems to have a very

difficult time sitting there and doing nothing all day long. and it sort of seems like he's chomping at the bit to get out of there to the extent that he was reprimanded by the judge when he tried to jump up and have a seat at the end of a session on friday and leave. apparently, the judge leaves first. i did not know this and neither did donald trump and he seems very frustrated in sort of depressed and it was interesting when he got to his word, he was circling his rally ally in north carolina last night, and he couldn't land and he told the crowd there that they would have to go home due to weather he kept apologizing to them and saying, i'm sorry, any sounded very sad and i thought i've never heard donald trump say, i'm sorry, before about any topic it seems like he's struggling social level. >> we've got a lot more time with them. you have to sit in the courtroom. we'll see how he continues to deal with it. and of course, there's how the voters will deal with and which is of course the most important thing is we assess the impact that this could have on the election. want to get really deep into that through the course of this hour. but just a

real sense of this from ap poll that came out just a couple of weeks right before the trial began how when we believe that trump acted illegally and look at the cases here for criminal cases, of course, the hush-money case is the lowest among registered voters about whether they believe he was acting illegally in the case and the question two, how much were you paying attention to trump's legal cases 62% and say a lot or some paying attention to trump's cases. we'll see how much more than increases this trial really begins in earnest this week. >> and then what then? >> of course, the big question, the outcome, the verdict, what happens if donald trump is convicted in this case here 22 percent of independent voters say he is fit to be present if he is convicted. >> of course, though, he could be acquitted, mean the question i was in these positive is convicted. there could be a hung jury he could be acquitted. >> he this could be the only case that comes to a verdict

before, and that can have an impact. it just shows you the unpredictability of how this law play out. >> right? right. and another fascinating point about that poll you mentioned, there's only about a third of voters who thought he did something illegal in this particular case we're close to half of voters think he did illegal. on the other three cases. so you do see how, at least in the court of public opinion this particular criminal case isn't seen particularly as seriously as the other charges he's facing and in the district and florida and in georgia, which is i think partly why the prosecutors have tried to brand this, not as a hush money case before the election interference case, to try to bring the gravity of this of these charges of what trump is facing more to the public eye. but i do think it'll be really interesting to see what happens if there is a verdict and if that verdict is guilty, obviously, could go through a lengthy appeals process as well but of the pool that you mentioned, 47% of independents did say that this would make him unfit to serve the democrats and republicans are in their partisan corners, even on that question. but we're

really watching the dependence here and 47, it should be a warning, should be at least alarming number for donald trump. >> and we'll his party abandoned him. that's another question. that moment there's really no indication of that. many of them are aligning themselves with trump had said that he is the victim of unfair prosecution. i put the question actually did a lot of republicans over the past couple of weeks it's not just about whether the the tribal really about the underlying allegations about hush money payments to silence is someone who was allegedly having an electrode extramarital affair with and whether the enemy concerns about just the underlying allegations themselves? >> he's originally character issues with the former president i mean, it's it's nothing that i would engage. it always bothers me when politicians are alleged to have done things that are unseemly it's a salacious trial. it makes for good television on this. >> this is a throwback to the clinton administration. >> if he gets convicted, we still support them they you're

talking about a hypothetical that we can talking about if it becomes real at some point in future, i'd made my views known about these and related topics. >> a lot over the years. so i don't have anything more to add, but thank you for the question at least thanked me for you you. yeah. well, he he's the one who does oppose are not supporting down trump's not. yeah. but just resident you talked to all these republicans as well will there be if he's convicted, how will they respond? and you'll say tuple, say he's going to peel it is. i would guess they're going to align themselves with trump's message 100%. >> i mean there, i mean for better or worse there they have to stay with trump through the election. i mean, their feet is his feet, so they'll just say, you know, if he's convicted, they'll say a partisan democrat district attorney, manhattan, pursued a case that the fed's wouldn't go out federal justice department, when go after and they got a political verdict in a political case that's it. i mean, what trump has done, you

have to give him credit in this sense tactically are politically. he's tried to make the new york case about brag, about album, the da alvin bragg, and about about the process. instead of he was paying off a porn star in the white house as president united states. i mean we don't get to that enough. it's like then the other thing he's the other big thing for him though, he's got michael cohen, is the middleman and michael cohen is a very troubled witness. >> let's put it that way and, you know, it's a difficult case. you could see with the you can see what the jurors, what did these poor people who are going to have to sit in judgment of this? that's what was extraordinary to me from the house. yeah. >> and then i. don't think the republicans are going anywhere in this is as we look at the campaign, the impact on the campaign, clearly this is having an impact both on this calendar and his money just on the calendar this is going to take potentially till early june. and so trump does most of his rallies on the weekends anyway. so maybe it doesn't

really have an impact on the rallies, but this is where we're consuming his time and the money just knew numbers that just came out from one of his packs about the legal fees that were spent 3.7 million as total spent as of the end of march on legal fees. that's from his one of his packs. i mean, clearly this is having an impact on the campaign. >> it is. i mean, i've joked that it's sort of like the campaign and the court are sharing custody of donald trump. >> he's there on mondays and tuesdays. he's often wednesday's he's often weekends and he's planning these rallies. i've noticed he is planning something that tri-state area. it seems like they're trying to kind of maybe contained in a little bit. he's doing one in wild, but new jersey, you can go to the boardwalk after perhaps feel like it. >> and i don't know how he's going to have the stamina and when your argument against the incumbent president is he doesn't have the standard i'm going to and you are being witnessed hobbling out of court. >> most days of the week. i think it makes it much more difficult to make that type of political argument against president biden. yeah, you're

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takeaway is here. >> yeah, so i do at least one or two focus groups every single week. i talked to swing voters. i talked to democrats and progressives. but i really focused on sort of two times trump voters and people who are either, they voted for trump before and they're out on him, or swing voters who may be voted for biden, but are backsliding like i really tried to figure out who is part of this election is going to be sort of the determinant voter and how they're thinking about things. and then number one, takeaway that i have is there's this group called the double-haters. the double doubters are the impacts on both their houses. they are frustrated with biden. maybe they voted for him last time, but they are right. leading independent soft gop voters and they're they're not loving the job he's doing, but also they do not want to vote for trump to teasing out how that voter is going to go is a deep interests. >> and that's hugely consequential. just want you to listen to arizona women who you talked to, your group, talk to on thursday margaret mead need

to know about trump. >> how many allegations, how many criminal suits have to come before he is no longer somebody that we want to consider as running the country. >> it's just a collective of all the cases. it speaks volumes about his character. it's bizarre he's going to be on the ballot. >> exactly the same it in their son's me. >> honestly now, again, these are trump 2016 voters, biden 2020 voter swing voters in arizona, arizona women, it's consistent with the national polling on this issue new york times, siena college poll recently said, do they believe the hush money charges are serious? >> men, 45% women's, 70% of women. i think that's serious what do you think he's so here's what's happening with women on this case. >> is it reminds them of one of the things that they really dislike about donald trump, which is that they think he's gross to women. and so four, i think men and even sometimes just for the broader electorate, one of the reasons they take this case less

seriously is because oftentimes when people talk about it, they're saying porn star. and so everybody's like, well, that just doesn't sound that serious. sounds like one of trump's antics. but for these women, one of the reasons that they switched their votes from by, from trump to biden back in 2020 is that they thought that trump lacked had bad character and created chaos and was gross to women. and so this highlights and reinforces it for them. so they take it more seriously and is it trump campaign doing anything about the fact that there are so many women voters were concerned about these characters. >> they can't change its personality and they can't change his personal history that we're all deeply aware of. they are trying to focus on bragg. they're trying to focus on, quote, unquote witch hunt they're doing their best to take the focus off of allegations about his sexual misconduct over the years. and in fact, at the hearing on friday part of the conversations about whether or not it would be okay if an in the theoretical circumstance that trump does sit four cross-examination, as he said, that he would if it would be okay to ask him about e. jean carroll about various things in

his past related to sexual misconduct let's allegations trump is martyrdom. >> messaging is cooling, working with a significant amount of republicans or something not to discount another set of focus group voters here to time general election, trump voters for 2016 and 2020. but who voted for nikki haley in a primary this cycle. and what do they what do they think? about these charges in these various tropic cases this is stuff that happens every day with larger companies and things like that. it seems to me like liberals in the country are saying donald trump's are criminal. let's find a crime dependent with, i think probably is the most serious is the classified documents one but then biden had classified documents and even pence ended up with quest's saying, oh, wait, i found one in my house, two which makes me think they're all rather careless that's reaction to that. yeah i mean, these are people who looked

they don't love trump. >> they voted for nikki haley in the primary, but there still it just shows how deeply the narrative has penetrated among republicans of all kinds that this is a witch on, that trump uniquely sort of. this is an attempt to take him down but democrats or after him, there's a two-tier justice system. i hear this from republicans across the board. and so that is one of the reasons that trump has not some i guess maybe that is how to put it. he has some armor against these court cases, which is just the general republican frame that these are just politically motivated, which ons against drunk. >> and just looking at the pole polls about how voters voters view this. >> but whether they believed these charges are somewhat, very or somewhat believable, 73% actually believed that reuters, that's reuters, ipsos, paul, about in his hush money case. but then the question is, are they serious? and this is consistent with what those voters you're talking to 64% still significant amount believe is serious, but it is lower than those other cases. those other three criminal cases so much has to go right for this trial to continue to

the point maria reach a verdict. anything could happen that could screw it all up, frankly, for the prosecutors. but if it continues, if it continues for several weeks i think day in and day out conversation about donald trump in the courtroom as a criminal defendant, him being pulled off of the campaign trail, not able to stay on whenever his message he really hasn't message ever for that. he's sticking to you. i'm still waiting for infrastructure week but his keeping him tethered to the subject of his legal dramas. yeah. i think that's going to have a very negative effect and people will perceive him as someone who maybe is a criminal the question is, is if this, how voters will in a viewing this in november, if this is done by jill, well, i'll just say right now, there's been so many court cases. he has so many indictments that for the voters, a lot of it tends to be white noise. but as the case is separate out and people follow them individually, you could see these numbers start to shift as people understand this isn't about a porn star, even hush money it's about the way he past the shot at the big narrative that this is all sort

of embroidery. it's that he is someone who has no respect for the rule of law who thinks that there is a different set of standards for him who gets away with things. a lot of his voters in his super base we'd ever be able to get away with it. and so i think that is very troubling for him in a near evenly divided electro, very, very unpractical, great discussion. thank you both all right. >> cnn will have special live coverage of the opening statements and former president trump's hush money trial starting tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. eastern on cnn and streaming on macs house divided in the speaker's job in jeopardy. mike johnson finally evolved on ukraine aid and what it could mean for his future with the gap he's going to cause us to lose the majority at this point is completely de-motivated. >> are banks hey, also, i just don't want to the experience app because i wanted to check my fico score, but it does so much more. this thing shows your fico score. >> you can get your credit card recommendations and it shows you ways to save money do so much more than get your fico

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coordinate. >> the way that they never prioritize center-right american priorities, never and that's where we've ended up again. and i think it's it's it is authentic it's honestly it's tough to defendant right now. >> it's a slap in the face to america. >> he's showing that he's out of his element here. >> well, what, what is showing is that he that in my humble opinion, we are allowing chuck schumer to run the house of representatives. and to me that's very disturbing. >> now, johnson was torn between those loud voices on his right in the pleas of help from ukraine, president's zelenskyy, as well as many in the gop plus sources say a recent classified cia briefing helped convince johnson as did some prayer life changed for him well, you went through a transformation, no question. but also i think he felt the way of the world on his shoulders. and it really was false calling on him. and i was

with him the night before he made the decision. he preyed on it. and the next day, he said, i want to be on the right side of history. and i think he will be now since heartlands are still pushing to oust him, he needs democrats to keep his job, but despite this move on, ukraine, some believe that the democratic base will have a lot of pointed questions for democrats who vote to keep mike johnson speaks backlash. >> i think there will be a backlash i mean, this is really been fascinating moment. >> you really rarely see a politician of ball like this, just really in real time typically be more dug into that positions, especially in this year of politics. the one reason why he is in a bit of a pickle with is colleagues is the way the vote came down there minority of house republicans voted to approve

ukrainian as 101 republicans voted yes, hundred and 12 voted no. all democrats voted for it johnson's deal-cutting over the last six months as speaker that enraged those folks on the right. but there's government funding over on this issue of foreign aid bills. the foreign intelligence surveillance act, and the national defense authorization act two, you've covered my johnson really since he became a member. what is your takeaway from his handling of this? >> i honestly i'm surprised he did the ukraine bill i for a long time. i i my colleague jake german, i would debate this is going to do is you're going to do it. and we thought he wasn't going to do it. and then he would but democrats in the white house all thought throughout this process that they we're talking to johnson. they were talking to his top staff that they had a channel to him and that he was listening to them and that they thought there was a chain, a very good chance he would do is any ended up doing it. so i mean, i was surprised you do it. did it. i do think there'll be an attempt to remove him

now. that's clearly going to happen. a motion to vacate is what the technical term for it is. you had marjorie taylor greene has already introduced this. she has several named co-sponsors of this and will democrats have to vote to really keep him in place? i think i was talking to one republican yesterday. it's very interesting to me, the whole split inside the republican party. this republican said there will never be another republican speaker elected even if they are majority or at least in the next decade or two, without democratic support. and he just won't happen. there will be, republicans will have to have coalition governments because they can't govern and have me pure yeah. >> these guys want, they want purity. they want to they want to, they want to fight it out in the election with their guides. there is there as angry as republicans is democrats? yeah, it's such a good point. >> you know, what congressman is that? ritter, the house freedom caucus, bob guard, he's actually opposed to vogue me forward to oust mike johnson, even though he was one of the eight who voted to oust kevin mccarthy in the fall and

lot of people blame that vote in the house republican conference for the chaos and dysfunction. it really the outcome are some of the policy within sierra. i asked him about the the all there's and why he is not pushing for my johnson's ouster we ended up selecting a candidate who has failed us so that doesn't mean that now you should take this the same actions that you took in september when you are in a different situation. >> this is not the time to do it. that because of the much more narrow margin, the much greater degree of certainty that the fact that i wouldn't want to select someone now that would be in my view, probably the less desirable, not the best option, perhaps that would be an incumbent going into november now, what's interesting is that he is now being targeted in his own primary because of his actions and his moves in one of them is countable. >> who is going after him is a member of his own conference. the congresswoman, jen kiggans,

who is actually in a swing district herself i think that there's there's a whole fraction again of our of our conference that i don't know why they're here for the right reasons necessarily. let me see what's going on the world right? right now. it's not safe. so it frustrates me when we have members of our kohn conference who are isolationist, who don't believe in standing with our allies it's this debate over tactics and policy is the isolationist wing versus neil khan win whatever you wanna call it and it's playing out in dividing their party, right? and you also wonder if the freedom caucus folks, the rabble rousers, a troublemakers, if you are also starting to learn the fact that when you go from a rank-and-file member to someone in leadership, you are almost inevitably going to change. and we saw that with mike johnson basically in real time, you goes from a rank-and-file member who oppose ukraine aid goes not only as a leader of house republicans, but the speaker of the house. this constitutional role, he gets access to all of this classified information. he

knew. he learns over time that you have to govern if there is a majority of big majority of votes for something, you basically have to put it forward. it i'm not sure there might be a few house republicans and who might not behave that way once they're in that leadership position. but i feel like most would at that point, but yes, that divide us certainly going to continue to play out. i mean, that is fueled largely by the views of donald trump himself. i'm not sure the opposition to ukraine, it would be that strong if trump i'm self, weren't so strongly against it, but it is a log. >> it's a long way from party of reagan that we've been used absolutely trump actually did not come out opposed to the bill, which is actually kind of interesting. >> and also, we know there was all this sideshow that was going on. these angry exchanges i've never seen a conference devolve the way this has and on the floor of the house or later this week, mike johnson was essentially pinned against the back of the wall according to our colleague annie grayer witness this he was taking fire from the members of the freedom caucus and then there was an

exchange between derrick van orden, who's a member from wisconsin, aligned himself with mike johnson on this issue in math games it's the leader of the charge to oust kevin mccarthy you call them tbi actually kick rocks tobi. yeah. so the reason being matt gaetz is appalling chip roy civilian, bob good's of bully and the only way to stop a bullies to push back hard that the majority of the majority, the vast majority of majority is 2nd tyre of his high school. and the only thing i gleaned from it is that mr. van orden is not a particularly intelligent individual have this issue where i had to step away. >> this is laughing, this is today's business. today's republican conference and it's also, you have to push it, push back harder. it's just the tactics and now the belief on the people who align themselves with mike johnson is just ignore these guys, run over them stiff on them, push them to the side. >> yeah. but i mean, the point majority of republican conference voted against this bill. they voted against the

ukraine bill. you had jim jordan you had jodi arrington, budget committee chairman. you had at least stefanik, who is the number four house republican, and a possible vp candidate. i mean, there are going to be consequences for johnson here we had talked during the week, there was a there was a thought that they could change the house rules to protect johnson, but he would get he would need democrats and we thought he was going to do that at one point, any backed off and then republicans who were angry with johnson for not doing it because they, they're saying this is part of the chaos in the house. yeah. are not doing and the question is, what does this mean in november, there's debate in the gop whether it matters one side says it does. once i says it doesn't what do you think just in general, like the turmoil does to your ability to hang on to power year. i don't think it really is going to matter. >> folks back home are worried about the fact that the things i need for the family cost $15,000 more of this year because of joe biden and his policies they're not concerned about fighting inside the house. he's going to cause us to lose the majority this

point. he's completely de-motivated are based disappointed us in the conference. >> it's a cost on the majority nod, mike johnson, but donald trump, me, but my mike johnson is not gonna be the issue people call it, cost them the house or not? >> yeah. >> right. i mean, the house typically goes on goes on the strength of the top of the ticket and i can't don't see why it wouldn't necessarily differ this year than in previous years, will say, maybe richard hudson house gop candidate pain arm chairman, is right by gumming up cnn's exclusive interview. >> vice president kamala harris, while trump's in court she invited are all over the map. their strategy on the trail, and what they are and are not saying about their opponent. next the rise relax a

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i look at the economy, i don't see it through the eyes of mar-a-lago. i see through the eyes of scranton and that's not hyperbole. that's a fact while donald trump spent four days in court this week, president biden spent three on the trail campaigning and pennsylvania. >> it may be a preview the next five to seven weeks as trump's trial plays out. and as biden avoided talk of his rivals legal troubles, vice president kamala harris is following suit. cnn's eyes of dovere just spoke with her in an exclusive interview and he joins me now along with southern min kim, isaac. thanks for being here. so what's your big takeaway from this interview well, look, i spoke with harrison las vegas on monday after swimming the target tucson talk about that arizona abortion law being upheld and really blast it there is no question there is a sense of energy and looseness. >> it's coming off for she said to me, i find it very liberating to be out let's write that she's talking about that. you seemed like that what struck me in ways, her playlist at events let's be onstage

freedom and then read the franklin respect sort of get both out of her, that she's been looking for. and that's what she is playing into here. she is trying to establish yourself, obviously, in a better way for herself. but the biden campaign has seen in lots of research that they've been doing. and the way that they've been responding voters have been responding that on issues like abortion, on guns, and a lot of the things that are really important to the base legalizing marijuana, talking about student loans that actually voters want to hear from her more, even though they want to hear from the president. and she's been playing, that's very interesting. and it's also, they have not been talking about this hush money case. it's been talking you mentioned abortion, you mentioned guns, you mentioned he talking about democracy. this is not about trump's criminal trials, even though that is consuming all the oxygen here and just getting a sense on the ads that they have been running in these, some of these swing states, including pennsylvania, targeting key voters. they've struggled with black voters. they're talking about the economy. this is one from pennsylvania, just a couple of days ago i love to

tell the story about meeting president biden because when you meet him, this guy is sharp, was a month they have nothing else to attack because they can attack the things that he's doing better, so good for this country. >> joe biden gets things done. that's just who he is. >> but the question is, do they talk about in these cases, i put that question to one senator chris murphy i think most people in this country have already processed and baked in the fact that donald trump is a reckless idiot what this election needs to be about is the fact that donald trump is going to ban abortion in this country. >> in the fact that electing him will be another gift to billionaires millionaire. so we'll get pick regulatory and tax breaks. that's what this election has to be about right? right. i mean, if you've been talking with biden campaign aides for the last several months. they actually don't like talking about biden's legal or sorry to donald trump's legal troubles. they feel that the more effective

contrast between the two candidates is what? trump would do actually, an office should he be elected again so that is why you saw president biden just really not engage in any sort of these questions. you didn't have biden campaign surrogates go while there and blast trump over his legal or his legal problems with the trial starting formally last week there the campaign made some like wink, wink, kind of puns in their press releases, but that's pretty much the extent of what they had engaged in because they really want to focus on what biden himself if it is saying and what he's saying is again, this is what trump would do an office. this is why my policies are better than the other guy and you're going to hear that a lot, especially on tuesday when he travels to florida to talk about abortion, it's gonna be a big moment and that's what it's actually when you were with harris, that's but she was trying to do as well? >> yeah. and one of the things i get into the pieces that look, she has struggled with being vice president. we all know that it's years of this, but she has actually adapted better to running for vice president way that having a target, it's fits her way of thinking about things better.

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you or a loved one have mesothelial will send you a free book to answer questions you may have call now and we'll come to you 808 to one 4,000 by partisanship is a dirty word in some circles in washington just as speaker mike johnson. >> so i sat down with two longtime senate veterans to discuss how they view their parties and what they believe has gone wrong democratic west virginia senator joe manchin is not seeking reelection this year, and he just launched a new group with his daughter called americans together. former republican ohio senator rob portman is working on his portman center for policy solutions at the university of cincinnati. now, i spoke a boat lawmakers after moderating a panel with them at the university of chicago's institute of politics they had tough words for their parties and the top of their tickets. but we began by talking about the changing makeup in views of the senate gop, such as over ukraine, portman, a staunch advocate, was replaced by republican senator jd vance,

who is fiercely opposed we agree in a lot. we just again, some& one is ukraine and we have a strong disagreement there, but i haven't disagreement with other colleagues to just not just jd. there are more republicans now saying, let's allow vladimir putin to have his way. and the consequences of that would be disastrous for our national security. >> we talked senators about just the changing nature trump the center. are you concerned that the moderates are being dropped out of your party? >> what i'm really concerned about is if we lose the filibuster, you won't create any new moderns. you will not have a middle at all. it'll be swinging from the left and the right. that's not who america is. that probably scares me more than anything every one of us should be ashamed of what we're, what we're living through now and 118th congress, every congress up until this 118th congress is basically produced about 500 bills that we could work on and agree on and passed some form of a piece of legislation 500 to five, 20 we've only passed 69 bills. >> when you look at this this

congress on the outside, are they doing their job? >> well, no, in the sense that the congress isn't doing much legislating and they've been rather dick dysfunctional. the border policy i think has become the poster child of what i'm talking about that it's hard to solve policy issues. these days because both the right and the left seemed to get some advantage from things being unsolved. >> you clearly disagreed with senate republicans blocking that bipartisan secure border security deal. >> i think it was stepping the right direction, incrementally. it perfect, no. but let's face it, we haven't done any since 1986 in this area. it's a disaster on the border to deal with the asylum issues they did, i thought was incredibly important. >> did you think trump just wanted this issue? what that's why he killed us. >> yeah, i think that's part of it. part of it was some substantive differences, but here's the deal. it was incrementally good for the country. >> are you comfortable with him as the nominee? >> well, it's not my decision to make urine, ohio voter. yeah. i mean, he's he's definitely going to be the nominee. i i would imagine that

he has a very good chance of being president to have you get bought from well, i'm looking at the policies you have made a decision. >> i'm not gonna vote for president biden. was it the right decision? do you think to impeach mayorkas know my problem with that? impeachment is that if you were to impeach somebody for following the policy direction of the white house rather than focusing on the white house, then you're going to have that happen again and again for tat, make no mistake about it. i think joe biden has been has done a bad job on the border now, with that being said, and he's the blank for the border, you think biden sublime for the border. he made the decision. it opened up and haven't closed it down. he has to take blame for what is wrong, but it's accepting it now to fix it. and then it's not being fixed because of politics that's what people don't like. >> you can have up her president biden welcome back for president trump. and i've known joe biden for a long time. and it's not a joe biden. i'm seeing today the way he's being pulled so far left bys administration. i want to see him take charge again. i want the president biden to be the president when he was running in 2020. >> that's not a yes or no. i

mean, yes. do on the way i don't want trump to win. >> so then it gives you want biden no, it doesn't trump. >> i love my country too much. if you look back in the two impeachment votes, have you had with trump and regret any of you must acquit? no. i mean, i would apply the same standard. in other words, press conference was not in office which i think is not constitutional, which i think is not what the founders intended is after generous six one, yeah have we reached the bottom of american politics i think that the fever will break here, and i think that the parties don't represent the country anymore, shouldn't you have zero retiring? >> stuck around and try to fix the problem. >> i mean, 42 years, how long you want me to stick that's it for inside politics. >> suddenly, you can follow me on x at mk raju can follow the show at inside politics. and if you ever miss an episode, of course, you can get ketchup wherever you get your podcast, just search for inside politics now up next state of the union, it would jake tapper dana bash, dan has guests include south dakota governor kristi noem, in illinois, governor jb pritzker thanks again for sharing your

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