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served.com this is cnn the world's news this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live we'll begin today's program with the war in ukraine. and the american congress's ability to affect it yesterday, the house passed a bill that will sen. much needed aid there. how will it change kyiv's fortunes i'll talk to president zelenskyy is key aide andriy yermak then is the tit-for-tat between israel and iran over at least for now and what happens to gaza? after the war? the foreign minister of jordan will be my guest also the great actor michael douglas joins me to talk about his latest starring role playing

america's first diplomat benjamin franklin but first, here's my take bill maher recently set on his show that the 2024 election was going to be four over two issues immigration and abortion the party that best navigates these cultural battlefields is likely to prevail in november each party has an advantage. the democrats on abortion and the republicans on immigration. >> roe v. wade energized generations of conservative voters who felt deeply on the issue. >> and we're also outraged that courts had taken the question out of the democratic process now it's abortion rights voters who are energized, fueled by states like arizona that are putting in place draconian restrictions on abortion with the margins small in many swing states, abortion could be the issue that brings out suburban women who could tilt those states blue in november on the other

hand, the republican party is now led by donald trump, who on this issue, as on many others, is supremely opportunistic trump, of course, proudly supported abortion rights for years until he started floating with the political career, with the republican party at which point he reversed course fondly now that he sees it as politically problematic, he is shifting his stance. once again. >> he has criticized arizona's abortion ban, and this pledged not to sign a national abortion ban if reelected. >> it might seem hard for him to backtrack. he's loudly and repeatedly taken credit for the repeal of roe v. wade. and touted his anti-abortion credentials but donald trump seems to be able to say anything and even do anything without losing the cult, like following he has with republican voters he can appeal to the middle ground certain that his base will stay with him joe biden on the other hand, does not have the fanatical following the trump does he has constructed a

coalition carefully appealing to different groups with specific policies. if he loses one of these groups, his team fears that the math will not add up come election day but he needs to risk it and get tougher on immigration. it has become a proxy for all kinds of issues where people feel that elites simply don't get the concerns of average people and their concerns are rooted in real facts on the ground america has taken in huge numbers of immigrants over the last five decades and 1970, foreign born people made up 5.7% of the country as of 2020, that number is 15.3% and it's not just america and sweden. that number went from 6.6% in 1970 to 19.8% in 2020 in the uk, from 5.3% to 13.8% as i noted my new book, age of revolutions, the western world

has seen a wave of unprecedented migration considering the numbers and the cultural differences of the immigrants, people have actually been remarkably tolerant what has changed recently is the sense that immigration is now happening without any legitimate process with the system being gamed and laws being broken when syrian migration and gulf, europe and 2015 angular merkel arbitrarily wave the usual procedures and germany alone took in about 900,000 asylum seekers from several countries it is not a coincidence that the influx was followed by brexit and the rise of right-wing populace in many european countries in both the eu and the united states, gangs and cartels have recognized that they can game the asylum system by bringing in economic migrants who claim asylum and thus get the right to stay, have legal hearings and eventually work last fiscal year, nearly 1 million people

applied for asylum in the, in the eu last year, that number was more than 1.1 million the waves of recent migrants have produced problems as anyone on the ground can confirm from new york city to our passer to stockholm, sweden, today's home to one of the highest gun crime death rates in europe and it's not a coincidence that it's 2nd largest political party now is one that traces its roots to world war ii era, fascism the biden administration has made the case that it has put in place a set of well-crafted policies to limit asylum seekers that it needs congressional action to do more. and that republicans want this problem to fester. so they can reap its electoral benefits. all true? but biden must show that he can fight he should declare a national security emergency. send the national guard to the border, work with congress to suspend the asylum process entirely and

propose a new one that basically makes it impossible to get asylum if you just show up at the border many will scream and it will be challenged in court but it will signal that joe biden is taking the problem really seriously. bill clinton often says that the american people don't always need you to succeed, but they want to catch you trying joe biden needs to be caught trying to solve the immigration crisis. go to cnn.com slash opinions to read my column this week. and cnn.com slash fareed for link to buy my new book, age of revolutions, which i very much hope you will get let's get started the bill is passed one voting present

cheers from the floor of the us house of representatives as it handed ukraine a lifeline by passing a bill that allocates more than $60 in aid to the fight against let's russia, the senate, is expected to pass it this week before president biden signs it into law it is the first major aid package for ukraine in well over a year. and it comes at a vital time as moscow inches forward in the east and kyiv's forces appear outmanned and outgunned last night ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy said, the funding would be used to bring adjust into this war of war that putin must lose joining me from kyiv is unrwa yermak. >> he is a key member of president zelenskyy is inner circle and heads the president's office andriy, pleasure to have you on first, let me ask you, now that this aid has passed do you expect to

see results in the field very quickly? i know you were on the front lines yesterday hello. i'm happy to be today in your show and yes, of course. thank you very much for these questions and i'd like to start to express the words of gratitude for the congress, for the house of representatives, for the yesterday historical decisions. the world. so gratitude to the american people, to the president biden and his administration's its significant for us and of course, no doubt that it's increase. our odds to defeat the aggressors especially now. then we listen and see that the rash, preparing for the you can

reference of course. now the equations and we are looking that the inset that it will wall to as quick as possible beginning of next week and of course after will be signed by presidents president biden, and delivery of this so important weapons will be very quick because i can repeat that. it's really momentum and it's really very origin thank you so much, andrea. >> what are the weapons? you need the most and are they new ones like the long-range ada cams and mostly do you still need planes because you still the great challenge ukraine has, you do not have control of the air you're absolutely right and we want it.

>> i can to list it. what is origin? >> we need we need 155 ammunitions, so we need at occam's missiles, we need drones, we need electronic warfare yes, we are really have the problems in our sky more, air defense, especially missiles for the patriots and it's better you'll system itself because we unfortunately can't protect it always ct. and protect our people. >> you know, that we have the attack practically every day and every night in such city life zaporizhzhia, like kharkiv, like here. so like

mykolaiv like this and of course, this is what we need a need very quick, because its cost lives of our people the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov said that cargill is next are you expecting i russian attack on car games and are you prepared for it? >> you know, these people from kremlin, a lot of set during these two years but ukraine never be occupied i mean, full ukraine never be occupied by russian aggressors. it's impossible and first of all, is it because our grade mentioned is continuing to find things.

and now after yesterday's decisions of the house would representatives of course it's killed past to be more strong and of course, our heroes in the front lines and the people in many cities of ukraine is continue to find, to find of course, yes, we know about that. russia not stop to planning to continue they are regressive policy against ukraine. >> they still not recognized our sovereignity they not recognize. and one, not be ready to except the existence

of ukrainian nations and what more increase& back to the soviet union period of the influence, its mean that he wanted negotiate he wants dominate but he will not receive this and not this goal because ukrainians showed during these two years together the partners that it's impossible. >> democracy will win ukraine will win i'm sure about hungry or mac pleasure to have you on as always. thank you, sir thank you. >> thank you very much. and thank you. on america next on gps, the foreign minister of jordan, we'll talk to me about the tit-for-tat between iran and israel and the war in gaza will be back with that in a moment. freeze dryness,

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agree with the assessment that iran versus israel, the tensions are de-escalating, or do you still worry that things could spiral back out of control? >> good day to you, sarah. and i thank you for having me, but for now the latest tranche seems to have been contained. everybody has done a lot of work too much to make sure that this does not spiral off into major regional confrontation. that said, i think we all have to do a lot of work to make sure that we address the whole ecosystem all the causes of tension in the region. and particularly the focus should remain on gaza, where you just said that the killing continues and the conflict doesn't seem to offer any horizon for ending. so that needs to be the focus and that's where all of us need to be concentrating right now but do you believe that israel is going to be

content with allowing the status quo as it is, as you know, there are people in israel say they should settle scores with hezbollah that they need to deliver a blow up north lot of israelis, almost 100,000 have left their homes in the north is there a danger that that dynamic starts up now? absolutely. i mean, the one to benefit most from the latest escalation with iran was their israeli prime minister netanyahu, because it did help divert attention away from gaza& from the aggression that continues to rate to rage on the reality is that the tension remains high. and unless we are able to bring it into the war in gaza and create a political horizon that would take us towards once and for all solution on the basis of the two-state solution danger of escalation remains there by intention or by ms miscalculation israelis are saying a lot of things. i mean,

the israeli government, but what have been doing and say being gotten us other than more conflict, more tension, hatred, the dehumanization. and destruction of the whole palestinian community in gaza. >> you point out that bibi netanyahu does benefit when the war goes in another direction. >> do you believe that bibi netanyahu will try to keep this work going because it keeps him an office and keeps avoid certain political and maybe legal problems. >> he has all occasions point to that conclusion. he has said publicly that he's going to continue with the war on gaza despite advice, even from his biggest supporter, which is the united states voices from europe, from the region. we're all saying stop this war. let's create a political path that will address the root cause of the issue that guarantee peace and security for palestinians and israelis unfortunately, the israeli

prime minister continues to win the war on gaza, endangering does not just the palestinians endangering the whole region and hurting the interests of israel itself because the war is going to have to end and the dust will settle and once that happens, we're all going to have to grapple with their reality where we've lost 30 years of efforts to normalize the ideal p. so this is the challenge and we cannot have netanyahu doom, the future of the region to more conflict nor can we allow him to continue with this, with this war that is again producing nothing. but toward destruction, killing, and harming the interest of all, including the us, including europe, including all of us. the region what are you hearing with regard to the israeli attack on rafah? is it going to happen? is bb listening to the biden administration and many others who have cautioned him not to do it, or is it just going to do it anyway? >> i mean, first of all, let me

emphasize this attack should be prevented no matter what it will produce, nothing butter. but a massacre, giving the concentration of the people and giving the already miserable reality that they war on gaza has created unfortunately, again, all statements coming out from israel is indicating that netanyahu is gone i'm going to go ahead with that war. he's not listened to the us on even less significant issues pertaining to allowing more aid into gaza and the siege of gaza and the use of weapons as starving palestinians so it looks like netanyahu is sending all signals that he's going to attack rafah. all of us should weigh down heavily on the israeli government not to do that because again, that will just drag a small into the mud done this madness will manifest itself and even more dangerous ways than we have seen thus far. >> how, what is this situation? meanwhile on the west bank,

because jordan monitors that, that piece of this very carefully because of course, you adjoin it. is it your sense that things are pretty tense there with with the winning palestinians and israelis? >> but facts speak for themselves. they're, we've seen over the last 24 hours, major attack into told kerem resulting in the killing and wounding of tens of palestinians. we've seen settler terrorism continuing in the past few days. we've seen multiple settler attacks resulting again in death and injuries we see continuation of land confiscation. we see on yesterday announcement of legalizing more outpost. so to put it short, the situation and those bank is boiling we're at the edge. and again, if there bank explodes, we're talking about a different nightmare here, a bigger nightmare. and not just the killing of the political horizon, but the actual measures on the ground are pushing these tuition to his explosion. and that is again something that needs to

be avoided working very closely with the us, with europeans and we're communicating to the israelis directly and we're coordinating with the palestinian authority to make sure we do not get to that dangerous point. but fortunately, again, netanyahu is not listening radicals and his government continue with pushing the agenda towards more conflict was more incitement and the danger is still real. and if that danger hits us, then again, it's going to involve us or near two more catastrophic conditions in the region i only have a little bit of time left but i do want to ask you, jordan is 50% roughly palestinian. >> you feel these pressures most strongly people are radicalized. is there a possibility that jordan will break relations with israel on its operations in gaza we will do whatever we believe will help in this war, will help press on attract peace.

>> we did recall our ambassador from israel but i think what we keep focused on here in jordan is do what we've always done, which has tried to work for a just and lasting peace that will fulfill the palestinians legitimate right to freedom and statehood and guarantee the security of israel. if we believe anything that we believe will help, we will do. we don't believe ending the peace treaty is going to be helpful. i think that will only benefit radicals on the israeli sayyed, the israeli government that will just make the situation more tense. what we want just peace, what we want as security for all. and you've seen the amount of pressure with commander during the latest escalation between israel and iran. and our message to both parties were that was i thank the foreign minister. i think we froze. we will be back with a fascinating conversation with michael douglas playing benjamin franklin there's new, ally in

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michael, is currently starring as benjamin franklin in the apple tv plus series. franklin welcome sir. >> for really is an honor to be here. i'm a big fan of your show, so thank you for having me. >> thank you. now it feels very appropriate because what you are portraying is not just franklin, but franklin at a moment of it is one of the great moments of diplomacy in history. tell us so bad that, well, it is in it's one that people don't seem to know that much about fact that i did not think we all have from our sixth grade education, we know the fact that had hardly any schooling at all, but two years of schooling left at 12 we know him as a publisher or great, great writer, university of pennsylvania libraries, post offices, and all those inventions. but when he was 70

right after they declared independence and they signed it july 4, 17, 17766 weeks after that, the founding fathers get together as a ben we need you to go to france because general washington, in his suffering when fighting the british now for more than a year, we're in bad shape, rag-tag army have low ships. they white shoe to go to france & wu louis the 16th, the largest monarchy and the world to support this little tiny democracy that america has just been formed. and so he went over there and then ellipse belly eight years trying to move and could in with all of the complications that existed with spies and backstabber and all that to get france to support america? and the truth be told if it was not for fred's support, we would not have had up america. it would have been a british colony for how much lager. >> and he had no background in diplomacy, none. >> i mean, he was i think

they'd probably picked him because he was a bit of a rock star who was very famous in france, particular because of his experiments we're and he was probably a bit of a seducer who was quite a full adder were in his de, wouldn't want to build his wife and when biden had this vast knowledge, but was just incredibly effective going over there when. you portray powerful people portrayed gordon gekko, the great wall street tycoon. you portray these other characters, the american president and the american president. >> do you think that there's some common trait that power, the power is there something you say to yourself? >> i've got a puff up. my dino, is there something you do? >> it's actually it's the opposite fareed because of the powerful people. the audience, or the other people already know all about you. so with ben franklin, he has this incredible resume gordon gekko had this great resume president

andrew shepherd, we were pleasant so you can actually play against that because you're gonna be the humble i'll look at him for the echoes case, but it ben franklin, everything because the audience knows so much about you. you don't have to push so does strange way, it's become my little more passively and let them come to you did you find that there was something about ben franklin, european actors sometimes say there's a trick, there's something that made me understand his personality either a gesture or voice or something. >> what do you was there something that was at the core of ben franklin, his curiosity, he had immense curiosity and he had the mindset to try to be able to complete a whole picture i mean, the way i think of it as well, we all have ideas, but it's very few. >> we can take our ideas lengthened together to a full a full consensus. and in this

area here reminds me a bit of elon musk. he had that same kind of wild imagination about taking thes are impossible a good self-deprecating, sense of humor and all that, some differences of course you are, you also have great curiosity and you have often i've noticed taken something from your roles and apply it to your real life so very famously, your a very, your very active on nuclear non-proliferation and all that came out of the china syndrome, correct i read somewhere that you have taken from ben franklin, his love of marcus aurelius i have, i have i have become a stoic. have started doing a lot of really about stoicism. and i'm very impressed and do thank you. thank benjamin franklin forgiving me that what what does it mean to you to be stoic? >> well, it's something somewhere between the

protestant ethic and i, my own judeo roots, but it basically involves being the best you can be every single day not reaching necessarily outside of yourself, but nurturing what is inside of yourself and dry the best from everybody that you are out and giving the best that you can. give in the jewish faith, they have an expression called sickle new man, which means to repair the world who make a better place and i we have to remember that stoicism 300 years bc he was, that was it. that was the major, major faith and christiania seem to push it to the side. but there's a lot of qualities that i've five, five very helpful. >> so jewish store? >> yes. so when we come back i'll ask michael douglas what he thinks about an 81 year-old president entering his second term nick paton walsh reports

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knew i had the nd difference to the happy ending, know they asked me to run for governor a couple of times in california earlier time. >> remember, say, where do you want me? but we need a man who can finances. oh, campaign so yeah. who has a credibility, notoriety, who, who is well-known around the rounds, everything and i remember say, you sure you're not looking for a kamikaze pilots. i said, i don't think so. >> so you and biden are about the same age would do do you think? are you one of those people who wished he had about out? let the let the field choose somebody else. how do you how do you think about that well, i think i think that i walk a little similar to him and the people that i've talked to everybody that i have say he is a attack he's fired. >> we all have an issue of memories as we get older, we forget names. something he's

overcome a stellar. this life is he might. but let's just say the his his his entire cabinet including his vice president. everybody says cabinet would be more than happy to work with him again. and the next term, i cannot say that about the other candidate running because nobody in his in his cabinet from 2016 wants to be involved with him. >> do you do you think when you everyone says yeah, he is okay now, but what's it going to be like the next four or five years. but you're you're going to work for the next four or five years, you're not retiring? >> well, i'm not however, i will say we did franklin in 2022 and after 165 days of shooting for several months, i haven't worked since i took 23 off and we're going into 2,400, i must say i'm enjoying the time off.

>> and i think he'll be he'll be fine. thank you very much. >> we have this is probably the most important election of my lifetime i share with my kids to the vietnam war. this is the most critical time in my lifetime, and i can remember where we're at right now. we need somebody in control in power who has some experience & knows how to work on a global situation. the world you can't ask for one side for us to be active globally, but then internally say we're just going to isolate just the work that way anymore. i think this is a year also forced to really remind ourselves about local elections and i figured we're going to adjust. we have to start from the bottom up, not the top down and so i think all of us who broke for presence, it should be actively involved in our local elections tube well, this is an honor and a pleasure and what a career we were all in all view of your barricade for reading and keep going, keep by and i can't wait

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last look when joe biden hosted japan's prime minister last week for a state visit. >> the president hail the two countries. monumental alliance but there has been friction over a bid by a japanese from nippon steel to acquire the storied american company, us still you are still formed in 1901, was involved in building major american bridges and iconic skyscrapers it helped win world war ii by supplying still for ammunition and ships to land american forces. but over time, the lumbering giant struggled to compete with foreign rivals it also fell behind domestic competitors who embrace innovation. the most recent figures put it at 27th among the world's steel producers in december, us still agreed to a takeover by nippon steel, which offered to pay 40% over the stock price. nippon would inject innovation and efficiency into the ailing american company but the deal

is in jeopardy. the steel workers union, a suspicious of the new management, and opposes the acquisition. prominent republicans and democrats have come out against it, including president biden the deal could be blocked on national security grounds though it's strains credulity to say that a takeover by one of america's closest allies, it's president biden keeps saying poses a threat in fact, i would argue the dealers good for national security because it would bring much-needed investment and expertise to bolster american steel production. with the merger and nippon would become the world's second largest still producer. able to compete with the industry's biggest players who are mostly chinese well, i recently spoke to the us ambassador to japan, rahm emanuel. and if you watch last week's show, you saw portion of our conversation already. but i also pressed him about the biden administration's position on this issue, which we didn't have time to air and i wanted to bring that to you now emmanuel, join me from

north carolina where toyota is building a factory to produce electric batteries. here's our exchange mr. ambassador, you've talked about how japan is d pivotal ally for america in asia but how it has had a revolution is rising again. it's making huge investments in the united states. you're in north carolina's sellable read some of those investments. so why then is the biden administration opposing a japanese company buying frankly a foundering us company, us steel he'll rescuing it are promising to retain all the workers and honor the labor contracts. why is biden administration opposed to nippon steals bid to take a us still well, first of all, the president made a commitment to the american workers and he's good for his word, and he also made a commitment to deal is going to be what goes are going to be can i make commitment? no

american company makes when adviser, another company for this is the interview part, not the debate part. so the have you part is one. let's be very clear. >> and what the policies are here and what the investment is six weeks earlier, the president united states and united states government gave me we corporation the ability to build a new factory for creating cranes for all our ports because we're getting chinese cranes that are strategic threat out of our ports. >> nothing says trusted ally by more than that $20 contract. number two, in 2021 to sheba was being pursued by foreign investors in jeopardy pan not allowed can't happen on national security grounds. >> so that's where the relationship is. >> and number three, for the last four years, japan been the number one foreign investor in the united states funds and creates jobs for 1 million americans who are employed. light's going to happen at the ev factory that diode is putting up and that won't stop and getting continue to be a

trusted partner and america's relationship with japan and japan's relationship with the united states is not based on one commercial deal you have a difference on it. it will be worked through, but their relationship is deeper and stronger than a single commercial deal. >> we can still be good to american workers and still be true to our alliance. >> so not in conflict i want to thank ambassador manual for that spirited debate and thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week, i will see you next week beyonce's new album is breaking records you know, i spent a lot of time thinking about dirt at three in the morning and he time what people don't know. is that not all der is the same. you need dirt with the right kind of nutrients. >> look at this new organic soil on miracle grow, everybody

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