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lovely there. and this wednesday morning, good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. >> it's wonderful to have you with us today. >> president biden will sign a $95 foreign aid package that has critical us allies breathing a sigh of relief, the senate overwhelmingly passing the measure which provides needed funding to israel, ukraine, and taiwan we tell our allies, we stand with you we tell our adversaries, don't mess with us we tell the world. >> the united states will do everything to safeguard democracy and our way of life also included in the bill, the forced sale, effectively a ban on tiktok. president biden has said that he plans to sign the bill today shortly after the vote, republican leader mitch mcconnell, who has been one of kyiv's strongest advocates in washington, offered this stark assessment of why many in his party had turned on ukraine

thank dreaming possession of ukraine began by tucker carlson who in my opinion, ended up where he should have been all along, which is interviewing vladimir putin where he should have been all along interviewing vladimir putin. >> let's bring in our panel, ron brownstein, senior editor at the atlantic. matt gorman, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign and fester care, who is pfizer, to senator bernie sanders? welcome all. ron vladimir putin, tucker carlson, mitch mcconnell. yeah. walk into a bar. question mark. yeah. who's missing in that sentence? donald trump. >> i mean, sure. tucker carlson ended up where he should have been interviewing vladimir putin. but mitch mcconnell is kinda punching down and kind of ignoring the elephant, i guess, party in the room, which is donald trump and donald trump's demon possession of ukraine his resistance to this trump in the end, i mean i

think in the end, he was hands-off, but certainly his opposition, was interesting. >> i think there's actually met the senator from missouri who point like it out on the first vote. when the senate, when a majority of senate republicans voted against this as a standalone, that virtually everyone elected to the senate, republican elected senate after 2018 voted against it, right basically the republicans in the trump era. yeah, are are dubious of america's traditional role there are still obviously a piece of the republican party that is supportive of that. but the direction of the party in the trump era is towards skepticism about america as the reaganite leader of the free world. and that i think adds to the pressure of those center-right suburban republican voters. >> who have felt more and more marginalized. >> and the trump era, my gorman i mean, just to pick up on ron's point, there is this an inevitable shift because there is this possibility that we

just continue going down that when mitch mcconnell's on its way out, right now, that said mike johnson, also a trumpian a republican in the trump mold, started getting intelligence briefings and said yeah i need to do this. >> i look, i think about 50 or so of those hundred and 12 republicans in the house that voted against this we're part of the vote, no, but hope. >> yes. kind of caucus, if you will. i think for a really true test on where this stood, at least in the house, look to that marjorie taylor greene amendment that would have zeroed out all ukrainian habit 71 people, i think it's a fairly accurate prediction. i think, like most things in the trump era, it didn't fundamentally flip everything it accelerated change. there were already coming. we saw of this bubble up ten years ago with syria number the rand paul wing of the party that's where his game up. this has been percolating in bubbling ever since the end of urac or so, the bushy years where the rubber hits the road, it's been kind of a theme in american

history that's a look famously, the battle between the isolation as to the international swings of the other republican party was settled in 1952 when dwight eisenhower beat isolationist robert taft for the nomination and over the next 60 years, in every republican presidential administration the international, this forces dominated if even when trump was elected, there was still that kind of history and muscle memory that influenced his own administration. and there was a lot of resistance to his criticism of nato and his kind of pulling back on that traditional role. and i think with mike johnson, you did see more of that kind of resurface? then you might have expected in this spike, but overall, the general trajectory is that that part of the party is receiving the isolation is trumpian nationalist jd vance. part is ascending. and if you are just under like an polio at chicago council on global affairs, just

under half of republicans republican voters say they support an aggressive role for america in the world. they are now the minority and they have to face the reality that on most issues the party is going to continue to evolve away, not toward for them, i thought was interesting. jonathan martin, politically really richly reported piece about. >> we have, yes, exactly. and it was about how mike johnson lobby trump, so to speak, and how the republicans lobby trump to your could i agree that you could kill this bill if you wanted to stand the cg-islands and it was an interesting piece. it was essentially saying, you know, president trump, but if you are elected and you let them sack kyiv, you will enter office in chaos in europe. and it was obviously can sing well in that, in that piece, jonathan martin at politico also writes about foreign leaders who were lobbying donald trump, the british foreign prime minister, david cameron. >> he writes, also made the palm beach pilgrimage. you went down to mar-a-lago and underscore that europe actually was making this financial

commitment and they had made a commitment to ukraine. they say it's, he writes it was also no coincidence. cameron and foreign ministers of germany and italy cut a video. good way to talk to trump from the g7 foreign ministers conference last week where they emphasize this need and as significant the polish president duda, made his own well-timed track to see trump this time from tower manhattan, used a lengthy wednesday dinner last night to discuss europe doing more for ukraine and putins expansionist appetites faeser mean this clearly that also demonstrates that these leaders are preparing for donald trump to potentially be elected. >> again but this bill also included aid for israel, which because contentious on the democratic side, what do you see here? >> yeah, that's right. >> senator sanders, for whom i've managed his presidential campaign, voted against this and on specifically because of israel and the us has real relationship i think is one of the most struggling points, right now because i think most of i think i'll vast majority of democrats within the

democratic party are wanting some accountability for netanyahu whose actions and not when you have the watson killing of what, 30,000 plus civilians in gaza without any sense of, is there accountability when you go over the line from an american government. now what you'd now that present mine has gotten the funding. i think a lot of progressives, a lot of people have been democratic party you going to say, okay, so you've got the funding now. it doesn't have to flow without condition what are you going to do to institute some conditions? use that as leverage. that's now that point for present biden to show, hey, yeah, i got money in my pocket to give to you with some strings attached and change in the behavior of israel. >> there's a day on the calendar circle, may 8 wch is administration has to report to congress whether israeis using the ar ware sendg inccordae with whether they arempeding the flowot only of a directly fromhe us, but from international organitions that we support interests that was part of an earlier dea with senate democrats who opposed unconditional aid the adminstration gonna have to certify and that would b

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administration is challenging one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country in idaho, president biden was in florida yesterday, a state that's about to start enforcing its own six-week abortion ban for 50 years the court rule that there was a fundamental constitutional right to privacy but two years ago that was taken away let's be real clear. >> there's one person responsible for this nightmare, and he's acknowledged and he brags about a donald trump the panels back and cnn legal analyst formula, former deputy assistant attorney general for legislative affairs at the department of justice. >> elliot williams it's also here. elliott. good morning for being here. what are we going to see from the supreme court today? >> who know well, okay, big picture. >> that's explained what before the shirt was before the court. there is a law named emtala. what it does is requires hospitals that receive federal funding to provide

emergency care eric, do you anyone that comes in or divert those people to another facility that can now the question is that sometimes abortions are, can be regarded as emergency care. now, you say that word and immediately the political maelstrom starts. idaho has a law focusing on the life of the fetus as they say, the the not yet born child and has said that the biden administration is attempting to shoe horn abortions into state law. that doesn't require it. what this all means is the quagmire that has opened up since dobbs and forget whether dobbs ended abortion, didn't then to abortion or someone what it did was usher in an era of uncertainty around the country where now you have this patchwork of state and federal laws that aren't going to be in conflict with each other. and you're going to keep seeing challenges like yes. >> so ron brownstein, i mean, this kind of goes to this idea and i'm just going to bring in some personal experience here

as you move through your life as a woman you need different things from your health care. i happen to be at the stage of life for a lot of people trying to have children. and i have spoken with friends who are hesitant to travel to states with laws like this. because if they experience, these are again very wanted children in the case of the people that i'm talking about, if you go to florida you have a medical emergency because something happens in your pregnancy and look, these things happen and in these situations they're tragic. this is what they're considering, right? like if i go to idaho and i'm pregnant and i have an emergency, are they going to help me? or not? >> look, i mean, we are living through this enormous divergence in rights depending on where you live, abortion is like one component of it. but like we are seeing i think is greater divergence in our society among the states that we have at any point since jim crow and it involves more states by roughly half the states a rolling back abortion rights, rolling back voting rights, a lot of lgbtq issues, school censorship, and book

bands. and this is one of the first cases reaching the supreme court that will address, that will give us a signal of how they are going to deal with this, this whole broad change in american life. they ushered in they kind of triggered the divergence on abortion by resending the national constitutional right under roe. but all of these other issues are working their way through the courts at anna conveyor belt toward the supreme court and the question of whether they are going to allow the red states to undertake this really fundamental remaking of the american rights landscape this is going to be, i think one of the first signals, other one, one more thing. it's not. and to be clear about the specific issue here the idaho law refers to the death of the mother. that's sort of intervening for emergency care to save the for the death of the mother its way. there's a question about whether they save those bright

the ambiguity as well. what about a circumstances certain sense in which a mother's life is not endanger however, he is bleeding or faces are held, or some other major health concern that's not for the life of the mother. there's a host of other medical complications that could be caused by pregnancy and could be rectified by having an abortion. and that's where the fight between the federal government, the state of idaho, right right now. >> yeah. can i just say that allowing something bad to happen to you? mean the number of unintended consequences is just enormous. and we already have so many mothers the maternal mortality rate in this country is a travesty. anyway highest in the states that ban abortion, two, that's an interesting factor on all right, elliott. >> thank you. i really appreciate it coming up next here. mike johnson, the house speaker on his way to the campus of columbia university, or pro-palestinian protesters are still camped out plus are five things you got to see a gator hiding in a plane's landing gear. oh, my goodness

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west central texas between lubbock and midland. you can see that slight risk of severe storms this afternoon. main threats here, large hail, damaging winds. but what you'll see in just a moment is how this expands and coverage and impacts a larger population density as we progress through this week. in the meantime, we have a cold front that's impacting the east coast. so prepare yourself, new york, boston to dc. you've got a soggy start to your wednesday that will impact your travel plans. but as promised, here's the expanding severe weather threat, four morrow enhanced risk includes dodge city, just west of oklahoma city. this is an area that the storm prediction center has highlighted for the potential for some strong tornadoes that shifts east worley a slight risk on friday, but something we need to keep in mind with this many days and lead time to moines all the way to dallas include including springfield, missouri sorry it could be very active, lots of rain. there's also a flash flood component to this weather system as it evolves over the next few days, kasie. >> all right. are weatherman van damme, derrick. thank you

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two days are omar jimenez is on the columbia campus this morning with the latest a o'mara morning to you good morning kasie. so yeah, those negotiations, they were there were two key moments where obviously the columbia president said a midnight deadline for them to come to an agreement. otherwise, you're going to have to find alternative options. do its mantle, the encampment, that deadline came and went and then a university spokesman said within a few hours after that deadline that they actually did make some progress. and i want to tell you some of those negotiating being tentpoles, including dismantling and removing a significant number of tents inside on campus behind me, ensuring that those not affiliated with columbia university will leave the only university students participate in the protests that they comply with all of the fire departments. requirements with respect to activities and safety, and take steps to make the encampment welcome to all people. now, look, i spoke to some of the students biden's in that in cameron yesterday, and they claim they have been

welcoming, but i also spoke to some jewish students who said that they, that some of them have felt intimidated and that has been the crux of a lot of this protest. i also want to make a ketose station that there has been difference in protests that have happened on campus versus off-campus that they gates just behind me where you see some of the barricades and some of the officers, the off-campus ones can have non-students because obviously it's the sidewalk here, but it's it's so much so to the point that the student protesters have tried to distance themselves from some of the messaging that comes on the outside. because those tend to be a little bit more violent in nature. and at least an implication as well. now, look, as you mentioned, speaker johnson is expected to come visit did here later today to meet with jewish students to talk about the quote troubling rise of anti-semitism on american college campuses. and remember, there are house republicans who have called for the columbia university president get minouche shafik to resign over how she has

handled this situation here. so obviously, we'll see what comes of his visit. he will likely see the encampment for himself. hear from some of those jewish students, but not all of whom have felt on flexible with what has happened. but clearly a good number of them all right. >> are omar jimenez for us at columbia university. omar. thank you very much for that. the panel is back here should care. let me let me bring you in here because this of course, has become such an emotional at flashpoint and it was part for the debate that we saw play out on the senate floor last night as well senator bernie sanders, who you've worked for for quite some time. i had this to say in the course of that debate, watch this war stopped being about defending israel a long time ago what is going on now is the destruction of the very fabric of palestinian life it is impossible to look at these facts and not conclude

that the israeli government's policy has been quite deliberately to make gaza uninhabitable for palestinians. mr. president, that is why we must end our complicity in this terrible war so of course, senator sanders giving voice to what many of those protesters are talking about as they set up these cabinets in columbia. >> now that said, there clearly have been lines crossed in the context of the anti-semitic things that have been yelled at jewish students and what they have reported what do you see as, as you see those? camerota columbia. what is your view of how the administration of the university has handling it and how that's playing out here in washington. >> those of us who've been on campuses it's for much of our lives node that they're always places of hotbed controversy and debate. we want it away with. that is the purpose of one of the main course. go to

college to engage with others substantively your, most of these students are coming to this with sincerely held views they aren't bsn they're actually believes strongly that palestinians lives are being forsaken don't, people don't care about them, and somebody has to give them voice, particularly in american political context, in which you're sending even what, 24 billion more to israel. is there any concern that we gotta give aid and support to palestinians? they're giving from voice to that. i have no problems with it. i love that. obviously do it within the bounds of good normal discourse. and when persuasive allies, right, do it with good persuasive tactics. this freedom movement, i think the left is winning right? now, only freedom, freedom on campus to have your voice, which i remember conserved as long used to argue for, right campus speech, right? that's happening freedom for women choose freedom for workers in the workplace to organize all these freedom movements are going on and i see us as a democratic party, as it progresses. the one pushing and saying, hey, tim democracy, it's pretty

good. >> is there not some tension though between, i mean, if if you're arguing that these protesters mean do you think they should be able to say or things that i mean, there was pressure in that in the hearing, whereas is it against the code of conduct to yell things that are anti-semitic because i worked at the aclu for awhile and i happened to come from a place of desires for speech. i want people to say what you truly believe say it? now, when you say things that are actually hurtful and anti-semitic in nature, or islamophobic in nature, you should expect that people will come and hold you accountable for it, right? that's how you learn, that's how we grow. now, i don't want people banning speech. that's where i particularly draw the line. i think you need to get you should be held accountable for when you say and do things. there should be an awareness, understanding of education and learning from those. >> how do you see the pushback on college campuses from liberals who said that conservatives giving speeches on their campuses are being invited to speak on their campuses was harmful because that's the other side of this. write that there are a lot of

protesters on the left. >> you want to be able to speak the way that you're outlining. but a lot of them have opposed code for sure. i'm going to their campus. that's right. >> i've long believed and when and holter would come to a campus or whomever it might be. i always said, you want them to come. you don't have to attend it obligation to be there you could go and you can turn it out. you can do a whole variety of tactics that stops somebody from speaking, right? i am happened to believe in discourse and amir, i want freedom of speech. >> look at that split screen you just had though, about how many campuses we are saying that obviously there is antisemitic behavior going on as part of this, but it is way beyond that here's legitimate concern. this is an issue that i think is dividing the democratic coalition as much as any foreign policy decision by a democratic president. since vietnam, i mean, multiple polls with two thirds of democrats opposing further offensive weapons to israel, quinnipiac at a poll where benjamin yeah, it favorable view among democrats was 5%, 5% one out of

20. now chris, the paradox is that the, the voters who are the most discontented over, particularly young voters, over biden's policy toward israel. if they stand back and kind of both third party or don't vote at all they make it more likely to empower a republic, a trump administration that would be even more unwilling to confront him and johnson's visit today, i think as a reminder of that of that fundamental paradox, there. so this is something that biden really needs to get resolved because it is it is it is a deepening problem for him the problem he's god is that is a netanyahu's interests not to have it in. i mean, he wants it to go on as long as possible because the further october 7 is in the rearview mirror when he has to face the voters. the better for him. so this is, i think the pressure i'm buying to establish more distance with netanyahu is going to grow, not diminished.

>> so speaking of that, and you mentioned vietnam at biden is set to give a commencement speech at morehouse universe. morehouse college, and it's clear that the campaign and the administration is aware that this is going to be a flashpoint. this was morehouse alum now a civil rights attorney. and as someone who works at the council on american-islamic relations talking about biden's impending address to the timing is bad. >> i mean, it would almost be like inviting lyndon johnson to come and speak at morehouse at the height of the vietnam war, i do expect that there will be a vocal outcry about this, but i do think in the spirit of morehouse in the history morass, it will be respectful. >> it'll be intelligent, it will be effected so there you go. >> yeah. look, i mean, in at harvard iop poll of young voters, this wasn't necessarily their top concern, but biden's approval rating on the war among people younger than 30 was 18% yeah. okay.

>> so you're talking and among, and among young democrats, it was overwhelmingly negative as well. i mean, this is, this is a reality that they are facing. they need strong showings among young voters. they are underperforming for a lot of reasons. but this is one of them. i think feds. to that point, it says, what is happening in gaza is not a top issue for young voters. >> the biden campaign tells pull it a go. it's not going to be for the vast majority of young voters. the thing that's going to determine whether they vote or how they vote right? i think ultimately that to make a choice as navy choice, election, right? who's with your values, generally speaking, more often than the other person? and i do think that that obviously looks at a whole variety of issues. i think there's a lot of working class issues out there that speak to young people the organizing this going on at the uaw, it's one of the most popular things i've seen among young people right now, organizing at starbucks and amazon, biden, most per labor candidate ever probably. and i think it speaks to young people in different ways. they can't give you departmentalized and

silo is just by one issue, just last word, zooming out and mike johnson, he's trying to solidify his republican base. i think this triptych columbia is a way to unify that as well. yeah, very interesting point. all right. come up next to your donald trump waiting for a judge to decide whether he's gonna be held in contempt for violating a gag order, plus president biden looking at a major endorsement used for two weeks. now it's a $1,500 coat rack. didn't even learn smoke on the water, broke her pinky older groin, glued it to the table babble interesting and she even speak a word of spanish. >> let's see, i'm so good. his tweet really yeah. >> so. on so look into amino, those are layer start learning today, babele.com row sparks engineered for the spontaneous, a dual action formula with the active ingredients of viagra and sialic faster acting and

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tennessee teachers could soon be armed. >> the state legislature passing a controversial bill that would allow a teacher or staff member to carry a concealed handgun on school grounds. the bill now heads to the governor who could sign it, veto it, or simply allow it to take effect president biden set to get a major union endorsement today, the north america's building trades unions, there'll be one of the earliest presidential endorsements ever. the group's leaders, citing the president's major infrastructure bill also today we are awaiting a gag order ruling from the judge overseeing donald trump's criminal hush money trial after tensions boiled over in court yesterday, judge juan merchan warning the defense team that they're quote losing all credibility with the court at a hearing to determine whether trump violated an order preventing him from publicly discussing witnesses, then during that very hearing, there was this 20 minutes after his lawyer told the judge, president trump is being very careful to comply with your

order trump very carefully posted this highly conflicted to put it mildly, by the way, you can put them wildly when you're using all caps shot is taken away. my constitutional right to free speech. he violated the gag order during a hearing about whether he violated the gag during a hearing. >> okay. are panels back? michael moore joins us my goal is that what he did? he probably did. i'm glad there had been a lot of technical violations of the gag over the sum of the substance, i think is still questionable and maybe they stretched a little bit on trying to get the tin tim violations, but he just has a habit of not being able to sort of keep his mouth shut. so his lawyer during that battling the gag order, both in the courtroom and then of course, when it gets terms of blues on his own, right, social media, they were dressing down his lawyers for that. i mean, is his lawyer actually responsible i mean, no one bear response. >> lawyers got a job to put it the case up and he's creating a record, he's preserving a

record for appeal, so he's doing that. i will say this. i mean, if you've never been peeled off by judge, you've probably hadn't been in court very much. i make you sort of expand once in a while to catch a little bit. and so that's, that's that's what he did. but he was in a little bit of an impossible task and that is to defend some of the indefensible comments sent him been made, and there were things he could have raised. i think like you do the ambiguity of the order sort of the vagueness of some habit to overbreadth of some of some of the terms of the order of those things to me may have been better arguments and sort of this back-and-forth with the judge and not answer the question. >> yeah. >> run brownstein, a lot of this involves michael cohen, right? >> and i think this is the wall street journal editorial board pose this question yesterday, and it sort of has stuck in my head like on the one hand, this gag order bands talking about the jury, right? >> which trump has gone out and done, right. he has said they're all liberals, right? potentially inviting attacks on what would otherwise be anonymous citizens going about their daily lives, right? >> okay. that on the one hand, the other hand, you have

michael cohen, who has been a political actor in this space, who has gone to prison, has been involved with donald trump for a long time and is out there attacking donald trump. de see a distinction between these and does donald trump have an argument to say it's not fair? fair to keep me from attacking him when he's attacking me. >> and the judge and the judge is family don't forget. >> of course. i would set that in with the jury. i mean, that's why i mean, we've never had a former president facing criminal charges and wireless running for president. he was running for president in a meeting with former japanese prime, spending all day and the dingy courtroom. as a criminal defendant under supervision by the court. and then at night, it's sort of like it's like that man or something. it becomes this other person and he's, he's world leader meeting with, meeting with former world leaders it is a difficult call on someone like michael cohen, but ultimately he is, he is he it's a criminal defendant. and i think he is under those rules in the end. that is that is what has

to apply if you believe that we are a nation were known as above the law. and we live under the rule of law i don't see why there should be a carveout. >> i'll leave it to the lawyer here, but why there should be a carveout for him distinct from someone else. in the next courtroom? 20 feet down, up down the hall, michael, you know, i know. i think he's. right i mean, i think he is tremens at a different position because he's a criminal defendant. i think the key here might have been from prosecutor to decide which things they were going to move forward on for a violation. so when you're star witness or one of your star witnesses is throwing the barbs. it's a little hard then to turn around and say, well, but the defendants violated by say since nasty things about me, i left that went out and looked for more things, were trump's comment about the jury or something like that? those to me seem like easier calls for the judge. >> yeah. might. want to think i think that's probably the right call. i mean, i'm trying to keep him at the oj simpson trial, not about the serious allegations, but just the fact that we're covering this every day. in witnesses, but are either already well-known, but back then they were becoming celebrities. so it's like cato kaitlan going and attacking oj

simpson every day on cable news. very impressive. so it is a little bit one-sided, right? fair. if, if one person saying is guys guilty, but up at the bar and it's like, wait a minute, i'm kinda hamstrung here. it's a weird scenario and it does speak to the press the nature of all this. >> all right, so let's stick with the politics here because we did learn in court yesterday, a lot about catch and kill. david pecker, the head of the national enquirer, acknowledging under oath that they did this ron brownstein, how remarkable was this testimony? i mean, i have to say i mean, we've known about this phenomenon, but right here it laid out in court is still, is still striking. i mean, we don't know what the impact of this trial ultimately is going to be on donald trump. i was struck there was a paul made about two weeks ago now, api national thing research center found that voters were less likely to view this as serious

than the other cases they were less likely to believe he committed a crime and then the other big case like election interference, which is going to turn that supreme court hearing tomorrow. but the surprising thing about this poll was even though they thought it was less likely, he can committed a crime, the share of people who said that he would be unfit to be president if convicted was roughly the same as in the other cases that interest that suggests there is a threshold like voters are going to have if he is convicted ultimately, which is not guaranteed voters are going to have to grapple with that threshold. are they willing to put some one who was a convicted felon back in the oval office are a lot of jobs that you might not be able to get. if you are in his urine, his position, are they willing to give him the most important position not only the country but the world. >> yeah the republican voters against trump as a new ad out. it's likely underscoring this. i don't have to probably too late for us to try to dig it up and find it to play it, but it's basically like you know, you can't go to your local mall and get a job with these. not

not even without the convictions, just without these allegations, but you could maybe be present. the united states. what is your assessment of one of the things i think that's so challenging about covering donald trump, right? is it? like none of the laws have ever applied, right? like you think that like a trial involving a porn star and like allegations of an affair and it's like it's incredibly sorted and we're all being dragged back to when all these allegations first came out in 2015 and 2016. >> but does it matter to your point, i'm already learning anything new about donald trump and i think from my vantage point, i said it's either this entire segment, i'm going to maintain my viewpoint on this. i want speech, i want fries, i want donald trump to keep talking the things that we're going to learn about him are just revelations about his behavior. what happens when ron says, do you believe that the law applies to everybody? no, he doesn't. do you believe that judges have authority over the score? no, he doesn't. do you believe that the opposing counsel should be able project the case? no, i don't. like, you're going to see the qualities of do you want that person to be the chief executor of this land? do you want them to be literally the owners of all of the laws of the united

states. to me, that's the journey that we're on and we're going to see it. >> let's let's just watch what, what the fact that this trial is playing out right now has prompted mitt romney former governor center of massachusetts, and chatterley, well-known pious man, had to say i think everybody has made their own assessment president trump's character and so far as i know, you don't pay someone $130,000 not to have sex with you? >> matt? yeah you know but i will say this like the conversation we've had, what i worked for mitt romney, you know, some of you all covered him when he was in the primary against whether it's nuclear gingrich or others, rick santorum, they have a boom lit and the rami team, we'd all kinda come in and basham with opposition research and you go ads and make they fall back down. >> you talking about when you worked for jeb from around

okay. but then i worked for jeb and the phenomenon that we all kinda talk about, this has been, been talking about for a decade, was okay. trump comes up already the go just kinda playbook that we've done with romney and all of a sudden, what for decades, one plus one equal to one plus one suddenly equals three. >> i see what you, it's, it's, it doesn't make sense. >> and so i think with the tough challenge, we've been doing this for a decade now so what i hear from democrats, oh, he's, you know, trump's this, trump's that it's okay. but wait a minute what is different than what people have been saying since 2015 about this? i think that is a challenge for them as they go forward message, all of this. >> yeah, it's a really good way to think about it and look, speaking of one plus one equaling three, et cetera, one of the other things that we learned yesterday, was that the national enquirer are also basically acknowledged that they made up the story that was on this cover back during the 2016 campaign, which is that ted cruz, his father, was linked to the jfk assassination. and there is this picture there. you see lee

harvey oswald and rob i feel cruz, that's ted cruz's father. and at the time well, let's let me show you what ted cruz had to say about it. >> and then we'll show you what donald trump had to say about it. >> donald trump alleges that my dad was involved in assassinating jfk now, let's be clear this is not this is not a reasonable position. this is just kooky ted cruz, let's be clear. >> now, fully support donald trump, ron right? >> i mean, it actually hold on before you go. >> let's play what donald trump was saying about ted cruz at the time there's, father was with lee harvey oswald prior to oswald was being shot every the whole thing is ridiculous. >> what, what is this right prior to his being? john? and nobody even brings it up. i mean, they don't even talk about that. that was reported

and nobody talks about it, but i think it's horrible you know, some competition between ted cruz, marco rubio, and lindsey graham or the politicians who are the most in a game of thrones esque way broken by now i'll trump in 2016, and i've never found the nerve to kind of get off the knee. >> i mean, they bended me. just say one gritty political point which is it is highly unlikely that joe biden is going to run as well in 2024 as he get in 2020. among men, he's not going to run particularly as well among black and hispanic men, largely over discontent about the economy, which means that if he's going to win, he's going to have to run. he's gonna have to have an even bigger gender gap than he did last time. he is, in fact, in most polls holding his support among women. and that is i do wonder about that aspect of the trial, the sordidness of this and just kinda the details of everything that you know, that is that is there's involved here at the margin helping by annuity what he needs to do

among women because he is going to have either almost an impossible task, trying to equal his number from 2020 among men. yeah michael moore just as we wrap up this conversation what are you looking at next in this trial? >> i mean, in terms of what david laying the groundwork with. all right a trial is really a story about a case, a set of facts. >> and so we're watching the prosecution put pages in the book of the story right now, and so they began to fill out and they fill in chapters and they bring witnesses to sort of start to tell a story. they were bringing in people who have details about it. i think i'm going to sort preview defenses that we're going to hear from the trump camp in from the defense team. and so that's something and again, they're going to probably be pretty preview and defenses at arrays both in court and out-of-court. frankly. but we'll watch him start to flesh that out. i hope what they did is they keep it simple. they keep the case focused. they may be not get caught up in as much of a distraction. and then they all begin to figure out how to

deal with when they put up michael cohen, when they put up ms daniels, we'll see where they were. they go with that. that'll be reminder that we're just beginning. we're just beginning. all right. >> all right. >> on that note i'll leave you with this it's hardly been a fortnight and taylor swift's new album, tortured poets department, is already historic. it's set streaming milestones, broken the record for first week vinyl sales at is poised to top the billboard charts when they come out next week, if tortured poets department rises to the top spot as expected, swift will tie jay-z as the artist with the second most number one albums on the charts only behind these guys don't