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i wonder what i will be doing? probably still living here with mom and dad. fast reliable speeds right where you need them. that's wall-to-wall wifi with xfinity. elizabeth wagmeister in la it's friday, april 26, right now on cnn this morning, donald while trump's immunity claims and the hands of the supreme court, the justices sending some signals about how they might rule a new cnn poll, how voters feel about the former president's claim that he's being treated unfairly and pro-palestinian protests spreading the campuses across the country as columbia university struggles to end, a student occupation 6:00 a.m. here in washington, alive. look at capitol hill on this friday morning. >> good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us institution

after institution has shied away from taking donald trump on directly. his campaign rivals, the republican house leadership the senate republicans, who didn't convict him he said donald john trump, be is hereby acquitted the charge that after his lawyers assured that behind the scenes that trump could always be prosecuted later if they acquitted him this body is not invited to act as the nation's overarching moral tribunal. >> we have a criminal justice system in this country we have civil litigation and former president's are not immune from being accountable by either one even the incoming biden justice department under merrick garland seem to put off accelerating the prosecution until the january 6 committee effectively forced their hand

all of these people in washington, they all convinced themselves that someone else, anyone else, or something else would take him on, take him down, even which in private they would say they desperately wanted. >> and they were afraid now it seems to be the conservative supreme court's turn. the arguments yesterday suggests they two are going to kick the can down the road instead of quickly deciding one way or the other whether voters will have a chance to consider a convicted or exonerated trump before they all have to vote in the 2024 election. arguments yesterday suggests that they're split decision will just delay the trial. most likely well, past november 5, 2024 trump's lawyers now arguing the failure of those senate republicans to convict is exactly what let's trump off the hook from criminal prosecution. now so mr. sour, you've argued that the impeachment clause suggests are requires impeachment to be a gateway to criminal prosecution, right? yes. i think that's the plain meaning of that second phrase in the clause. keep in mind that the

criminal prosecution of a president, president prior to impeachment contradicts, argue with the plain language constitution, but also hundreds of years of history so it's to be left to the voters. >> but again, the voters may not get the chance to find out if trump is guilty of conspiring to overturn an election until they have to decide whether to send him back to the offit oval office a panels here, let's bring in david fromm, staff writer for the atlantic republican strategist, sarah longwell, former white house senior policy adviser, ashley allison. i thank you all for being here on this friday. david fromm and incredibly consequential day yesterday. and it just seems to me that again, we're not going to get an answer to what happened here before the election. >> well, i have more sympathy than some for the project the committee in which the supreme court finds itself, the law of the presidency. all of it was has accreted on the assumption the president is a good and honest person trying to do his or her best under difficult circumstances and often having to do things that stand before the judgment of history,

dropping the bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki was that was that a necessary act of self-defense? was that a war crime? we still argue about it the system was unready for a career criminal to enter the office someone who is a career criminal, in ways both large overthrowing the constitution, any credibly petty paying hush money to people to, to kill embarrassing stories about himself the supreme court has to write a law that will stand that will be there forever and it's a consequential thing. they have to do. and we have lots of cases. i was reading about a case today you've probably war crimes prosecutions against japanese officials after the second world war where the supreme court hasten to do things to punish bad people that left behind legal regimes that we're not sure we want to live with ever afterwards so they happen to i completely take your point, david. >> i absolutely agree. this is a very weighty thing. but that said they couldn't have done this in december when jack smith asked them to and they didn't. >> well, what would it off? what i think they should do here? something that is, they won't do this. i'm afraid, but

they could say, look we're not going to decide whether the official acts of the president are subject to criminal prosecution. but we'll leave that for another time. what we're going to tell you is overthrowing the overthrowing election. it's not an official act and make a factual finding and it says, as they did in bush versus gore, which embarrassing versus them, but where they, they said look, someone has to do this. we'll do it, we'll say what the president did here are the former president. these are, these are crimes, these are clearly crimes. these, this is a coup. and now he can be prosecuted for those things when we are saying that legal question, we postpone the factual question, we decide here and now it doesn't seem like it, sir, what did you see yesterday? >> every time we find ourselves at a new junction on this particular issue, i become deeply enraged because to be mad days, so calmly becomes to blame the supreme court for where we find ourselves in this timeline, right? like i want the voters to know whether or not donald trump will be he convicted of trying to overturn

an election before they go vote. >> but as you pointed out in your leadup, there has been a dereliction of duty all along where the republicans refused to hold him accountable with impeachment doj, why it took so long to get to this point, like we shouldn't be in this position now. >> and this is where donald trump and his experience in courts and courtrooms and in legal issues, they figured out how to have a delay tactic to get them past the point where he can be held accountable and it looks like minors, there was a the piece and rolling stone yesterday where they were celebrating already and it was like they were his people from his campaign and they were saying it doesn't matter where they land on the immunity charge because it's not really the point. the point is, we're going to get this delayed past the point at which americans are gonna go vote. yeah, i mean, to be clear, i very much when, when i conceive of this and how we've gotten here, it's been through just the day-to-day coverage of how this has all played out through all of these various institutions.

>> and yes, now we happen to be here with the court, but ashley allison, it does seem that they are going to have the last word before we actually get to the election of 2024, where people are going to have to to decide. >> and we know from talking to voters that and from all of our exit polling and our cnn polling, that whether or not he's convicted in this january 6 case actually really matters to them. yeah this. case matters more than some other cases because bill likelihood with the hush money case that david reference, that's happening in new york right now. we might actually have a verdict before the election it'll be a rush, but we could get there. >> like i have been really trying to reflect on why we're in this situation. >> why do the republicans now hold him responsible? why did it take doj so long why now are we relying on a pretty conservative supreme court that many in this country you fill doesn't have a great reputation and is hyper

politicized. and i don't think i have the answers to all of that, but what i will say is yesterday i felt like there was a lot of writing on the wall. the trunk team is celebrating perhaps because they think they're going to win in november. and if they win in november, we know that he will throw this case. it goes away and if he those this case out, what does that allow him to do then as president, he's already made really not even just blatant threats of how we would go after people, how would go after folks who don't agree with them? some of the scenarios that the justices played out yesterday, and i'm afraid that this writing on the wall is suggesting that we could be on this very slippery slope that many people have warned. some folks warned about january 6 before it, and people weren't believing it because his behavior has become so norm one, we're so used to it, but we cannot remain complacent. our institutions will not survive another attack on why hope they will, but they most likely won't survive because i don't think people even understand how close we came on

january 6 and david from as we wrap up here you wrote this on twitter yesterday. during the arguments you said, quote, the crux of the problem, it is not actually a hypothetical to ask, what if a president tries to affect a coup d'etat to retain power after losing reelection, it happened, treating the question as a hypothetical is both a niall and excuse. >> yes. i agree with that. that is that he did write it that is we are looking to people to save us when we did not save ourselves, there was an attempted coup. there's an attempt to seize power by 40, by fraud and then by force, that's a fact and we are struggling to deal with it because we never suppose no one ever suppose. >> what is the prayer that is inscribed over the mantle in the eastern let none but why is an honest man ever rule under this roof? and they weren't all wise. they weren't all honest, but we had no one who's both neither wise nor before and now we're coping with it all right. are panels go stick around up next is donald trump being treated fairly as a defendant in his

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people to try to stand up ahead of donald trump. not least, the people that actually ran against him in the primary. >> yeah. i mean, look, this idea of nobody wants to be the one to actively take on donald trump has been replete through republican politics since he came on the scene. they all want him gone none of them want to do it themselves. they are all say it privately and this is where when you look at the republican primary this time, if you're mike pence, what's your theory of the case for becoming president? like, could mike pence go to a trump rally without armed security, without being under physical, he could not. nikki haley, i think she realized maybe during the course or her campaign at the party is completely different. it's like their theory of the case for becoming the actual president wasn't oh, the voters want me. it was like maybe something happens to donald trump. he's an old man, so maybe something. and also like maybe he goes to jail like that. was there. nobody's got a plan a to take them on. they've all got a plan b, which is the down trump disappears some way they do nothing to hasten that.

>> well we don't want to face the truth about what happened. we don't want to face the truth that many of our fellow americans supported it. there parts of it brings into, brings for many painful points in american history because these things are unfortunately want to think there are but they happened to the state level in the 1860s and 1870s. we have, we have seen violent contest for power in the united states before. there was a war in arkansas for the civil war, in which i think good one candidate for governor may have actually literally murdered another candidate for governor, haven't seen, we haven't, we haven't seen it, but it's in the dna and we have to do it again. and i think the courts are saying in many ways, we're not equipped to this because we are trying to figure out the rights and wrongs of the bounds of presidential power. >> we are not ready to deal with a situation where such a person has become president of the united states through a freak of the electoral college. >> and you've had someone who tried to make a literal coup d'etat of a kind that americans never associate with their own country i do think we

did see it january 6. i give you wanted to see it, it happened. you were there we were probably all in the city when it happened. it was very real. it was very scary to even be in the city and there was a whole hearing from the january 6 committee that showed it over and over. >> and so again, i go to the question about why you're here. the other thing that i have this extra question for you because you talked to republican voters way more than i do a lot of republican vote. >> i hang out with you so here's my question. i understand that there's a base that really support donald trump but that base is not 50% from every the conference. it's 30, right so where's the 70% of the voters that actually, if elected officials is a politicians who we have all pretty much conceded that we've lost faith in and that they're not going to be the adults in the room. where are those 70% of republican voters?

why did they not show up? i know during the primary it was because we needed to consolidate the field. i mean, 150,000 of them pa this week did show up and say we still don't want donald trump so why are those 70% of republican voters not doing anything? but then in 2020 or two gives me 2022 actually 2020. and in 2023, there were other issues like row that really did animate the base. voters did show up and the people that donald trump's support, it laws. and there was an opportunity to break but again, the elected officials didn't follow the voters league, but the robinson's aren't doing so the seat, congressional seat held by george hw bush, which was held by republicans until 2018, is a democratic seat. now, the congressional seat held by newt gingrich, which was republican until 2018, is a democratic seat. now the seat had held by eric cantor is a democratic seat now. so there have been at this, we always talk about the trump voters and their diners. but in the heartland of the republican

party, people with mortgages, people with kids in college people with a little more to lose in society that people with college educations, they have been moving out. and i think that's part of the message that the democrats need to use or the biden campaign needs use in 2024, which is america has asked things if people and some people had very hard things to do and you have an easy thing to do, which is for once in your life, cross a party-line to save the constitution and then go back, go back. >> let's work. i just want to reverse you're numbers actually, because i think 70% of the republican party believes that the election was stolen. 70% of the republican party actively wants donald trump. it's this 30% that doesn't believe the election was stolen. that was sort of voting for nikki haley. those are your persuadable voters and those are the people that need to be persuaded in this moment. when i said that we hadn't seen it, i met up until january. oh, yeah. yeah. right like, you need those voters to see how dangerous donald trump isn't to actively reject that future. that means they're going against their tribe and actively voting for democrats,

which is an uncomfortable thing and why there has to be, this is why these are so important. they have to see why the lack of a trial matter, yes. exactly. much. all right. just ahead here, pro-palestinian protesters arrested on college campuses across the country plus realities parking kardashian joining vice president harris at the white house for a policy discussion they're. with us the white house correspondents dinner live tomorrow at seven eastern on cnn. the future is not just going to happen. you have to make it and if you want a successful business, all it takes is an idea. and now becomes the future. a future where you grew a dream into a reality it's waiting for you. mere minutes away the future is nothing but power and it's all yours. >> the all new godaddy arrow, get your business online in minutes with the power of ai. hi, i'm jason. i've lost 228

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were arrested after they quote exercise their first amendment rights for several hours and quote, and then disobeyed police orders to leave at least 33 people were detained at indiana university after police say they refused to take down a tent encampment at columbia university in new york pro-israel and pro-palestinian protesters lined up on opposite sides of the street. this case, we have peaceful chanting and drumming the university says talks with protesters are ongoing. and showing progress. cnn's polo sandoval is live at the columbia campus on new york's upper west side polo. good morning to you. were there any rest reported by nypd last night? and what is the tension level at where you are? >> well, security continues to be high as do tensions. but initially what we had heard where these reports of a possible deadline in these negotiations that are ongoing between liters of that pro-palestinian encampment located on the columbia university and the institution itself hover yesterday we heard from organizations that rather than it being a deadline, this is actually more of a timeline

for these negotiations that are ongoing and these are negotiations casey that i heard are very much not currently hitting a stalemate. if anything is we heard from y organized. you're actually told me yesterday that they have shown some progress. and this is the same thing that we also heard late last night from columbia university to the to be clear, neither side will elaborate on what that progress actually means. and most importantly, what is preventing a possible deal that to remind you in our view? first right now of the objectives of all sides of this, the students here looking for divestment and also amnesty for the students who have been published. the results of a participant depending on the semester. the university, basically they want this encampment the fear that it could be impeding with the university operations. i we also heard you yesterday from one of the students. it's on that negotiating team, casey and he's characterizing these negotiations as focused and friendly. so it's certainly positive, but the same time we also heard from the uterus diversity last night to saying they have their demands and we have ours and the president, casey of columbia is hoping

that these negotiations are successful. when will that happen? >> it is very much still yet to be seen all right. >> polo sandoval at for us in new york. hello. thank you. >> up next here, one defendant to court's critical developments in donald trump's hush money trial and his immunity case. >> plus secretary of state antony blinken meeting with chinese president xi. what they talked about fast sides, signage that gets you noticed. it turns hot, lots that signs make your statement life is better with the credit god's on your side. rewards once available to the view, are now accessible to the many credit one thank get cashback rewards that liz large held its climb inspector get among the most big verdicts and settlements of any law firm in the country,

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immunity for official acts one justice conservative samuel alito, raise the possibility that without immunity, president's could be prosecuted by their successors after a close election. and that could lead to a breakdown of democracy if a, an incumbent who loses a very close hotly contested election knows that a real possibility after leaving office is not that the president is going to be able to go off into a peaceful retirement. >> but that the president may be criminally prosecuted by a bitter political opponent. will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country, isn't democracy all right, panels back in joining us now is former trump white house attorney jim schulte's jim, is that not arguing that well, we could prevent a coup by making

you immune from trying to commit a coup. >> it doesn't. i am so turned around. >> i don't think sam alito was making an argument there. i think sam alito was being being somewhat professorial there and trying to just begged the question, engage with the lawyer on this on this and have him answer the question to kind of tie up other questions, right? you saw kagan come back and ask just the opposite. does if we have if we if we allow for blanket immunity. does that not let's watch that. let's watch that we have that he ordered the military to stage a coup& you're saying that's an official act. >> i think it would tabassum yoon. >> i think it would depend on the circumstances where there was an official act, an official on the way you've described that hypothetical? well, it could well be. i just don't know. he'd have to again, it's a fact specific contexts, acidic determination that answer sounds to me as though it's led yeah, under my test, it's an official act, but that's sure sounds bad,

doesn't it? >> sure does sound bad sure does. >> and i think you saw her go through that analysis. you heard you heard the some of the other justices asks specifically about what's an official act, what's not an official act? i think you're that was part of the had all of these hypotheticals, if you will, that where you had murder taking place, is that something that's an official act? and i think that justice is really went through this kind of academic exercise. and i think they're going to come down and say, and i think if not all of them, come down and say no black and immunity is it an academic exercise they have to solve the problem of today, which is that we had an attempted coup d'etat by serving president. i'd have to solve the problem of tomorrow, which is we not want to have frivolous attacks on future presidents and that's, that's what we pay them to do. but i think the right answer i hope and i hope you're right. i think the right answers for them to say, look, there is no way that a coup d'etat is an official act. we are reserving

the question of what is the immunity for official facts for later we're not we don't have to get decide that question because it's so obvious that attempting to overthrow the constitution of the united states is not an official akre, the president yeah, i mean, sarah, how did you see what alito said there? >> because it really read let me like he was again trying to say, well, if we allow absolute immunity in the case of someone who tried to do a coup that's what's required to dissuade future presidents from also trying to do, it just seemed backwards yeah. i mean, look, i i am not a lawyer. just going to say real clearly, but i do a podcast with a lawyer to help understand the legals george conway talks about this and he actually took very much the same view of the david is taking, which is that this was an exercise and kicking the tires on every hypothetical to figure and his point was, they didn't spend a whole a lot of time on trump's attorney basically because they were like this is an absurd position. we all agree this is an absurd position. so why don't just move on and then go

to this other lawyer who is incredibly competent and capable. and let's run through a whole bunch of scenarios and figure out how we might be thinking about maybe the thing just like george and given me well trained lawyers, is the thing my wife often says to me. you're thinking like a lawyer again, i hate it when you do that, you stop it yeah. >> i think it's said a lot to trump's attorney sat down when you have ability to do rebuttal, right? yeah. and i think he had had enough he knows the justices had enough. they kind of dismissed him out of hand and in really had the government, if you will make its argument, he did a wonderful job de, he's one of the best lawyers in the country, by the way, he does it with no notes. there's not a notes on the table when he's making his argument. that's why it's unbelievable. >> yeah. >> ashley well, look it when kagan said it sounds kind of bad is because it is really bad where we're at right? >> now i also think what justice jackson and ketanji brown jackson said about i think it's most people understand that if you commit a criminal crime, that circa ray

or nixon, excuse me, that the reason why nixon needed to be part in is because most likely he was going to have criminal prosecution and go to jail. and so she got to put it out like we've seen this play out in a different way. i actually did not mind as i am a lawyer by training, but not by practice. and the intellectual exercise because i think this case has so has such implications for where we go as a country, i want every rock picked up, looked under, turned over, and making sure that they ask every question. so at the end of the day, i hope they role of the way that you're suggesting that it's not blanket immunity, that there can't be any well, they just called it quits too early without really taking the tires. as georgia, i had no idea was surrounded by so many lawyers. we actually can show everyone exactly what you were talking about, ashley, let's watch that i'm trying to understand what the addition is from turning the oval office into the seat of criminal activity in this country so jim

david has been making the argument this morning that well, it depends on making sure you don't have someone who's willing to commit a crime in the oval office in the first place, but that we can't rely on that that's right so i do think the one thing that struck me is that they kind of went through this exercise of a subjective test. what's private, what's official, right. >> and i think that that that that analysis, if you will, all of those questions, especially with amy coney barrett in her questioning, their heading down the road, it seems to send this back for some type of evidentiary hearing with a standard that's somewhat subjective rather than objective. >> i think that's going to cause a lot of issues, not just because it gets the trial done, wrote every says, oh, they're going to send it back. it's going to kick the trial down the road. that's horrible because the country needs to see this trial fine. >> but i do think it makes the subjective analysis, if you will, allows for this long

trial within the trial to make a determination is what's official act what's what's non official act? >> and therefore, the not the private acts or criminal when they use the analogy of the a core function of the presidency is making appointments, right? so you can't take a braille, right? in order to make an appointment? so you can appoint an attorney general for an illegal means of sending a letter that the pair attorney general wouldn't send because it was unlawful meaning that you can use it for four years. the first question the president united states asked every foreign visitor was, did you stay in my hotel last night? i did. you pay me a bribe. so if not, i can if these hypotheticals, the idea that the president was run the oval office was the center of a criminal scheme for four years. it was a center of a crime. it was a system of organized bribery. if you wanted to see the president from a foreign country, you had to stay in this hotel and if you didn't, you would hear about it and he would flip side if you are caught are and you didn't pay it and you didn't have your national day at the trump hotel, you would lose out to the united arab emirates did have their national de at his

hotel. gym, right? you can't you can't have situations where you have brought bribery, but you also can have situations where you're manipulating and making replacing the attorney general of the united states because he won't send a letter that says there was this widespread fraud, right so you you wanna fraudulent letter to go out your replaced the attorney general, the official act as replacing the attorney general. >> that's fine. you could do that whenever you want, but you can't do it for an unlawful means that that's the analogy with the bribery here. so i think they have to come up with some objective standard. so you don't have this trial within the trial, i think if they do that, it'll go back to the it will go back to the the either the circuit court or the trial court. and i think we could end up we can end up getting a trial. probably not a verdict, but a trial this year, which would be a whole nother if that's if that's actually how that timeline is. you are you're getting a trial before the election, but no verdict really remarkable scene at jim. thank you very much for being here and i had a really long day yesterday so i really appreciate you being with us this morning coming up, usc

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really happy to have you. >> what do you make of this? >> decision that usc has made because this is an awful lot of kids who are not going to be able to have what is really a life moment i think it's cowardice and my heart breaks for those students because if you do the simple math, the class of 2024 college graduates they were high school graduates in 2020 for the most part, which means casey, they did not have a high school graduation because of covid. >> so they were robbed of a covid graduation because of an act of god. and now they're robbed of a college graduation because of the situation on campus. i thought it was a mistake when they canceled the speech by the valedictorian. they cite did safety concerns then from a distance, it looks like more of a speech concern, but i just think it's terrible and i have to also note this. i can't help but wonder if there's some astro turfing taking place here. i watched an interview on cnn two days ago. there's a senior citizen who was interviewed on campus,

having shown up to rally in support of the students, how many of those are actually students on the usc campus, and how many are outside influencers trying to just take advantage of the situation? i'm not denying that many are students, but i question whether they all are michael wouldn't turn their be potentially other options for the administration here and broadly, i mean, how do you see how college administrations are dealing with this thing? i absolutely take your point about astro turfing, but here you have the administration of usc basically deciding well, we can't deal with this and the columbia university folks really struggling to deal with it yeah i i acknowledge it's not easy, but there needs to be some type of a balancing act where you're accommodating speakers so long as they're not in violation of the campus protocols and hate speech standards. >> but you've also got to make sure that the mainstream of the students can continue to go about their activities. what a

gorgeous day it is isn't the northeast today. what a shame that columbia students, the seniors, in particular, this ought to be their final 30 days of both class and finals, enjoying the camaraderie of one another and to have that shutdown and to be told it's now going to be a hybrid situation. and many are gonna go and finish remotely. i think it's horrible and it sends the wrong message, which just to say this campus can be taken over by a handful of agitators michael, there's an op-ed in today's wall street journal from andrew cuomo, former new york governor at criticizing the administration of columbia and kind of the way that he put it. >> he wrote, quote seriously, the answer is for jews to flee campus and this kind of alludes to how you're talking about people were told we're gonna learn hybrid like don't, don't be here. he says imagine in the wake of nine 11, if new yorkers had been told to vacate the city because of pro al-qaeda

protesters were disrupting daily activities, threatening violence and posing a danger that is columbia's approach see you next fall jews. that's pretty tough, but i mean, is that what's going on here? >> yes. >> i think that's it's a sad but accurate soundbite. >> casey, i know you remember a couple of months ago the hearing where three college presidents testified in front of a congressional committee and elise stefanik beat up on all three of them. >> they were tone deaf. >> they were legally correct in trying to explain in the struggle that they face in regulating speech and protecting rights and interests. but they were tone deaf and the way they went about it, i think they're being tone deaf today, both at columbia and at usc. the message, the message here is we're going to tolerate those who speak on campus in a controversial way, so long as it's not hateful, but are high priorities, making sure that the business of this university continues on. and that includes class and finals and commencement michael let's talk

about the actual content of these protests for a second, because we do know there are students who are peaceful, who care about the children of gaza and who are there trying to speak for them. >> but there also is some incredibly ugly and violent rhetoric at some of these protests. now, former president donald trump is trying to capitalize on this and i think we can expect to see more of this going forward, which is why i want to ask you about it. watch what president trump said we're having protest all over. he was talking about charlottesville. charlottesville was a little peanut & was nothing compared in the hape, wasn't the kind of eight that you have here. this is tremendous hayden. we have a man that gadd talk about it because he doesn't understand that he doesn't understand what's going on with that so i think we need to be clear. >> someone died in the charlottesville incident so little peanut with a death that's what the president was saying there. but you also have this from senator john fetterman, who is a democrat and he wrote this on twitter

earlier this week, quote, i fully agree with the white house. the protests are anti-semitic, unconscionable, and dangerous add some tiki tortures& it's charlottesville for these jewish students. what do you see here i see similarity between the two, notwithstanding that somebody died and we pray that there's no loss of life in connection with any of the campus on rest i have to put something else though, into the mix, which is the harvard just did its annual study of young americans, 18 to 29 year-olds. >> and on a range of 16 different issues, what are the most pressing problems faced by the united states, the israeli palestinian conflict came in at 15 of 16. again, it's a serious issue. it's a very important issue. do but i'm wondering why all of a sudden this has lit such a fuse and has caused such unrest from coast to coast. and i'm a little suspect of whether it's all organic very interesting michael smerconish. thank you so much for being. i always appreciate having you and of

course, you can catch smerconish every saturday at 9:00 a.m. eastern. don't miss it thanks, my friend all right. >> in just a few hours, former president trump will be back in a manhattan courtroom for his hush money criminal trial, given the multiple delays she was other trials. it's actually pretty likely this case represents the only chance voters are going to have to know whether or not donald trump will be convicted of any crime before election day. even among republicans, the possibility of their party's nominee being convict, a convicted felon is concerning according to polling and exit polling that leads us to this new ad from the group republican voters against trump watch i was thinking about applying for a job. >> here are currently facing felony that was wondering if that was could be a problem working with they're going to do a background check. yeah that's the only probably not because hire people who have been found liable for sexual so quantifoil background if trump

is too big of a liability to get a job at your local mall he is too big of a liability to be president of the united states so sarah longwell, that's all you yeah, look, this was i've got a very talented video editor who went to the mall and began asking people what should be very obvious question is my favorite thing about the video is the looks on their faces, which are no, no, we wouldn't hire, you know, you can't work around jewelry if you have 88 families no, we won't hire you well, if you've been convicted in civil court of sexual assault, and i think it underscores no one things we see in the focus groups a lot, it's just how numb the voters have become to donald trump's antics because not the right word because it's so much bigger than that. >> but there's so much that he's done when he does that flood the zone with garbage. right. and so as a result, people like they can't pick out or pick these as part. >> we wanted to underscore just how insane it is that this guy with 88 felony is not to mention some of which are trying to stage a coup. could

be re-elected as president united states. >> it's always worth remembering. >> donald trump lost the popular the vote two times. >> and there was not a single day of his presidency when he had even 50% approval in any reputable poll, rasmussen doesn't count and this has always been, there has been this effort around trump to conjure up this idea of some kind of populist hero. but he's the world's most aren't consistently unpopular, populous, ever americans have rejected him. again and, and again, i'm optimistic and even confident that they will do it again in 2024. >> notice the voters you were talking about, ashley. yeah. i mean, i think this is why i've been stressing that. i don't think that this election should be about joe biden or donald trump should just be about the type of country that you want to live in. and then once you identify those top ten things, then you pick the person that matters. this aligns with those values. because to sarah's point, people are numb. but when you actually hear the things without a name attached to it, you come out of your corner and you make a logical choice. and that logical choice is not to vote for donald trump

so sarah, how much do you think this hush money trial is going to matter? >> because we do you have some new cnn polling that shows that people are concerned that this isn't a hush money trial. 28% of people say that, that conviction here should disqualify him from the presidency when you look at january 6, that number is up at 47 we also have some new numbers looking at whether or not people think he's getting a fair trial here. and it really does seem to underscore that pepeople are now just as divide over our court system. see only 7% are very confident that there can be a fair verdict in trump's hush money trial. now when you kind of break down those additional third a third, a quarter that's going to reflect and we can kind of see in those numbers that there is some reflection of partisan leanings in terms of what you believe about this. yeah, i was looking at the numbers earlier and it's basically just a war

shock test for partisanship, right? it's like there's the breakdown of people who thought he was being treated free to do harshly was exactly the same as people who thought he was being treated, not harshly enough, right? and so look, i think that the american people, right, we have to update our analysis. so i've been hearing a lot of people say like this always just helps trump, right? there's always helps trump. and in the price i'm married, that was true because it crowded out the other candidates being able to make their points, and it rallied people to donald trump we are now in a general election environment in which it is slightly different and you have to think about marginal voters. now look, this case was always the least serious of all the cases. and so for this to be the only one that goes forward, that's not great. that doesn't mean that it has zero impact though. and i'll just make one last point which is one of the things that's interesting to me that i'm hearing in the focus groups, especially from women is that the stormy daniels case does remind people that trump is really gross. two women that now is coupled with a major policy issue where women have

to have trust in their leader because of the abortion issue i think that cross-cutting can actually hurt him in the general election. >> i don't think you should pull for hypothetical questions because people don't. in fact think about or know the answer to the question, how will i feel when the news media describes donald trump everyday has convicted felon donald trump with that is a fact, not an assertion. he's a convict when you when and if he is a convicted felon how will i feel you don't know the answer that question because you don't know your mute yourself. >> allison, how do democrats feel about this dynamic well, i mean, i think you see the campaign going to use this as a split screen contrast, someone who is hi, joe biden who is trying to work for the american public while the other person has spent his days in court, not campaigning because he is caught up in all of these indictments and in these court cases, and all of this morass but i do think to date the messaging hasn't quite landed

yet, so i do think sarah saying about doing some coupling with the hush money case and abortion doing that campaign can do that. but then also outside groups like that ad was great. and i think you'll see more of things like that from outside cruises this has been a great conversation, thanks to all of you, because it's friday. we did want to leave you with this. it's a very special story. we want to wish a very happy 100, 100th birthday to art sialic, who is now the oldest living former major league baseball player or the south pole. i made his mlb debut way back in 19 dean 51, playing five seasons for the yankees and my beloved baltimore orioles. >> recently, sialic told the associated press, quote, here's a game i loved. >> i really enjoyed it. i love the game of baseball and they pay you for it. >> what more can you ask for? seriously, what more can you ask for? i wish i was playing today and getting the salaries they get also but that's the way it goes. sialic pitched on three world series championship teams in new yd