students in these buildings and they are chanting their displeasure is happening here. hold on one second so, so nypd is coming round to say that no tear gas has been used. >> apparently, there is some reporting on social media that somebody may have used tear gas they do say that they use flash flash bang grenades or others sort of means to deflect or to surprise anybody that they may encounter but they do not use tear gas they said they use they using flash bang grenades in there. so that gives you a sense of what is happening in hamilton hall as they, as they make their way in and try to to make arrests and bring order back to columbia university and miguel, we are saying on the story as it develops throughout the night right now, i want to hand things over to my colleague, john berman. thank you so much anderson. and on your screen right now, you can see what we have been watching

developed over the last hour or so, police have moved into columbia university to move those pro-palestinian demonstrators out of the building that they have occupied since last night, hundreds and hundreds of law enforcement course. but you can see have swarmed onto the campus or in the case of the screen, you're looking at right now, the picture you're looking at right now, just off campus, we have seen law enforcement move people onto buses, presumably under arrest. we've also seen the police simply move people off the bus and let them go on their way. we have dean no violent encounters, but billy, between police and protesters as of now when we have seen police move into hamilton hall itself, that is the building that was occupied overnight by these protesters. let me read you a statement from columbia university which explains how this all has been taking place over the last hour or the statement reads a little after

9:00 p.m. this evening, the nypd arrived on campus at the university's request. this decision was made to restore safety in order to our community, we regret the protesters have chosen to escalate the situation through there actions after the university learned overnight that hamilton hall had been occupied, vandalized, and blockaded. we were left with no choice. columbia public safety personnel were forced out of the building and a member of our facilities team was threatened. we will not risk the safety of our community or the potential for further escalation. the statement continues leadership team, including the board of trustees, met throughout the night and early into the morning, consulting with security experts in law enforcement to determine the best plan to protect our students in the entire columbia community. we made the decision they say early in the morning that it was a law enforcement matter and at the nypd were best positioned to determine and execute the appropriate response. this is important what they say next, we believe that the group that broke into an occupied the building is led

by individuals who were not affiliated with the university. sadly, this dangerous decision followed more than a week of what had been productive discussions with representatives of the west lawn encampment. they go on to say they'd been moving people out all day, resulting finally, in what you are seeing on your screen tonight, this is just one of the images that we have. our eyes on right now. again, this is just off-campus. let's go right to julia vargas jones cnn producer who was on campus for most of the day right in front of hamilton hall, but was just moved off. julia, tell us what you're seeing now. what's happening where you are just going to swing around a little bit so you understand where we are. >> this is amsterdam avenue and this is one 14 up this way. i don't know how much you can actually be. i'm sorry, i'm just kind of walking through the crowd this is where we were pledged were pushed out of columbia university through those gates and pushed into this it's not really a cattle

because we're not getting arrested, but we were pushed into area with barricade? myself i'm assuming that columbia university's and hundreds of others, people that were protesting in sayyed. we're also pushed out. people that were making this human chain outside of hamilton hall. >> they were pushed out. they made another human chain outside, hundred and 14, and eventually the nypd, just forcefully remove them. they did not get arrested. this is like teeth difference here. they looked like for me, i can tell you if there were not and then we've got pushed into this little area right now. it's a thin stuff if i can go into get my thing it's very it's very difficult to understand where i believe wants us to go eventually right now we're just sitting here at this corner in the middle of the protests, which nowhere else to go up here, up this

way, we have boston than y pz boss says, i can't tell if there are people inside those buses or not moving that way. and then now we see a emergency medical vehicle making turning into one 14 streak they are going this is the way that they pushed all in all of the protesters and journalists. so not sure all of this is blocked off and believes is not letting us move anywhere else. this is where we have to say for the time being, julia, it hang on one second, just so people understand there is amsterdam avenue which runs north and south. there is broadway wheres runs north and south in-between broadway and amsterdam is columbia university basically between 143 in 160 or higher and 18th street. if you go up a little bit further north of that, so so julia is on one end of the university where people have been pushed out. two

questions quickly, julie, one, it looks like it's raining now, if you can confirm, it's raining now, which may have an impact it may have an impact on the crowds there that people still outside and who are the people you're looking at a map right now, just what is describing. you can see north-south broadway, who are the people standing beside you? >> john, there is nowhere for us to go. i don't think that we can get out of here right now this is i see a lot of students, a lot of students press a lot of people from the journalism fluid, which is where i what i'm affiliated with as well. and we want were after that board just outside hamilton hall a protesting. so it's a mix of students people that were there protesting that we don't know and can confirm if part affiliated with the university are not this is just the situations and then just pushed us all into the same corner at 1:14 and amsterdam

all right. >> julia vargas jones, stay safe, don't go far. let us know if there are any developments where you are. want to bring in john miller, cnn senior law enforcement in terror analyst right now, john, i have to say over the corner of my eye, saw you go on the phone, which generally means you're finding out information. what's the latest your hearing on what is happening up at columbia? >> so police obviously swept the group that was in front of hamilton hall off some of them who ended up on those buses are those are going to be people who are in custody. those who were swept out through the gates there are people who elected not to be arrested and agreed to leave so we're going to have some arrest numbers, but probably coming to us later because they're operating out of multiple locations to do that tally. they did make entrance into hamilton hall from what i understand. and this is all luminary, so you have to assume some of it could change that there weren't a

great deal of people in terms of numbers inside the building when they made entry, they used distraction devices or what we would call flash bangs these are things that go flash and then bang so that they could overcome any resistance. booby traps or anything that was waiting for them inside. and then they did a floor by floor search, which did not produce a lot of people. they're going from the second to last floor now to the top floor. so the building is nearly cleared in the first instance, they'll do a secondary search just to clean up behind that. but that's pretty much where we are now. so if you talk about what what are our reporter on the scene was saying about people were pushed out, they were put into pens it feels like from a tactical standpoint they want to create a corridor, a portal so that when they have

these people who are under arrest on these buses, that the buses will have a clear path out and that the street will be open and not occupied and they can take them down to this mass so rest processing center, an unknown number of arrests. >> you say so far dozens, hundreds, any sense? >> i'm going to just based on the visuals, it appears to be at least dozens that could trip the triple digits because there were large number of people there. but as we learned from his vargas, a lot of them and we're pushed out of the gates. and those are people who decided to forgo the process of being arrested. now, things have developed their over the last couple of days protest leaders from out-of-town people like lisa, 50. and who is the author of the book? shut it down? >> who is very adept at coaching groups on how to do protests, how to do disruption how to do vandalism and

physical damage, how to handle mass arrests situations have been up there talking to them, working with them. >> so lot has changed over the past 48 hours in terms of where they were. >> all right. we are being told dozens have been arrested. that is so far. we also did get word from julia vargas jones on the scene that a lot of people were simply moved away, pushed away, and i imagine it is to an officer's discretion whether tool rest are just remove people from the premises. john miller just reporting that the police who did enter hamilton hall used flash bangs. they move through fairly quickly and there were not a lot of people actually in hamilton hall and they are close they think to clearing the building or at least seeing every part of the building. >> one interesting point to add there what we're seeing on social media is reports from students saying that the tear gas was deployed. the nypd almost never uses tear gas and

saying that they did not use tear gas tonight. i think that's the smoke from the flash bangs that they're probably reading as that yeah. >> and you were looking at police now walking past one of our camera is right there in a mass movement, unclear whether they are moving to hamilton hall, 140 or moving away from hamilton hall with us now also is philippe rodriguez then retired nypd officer. it's just explain what john just said to us about using the flash bangs to get and we did hear from a police spokesman a short time ago, who did reiterate what john just said, which is that the nypd does not use tear gas, correct. but how do you imagine they went through that building? >> it's almost like a tactical situation where the almost thing is to get through it safely so a flash bang is just a very long concussion grenade and it's made to do is disorient the person. so if they had a preemptive type of tactical thing that they're going to attack an officer it now makes most a little bit dizzy because it messes with equilibrium. so it does get this is a tactical advantage.

we never want to go in there with the use of excessive force. so we can mitigate that from the beginning, it was a good tactical choices are useful it's just not often seen in new york city. >> shimon prokupecz, if you are with us, i'm not sure if we have shimon right now. shimon, if you can hear me am here. i'm here give us a sense of what you're seeing okay. >> so we're on amsterdam, one 16, so we're outside hamilton hall here, but this is where the police went in, was just such a strict such strategic planning that went into this you just wonder what, how much time was the nypd planning for this? because the way they came in here just over my left shoulder i'm going to try to show you. can we just show i just want to show this side over here. is there a way to do the number of emergency services vehicles? john i've never seen this kind of response at a scene. i mean,

there are a least a dozen to 20 emergency services vehicles here. and then of course, we saw many of them walk to this heavily armed trunk. it's what they call a barrel a cat. and then they walked up through that window and then entered hamilton hall. it's just a stunning pictures to think that this is a university cullum columbia university, that the police are entering in such a way because the doors were barricaded the group broken in good morning and it's been there all day. they unfurled flags here or signs here today, there were up on the roof i want point. so the nypd really spent the day planning for this and then surged i mean, hundreds, if not at least 1,000 officers here i mean, you have officers from the search teams, you have officers from other precincts, the emergency services officers. the response

was just enormous now, most of the officers are just standing around. we're seeing some protesters were hearing the chance a students are gathered outside here summer up here on, on a bridge, all watching to see what's going to happen and what the next steps will be. but right now, all eyes and everything is on hamilton hall as we await to see what the next steps are are the police going to bring anybody out from inside and you can hear? >> the protest is there shouting shame at the officers every time a group of officers would move through an area, we would hear that shame, shame towards the officers. >> but this is such an escalation here. but what started it? we have to remember is what happened here early this morning you know, the fact that you had outside groups, the nypd has says so the

college has said so the fact that they broke into this hall the fact that they snuck onto the campus. we believe someone who has not gone around 2:00 yesterday when the campus would allow the press, the media to get on on on the campus of the college. they snuck on and so they spent the morning, early morning planning this and they got inside and this was a game changer and just talking to soar versus all day, john, they were waiting they were waiting all day to get word from the college that they could do this. the nypd wanted to do this. they felt it was necessary, it was needed, and there was a lot of concern that if they didn't do this today this would only escalated. there were concerns for other members of outside groups coming in trying to escalate this even further. sewing doing this, i mean, these are going

to be images that are going to are going to last a lifetime, right? this kind of response on a university in the united states in many ways, sometimes it's just unfathomable and such, in such a situation. but that's exactly what happened here. >> the response was, i john, i've covered so many protests through the years here in new york, especially i've never seen a response it's like this. >> they came prepared they came in force and they came to send a message and right now, we're just seeing so many of the officers still out here standing around. things are calm, people are chanting. we could even here are some, it sounds like chance that are coming from inside the campus as the police are just standing around. and right now really drawn. all eyes are on hamilton hall as we await to see if anybody's brought brought out and what the next steps are here. >> yeah. >> shimon prokupecz, who on the street. they're near that

enormous police note that as big as the police presence and as many of these protests as we've all covered, one thing that we have not seen here yet that we often see almost always see is a rash of injuries or violent clashes. >> we haven't seen that yet with our eyes here. >> that's not to say it hasn't happened and we won't learn of that shortly. but this has seen fairly organized so far. let's get right to miguel marquez right now. but gayle you are just so people know it's the right side of our screen where miguel is. tell us what you're seeing miguel yeah. >> so we're on 114th street just near amsterdam avenue. this bus that you were looking at here, this is the second bus filled with the recipes that is now leaving this area. it's heading toward amsterdam avenue. when it gets down there, the last bus that tried to get out, you can see all the people under that are arrested still shouting, still yelling. many of them wearing cafe is there's a large number of people who are trying to block the buses on amsterdam avenue as they get down there? a

police moved down there are a large contingent of police officers down there to control that crowd so that buses can get out. we have seen dozens of people arrested. the gates just here where i'm sitting next to if you go up that gate and took a rights, you'd be basically at hamilton hall. so it sounds like if there weren't many people in there that most the people that we've already seen commodities, gates probably came from hamilton hall. what i'm curious about are the encampment. if you went up this gate and went left, you'd end up near butler library, which is here. and the encampment, which isn't a center lawn of columbia university. it's not clear how many people they've moved out benton county and can if you would just move around, you can. i don't know if you can see it, but there is a large number of police and protesters are trying to stop the bus down at the end of the streets the bus has gotten out though it's not clear. so there were protesters moat much of the day much of the day come

back over here there were protests as much of the day at amsterdam avenue. so some of those people may have been arrested. there were also protesters at the main gate, columbia university vein gate on 116th street about four hours or biggest marched off. they were 200 protesters and they just marched off with you at north. it sounds like they ended up at city college is about 20 blocks north. and they had the flares and they were they were going to city college and it sounds like it was a bit of coordination on the side of protesters. the protesters on the 116 sayyed, we we were there they were going through with everybody the tactics that they were going to use tonight. and what to do if they were arrested and how it was all going to go. we may be bringing up more arrestees now out of this gate, this is what we've seen. most of them come out some of them note this just was like a faculty member or somebody who's coming out of the gate, right now, there are workers that are coming out as well that we will see some times but most of the rest

we've seen tonight have come out of this gate. we haven't seen any further quite some time now. but there may be arrests around the corner where shimon is on amsterdam avenue. it looks like buses are moving over to that direction as well. so they can bring people out of that area as well. >> john. all right. i'll keep us posted as to what you see there strictly if there are more people being brought out arrested, let's get back to julia vargas jones to give us a sense, julia of what you're seeing. >> and i'm glad we can see you on the right-hand side of our screen. >> john, two things. one, we're seeing staging of nypd coming out of 114. you can see here behind me, right behind them. i don't know if you can see there are people coming out of windows from i believe this is hamilton hall coming out john jay. john jay. i'm sorry. this is john jay buildings and building right next to it showing with their phones speaks to the whole question,

something that i've mentioned before, it's like what's this mean for the columbia community? speaking? now, also every student here, it is unfathomable that this is happening on our campus. this level of division, this level of i know you said there hasn't been there, haven't been violent altercations? that is true. i have not witnessed any violence happening here. are we did just see a boss with people and why 50 blast? with people in it. they had to hear. i don't know. i'm guessing versus the people that were outside or inside of hamilton hall, that just went up amsterdam towards the i suppose miguel's location just a block north of us. >> overall. i mean, now, finally, the good news is that it's stopped the reigning. so it's giving us a little bit of a spike. but like i mentioned, kind of kettler here, john, there isn't really anywhere for us to go. >> i will waiting for orders from the nypd of whether or not

we can go back inside the columbia campus as of now i'm really not sure. >> i'm going i have my sun id here and i don't know oh what this will do. i can actually go back inside at all. i think we're gearing up to you have a long night and it in two earlier this has been so organized and calm and the level of a police presence giving me a little bit of flash of 2020 plus, the us, but it's there are no altercations. that is no very common. like i mentioned to you earlier some of the students that did not want that university instead of being arrested, they were just removed. so the nypd job grabbed a couple of people and push them out meaning, i think that there is a level of concern for the optics of this as well. it really is an

attempt to, if this is really an attempt to de-escalate this has to be the approach that they take julia hang on one second. >> you may be interested in this information as a columbia student, we're just getting word that columbia university has made a request with the new york police department to retain a presence on campus through at least may 17, they say that is to maintain order and ensure that encampments are not re-establish. that was from a letter sent by a university president minouche shafik to michael gerber, the nypd's deputy commissioner of legal matters. so julia, there will be a police presence at columbia for some time for several weeks, and i should note that is through what i believe to be columbia graduation, which is may 15th. so the police will be there in some way until may 17. how do you imagine that might go over with your fellow students at the university? >> well i mean graduation is made 15. that is my graduation

as well. john you're high fat. i have family coming from brazil to come watch me, walk across the stage and get my diploma. >> but and i hope of course, as everyone does, that this can happen. >> but at the same time sarah climates for celebration for graduation to move on. i mean, i think that i spoke to a lot of students on campus today and people were just dealing, caught in-between in i don't really see celebration be something that we flocked to in the coming weeks. if police is going to be on campus, that will even dampen the moon even more. i can't imagine people wanted, i'm interested to see who actually had here's another box i can't quite seem five, but yes, it looks like people with their faces covered could be another bus of her

being taken away, presumably arrest said and you hear the protesters are chanting shame at the nypd 05, john and again, the news is is that the new york police department will remain with a presence on campus through may 17, may 15, of course, is graduation. >> were are julia vargas jones will be walking, earning her degree. i have to say you've more than earned your journalism degree over the last 24 hours or so, julia so celebration or not congratulations to you on that and all the work you've done. we have much more coverage just ahead. we are just getting ward that some of the protesters have moved moved about 20 blocks north. that's what you're looking at, right there. that is city college for those who know new york well, the campus there, we're gonna get a live report from there right after this a florida man

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powering progress i mourn liebermann at the pentagon and this cnn welcome back this is, special live coverage, police have moved into columbia university entering hamilton hall where protesters had taken over the building sees the building overnight last night, the police have now moved through the building and we believed removed almost every hey, one from inside. we are told there have been dozens and dozens of arrests so far based on the bus as we've seen, leaving it would be easy to assume that there have been over 100 arrests so far, but we don't have an exact number on that. just yet let's get to

miguel marquez, who's standing by just on the outskirts of the university yes. so people know what they're looking at on the screen, on the well, okay. let's get to miguel first and then we'll reset what those other patients in a second ago. what are you seeing? >> what you're looking at here is yet another person who's been arrested and brought out from the other gate, the gate that we were at earlier that we're on 114th street between broadway an amsterdam. we're now closer to amsterdam. we've seen lots of arrestees coming out of here there's now another arrestee going into a fourth bus rights right in front of us and it is not clear. i'm watching that gate down there. police appear to have formed a core on coming out of that gate and they're pulling people out of that. maybe people coming out of the encampment it wasn't clear to us covering this earlier in the week how many people were in the

encampment? they had lots of tense, but we think there were only maybe a couple of dozen, two dozen people who are in the encampment so far tonight, we've seen in the dozens arrested. i don't think we're at 100 yet, but yeah, it it's, hard to tell. >> we've seen three or four buses leave here now there have been some arrests on amsterdam avenue as well around the corner from where we are but it seems right now that there are at least several dozen arrests here at columbia university. >> i will say two weeks ago when they made arrest, hundred and eight arrests that then kicked off his back backlash of encampments across the country 70 of those 108, were not columbia students. so the university nypd looking at that tonight as well, the protesters do seem to have their own coordination. they were there had been protesting on amsterdam avenue for much of the day they remain there all night and it seems that some of those protesters that were outside may have been arrested as well, but there was a large group of protesters who went to

the main gate on broadway, hundred and 16th and broadway police then shut down all of broadway, both north and south major thoroughfare those protests. and again, when uptown, it seems to city college and so you had protesters sort of coordinating protests at different colleges all at the same time, john and again, we're seeing pictures up at city college to a 20 bucks north of columbia right now, miguel, thank you. >> standby for a moment, if you will. joe jackson are legal analyst is here. joey talk about dozens and dozens of arrest. what happens to these people on the bus is what does it mean to be put under arrest for tonight and for the next several days? yeah. i think john, the prosecutor here, alvin bragg, has the decision to make and what that decision is is what he's going to do was they're going to be a distinction between students. >> and if so, do you criminalize this? so do you offer them some resolution to the case? respects the right to protest, but again, you know, has some semblance of law that has to be mixed into it. and do you distinguish the students from the non-students, right?

how they got onto the campus, what specifically did they do? what they peaceful. >> and so in essence, what will happen is that but they will go to this arrest process processing location at some point there'll be arraigned what that means in english is there'll be brought before a judge. >> there'll be formally charged with either disorderly conduct or criminal trespass or whatever the appropriate charges are depending upon the specific conduct at that time, there'll be released. right. there are bail reform laws in new york. there's nothing violent nature that that is a blessing, right? we're seeing optics, not of any violence, not have any interactions of a negative variety, but of officers having taken control, i'm sure that i'm sure john milliken give us a course on how they sat them down and said, look, this is what we're going to do. this is how we're going to do it. the optics need to be what they have to be. and i think they did that very successfully. thank goodness for that. and so john will happen is after that process and released, there'll be a date for them to return and that interim period, prosecutors will make an assessment as how to dispose of

the case. generally speaking, on a first irrational, either get a disorderly conduct or something known as an acd. what does that mean and a german and contemplation of dismissal so you started trouble. you do everything right. your case will be dismissed. it will be sealed. you'll go on with your life. that's how generally it will be done in the absence of any aggravating factors which demonstrate that the protesters at issue did something that that was aggravating other than being in a building occupying it and really peacefully protesting and the way they think was appropriate. >> and on the left-hand side of your screen is city college of new york ccny. and before we had a shot of the arch there and i've told by by people sitting with me here, that city university is actually often used as a facsimile for columbia university and television shows and movies. so if we get that picture of the building back up again, it may look familiar to you. it's actually about 20 bucks north of columbia where a lot of these proteins test jurors have moved so that sound those demonstrations you're seeing right now, not actually on the

columbia campus, which is more or less been cleared out by police over the last couple of hours or so with this here, also is professor alexis okay. forger brooklyn law professor, but also somebody did a fellowship at columbia for two years fears and look there are legal questions now mean columbia faced legal questions before inviting the police in. again today. and now with the invitation for the police to stay until may 17, there are more questions about how they we'll treat the situation there exactly and students have all people have a right to peacefully protest, to speak freely about issues and their rights do not go away once they approach this sort of college gates. and here we have quite literally the college gates and there are sort of measures that a university can take, both private and public student's speech cannot disrupt we're impact the main thrust of university, which is learning

and this is an interesting period right now in the academic calendar, many classes have ended. >> we are in this sort of dead space when students are reading, they're preparing for exams, they're turning in papers my understanding is that many of the classes have moved online virtual. yes, weaker. so the last week or so, some classes are not even meeting many classes are many exams can be taken virtually not on campus. we dealt with this an academic institutions during the height of the pandemic and so i think what's happening we've recognized it that with police force been on campus until may 17, columbia really wants to have a graduation. they wanted to clear off that lawn. that beautiful green lawn is where commencement happens each year and so i feel for these students they they're engaged, they're young people. they know what's happening in this country and around the world and the tools that they're using are there minds their voices? many are wearing confuse. they've got signs

that they're chanting and they really want to show that the students at columbia and on college campuses across this country that students are concerned for what's happening in gaza. students are concerned with what's happening to palestinians and my knowledge is that many students i'm professor at brooklyn law school. i advise my students who are part of the national lawyers guild chapter, student chapter. students for justice in palestine. they're all well in conversation with each other and supporting each other for really a collective movement that we're seeing of young people you're looking again at live pictures just outside the campus of columbia university. >> the police had moved in there. they move the cameras out. we don't have any picture from inside the campus anymore. outside hamilton hall. are julia vargas jones was outside hamilton hall all day. reporting from the scene providing really an exclusive look of what was going on. julia, you boulden moved off campus now and we see you just outside where there have been i

think some some word shall we say between the demonstrators and police it's getting a little too much all right we'll have a hard time hearing julia right now. julia, hopefully you can get if you can hear me, if you can get your microphone fixed, but i do believe what you were saying is there have been some shouts from the protesters toward the police? the police were there standing,

the police were standing there peacefully. the protesters separate from them also standing there on the right-hand side of your screen. we can see people i believe the police officers, i think leaving hamilton hall where they had gone in through the window through that ramp actually, let's get to me, go marquez right now and tell us what you're seeing from where you are so we're just watching these buses as well, but we're turned around. >> i'm john myself around and look down amsterdam. there are reports that there is smoke coming off the top of hamilton hall. we know that protesters were up on the roof of hamilton hall i don't think ken, can you can you shoot this? can you see this smoke? >> coming off? the smoke? can you see this? >> we're live. can can you do you think it's just exhaust? their are there reports that there is smoke coming off of the hamilton hall some police have gone down to look at it i don't see a ton of smoke coming off here. it may be just exhaust coming off of the

hospital. that's across the way from us but there were protesters on the roof of hamilton hall earlier, police said they use flash bang grenades, which could spark a fire if there is something combustible that they hit but it's not really clear what's happening it is very clear. seat, calm seen on this sudden hundred and 14, we haven't seen any more arrests for quite some time now there is one more bus that they have down there that they are slowly moving people into. but we haven't seen a time and it doesn't appear to me that that is if it is smoke, it's not very heavy smoke. it looks it looks more like exhaust but i don't see anything coming up with hamilton. hall right now giulia is down amsterdam maybe shimon, they might be able to see more down there. >> all right. >> we'll check it with them in a bit. miguel, i'll keep us posted as to what you see and bring back in our chief law enforcement analyst, john miller, who's here with us as well, and john, anything new your hearing before you had her

that law enforcement had moved through almost all of hamilton hall and they really weren't that many people inside. >> that's right. so you know, barricading the buildings surrounding the building there's two interesting possibilities here. one is that when it was clear the police, we're going to come and clear the building the people inside might've gone outside. as joey jackson will tell you, the charge oh for being inside and criminal trespass might come with a burglary charge or more. so that might have been a tactical legal judgment on that point. but what we're watching here is that truck is is the big bear that has the ramp that they can use to do an entry into a location from an upper floor? as opposed to from the ground floor and they are wrapping that up to get their ramp back down. that building is effectively cleared. now, what we looked at a minute ago was the emergency service units driving away so most of the

tactical piece of taking that building back and clearing the inside appears to be complete. just from what we're watching here. we've seen the buses because they've pushed the crowd outside the gates into pens that the buses, police buses carrying the arrest have cleared the area and are on their way to map c or the mass arrests processing center down at headquarters. in terms of the demonstrators, you're going to see two things. a number of them will go up, likely to city college about 20 blocks north at 140th street and broadway are amsterdam rather and you'll see others go down to the arrest processing center where they do a different kind of jump demonstration called jail support, where they protest outside. >> all right. everyone stand by for a minute again, you're looking at live pictures on the right-hand side of your screen, columbia university. where police have cleared out, we believe almost all of hamilton hall and the left city college, where there are still demonstrations or live coverage

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over hamilton hall many of the protesters move north to city college is what you're looking at right now. and we did just see a brief skirmish may lay between the police and some protesters. it did look like a few arrests were made, but it was quick. and now it appears that those clashes, as they were are now over. we're going to keep our eye on that to see if the situation develops. once again the meantime, i want to bring in mahmoud khalil. he is a second-year graduate student who has been leading negotiations with the columbia administration on behalf of the pro-palestinian protesters. mock moved. thank you for being with us. i just want to know your reaction to what has happened tonight hi. >> hi, john today is another disgraceful and shameful day for the columbia administration. on this de, this is 50 years and it very city of the 68, 68

demonstrations and protests that happened actually at the same building that the university brought the nypd to invade and to address these peaceful, peaceful demonstrators and the university thing thinks about this word, this country students four from bowling for the end of the war in gaza and the end of the end of columbia's investments and the companies that are investing and the genocidal and palestinian people since we started at what negotiation last, last friday, the university did not deal with this with this movement as an actual movement, an anti-war movement instead, they dealt with it as an internal student discipline matter. they've negotiated with us about bringing food and blankets to the encampment. they refused to

acknowledge that this is actually more than that. this is a nationwide movement this is a movement that as the columbia to divest its investments from companies that are fueling the word and gets that right now what i'm feeling right now, i'm feeling discrete, abide by this institute when hamilton hall was taken over, whether it was part of, as you say, a larger anti-war movement or an on-campus disciplinary matter what was the expectation that columbia would do once a building was seized in windows were broken and vandalized the autonomous group decided to take that building when they felt that the velocity is not answering their demands. >> the inverse is not dealing with them seriously. and the university's actually just alienating them. so they had to do something. so the university

can actually take, take the demand seriously. these students have been demonstrating columbia since, since october. every week, they would demonstrate at campus at the university with, would answer only by more discipline by suspension of of, of the students. so when when they last week, when they established a very peaceful encampment on the east lawn the university did not. wait a minute to bring the nypd which in fact, the president herself said that this that the first call for nypd was some somewhat not a wise decision and the issue columbia yeah. here we are again, bringing more force hoping that this movement would and continue. and woodstock. and in fact sheet phi president

jeffrey of columbia requested from the nypd to stay on campus until may 17 after they to make sure that no students are on campus to reestablish such encampment and cabinets or to actually practice if amendment of i have to like go mouthful, but we'll the protests continue even with the police presence until may 17, i expect that i'm not sure how how would the presence of the police would change this the students will still have their rights to protest and i'm very confident that students will will, will continue this this movement even after all this brutality against them all right, mathematica, leo, thank you very much for being with us. >> do appreciate your time with

us here. have been watching this is sweeper rodriguez, former mib police officer we did see a little while ago those arrests up at city college just tell me what you've been seeing in terms of how the police and law enforcement has been behaving on the ground you know what they have to be commended. i saw a lot of restraint. we saw that team tactics was being done correctly. they were working together as a group we didn't see these while swinging up pitons like we've done in the past. you don't when arrest had to be made, they worked together to take that person and with a minimum amount of force and to de-escalate by having a large presence of officers. there at the scene what's it going to be like for those officers? >> you've got to be up there until may 17. it's gonna be difficult to really as it's going to wear them down and why pd is one of the best police departments when it comes to deal with large-scale situations. and professor alexis border again, who was at columbia for a couple of years

what's gonna be the reaction on campus to a law enforcement presence until may 17. and we don't know what it will look like yet. maybe we can talk about that in a second. but what do you think the response will be on campus? yeah. i don't think it's gonna be a comfortable place to be for students. i don't think it's gonna be a comfortable place for families to comment is not for graduation celebration the climate is going to be chilled. it's going to be a different place to be at. and really what columbia has done in bringing in the nypd is to overwhelm the student population with just the sheer presence and numbers of force. just, just being there is going to make a difference. i can imagine that students will still demonstrate in whatever way that they can they feel very strongly about columbia divesting from supporting what's going on in gaza. and so i don't imagine that that will end it might look a little different, but i think we're still good to see students demonstrating rb got

marquez still standing by just outside of columbia university and miguel, i understand you've got some new information yeah, anyway, nypd just briefed us a short time ago here on one 14, they say it's done. >> there is hamilton hall has been cleared and is secured. the encampment's that was out there for the last couple of weeks. that too, has been cleared. the only thing out there right now our tenths and their personal possessions, but everybody that didn't want to leave and didn't want to leave the campus. >> was was arrested. >> they also say there was no reports of anybody resisting arrest. there were no reports of anyone being injured as well. this is now the word we come down to amsterdam avenue and you can see all the police officers who are protecting it so that the buses bringing out the last few people who were arrested can get out. there are protesters behind us. there are also on the other side of amsterdam avenue this is interesting as well. so this is john j. hall, just on the

corner of one 14 and amsterdam. and you can see all the individuals hanging out there windows, just watching what's going on out here. hamilton hall is just up the street here. another block. and that is now secured. there were reports that there was smoke off the top of hamilton hall earlier, police say that that's not true. there were people who claimed that they were using a tear gas police say that is not true. they did use flash bang grenades. they said when they went into hamilton hall, the doors were barricaded with tables, with chairs, with soda machines. they use the flash bangs to distract whoever was in there and then they were able to open up those doors and gets get more officers in to clear out and check and then clear out the entire hall. but at this point, with this start started around 9:00 p.m. it's done they the police will say the columbia is asked him as i heard you talking about until may 17 commencement is on may

15th. so they certainly want to have that presence. what they don't want to have happen is what happened last time, but they clear the encampment, they cleared the protesters, and then they re-establish themselves the next day or the following day. so that's something that they are going to make sure it doesn't happen. john miguel marquez just sounds like columbia university we're police say it's done. the campus has been cleared. hamilton hall has been clear. the encampment has been cleared, no injuries. the police say much more ahead are special live coverage continues right after this the thing your family does someone made it back in the day? >> but where did it come from? how did it get all the way to see for yourself that ancestors from meat free monday to sunday

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