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campuses, including over at columbia university in new york after police had riot gear cleared an occupied building overnight, plus the political fallout as outrage over the war in gaza and concerns about anti-semitism way on the presidential race. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world i will flits her and this is a situation room special report unrest on campus the skis cnn breaking news, breaking news, this our protests are escalating. >> and another us college campus officers in riot gear, nala outside fordham university in new york city, as pro-palestinian in this graders are digging good at a newly formed in camp standby for new details on that. and we're tracking police action and confrontations with demonstrators at multiple colleges and universities

across the country are correspondence around the scene as the unrest on campus is raising tensions and causing disruption that's right now up first, let's go to c an shimon prokupecz these over fordham university. shimon, give us an update on the protests there. what are you seeing? what are you hearing? >> well certainly there's been an escalation here within the last hour. there are more nypd officers have just been consistently arriving. you see these officers here with helmets what we are waiting now, you'll see there are nypd lawyers here from the legal team, whether or not they're going to order the demonstrators of protest protesters to leave at this point, they've been allowed to remain on the sidewalk to remain in the street as they protest. they have been moving around. we were just about two blocks away and then for whatever reason, they decided to come this way. let me show you the entrance. this is one of the entrances into the college now, so founded by the

nypd, almost every entrance and exit of this college now, the nypd is outside preventing students from coming inside. they are allowing people to leave. as you see, some people leaving here. >> but the protesters have been moving around and so the nypd has been following them. >> some have gone to other entrances and right now, everything is sort of at a standoff to see what happens next. the nypd also has brought in a bus here for potential arrest and where they can process people. but well, if this is the equipment here, let me show you. this is what we're waiting for. you see this officer here with this backpack that is where the speaker is when they eventually make the announcement for people to disperse. and if people don't disperse, a then move in to make arrests what sparked all this today? this all started early this morning. is that a number of students and former students? so now inside the lobby of the college on the

60th street side. i'm on the 62nd. they have basically built an encampment. it's not a very sizable group about a dozen or so. there's about six tenths, so they have been refusing to leave, right now, the school has not asked the nypd to move in and remove them. they've like what we saw at columbia there waiting for legal authority. they say they're ready to assist if needed, but so far they have not asked the nypd to move in. and so for now they are stationed outside out of concern that some of these protesters may try to go inside and you can see there are students inside the college here watching as this unfolds here outside. and we're waiting to see how much longer the nypd is going to allow them to remain out here, wolf ten situation at the manhattan campus of fordham university will stay in close touch with your standby cimon. we'll get

back to you right now. i want to head out to ucla and cnn's nick watt, nick police moved in overnight in response to the violent clashes between dueling protest groups. so what's happening there now? >> well, we'll the mayor of los angeles, just describe what happened right where i'm standing late last night and early in the morning, she called it absolutely detestable violence. she says that anyone who was setting off fireworks, spring chemicals, physically assaulting other people will be found arrested and prosecuted. >> the governor of california cornea has also called the police. >> the police limited and delayed response. he's called that unacceptable now, we have just heard from the president of the entire uc system. he is now promising an external independent review. he says 15 people were injured here last night. one of them taken to the hospital and he said as that he will see that this camp is dismantled at quote, the appropriate time here, there and everywhere wolfe college

administrators trying to work out how to keep a lid on all this the university of wisconsin madison, the latest scene of kalisa and college protesters clashing as campus police arrested dozens while clearing an encampment this morning, they started pushing them. they started shoving them students were held down with pitons. >> most were released without citations. college officials say it's unclear how many any were affiliated with the school. >> they say some resisted arrest report for law enforcement officers were injured and say peaceful protests that abide by campus rules are still alive. >> just know tense. >> we are grateful that our protesters are still here and they are exercising their first amendment right last night in new york nypd dressed in riot gear, arrested around 300 as they cleared columbia university's hamilton hall, which had been occupied by pro-palestinian protesters here on the campus that largely kicked off this. now nationwide movement.

>> there are individuals and organizations that are not students we seen a shift in tactics that are being used to of property, destruction of cameras, columbia's president said the quote drastic escalation of the protests pushed the university to the brink overnight at ucla counter protesters pro israel protesters, among them, breached the barricades around the pro-palestinian and cabinet which also breaches ucla campus rules. a firecracker thrown in cones and more flying through the darkness, pepper spray from inside that tamp. the college newspaper photographed at counter protester spraying from an aerosol can daily bruin reporters on the scene. were slapped an indirectly sprayed with irritant we are sickened by this senseless violence and it must end at a college spokesperson ever since this encampments sprang up thursday morning tension has been mounting. the first scuffles thursday afternoon, more over the weekend, hence, the barriers and the buffer zone

that was breached last night, the university has allowed the protesters to control who venter's the can't monday a jewish student posted this protesters wealth outside of their encampment. he says locking his way. >> they're not letting me walk in. my class is over there. i want to use that entrance ucla called this a parent and remove those barriers then last night, this to what happened last night was an attack on our encampment by zionists thugs that the university did nothing to stop. ucla has until now kept security light. >> the lapd out of sight until late last night. but after what happened today, law enforcement is on-site and all classes are canceled now, over the past couple of days, will this has been the buffer zone between the pro-palestinian encampment and anyone else after what happened late last night into this morning, that buffer zone has now been extended 50 or 60

yards that way, has it worked well? >> yeah. yes and no, i was just over there and witnessed a faculty group expressing their solidarity with the pro-palestinian protesters. they were then shouted down by pro-israeli protesters, didn't get violent, but it was very, very loud and people were very, very angry. so basically that problem has just been moved a little ways over there. so we'll see what happens this afternoon and into this evening. >> will all right. >> nick, thank you very much. nick watt on the scene for us at ucla. >> i want to head over to the university of wisconsin at madison right now. >> that's where cnn's whitney wild is standing by whitney police. i understand. with batons and riot shields tour down protesters, tents on the campus this morning. give us the latest well, well, if this is a very different scene from this morning when it was pretty chaotic, what you see right now are dozens, if not hundreds, of students gathered here. >> this is the library mall at the university of wisconsin

madison there's a mix of students and protesters. a protest or we're going eyes or tells me that most of the students you see here, wolf are protesters. again, very calm here, very different from what we saw this morning university officials say that this encampment has been up since monday. and in that time, the students here have been issued warning after warning after warning that there is an explicit ban on camping and even still, those tents remained. so it was around seven this morning that police here at the university of wisconsin, madison, as well as local and state police, began that law enforcement action that we saw earlier today. and as it was described to me by a protester, police linked up, i had basically align with their run hi children moved into those tense and took down several of them, but wolf i'll take you over to where the tenant can't meant is you can get a better sense of it. so earlier today after that law enforcement action, this was almost all gone except for a few of these tents in that time since that law enforcement

action happened at wrapped up around nine this morning central time these tests have gone back up. so now the big question is, is there going to be another law enforcement action we've asked that question. we have not yet heard back the results of the action this morning. were 34 arrests, 30 people did not receive charges, only four people receive charges and some of those include battery on a police officer although our understanding is that of the 30 who were released, there is always a chance that they may be cited later, but it presents the majority of those people were detained and released without charges. again, we'll the situation remains very much as it began with this tent and cabinet. so we'll see if there's another police enforcement action later on, ten situation that all these college campuses, whitney well well, thank you very much. >> just ahead of first-hand account of the violent clashes at ucla from a student journalist who was in the middle of it all, plus the state of security on campuses where protests are erupting, a police are cracking down. this is a situation room, special

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future like i did when new hands-free skechers slip is the secret is slip and have an invisible built-in shoe horn so your foot slides into place. try skechers, slip in very disturbing scenes of violence at ucla as counter demonstrators breached a pro-palestinian encampment and clashes erupted with some using fireworks and others wielding bass joining us now ucla student journalists catherine hamilton, who was there as the attacks unfolded, catherine, thank you very much for joining us. >> take us inside, if you will. it was a harrowing experience. i'm sure for you and other student journalists as these counter protesters attack the pro-palestine and cabinet what you see and what did you hear? >> yeah, absolutely. i was there from 5:00 p.m. onward yesterday, and i was there through 4:00 a.m. this morning there was a lot of violence and cited by the counter demonstrators on there were the

launching of fireworks, as you mentioned there was the wielding of the metal bats, but there was also the throwing of the encampment barriers across the remaining barriers into the individuals were standing inside the encampment and there were even instances of electric scooters being thrown toward those individuals and there were some instances of physical fights typically agitated by the counter protesters against individuals of the encampment who were protecting the barricade from the outside was a bit so scary and frightening. how are you and your colleagues, a student journalists who were there specifically recovering after what happened last time? >> i think it's really difficult because truly there's not much time for us to cover as the new day starts, we have to be prepared for anything to happen, especially since yesterday, chancellor gene block and the university did release a statement saying

that the encampment was on waffle an unauthorized and that students and faculty who are participating in it and refuse to leave may face disciplinary actions, such as sanctions and suspension and expulsion and so we don't really necessarily have that much time to process. i know that all of us were there overnight many of us were on the scene until very late, especially when it got very dangerous. we were even still there. >> but we just had to get up for this new de and continue reporting because we know that the work of student journalists is really important in these scenarios so important indeed, and we're grateful to you and all your fellow student journalists over there for report bringing the news, and that's what we try to do. thanks so much for joining us and good luck to you and your fellow student journalist coming up. how the campus protests are playing out over there on the presidential campaign trail. donald trump, by trying to use the issue against president biden sunday.

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sunlen serfaty in washington and this is cnn there's more breaking news right now and the campus unrest, law enforcement is taking action against protesters at the dallas campus of the university of texas cnn's ed lavendera is joining us on the phone right now. ed, what can you tell us well, this this situation developing on the campus of the university of texas at dallas, which is in the suburb, northern suburb of richardson, just north of dallas. >> but the campus was about 30,000 students and an or student organization called students for justice in palestine started setting up an encampment area early this morning around 4:30 a.m. central time. and now within

the last 30 minutes or so we have seen a massive presence, presence of state troopers, as well as local police going through the encampment, starting to rip apart tense and coverings. they're pushing the students back. this is an organization that had been holding a number of citizens over the last ten days or so in administration offices calling for the university to divest itself from investments that support israel, as well as calling for university leadership. do call for a ceasefire in gaza, but this is really the most intense scenes of protests that we've seen on this particular campus of ut d in just north of dallas, and they're several hundred students out there that were in that encampment in a group. very quick we well, it started as i mentioned, just after 4:00 this morning, and it wasn't until some 12 hours later or so that authorities moved in and

started a dispersing the crowd there. and that's the scene that continues to unfold at this hour campus unrest continuing to spread all across the country right now, ed lavendera thanks, for that update. update. the protests are clearly also having an impact on the campaign trail tonight, donald trump's slamming president biden over the anti gaza war protests, saying, i'm quoting him now, nowhere to be found. >> he's referring to a president by cnn's kristen holmes is joining us from michigan right now, where former president trump by hazard event later this hour cnn's mj lee is in florida covering an appearance by vice president kamala harris there, kristen, first of all, tell us more about what trump is saying yes. all right. now, donald trump is in michigan and giving his pretty standard campaigns earlier he was in wisconsin seizing on what he and his team is an opening with these campus protests is sweeping across the country. this idea that it is given an opening nardi as

president joe biden has been forced to navigate, is sensitive issue here ahead of the november election, reset actually doubling down. you said that donald biden was not possible i raised a law enforcement for the crackdowns. take alyssa the cameras, the radical extremists and far-left agitators are terrorizing college campuses as you you possibly noticed and biden's nowhere to be found. he has anything but there is political base he also pointed to a cvs report that said that the biden administration was considering bringing in that somehow these are people who are fleeing the war in gaza as refugees. >> he went on to say that this was bad for these college campuses that again, kraze law enforcement but this is just another opportunity for donald trump that he's really seizing on the he has the essentially upper hand and this is true

because he's not president. he doesn't have to propose any sort of tangible plan that has been put into action. and they are looking at this as an opportunity ahead. november as biden seem hope that this either up donald trump's team normally hopes that it ramps up to help his campaign bruises or kristen thank you very much. >> i'm trump can't campaign today because the criminal trial, the hush money criminal trial in new york is in recess on wednesdays let's go over to check in what's happening with the vice president, kamala harris was in florida. i she spent the day focus again in her speech on abortion rights. but how much pressure or she and president biden facing to speak out about the campus protests all across the country. mj lee is joining us right now. what's the latest on that front mj well, if the focus for the biden campaign here in jacksonville today was entirely on the issue of reproductive rights. vice president kamala harris coming to florida on the same de that a controversial six-week abortion ban went into effect.

and the vice president didn't really pointing her finger at the former president, dollars i'll trump saying that there's currently a full on assault on reproductive rights and saying that a second trump term would mean more bans, more suffering, and less freedom. one thing that the vice president did not mention onstage here in jacksonville is the eruption of pro-palestinian protests across college campuses. you know, back in washington, of course, the white house has been closely monitoring the situation and we've seen the white house trying to walk this delicate balance of saying that they support the right to peacefully protest and the freedom of speech, but also trying to draw the line at any kind of hate speech on antisemitism. and we saw white house press secretary three corinne john pierre today answering the question of why the president himself has not addressed this issue in recent days. take a listen the president is being kept regularly updated. >> no president. no president

has spoken more forcefully about combatting anti-semitism than this president he responded, leads me to the impression that the white house views anti-semitism as synonymous with the protests as a whole i was very clear about there's a small number of students who are causing the disruption and you know, wolfe one consistent thing that i have heard of my colleagues have heard in recent days is this insistence from white house officials at the president is being driven by policy? see and not politics when it comes to the israel-hamas war, the idea being that if he were being driven by politics, maybe he would be making a different decision, gone down a different path. >> we are also learning from pool reporters at a fundraiser that the president was in in washington, that this issue is not one that he addressed in front of donors well, heard mj lee. >> thank you very much, kristen holmes. thanks to you as well. let's get some more on all of these developments with our political experts, karen

finney, i'll start with you, president biden is walking a tight rope on this issue. does he need to speak up more forcefully on these protests all over the these college campuses, all over the country how, do you think he should approach this? >> i actually think they're doing the right thing. many of these protesters, if you believe what they're saying, their demands are, our issues related to the administrations of their college campuses. and so i do think there are issues where having the president insert himself is not necessarily the right thing. the other thing i would just note is that politicos reporting this evening that the president is going to actually give a speech sometime next week on antisemitism. so i do think he's trying to make sure we don't lose the real issue here, which is antisemitism know pushing back against hate. and, but it's a different thing to say. you care about the palestinian people than it is two, then some of what we're hearing from the protesters.

last thing i'll just mention, i think the size really matters. i think monitoring how big this really is as you know harvard university is one of the best youth polls and they found that this issue is actually number 15 among college students. so i think keeping it in perspective is helpful. >> yeah, that's important to keep it in perspective, but that poll was taken before all these demonstrations really exploded the way they are. these college campuses. alyssa farah griffin i want you in our viewers to listen to the way trump described law enforcement, the nypd in new york specifically going into columbia university, listen to this it was a beautiful thing to watch new york's finest you saw him go up and ladders to breaking the windows and getting in and that's dangerous because you don't know what's on the other side of that window. and they went in, they knocked it out and they were incredible. they did a great job new york's finest so what do you make of that alyssa less than trump's seizing the opportunity of this moment. >> i think we're in a very

real scenario where these campus protests could be part of a perfect storm to really boost donald trump. and i say this because joe biden risks losing support from his left flank. we know that the young people are not with them. we know the progressive left not with him with regard to america's response and support for israel. but we also know that a lot of moderate swing voters who he carried in 2020, who are probably inclined to be with him. they see what we're seeing on college campuses. this, this this violence, this lawlessness, this reckless list, and this, and it really resonates. i, i'm just going to disagree with karen here. i think the president should give a national address. i think he owes it to the young voters here to explain exactly what he is doing with regard to the war in gaza, what he's asking of bibi netanyahu and how he has been working to get a ceasefire. he needs there's a level of educating be the communicator and chief here. he can't sit back or he could wake up in a moment. in realize that this really benefited donald trump's interesting, jasmine abu talib of the washington post is also with us. he has been you were there

inside the white house briefing earlier today. why is the biden administration apparently having such a difficult time addressing this issue? >> i think they see it as a lose-lose in the way that they address it. on the one hand, they condemn anti-semitism and some of the antisymmetric chance that we've heard arise at some of these protests on the other hand, there are many peaceful pro-palestinian demonstrators and they understand that the democratic party is it's deeply divided over the war and the approach president biden has chosen to taken, which so far is unconditional military supportive israel with more than 35,000 palestinians who have been killed. a lot of criticism of the way the war has been conducted. so i think they are trying to be very careful to not alienate the moderate voters. they need to repeat they're winning 2020 coalition, but also they really need the young voters and progressive voters, which polls show widely disapprove of the way biden has handled this war. so there's sort of trying to walk this middle line of

condemning antisemitism, but also saying they understand where the protesters are coming from. and there's a right to peaceful protests. so i think if they, if they come down much harder than not, they risk alienating one of these groups that they need. >> i would just add the wolfe, i think the other dynamic that we need to be considering here and mj was sort of alluding to this and that is what is a way you might say politically in response to what's happening on college campuses is not necessarily the same conversation we know that he is having behind the scenes diplomatically to try to secure the freedom of the hostages, to try to actually secure a ceasefire. and so this is where i disagree with alyssa a little bit, which is again, he's going to give a speech next week, we'll see what he's going to say. but i think they will be writing that speech with the mindset of, again, walking this fine balance because it's still a very active situation in terms of foreign policy and trying to get bibi to do certain things that we know he

does not at this point want to do is a little different than talking about the protesters well, in the reality, if i may jump in as campuses are going to wind down for the summer, but i don't think we anticipate seeing these protests and we saw them at the white house correspondents dinner. i think there's anticipated that there'll be at the democratic convention. people keep drawing this very, very imperfect analogy to 1968. and i would just remind folks, nixon won if people see that i feel like there's protests, there's violence in the streets, swing voters hate that and they can hold their nose and vote for donald trump. so there's something more biden needs to be doing, but i take karen's point. >> well, let's just remember democratic mayor, democratic mirrors the one who actually got it done in new york, by the way, i'm very quickly it was announced today that next week the president will deliver a major speech at the us holocaust memorial museum that was announced earlier today to all of you. thank you very, very much. just ahead, as we continue to monitor the very tense situation at fordham university in new york, we're going to break down the police response there. and at campuses

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eye on the situation over at fordham university in new york, where protests against the israel-hamas war are clearly escalating. an officers in riot gear are now just outside the university. let's go back to cnn's shimon prokupecz. he is on the scene for us in new york. she might give us an update well for development here at fordham, the group of students and former students that were behind me here at fordham university camped out in the lobby, have now been taken to custody by the nypd. >> the nypd just a short time ago, releasing video and in the video you could see the protesters lined up, police officers putting those zip ties on them, removing the tense that have been in the lobby of fordham university since early this morning. students have been fusing to leave the school notified them, but as a result, they were being suspended and then a short time ago, the school sent a letter to begin why pv just like we saw with columbia university last night.

and what we have previously seen with the nyu, nyu asking the nypd to come in and make arrests? since you remove the individuals that we're in the lobby what fordham says was that there was a clear and present danger that there was a safety concern and regrettably, they needed to ask the nyt pd to come in and remove the protesters, also significantly up what significant wealth has that fordham university is now asking the nypd de two remain on their campus around their buildings for the graduation. on may 20 seconds. so this will now be the second university in the city. the of new york requesting the presence of law enforcement after graduation, right now, most of the people who were outside when we were on last, they voted you can see here wealth. they all have left the nypd sort of, they came in force. you saw that earlier about 100 or so officers came in here, they line the street

as they were making the the rest and many of the protesters left. but the campus, the university in the building right now is still surrounded by law enforcement by the nypd at every entrance and exit, and they remain on the street with this presence outside the university, but certainly a significant development here that the students, the protest is that we're in the lobby here. i don't know how much you could see through this glas wolfe, but i'm hoping you could see a little. they were just simply camped out here. it's less than probably about a dozen or so, less than 15 of them. they were in the lobby. and so now this because it's been cleared out and the protesters who came out to support them have left. but the nypd remains out here to provide security and presumably they'll stay there for a while. >> while shimon prokupecz over at fordham university. thank you very much. i want to bring in former dc chief of homeland security and intelligence than harb along with cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence

analyst john miller john, first of all, give us your analysis of what we are seeing the police moving in at fordham university in new york york what is the risk of heightened police responses potentially inflaming the tensions? >> well, what's really interesting, wolfe, is that in these cases, police don't really set the tolerances. the tolerances are set by the university's. and i think that the university presidents and administrators have been watching what is occurring at each other's campuses. and changing their decisions on how long to let something go on, how much to let it grow before intervention? fordham is a jesuit school and a very tightly run operation so i think what you saw today is the occupation inside their lobby complete with tents. police were called. but what you're looking at here on this video is actually not disorder. it's classic civil disobedience the

instruction was given to those who wanted to leave could leave those who remained would be arrested. they lined up peacefully and, you know in that genre, it's looked at as a sign of your commitment to the cause i'm willing to protest i'm willing to take my arrest. it's called passive resistance. so this is classic civil disobedience. so i don't see it heating up or inflaming tensions as much as i see, protesters are beginning to see that institutions are shortening the leash on this kind of activity. >> yeah, we saw done aloe saw police fail to prevent violence over a ucla and an incident in arizona state university. we're police remove the protesters, the job how complicated are these police actions right now, dealing with extremely sensitive issues and all these young students they're extremely complicated, wolfe, because each jurisdiction has different laws and statutes, for, as john mentioned, what

acceptable some property is private and some properties public depending on what type of institution additionally, law enforcement agencies have different standards in terms of how they arrest him individuals, how they searched them, how they protect themselves, and when they doing search. and you mentioned the hijab, what they remove and what they don't remove. and so you really have to look at each case individually and within context of what's going on on the ground, there's a great juxtaposition here between how nypd handled and how the university he's in new york city handled their civil disobedience and how it was handled. and ucla, a good point. john, turning to the nypd clearing out and arresting columbia university protesters. i want to play for you and our viewers. what we heard from new york officials listen to this when the canvas should not have been there, they were people who are professionals we saw

evidence this of training. >> these students don't come in the doors knowing how to barricade themselves behind barriers that they've created. these they're all skills that are taught and learned and that presents a problem so john, how is the nypd working to understand how many protesters were outside? >> we're actually outside agitators as opposed to being students or those affiliated with the university so the people in the encampment, in the tense at columbia university were almost all students, but police arrested about 40 between 4050 people inside hamilton hall, and they have supplied all of those names to columbia university and the university is running it against their records to figure drought. >> how many of them were students, and what percentage of them, if any, we're not. >> very interesting. they got their work cut out for them. all of them. john miller, thank

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at fordham university in new york where arrests of protesters are underway. >> as dissent against the israel-hamas war is intensifying secretary of state antony blinken has been turning up the pressure on hamas to accept the new proposal to police more hostages and to accept a pause in the fighting in gaza, joining us. now, congressman jim hims, democratic connecticut, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee. he's been briefed on these ceasefire proposals that are now under consideration, congressman. thanks so much for joining us. these hostage and ceasefire talks. as you hi, well-known our viewers know they've been going on for many months. how close are the party's right now to a potential breakthrough? and you think that would lower the temperature at college campuses here in the united states? >> yeah. well, wolf, it's always unwise to bet on the success of a deal in the middle east. sadly all too often conflicts there go really very,

very poorly. but the president, the secretary of state, the director of cia the united states government, has really gone to work and put their shoulder to the wheel on trying to get hamas and israel. and by the way, not just the us, but egypt and qatar and others the stakes are really pretty high wealth i'm not sure that what happens on the college campuses holds a candle to the stakes in terms of innocent life in rafah. if a incursion into rafah can be averted by a deal that will be a lot of lives saved. if a deal is established, it might be something that could serve as a foundation for a larger piece deal. so there's a heck of a lot at stake. whether what the reverberations would be on campus. i don't know, but i must tell you personally, i'm keeping my fingers crossed that a deal can succeed and that a lot of lives will be saved because of that. >> yeah, me too, president biden, as you know, has been forcefully condemning antisemitism. but he's actually been seeing very little

directly to the protestors themselves. he doing enough, you think to lead the country through this very turbulent time well, the president is obviously had to to thread a very difficult needle most americans believed that we should support israel and our strong in their support of israel. >> i think most americans to look at the loss of innocent life in gaza and the humanitarian situation there and say that's not right sadly, the conflict i know this because i'm in politics has sort of acquired a failure to appreciate that there are profound concerns and equities on both sides of this struggle. the president of course, is caught in the middle of that with respect to the campus protests, to me, it doesn't seem that complicated, right obviously, these students have a right to express their opinions. we enshrined in our first amendment people's right to make points to agitate, to advocate what you don't have

have a right to do without consequence, of course, is to break rules and to break laws. and whether you're the group of people who assaulted the capital on january 6, or a protest or who threw a brick through a starbucks window, or somebody who is illegal usually trespassing on a on a, on a faculty on a university property there are consequences. sometimes those consequences are meted out by the law, by the police departments. sometimes there for internal disciplinary, but this used to be embraced and you'll remember this wolf, this used to be embraced by the notion of civil disobedience. martin luther king understood that sometimes you had to break the law, but when you did that, you start you suffered the consequences and you did so willingly. and knowingly congressman jim. >> hi, thanks is usual for joining us. appreciate a very much. >> thank thank you, wolf. and coming up by campus protests now and how they compare to a long history of student descent in this country. >> the ancient rash of moderate to severe eczema disrupts my skin night and day despite

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on us college campus is seen as bryan todd is taking a closer look at the history of student unrest in america. >> 1968, student protesters at new york's columbia university take over several buildings and briefly even take the dean hostage. one of the buildings they seized hamilton hall, which students occupied during this week's protests at columbia 1968, the first time it was occupied hamilton hall was the scene of a dramatic police action that resulted in the arrests of 700 people. those protests against the vietnam war had been taking place for years on college campuses across america and would continue for a few more for years from columbia to cal berkeley, to kent state in 1969, student protesters at harvard took over and occupied university hall marching school officials out of the building. >> what we're seeing right now is students really engaging and not only using their voices were using their bodies. and

that's the way that we saw students in the 60s doing it. the prime mary difference between then and now, the scale of the violence while skirmishes have broken out at ucla and some other campuses during the current demonstrations, these protests have been for the most part, peaceful in the vietnam era, violence broke out routinely and on many campuses, students often brawling with police disciplining students, calling in the police, having protests removed that tended to increase the sympathy for protesters build the size of protests and also increase the voice of more extreme activists in to horrific episodes, the vietnam era violence turned deadly in may 1970 on the campus of kent state university, ohio national guard troops opened fire on student protesters, killing four of them and injuring several others. days later, during rates we shall injustice pitesky at jackson state college in mississippi. police

fired at a dormitory, killing two students and injuring a dozen others. possibly a closer comparison to what's going on now took place in the 19 when students across america protested against apartheid in south africa, they called on schools to divest themselves from companies groups that supported the apartheid regime in south africa, much like students are now calling oncologists to divest themselves from israeli linked companies, rarely we talk about boycott divestment and sanctions. >> that's what it was. we're going to use a non-violent peaceful resistance. >> another dynamic that hasn't changed across these arrows of protest. >> they've got a lot of energy and they're idealistic and they like to protest when things feel on jost receive adjusted but the actual results could be different this time around. it is not clear if these protests are going to change the collective view of the israel-hamas war are the us government's handling of it wolf, ryan taught at george washington university here in washington. thanks very much tour