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between protesters, pro-palestinian protesters, and police. the latest on the campus of ucla, we have been watching as police have finally moved then smashing down tents, taping down some of the encampment and arresting those who were inside at this hour, we been watching them move in very quickly. how they'd been standing there since about 1:00 this morning waiting to push forward after telling the in camera that they were there illegally, the university sending out an alert two students, they are the students have been pushing back. we have seen them used, for example, fire extinguishers on police. we have seen them using lights to try to blind the please so that they can't see very well as they're trying to push in on an area that is a little bit smaller than the size of a football field that has been covered with tents and protesters for a week. now, i want to give you a view from just minutes ago as police started pushing in trying to get the pro-palestinian protest

are encampment and the protesters out what you are hearing, there are flash bangs or stun grenades that the police are deploying. and you're hearing some of the students so we're in that encampment yelling as police in law in a mass move, are trying to what it's called katelyn trying to get around this protests write a make the

smaller and smaller and smaller so they are pushed into an area where they can then bring them out detain them, using the zip ties that we've been seeing them use throughout the morning. i want to get to our camila bernal. she is on the scene there front and center and has been watching this for hours now, camila, what can you tell us is happening right now hey sarah we're trying. >> to get as close as possible because those police officers are also making progress and moving into the encampment see here behind me if all the tents that the police officers were able to push out of the way as they were moving in to the encampment, this whole area was part of being camp meant. and now what you're seeing is sort of an encircled meant by police officers as they continue to fire these flash bangs in the air to try to disperse the crowd there are definitely a lot more police officers than protesters are at the moment. it's actually hard to see where these protesters are but they are in a group in the

middle of all of these police officers off to the other side. >> what i think is happening is that they're also getting rid of that barrier that those protesters had set up with some of the plywood and the metal barriers so you're seeing some police presence, often the back, you're hearing the group of protesters in the middle still chanting and still very much defiant despite the fact that they are surrounded by law enforcement officers we have not seen them moving closer in the last couple of minutes, but again, you just never know when these officers move in closer and closer to give these protesters less room. >> and then you continue to see people being arrested and being being detained and being moved out of this area. we also are seeing a bus ready right next to this area to take a lot of these people that are being detained so as you're seeing now, these police officers are trying to get some of that

garbage are some of the things that were in the encampment. they are right now moving in closer and closer. you're seeing that happening at the moment as they move out the tenth, as they move out, all of the things that these proteins clusters had inside of the encampment. and as they get closer to that group of protesters who are still very much defiant and who are standing in the middle they're all holding arms linking arms and trying thank to stay in place as you're seeing more and more of these officers bringing all of these tents out of the encampment so again, it's been a very intense morning with a lot of police activity and a lot of protesters who say they're not leaving, who say they still want to be here just moments go. i was still seeing a palestinian flag being waived in the air, but take a look at this. they're taking out bicycles, they're taking out blankets. they're taking out all of the hence and sort of pushing them off to the sayyed

as officers make progress and move further and further in, you can clearly see that they have essentially taken over the cabinet, the police officers have, as they continue to move further in, i'm trying to get closer to see the group of protesters who are still surrounded by officers. they're all trying to stay in a group to stay together and stand firm. but it is essentially the possible with the amount of law enforcement officers that you are seeing right now, you hear them shouting and you do hear police officers telling them to move to move and clearly they're not doing so in they're trying to stand there. but there are not many left in terms of what i'm seeing right in front of me it's a smaller group of protesters who are trying to hold their ground. but again, police officers continue to move in guys camila

bernal thank you so much for that, for setting the scene for us this morning it we'll be daybreak. >> there and we will be able to see the scene much clearer in just a bit here. but you are describing what is going on on ucla's campus i am standing out in front of columbia university, which is really the epicenter of where these campus protests began. a couple of weeks ago. that went on ucla. we are seeing some serious police action. they're using sun grenades and all sorts, a manner, of things to try and make this a smaller and smaller and smaller in cantonese until they are going to what it appears, arrest those who are left. we have seen at least a half dozen arrest just in the past 30 minutes from watching the video there where you're seeing them detain protesters. we also have been camacho who is on the line of freelance journalist, who was there last night as all of this was starting to go down, you said that you were watching this happens of around 5:00. there

are police on the scene from several different agencies. and then what when did you really the police start to move in because for a very long time yesterday they were on the outskirts of this encampment and they were not moving and they were just sort of holding a line yeah that's correct so i didn't really see much action from the cops up until maybe one 30 in the morning when lapd did break through a small part of the barricade on one on one side of the camp and, then that's when several hundred protesters did surround the couple of dozen lapd officers who did break through the barricade that's when protesters also did manage to push those officers out of there and cabinet and still the barricade backup do you have any sense then of the numbers

of people if there were any arrest the night before when they're words, a battle, there has been a lot of criticism that police we're not on campus the night before when you have this clash the pro is really protesters who ended up attacking, goes on campus that were part of the pro-palestinian encampment. we did see people getting eaten up at least one person was beaten and kicked kicked, and use pipes on them. and so we saw some violence there. do you have any sense of aware that stands and what some of the complaints have been about what happened prior to the police. now, going into the encampment in trying to clear it no i wasn't there last night. i was i've just been following the story online. i just know that counter did attack the camp and they tried to defend themselves. but when people arrive with pipes than unless you have a pipe or something

else it's kinda hard to defend yourself. so there was bloodshed and i don't know if anyone has been arrested at this time for that ben camacho. thank you so much for setting the scene as to how this all went down on ucla's campus with the brand new police presence that appeared yesterday and has now moving in to try to clear that encampment slowly. but surely i appreciate you and our camila bernal, who is on the scene there and just to wrap things up, just to give you some sense, we are still watching these pictures of police trying to push in, making the encampment smaller and smaller and getting closer and closer to the core group of protesters who have decided to stay. but as you heard from camila, the number of protestors has really diminished police have been arresting people throughout the last couple of hours. and we will see what happens as we are continuing to watch this live holding in front of our eyes yeah. >> and we are here and getting getting team to keep these pictures up right now, joining

us is our senior law enforcement in terrorism analyst john miller. you're watching alongside as john what do you see here? how would you describe the actions the police have taken? it's really been the last 1205 minutes, correct. since they they moved around the sayyed of the protesters and began constricting. is ke telling them in a smaller area so this has been a deliberately slow motion affair starting yesterday when they chose the forces and the order of deployment california highway patrol in the lead lapd and other agencies covering their flank on the perimeter. >> a series of options in their toolkits you've seen pepper ball of guns being backed, shot guns to less than lethal munitions rubber bullets it's on the screen here. >> is it rubber bullets or is it beanbag guns and paintball for them it's interchangeable terms of art, but the these are

taped earlier, john, just so you know, we didn't mean to interrupt so long as the slow-mo i mean, i mean, earning yesterday, they went in with a plan and what you're looking at here is the result of ucla believing that they could let this go on for a long time and that it would somehow be easier and police now saying, well if we're supposed to resolve this situation right now, we're going to do it in our own way at our own pace, in our own time because actually moving in quickly, trying to disperse them i'm quickly trying to do all of this into hours with the number of people they have would be a mistake. >> so they're being very systematic, very methodical. i'm going first to take the barricades make arrests for people who have been warned under 6407 a and six o to the the laws of trespassing there,

that if you remain here, you're going to be arrested and you've seen that crowd deplete by people deciding, i'm not going to remain in be arrested as well as people who are being arrested how and who decides the line of it's been it's legal, lawful, peaceful protest. and it's crossed the line and now police move in. >> how does this go so fascinating question because it's a tale of two colleges here at usc they university of southern california in la they had a protest set up an encampment and they said, you know, we're going to allow you to be there till the end of the day and then we're going to come and arrest you. >> so they were assertive. they were clear in their orders, in their timing and they did what they said and that went very peacefully. it was short, it was controlled in ucla's case, they thought, well, it's an encampment. we have plenty of

room. it'll be fine. it's a peaceful protest but then what you saw yesterday, the night before last was a large group of people came and tried to attack the protesters. and then a pitched battle went on for between two or three hours, depending on how you set the time of when it started and when it vanished. the police response was almost nonexistent because when campus security called for the campus police department and they called for backup from the lapd. the lapd said, we're coming in, but we're coming in prepared in riot gear and they said, well, we don't want that and they said, well then if if we can't come in prepared the way we dictate tactically, then we're not coming and then of course, that caused this 90 minute thing that we've all seen on video with them fighting back and forth that goes to the governor's office, right this is a state school in the middle of los angeles. the state's

biggest city. and that video played all day. and that word came down from the governor's office to the college two, we're going to resolve this and we're going to do it and that's why you see the california highway patrol a state agency taking the lead at a state school because i think gavin newsom and the powers that be in sacramento said this looks really bad and we have to take some kind of action because this isn't going to get better as we let it grow. it's going to get more complicated and it is important to note that ucla, we're looking at right now is a public university. so the law actually is a little bit different. on these grounds, then it would be at usc or a columbia where we seen before private universities, fordham fordham that happened. so free speech rules that the site, a certain barriers don't have had to be met if the college's want to have them dispersed quickly, ucla a little bit of a different ball game. sarah signer is watching this along with us and i know sarah has a

question for john john, only you would know that the california penal code six or two k for trespass. so kudos to you for for knowing all the details there being in new york kirk i do want to ask you about comparing and contrasting because john is bringing up all these other places where we have seen these arrests in wisconsin, we saw battles queen police and protesters that never looks good to the public when you see students and police in a battle, we thought the same thing at ut austin with professors complaining about the heavy-handed tactics they thought had happened on that campus. and then you saw what happened here at columbia where police went in in mass to try to get protesters out of hamilton hall here in columbia. can you compare and contrast what you're seeing here compared to what you've been seeing across the country with how police have dealt with this versus what you're seeing at ucla, which seems to be much slower and much worth methodical so new york is

unique in that they have 35,000 police officers the idea that they were able to amass 1,000 or more to handle the columbia situation, was based in the idea, if that you show up with overwhelming show of force, you probably won't have to use force and they didn't. >> there was i think out of 280 to arrest, there was one injury to one person and that is remarkable. and the situation where you're taking that many people into custody in los angeles, you've only got 9,200, so police officers for a city, half the size of new york with a third larger geography so that makes deployment decisions much more difficult where you can't really call up 1,000 cops and say, if we need another thousand, we'll just call them. so what you see is a carefully stitched together mutual aid program where it's california state highway patrol

it's lapd, it's beverly hills, santa monica, and all the cities around and contributing people it makes command and control a little more difficult because it's not one agency i'm set of orders, but you do have the incident command system where there's an incident commander who's calling the shots and everybody is going to toe that line so one of the reasons they're going so slowly as they know the numbers of people that they have on the other side of those barricades, they know the numbers of people they brought and frankly, speed here is not on their side. this methodical approach is going to allow them to go slower but ultimately to use less force we're continuing to watch these life live pictures out of los angeles on ucla's campus, john miller standing by with us. we're gonna be right back after this every piece of

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to cattle them, trying to bring them into a much smaller space as they go forward, tearing down tents and tearing apart the encampment while also arresting those who are taking part in it. we know that there are had been sued in there, but there have also been professors who have been inside that encampment as well. and i do want to talk to one professor who has been on campus we are hoffman, he is a ucla clinical professor of anesthesiology. he was on the ground yesterday and professor, thank you so much for joining us this morning can you give me a sense of what? the students are saying as you as you sort of watch all of this unfold. can, can you give us a sense of what students have been saying over the past couple of days well i'm not in direct contact with undergraduate students, so i can only comment on what i've seen either on tv or while i was there. but most of the students want to have nothing to do with this mess. they just want to go to school take, their tests, graduate? there are some very extreme students that are treating this as if

it's a political protest but there's a lot of violence going on there there were some violence that broke out two nights ago that everyone was watching as they had pro israeli protests so it's attacking the pro palestinian protesters and then it was going back and forth and eventually police showed up. >> can you give me some sense of what the university is looking into now, is there investigation into what has happened on campus? and what do you know about that, if anything well, i just want to update your on the narrative here. >> the violence didn't start tuesday night the violence began as soon as this protest arrived. the day that the usc protest was shut down was the day that for giant buses arrived with people that we have no idea who they are, who came in. and together with some

students started to set up this encampment, which grew by friday. i went down there and i reported on the fact that jewish students and really anybody that didn't agree with the purpose of this protests were being harassed, bullied, intimidated, physically assaulted there was a counterprotest actually on sunday, which was an organized permitted protests by supporters of israel and jewish students and that protests was basically attacked by the palestinian protesters there was an many people were injured. so the violence really didn't start tuesday night. it had been going on for days and days what happened tuesday's despicable people that we don't know who they are basically came in and created a war zone. and that's what happens when there's no line order. i went to the police on friday again on monday and begged them to go up there because i myself was assaulted

on monday when i was giving an interview. and the police basically told me straight out that they have been given an order not to go up there directly by the leadership of the university so it sounds to me like first of all, can you tell us what happened to you when? >> you were attacked? a and b, it sounds to me that this has been going back and forth and back and forth. the latest thing that we saw, violence was on two nights ago, however you're saying this has been going on for awhile so what are your thoughts about how the university and police have handled this? because it sounds to me like you were very disappointed with how this has been handled on both ends of the spectrum so with regard to my attack, i was actually walking in towards the quad while giving a zoom interview some thugs donning parent palestinian coffee has basically told me to stop

walking and that i'm not allowed to go there. >> i tried to ignore them and walk around and one of them tackled me to the ground, my ear pod flew out apparently he stole it because i tracked it later into there quad. and when i went and filed a police report and told the police i can track them. i know exactly where he is. please go and arrest them. they basically told me we're not going to go in there to save your your pod. >> we had a private security guard that got kidnapped and put into that encampment. he was an old man who was injured, pepper sprayed, beat up, and we barely got him out now, yeah, i'm very disappointed in the police response, but i don't i mean, the police put out a statement basically stating that they're not responsible because they take orders from the leadership of the university. the leadership of the university did not want to do anything about this. and in fact, i believe that it wasn't the malay that broke out tuesday night that made them decide to disband this. i think they already made the decision

earlier on tuesday, which is why they issued a statement that then is illegal. they decided to break down the encampment when they when they got called in front of congress chris testify may 23rd. that's i think what led them to finally shut this down you think that's what sparked that? >> i have something other than the violence that we all saw breakout two nights ago, i do want to further ask you what has been the sentiment jewish students on campus, because you talked about your experience, who talked about the fear that maybe welling up there have you heard from jewish students on campus and how they are dealing with this? i know we are in that week or two of finals and then there's going to be management. but give me some sense of what you're hearing from those students the jewish students are horrified. it's it's. just the disgusting

atmosphere where anybody can be stopped by thugs and asked if there are zionist told that they're not allowed to enter the library told. that they're not allowed to enter a class being pushed around i i've seen videos of jews being assaulted it's a terrible atmosphere, but just it goes beyond just jewish students. i'm sure the palestinian students and other students are also horrified by what's happening when you have no rule of law, when anarchy rains than everybody loses except the anarchists. and what happened there was due to political decisions, it was basically decided not to send police up there when this was beginning and it just got worse and worse. he was a snowball and by the time they intervened, it was a disaster. and they should have done it earlier nir hoffman i'm sorry to hear that you were attacked. >> thank you so much for letting me talk with you throughout this. i know this has been really stressful time for every everybody on campus

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now, is democratic senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. of course she is also a biden harris campaign national national advisory board member and also spent a large part of her career as a college professor on these college campuses, senator, thank you for coming in. i mean, some of the various schools you have taught at them, but affiliated with during your academic career, harvard ut, austin among them. and there are many schools of massachusetts are seeing these very same pro-palestinian protests. what do you think of these campus protests? and the police being called in by school administrations? just to make them disperse it is foundational to our democracy that people have an opportunity to raise their voices to protest, to be heard by their elected officials, said to be heard by everyone else in the country. >> that's guaranteed in the constitution it is also foundational that it has to be peaceful and that it's not about bullying or attacking

other people or interfering with other people's ability to go to class to do the things they need to do my concern is to keep the focus on what's happening in the middle east there are things that our government needs to be pushing for right now. we need a ceasefire. no more dropping bombs in gaza. we also need return of those hostages. remember that we are now nearly seven months into people who have been held in captivity they need to be released and released to their families. >> we need a massive humanitarian relief flooding in to save little babies, people who are on the brink of starvation. and then most of all our government is in a position right now where we we should be giving a huge push to both sides to come to the negotiating table and to work out a peaceful two-state solution where two peoples can live side-by-side with

self-determination, with dignity and with an assurance of a long-term peaceful solution that's where i want to keep the focus right now on that. senator, you mentioned the conditions, a horrible conditions that people are suffering from in gaza. among the protests were seeing on these campuses, we're hearing protesters accusing israel of genocide and i noticed i had seen that at an event last month, you had you had said that you thought the actions in gaza legally could constitute genocide in the eyes of the international court of justice. >> and you'd said that if you want to do it, if you want to do it as an application of law, i believe that they'll find that it is genocide and they have ample evidence dence to do so according to political, your office clarified after that, you were commenting on the ongoing legal process at the icj, not sharing your views on whether genocide is occurring in gaza center, do you view israel's actions in gaza as committing genocide? there is a

legal process for this. the point i underscored then and i will underscore now, is that what benjamin netanyahu is doing in gaza is wrong? and that he has created a humanitarian disaster dropping 2000 pound dumb bombs in densely populated areas is way to get a whole lot of civilians killed. and blocking off humanitarian relief so that people can't get access to food, to water, to medical care that is a problem for gaza. and it creates a disaster that is put literally hundreds of thousands of people on the brink of starvation it is important that we get that humanitarian relief in, that we stopped the bombing, that we get those hostages back. and the united states has a role to play in pushing both parties in

the region to come to the table and negotiate a peaceful solution that's the way that the suffering will stop, not just in the short run, but how we build a bridge to a long-term peaceful solution. i want to add here, it's not just the united states other countries in the region want to support a long-term solution, but that's a two-state solution where two parties can live side-by-side with self-respect, with security, and with self-determination senator, you've also been a leading voice and you've been on the program talking, speaking out, and taking on donald trump directly, especially on the issue of abortion rights. >> the biden campaign is just put out a new ad this morning and it's going to be running in battleground space, states. >> and it really seems a direct response to what donald trump was saying in that time magazine interview and has just been saying even more about

abortion yesterday in wisconsin, he spoke to them a walkie journal sentinel, and he said, basically the states decide on abortion and people are absolutely thrilled with the way that's going on. >> every state is different that he said at a campaign event he's refused to say he would commit to vetoing a federal abortion ban. he deflected on that question. he says congress won't pass it, so it's not as problem. do you agree that a federal abortion ban would not make it through congress? >> let's be clear. there's the question of making it through congress and he has an extremist party that still in breast is embraces, for example, fetal personhood that is now the majority opinion in the house of representatives. and what that means is not only zero access to abortion nationwide, it also means, for example, no access to ivf so let's take a look at where that congress is right now. but

also keep in mind that groups like the heritage foundation that support donald trump are trying to map out ways that they believe that if donald trump is in the white house whether he has congress with him or not, that he can put a nationwide abortion ban in place. for example, they're promoting the idea that they could use the comstock act an old act that's already a part of federal law that he could use that now, in order to ban abortion nationwide there is no sharper contrast between the two people who are running for president than there is on abortion. donald trump has said over and over that, well, he wants to try to keep a lot of votes, but he goes out and bragg's to his people about how he's the one responsible for overturning roe versus wade. all of this can be laid at his feet. he is the one who is responsible for young rape

victims who cannot get access to abortion. women who are in the middle of a miscarriage who are told that they have to wait until they're in sepsis to get access to abortion. by contrast, joe biden is using every tool available to him and the glove box right now to protect access to abortion, it's very limited post roe versus wade but he's doing that and he has promised give him the chance and we can make roe versus wade law of the land again center. >> let me play this new ad that's just released when we play a portion of it because it's getting gets to exactly. you're saying two years ago, i became pregnant with a baby. i desperately wanted and i learned that the fetus would have fatal condition and never survive because of the new laws in texas, i had to flee my own state to receive treatment if donald will trump is elected. that is the end of a woman's

right to choose. there will be no place to turn and here's the thing in the polling that call it a head-scratcher. >> i don't know what to call it. >> polls show very consistently that two-thirds of americans disagree with the dobbs decision tt we're talking about. >> but there is not consensus on what to do about it. >> someone write abortion rights and trying to nation nationwide some almost an equal portion ish wanted to be left to the states. >> and there's also a much smaller portion of one access restricted nationwide. and when you see those numbers, i start wondering do you see that donald trump is politically in terms of the coalition of voters he needs to get to win. that he's maybe successfully threading a needle here oh, i don't think so. i don't think so at all the position of bomb trump and the extremists, isaac is just way out of the mainstream and look, i'm, i'm not a polling expert. i don't pretend to be. but what i know is that right now? one in every

three women of reproductive age live under an abortion ban and what's going to happen between now and the election in november. it's we're going to hear one more story and one more story and one more story. about women who have been denied access to the care they need. people who are rape victims who can't get help that they need women who are caught in the middle of of of a medical condition, or they have a fetus that cannot survive. people who are going through heartbreaking circumstances and we are going to be reminded over and over that decisions that should be between a patient and that patients, dr. and nobody else that donald trump and extremist republicans want the politicians to decide and remember, there's another

piece of what's come out recently. donald trump has said that he's actually okay with monitoring pregnant women to make sure that they don't engage in any activities that might end up in an abortion or seek abortion help in any way this is talk about fundamental freedoms. here are things that people for a long time thought we're protected. four women have been wiped out and it all can be laid at the feet of exactly one person and that is donald trump when he got that extremist supreme court in place and they overturned roe versus wade. we're just watching wave on wave, on wave on the water of what that means for people all across this country it is an extremist position that donald trump has taken. joe biden has said, give me the chance, and i'm going to put roe versus wade back in

as law of the land. that's what this election in 2024 is going to be about on the sayyed government makes the decision or the decide where people make their own decisions. >> apologies to jump in definitely absolutely becoming a centerpiece of this general election. senator elizabeth warren. thank you very much for coming on as we're seeing, right? there are continuing to monitor these live pictures. this is ucla's campus and you can see the sun is about to come up, and we will have a new view of what happened this morning as police law enforcement moved into arrest, protesters on campus and dismantle the encampment that has been there for a week week now, we will take you live back to la after this 24 hour prevents heartburn acid before it begins get all day and all

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>> you are we're going to show you live pictures out of los angeles as we continue to cover the breaking news police making arrests on ucla's campus as they began dismantling the protest encampment that's been there for a week now, this is one of so many campuses we've been tracking that have also seeing pro-palestinian protests engulfing campus life and shutting down operations and in some cases this is bringing new pressure on all of washington and all politicians, including president biden, and how they're how to respond to this protest movement. and the issues they're getting at this morning, donald trump is posting on social media about this asking, where is president biden and where is gavin newsom? joining us right now is former trump 2020 director of strategic communications mark water and democratic strategists and former chief of staff to senator joe manchin, chris caffeine is guys. thank you so much for being here mark, donald trump is not only posting about it this morning,

he's talking he's trying to use this whole thing against joe biden on the campaign trail. let me play this for you the radical extremists and far-left agitators, they're terrorizing college campuses as you possibly noticed, and biden is nowhere to be found. >> he hasn't said anything but there is political base it's not surprising, i would say that donald trump is is putting this at joe biden when you see all of this playing out on college campuses. but if poll after poll, after poll, we have seen that amongst young voters and voters writ large this issue. what's happening is israel's war against hamas in gaza. and biden's response and handling of it is not a top issue. >> is you making a mistake by making this such a big issue from the trail wasn't this this is an easy opportunity where you have folks who are maybe middle of the road

possibly undecided folks look and see what's going on on these college campuses and it just leaves them shaking their heads. >> i saw a poll yesterday that came out that said 70% of americans supported a resting these protesters to third, supported sending the national guard in if state and local and university officials won't deal with these threats to jewish students and just to just good order on these campuses, it's not specifically this. it gets to the bigger issue of of crime, if you will, that donald trump has been hitting and so on. >> well, exactly. and i think it does resonate with folks who are across america when they see what's happening in our cities and many big cities and they just shake their heads. you see these protests happening, and then they go on for weeks and weeks and weeks as as soon as it crosses over from that first amendment, where were threatening jewish students to where we're actually shutting down operations. i think that's where the line was crossed. the president biden should have taken a stronger stance, come out more forceful on it, and even threatened to use the national guard if local and state officials wouldn't step

in and do it. >> chris, if i can, i want to shift gears now to another moment of unrest and other crime? that we're committed because donald trump in the interview at time magazine the other day, referred to people who write it at the capitol, the insurrectionist as a j. patriots and then last night in an interview with the milwaukee journal sentinel, was asked if he would accept the election results in 2024, and he said, if everything's honore so don't change on that, but then he also said, if it's not, you have to fight for the right of the country. you have to fight he says, if he doesn't think the election results are honest and we know that his bar for honesty does it comport with reality since he didn't think the 2020 results were honest. so how seriously should voters take statements like this? chris well, i mean, it's not just trump rhetoric and the one thing if you even if you look at what's happening across the

college campuses and trump's rhetoric yesterday, it is kind of ironic enrich that he's talking about forceful response to those college campus protests but completely ignores his role and responsibility of the january 6 protests. here's if you step back and put this the politics aside for a second voters are sick and tired. i've seen this in all the research we've done over the last year are sick and tired of this division dysfunction and chaos, unrest across the board. so i'm not surprised nor should anyone be that trump's going to essentially talk at both sides of his mouth. he's going to talk about a forceful response, then ignore it. in other circumstances. the other part i think for democrats and i think this is the part that's key the president is kinda missed. i think a key opportunity here right? to go out there and talk about these college campus protests, to talk about them. and i think in a fair reasonable way to paint a contrast between what a donald trump presidency would do and what he is doing. the

the idea that you're not going out there at this moment talking about this, i'm talking about the president right now. make it's no strategic political sense at all i think it provides a vacuum that trump is happy to fill with whatever, whatever rhetoric he's going to come up with that day. >> you're talking about biden and the unrest at colleges, specifically chris wright yeah. >> i mean absolutely. i mean the reality is when you look at what's happening, i mean, voters, especially if you look at the election, right, there's, the lecture is going to be decided by kinda to dynamics, mobilizing your base and those middle undecided voters those middle undecided voters have a lot of questions, concerns about both candidates, right? they a, if you will, kind of chaos, this creates right or wrong the image of chaos. and in those circumstances, the president, president biden, has to go out there and make it clear what his position is and what he believes is right and wrong in these circumstances. not doing that, right creates an

opportunity for trump to say, oh, i'm the adult, which is insane but that's the problem when you create a vacuum, i do not understand it at all. >> i want i wanna go double down on and go back to the quote that john was reading mark about political hello violence related to the coming election in 2024 trump to the milwaukee journal sentinel. if everything's honest, i'll gladly accept the results. i don't change on that if it's not, you have to fight for the right of the country. also to time magazine that we've, that we've been talking about this week. i think we're going to win if we don't win and, you know, it depends. it always depends on the fairness of the election. >> people who are familiar with donald trump often say, this is his rhetoric after january 6 is there any way that it can only be that i mean, from a com's perspective, do you want your candidate out saying this? well, i think what we have to understand is we're asking we're asking a political candidate regardless of whether

it's donald trump or democrat, republican are you just going to accept at face value the result when we've seen in state, local elections, go back to the 2000 election, if we would have asked al gore in april of 2000, will you accept the election results? not challenge, not go to court, not at not take your legal rights to have questions asked about the counting and the ballots no one would have expected that. >> now, did that, but i get that. >> but donald trump is in a category of his own when it comes to this commentary after january 6, after the 2020 election, which he still does not accept the results, even though it was a fair election. after that, how can this, this is in a category of its own, but i don't think you can actually hold a candidate to a category of its own. they have the same legal rights and i would say that legal. >> sure. but that's but i'm talking about the political violence that is not completely that he does not completely denounce or take the

opportunity to when he's asked about political violence, not just fairness of an election. >> well, i mean, we're not talking about political violence here. we're talking about accepting the results of an election this is, this is what it comes after the election. >> i think obviously all we're always going to condemn for a little violence. >> i think january 6 plus a horrible de the folks who were there exercising their rights at the less than jason six patriots. he's not condemning the violence. he's calling the j. six. >> there were there were tens of thousands of people who were there at the ellipse says, and then there was a small number that way to the cow inside the capital, you won't rule that pardoning all the people who were inside the capital, they call some j6 patriots. we do have to cover the breaking news. that's going on in la. or coverage continues right now cnn's breaking news all right. >> we're going to bring you alive. the new scenes of what's going on there at the ucla campus. after an aac camp then has been on that campus a pro-palestinian encampment for

a week now, it looks flight the police are moving that encampment completely out. let us get to camila bernal, who is there on the scene right now. we are seeing it is now a light there. we've been watching this since 1405 in the morning when police started pushing in, what can you tell us about the status of the protesters and the encampment itself, which takes up the size of about a football field hey, sarah, so i'll start with the encampment that encampment has been cleared by police officers. >> and what we saw was every single protests are getting arrested one by one at the very end when you had a smaller group of protesters what you were seeing was a lot more defiance, people pushing and shoving as they were getting arrested. definitely a little bit more violence towards that last group. protesters, they were still trying to link arms. they were still a shouting and saying things like dissolve and

divest and screaming as they were being taken away by these police officers in the distance, you can see the buses were all of these members of the encampment or protesters were being taken after they were arrested or detained by these police officers. but you're seeing the amount of trash and the amount of tents and just a lot of the things that these protesters had for a week to be here inside of this encampment. it is just a mess and you're seeing some of those officers taking down those tents at the moment as they were getting arrested, every single one of those protesters was getting their helmets off, face coverings mass they were being taken off by these law enforcement officers and then taken to the buses in nearby. now, i want to show you the scene in front of me because the focus has now shifted to this area. there are protesters that were outside of the encampment that are still here waving these palestinian flags still shouting. and we

did here these chp officers saying that they were going to shift focus. so now you're seeing more of these officers standing right outside of the encampment? or the area that was the encampment and are now facing these protesters. they have not moved in. and again, this sort of shifted just moments ago. but this is the scene right now protesters who were not part of the encampment, who are still wearing a lot of these helmets and face coverings. and then the line of chp officers in riot gear. i also want to say i saw some of these chp officers covered in that white powder. we were speaking earlier and said that they likely had these fires distinguishers going off. that was part of the protesters and we saw some of those fires signatures on the ground in the middle of all this trash. so it's likely that that was used by the protesters. i saw some of the protesters at some point throwing water bottles and water at the officers. that was a moment when we saw what we

believe were rubber bullets and police firing those off, those were used during the most tense moments of the morning. but at the moment, things are a lot calmer despite the fact that you are still seeing a lot of protesters and the line of police officers here, sarah thank you for your great reporting and the here. is that the encampment on the ucla campus, the pro-palestinian encampment, have as now been cleared. it has been there for about a week. we have seen violence that has happened between protesters, both the pro israeli protest festers and the pro-palestinian protesters now, we are seeing a very different scene on that campus, that large encampment of pro-palestinian protesters has now been taken down. and you can see people have been arrested that we have seen at least a couple of dozen people arrested throughout it's morning. i do want to get to

another journalist who is on campus right now, john peltz. you were there overnight as all of this was happening. can you describe? i've what you saw and we know we've seen so many of these protests across the nation, your people standing out there are in these encampments. and we have seen some some some violent arrests in places like emory and ut austin. what is the scene there? because this seems like a very common methodical move by police the scene was it was a very peaceful and canada at some point, the police, i think around the apm issues, a dispersal order and that's when the protests have started organizing around these barricades and sort of reinforcing the defenses around this tire encampment it was it wasn't until about 1:00 a.m. that the police really started encroaching on the cabinet

itself okay. so around 1:00 a.m. you started seeing movement by the police. it is now 6:00 a.m. your time there on the west coast and the encampment is now completely dismantled. >> and you give me some sense of the protesters that are still there because we've noticed that the police line has moved and i'm just looking down to try to see what is on our air but the police line has moved to a different area. >> can you give us some sense of what is happening beyond that encampment that has now been taken down yes, some there are some purposes your cell here by the by the entrance that you can't men's. and they're sort of chanting and saying different, things up, prop up pro-palestinian sayings, towards the police officers they're still there. but there's a separate section of professors that have moved to intercept the bus carrying detainees. i believe okay.

>> so i was going to ask you, lastly, like, where are the people being arrested, being taken at this point? in time? >> can you give us some sense about i haven't heard any confirmation yet on which jail they're going to. it could be any number of jails. i'm still trying to figure that out. >> but i was actually asking just how they're getting transverse that there are buses that are on the streets surrounding campus that the students or the protesters, whether it is students or professors, or outside folks, they are being taken two buttons, correct. i just want to make sure yes they were detained and take it to buses and there's i've heard there's an area where protesters there's are maybe going to go towards the buses that is still on campus john

palps, a journalist there who's on-campus of the ucla campus. >> thank you to you and our camila bernal, who throughout the morning has been showing us these images of what's happening. but the headline here, johnny hey is that, that encampment that has been up on ucla's campus is now torn down. and everyone that was inside there from this morning has been detained by police. >> that's right. the encampment has been clear that from cnn's josh campbell reporting police now standing at the perimeter and you can see a gathering of protesters on the perimeter. we can probably put those pictures back up again. the protesters are the perimeter. there are some people out there, but the police are holding a line on the outside the encampment itself has now been cleared with us cnn. law enforcement analyst, former deputy director of the fbi, andrew mccabe. and this is a an operation that went over several hours, but law enforcement has now completed what they set out to do, which was to clear that

encampment. how do you see it well, john, i think what we saw over the last many hours is a real change in the response in los angeles. >> what i think could be characterized up through maybe tuesday evening until wednesday as not well-coordinated, not very well thought out. and effective response to the folks who had built that and cabinet really turned into a highly responsive coordinated across many law enforcement agencies operation that exhibit a couple of key things that i think are important according to point out. >> one they showed up in force massive numbers, which is what you need to confront a large crowd two, they they really lagged the time element here they were there, they made it clear what they were going to do, what their intention was, and then they waited until very very early in the morning. that has the effect of draining the crowd of some of those people who are there, you would have

to deal with them. >> but if they're not really committed to the event, if they're just there to see what's what's happening, they might leave it reduces the numbers for you then finally they began at a very methodical way by dismantling the perimeter around the encampment and going in slowly carefully, clearing every inch of that ground and anyone inside at that point is going to get arrested. so i think what we saw was ultimately a very effective if at times ugly operation that was absolutely necessary to clear this hazard from the campus. >> and what's the lesson then? because this is not the, not, the, not the only, obviously campus that is dealing with that has the pro-palestinian encampments on on-campus. and it continues throughout the country and they continue to continue to pop up and build what is the lesson that you think universities should be taking from kind of everything up to this point jack kate, so

i think one of the most obvious lessons is the lead up to this clearance was something that never really should have happened it's in to me that university and particularly ucla police campus police, would ever have allowed this crowd to build that sort of afford a vacation respecting students rights to protest and to exercise their first amendment rights is absolutely essential, but that doesn't include bringing truckloads of lumber and shipping pallets and essentially building a maybe impregnable fortress on campus grounds. >> so there has to be a level of engagement from the very beginning, making a clear delineation between what sort of conduct is permissible and what sort of conduct is not. and then imposing consequences when the protesters go beyond

beyond that boundary so that if i was talking to university presidents today, that's the first thing i'd be advising them on. >> all right. and the cape great to see you this morning. thank you very much for being with us. donald trump is headed back to court this morning. this after he gave an interview where he seemed to open the door to the idea of insurrection 2.0. he was asked if he would accept the results of the 2024 election. he says if it's honest, i'll gladly accept them. if not he says you have to fight for the right of the country what will the impact of statements like that be? from the candidate? the who obviously with everything that happened on january 6 or live coverage continues, but i couldn't allergies with allegro. they won't stop me nothing beats allegro. >> it's the fastest non drowsy

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you see only up doc i told you here's a dummy donald trump has just arrived in court in new york for another day before the judge and the jury first up, he's facing another hearing on allegations that he violence slated the judge's gag order, again, in his criminal hush money trial, he was fined this week for violating the order nine times, which came with an at that time it came with a warning that if he pushed it further, the judge said he could face jail time. now, on social media this morning, and at his campaign event in michigan yesterday, donald trump railed against the gag order itself and also attacked the judge, but seemingly very careful to not cross the line and rack up another gag order violation, seen as brynn gingras is outside the court. >> she's back with us. brynn. what's expected with this now, second gag order hearing yeah, that's right. >> so kate, this gag order

hearing is going to start up at 9:30, and then the jury will come in for this trial to continue at 10:00 a.m. we actually just heard the former president speak a little bit before heading into the courtroom at this very moment. and like you just mentioned, being very careful with his words as his gag hearing is going to kick off. today's day, but listen as you said, the judge that find him already $9,000 for nine previous violations that the prosecution had alleged. i'm asked for $1,000 per violation is the highest that the judge can actually penalize trump. and even in his order, he said he doesn't believe that's going to deter him at all because it's such a low fine for someone like donald trump. and that is why he said if you keep doing it, the court's not going to tolerate it. we're going to he threatened jail time, so it's going to we interesting to see how the judge hears these four new violations. now of course, this came to the judge after a rather before the judge had put out this order just a couple of days ago, but we'll see if the judge makes any remarks.

remember this last time he took a few two days before he issued his ruling in regards to that other gag order so we'll have to see what happens, but let's listen to some of the violation or one of them at least if the violations that the prosecution here is alleging that we're trump violated the payment to a lawyer, a legal expense in the they didn't call it construction. they didn't say you're building a building falls into a lawyer because as you know cone is a lawyer representing a lot of people over the years. now i'm not the only one and wasn't very good in a lot of ways in terms of misrepresentation, but he represented a lot of paper. in puts in an invoice or whatever a bill and they paid, they call it a legal expense. >> i got indicted for that. >> and what are they going to look at all the lives that

gone? >> in the last drought? he that line and the last trial so he got caught lying pure lime. >> and what are they going to look at that all right. >> so for violations in total which will be brought up in court, all of them are examples just like you heard where trump is actually speaking to the media versus truth, social posts, like we saw last time after that gag order hearing happens, we're going to have keith davidson back on the stand. guys, remember he is the one who negotiated the payments, hush money payments for the two women who won pledged affairs with donald trump-stormy daniels and karen mcdougal guys brynn. >> thank you so much. we'll be following all this very special coverage will be picking up soon let us take a quick look at the markets right now. market futures are up in the green. this is after the federal reserve lifts interest rates unchanged for a sixth straight meeting, and what investors liked was that fed chair jerome powell will express, i guess a little bit

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use a dummy all right these are live pictures from inside and outside that a york city courthouse the criminal trial of donald trump resumes shortly. >> the first order of business today is a new hearing on whether donald trump is in contempt of court for violating the gag order of few other accounts that they will review today with us. now, is sarah chris off former prosecutor with the southern district of new york, and jennifer rodgers, cnn legal analyst, and former federal prosecutor and ginger. so people understand the timeline here. the judge dropped the hammer on donald trump, find him $9,000 for being in contempt for violating the gag order the other day and threatened the possibility bility of jail time if he did it again, these alleged violations actually were before the judge issued that ruling. so unlikely that they would result in jail time here. but what are you looking for today?

>> from the gag order hearing? >> from the gag order? yeah. not much. i mean, he'll find whether it's today or later, there were violations. he'll probably issue another thousand fine, but you're right. these instances happened before he issued his ruling last time. so there's no way he's going to say all right but time's up, time for you to go to jail now and sarah donald trump used his day off from court to campaign and wisconsin and michigan. >> and during it, he took shots at the judge overseeing the case. let me play this for you. >> i have come here today from new york city where i'm being forced to sit for days on end in a kangaroo courtroom with a corrupt and can flicked. did judge enduring a biden signed show trial at the hands of a marxist district attorney source back, who's taking butters from the biden administration despite the necessary fact check which we've done before that there's no evidence that joe biden has anything to do with a

locally elected district attorney in a and in this district attorney's choice to prosecute donald trump beside that fact check what can also hear there is that donald trump was careful to not at least it appears to not violate the gag order from the campaign stage. >> but you hear that sara and i don't know does this have an impact in core you know, if you're trump's legal team, you are listening to all of these statements and you are on edge, right? >> you are worried he is going to say something that is gonna be a problem for him in court. that's gonna be used directly against him that the judge is going to it's fine. problematic. so put aside the gag order or maybe statements here for food that could implicate him and the underlying crimes. but he's crying to be careful now, if our president is spreading a little bit more lightly given all these violations and

sticking with his talking points about the judge general a. craftiness of the case and avoiding commenting on a particular witnesses to the case itself, gen. michael cohen, we all believe will be the key witness here. when do you put him on the stand if you're the prosecution and why i think about three-quarters of the way through, you don't want him to be last because it's gonna be explosive the cross is going to be very aggressive, but you also want to take this time which they did very effectively with david pecker and they're doing now with keith davidson to preemptively corroborate him so that by the time michael cohen gets on the stand, and the jury says, well, yeah, we already heard about that meeting. we already heard about that text message and those interactions from someone else. i also think they're doing a great job with davidson of kind of lightening it and putting it on the record for the jury that michael cohen was a jerk, aggressive so combative. davidson is calling him those things, right. so that when that all happens during cross and even perhaps during direct, the jury says, all right, he's a jerk, but that doesn't mean here we

don't believe him. >> sir. that is an interesting fact because it's like the central witness in the key and all this is every single person that's come up. sarah is basically they didn't didn't like michael cohen and it's like you don't really get a witness that's more disliked before the person's really come on. come on the stand and, you know that the jury greene is taking note of this, i find i like jens take and their strategy in this. what do you think sort of beyond being disliked, he has a lot of baggage michael cohen has been untruthful before that has been proven. >> and so the da's office has to counter that here's why they're raising this very careful foundation of these other witnesses for stronger for them, who will or as jennifer said, corroborating michael cohen even before he testifies. >> all right. sir. acrysof, jennifer rodgers, are thanks to both of you. this has been cnn news central cnn's coverage of

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