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foreign ministers israel zippy livne, and kid, one of the palestinian authority and xi jinping traveled to europe for the first time in five years to meet with the leaders of get this france serbia, and hungary can china's drive a wedge between europe and america there are less since six months to go until election day in america. >> the historian robert kagan says, this could be the country's last free and fair election hyperbole, or fact-based fear i'll ask him but first here's my take. when president biden made clear he was going to run for reelection, i had a sense of what his election strategy was and thought it was an intelligent path to victory after the chaos of covid and trump. joe biden would stand for normalcy and a rising tide

of good economic news donald trump would divide republicans with significant chunks of the party, wishing that someone like nikki haley, ron desantis, would be their nominee? meanwhile, trump would unite and motivate democrats, allowing president biden the focus on the votes of independence and swing states who threw the electoral college to trump in 2016 and to biden in 2020 i have to admit none of this is playing out as i thought it would. trump is now leading in almost all the swing states but behind those numbers lie even more troubling details as someone worried about the prospects of a second trump term, i think is best to be honest about reality i understand that polls are not always accurate. but in general, they have tended to underestimate donald trump's support, not overestimate it i doubt that there are many shy biden voters in the country. the economy has been in a robust recovery for more than

two years now with unemployment hitting a 54 year low in 2023 and increasing only slightly since then. but biden is getting little credit for it the shift here is stark on the question of who voters trust more to deal with the economy. trump has a 22 point lead over biden according to an nbc poll from january. this marks a 15 point bump for trump compared to the same poll in 2020 perhaps this is because inflation is a far more pervasive problem than unemployment affecting all americans every day perhaps it's because people's views on the economy now are largely derived from their broader attitudes towards the candidates but whatever the reasons it's a stunning reversal in the midst of a relentless stream of good economic news on cultural issues. biden and democrats benefit from the opposition to the republican party's position on abortion but on the other great cultural issue

immigration biden is 35 points behind trump as to who would handle it better. and i do wonder whether abortion will be as large an issue in a presidential race, given that reversing roe v wade threw the issue to state governments and legislatures and not the federal government perhaps the most worrying new trend for democrats is that far from being the more unified party they are now bitterly divided over the war in gaza bernie sanders has said the eruption of pro-palestinian protests could be biden's vietnam and even invoked the specter of lyndon johnson choosing not to run for reelection in 1968 because of the opposition to that war. the analogy is farfetched. america then was itself sending hundreds of thousands of troops to vietnam with more being recruited from college campuses every week but there's no denying that the party seems more openly divided than it has been in decades.

only 33% of americans said they approved of biden's handling of the israel-hamas war, which is now opposed both by people who think he is too soft and people who think he is too hard on israel meanwhile republicans seem to be uniting behind trump whatever opposition he faced in the primaries has largely melted away. and the trials against him keep him in the spotlight, infuriate his base who sees him as a martyr? and even may serve to make him the object of some sympathy among people in general who believed that his prosecutors are politically motivated this happens to be true in my opinion. i doubt the new york indictment would have been brought against a defendant whose name was not donald trump a majority of americans are skeptical that trump will be able to get a fair trial according to a cnn poll. and i haven't even mentioned robert f. kennedy jr. and cornell west and jill stein all of whom would probably take votes away

from biden things could change polls do suggest that were trump to be convicted of a felony. it could shift votes in biden's favor. the administration may be able to pull off a ceasefire in gaza and then a broader political settlement that gives palestinians political rights and israel diplomatic relations with saudi arabia trump could always embroil himself in some kind of scandal but trendlines are not working in biden's favor. he needs to do something bold and dramatic to seize the initiative on asylum policy, for example and reverse these numbers the one that troubles me the most is on the question of who was the more competent joe biden lead donald trump by nine points in 2020. but trump now leads by 16 points in january 2024 that 25 point shift could be a reflection of people's sense that the president's age is affecting

his capacity to govern there's very little that joe biden can do now to change that perception go to cnn.com slash opinions to read my column this week let's get started the un said today that around 300,000 palestinians had been forced from the southern gazan city of rafah in the last week adding emphatically at a post on x, there is nowhere safe to go earlier this week, the israeli army sees the gazan side of the rafah crossing with egypt and president biden threatened to halt weapons aid to israel if they launched an all out attack on the city so what are the prospects for a ceasefire and how do israelis feel about the current state of the assault on hamas joining me now is zippy livne, who has served israel as

foreign minister and vice prime minister welcomes it. be let me ask you to begin with the biden team says, israel does not need to do a major ground and incursion into rafah to secure its goals of destroying hamas bibi netanyahu and his cabinet disagree. who do you think is right? >> well, i'm not sitting now in the cabinet and i don't want to be know, balcony adviser to the israeli government, but it looks like there was not only majority, but all of the ministers decide that it is necessary but i believe that this is a matter of tactic, as long as we all agree about the goals of the war meaning eradication of hamas toppled the regime of hamas. and release of the hostages. so i do hope that these tactical questions will be solved between these and president

biden and the most important thing that is missing right now is not the question of what the israeli forces we do directly in rafah outside of other cities in gaza. but the real question is okay. and then what what's the end game? who's going to be placed hamas in gaza because top of the resume is important, but you cannot just topple the regime without replacing it this is a question which is in dispute between these valley government, between netanyahu and biden and i do believe that this is the master key for different tissues that are now on the table let me ask you how you reacted when you saw some of the members of the israeli cabinet really mach, president biden, one of them tweeted a

line that was hamas loves biden after the biden administration threatened to pause aid. >> this is an administration joe biden's that has provided israel with massive amounts of support. the president came directly into the war zone the united states has provided tens of billions of dollars worth of military aid to who to israel in this and the israeli government is one given this one disagreement has pushed back or some members of the cabinet of pushback against biden very hard yeah i completely agree that the support that president biden showed since october 7 is impressive. >> it's not just showing empathy to the victims of these hurdles, but really so create a deterrence that prevented the total duration into original vo, the supply of weapon and

listening to some of the israeli ministers, it's completely unacceptable. now, it's not a secret that time, a long time upon and prime minister netanyahu and they completely disagree and detest some of the ideology that this minister represents. so they are a damaged, not only to these valley us relationship, but it's the damage to israel itself. from different aspects. and this is only one of you mentioned that the key issue is what replaces hamas. >> what do you think should replace hamas? >> we'll talk about the palestinian authority. people talk about some coalition of arab states like saudi arabia and egypt but who would provide security that seems to me the key there because saudi arabia is not going to want to have its troops be firing on palestinian insurgence well,

it's clear that and i'm not also thinking about just drawing the keys to the other side of the fence, hoping that some of that is not a terrorist organization will catch the key and everything will be fine in a way, we have the experience of the disengagement from gaza where we left meant a load the settlement, pulled out our forces and hamas took and therefore doesn't need to take it in terms of stages. >> now, if we publish an add on to moles paper, wanted the regime for gas. i don't see many that will apply for the job. and therefore, since there are 2 million palestinians, there doesn't need 40 palestinian new regime. and the only not perfect, but that can start doing it is to palestinian authority after reforms that the united states is working with them but yet, this is not enough and there is

a game changer and this is the bigger plan because doesn't need of course, for assists for release of the hostages with a ceasefire during this time hopefully, we can start working with the legitimate palestinians authority, which is not hamas. and they are cooperating with these well on israel's security in the west bank. so this can be also a basis and giving legitimacy to israel to continue in acting against the whole within gaza until we have a regime that can act against, against but the saudis are really a game changer because this can create not only a new reality in gaza but a new security structure in the region in the region and my criticism on the israeli government, right now is that

they are not willing to deal with what we call since they want the day after and the day after, teres here, and now and they're not willing to do so because some of these ministers are not just smoking the president or the united states, but also are not willing to deal with this because for them the palestinian authority is part of the problem. >> and netanya succeeded in portraying the palestinian authority as nth hamas, as the same so it's, it's really a very complicated jigsaw and there's a need for the us to orchestrate all the different parts of it. >> but there's a neat also for israel to start talking about the who's going to replace hamas is other shame because otherwise, all the other option are worst, israel doesn't want to we occupy gaza may be some of the myths. that do, but

it's against our interests. hamas cannot stay and we all agree, not only in israel, but also with the us that doesn't need to eradicate the regime and i those a need for cooperation with egypt on philadelphia corridor, the border between gaza strip and egypt. but there's a need to make this decision because otherwise, leaving a curls will bring hamas back. and this is what we see in some parts of gaza strip where the israeli forces already acted against hamas they pulled out and now hamas's back. and this is something that we really cannot afford and we need a seville civilian regime that will take care of the civilians from humanitarian perspective very complicated, but i believe that it's doable and this can bring the change and turn this awful situation into maybe, hopefully

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at the un. >> he is also the nephew of the late yasser arafat nasr. welcome let me ask you whether from your perspective, the biden administration's recent public distancing itself from israel on the issue of rafah. >> and a full-scale ground operation. there is welcome news. do you think that it's been effective? how do you view what the biden administration is doing? >> right now well, to be frank with you, i think the administration is saying that i think they say that we don't like what we see happening in gaza. >> however, when it comes to action, it's different story. so do i like it? yes, i like it. do i think that this this was enough to change things and to change the course of event unfortunately not and unless we see is hideous change, unless we see some clear positions taken, some actions taken, i think we'll stay in the same

situation what do you think is going on in gaza right now in terms of is hamas defeated, is, is how would you do that's been the israeli joe ago paul, do you think it's being achieved no, it was not achieved and it's not going to be achieved. and that emphasizes that fact that what's mr. netanyahu is doing. now refer has catastrophic. he is taking the situation to a new level, a new catastrophic level criminal level well, i would say and without without any specific results because he remembered he said the same thing before, can yunus? he said the same thing before. even the city of gaza before attacking the shifa hospital. and the result was the same. so this is a situation that cannot be solved by military means. only this is duration that require there's also some political consideration and some political understanding of the

situation that then will take us all to ending this catastrophe and move forward not only to solve the situation gaza, but to hopefully solve the overall political situation as well. one has to assume that the population in gaza is more radicalized now i mean, given the the trauma of the last few months if you were to hold it at an election in gaza tomorrow, am i wrong? and thinking hamas would probably do better than it would have done before i wouldn't agree with you for eid on on this one because i think one of the results of the let's trophic situation now is the fact that the population feels hopeless and the field that the party who brought them here in this situation was at least part hamas irrespective of the atrocities of the israeli, of the israeli sayyed, i don't think so. >> nevertheless, let me say

also that unfortunately elections tomorrow is in possibility because of the fact, not the least, of the existence or the presence of about 2 million displaced palestinians. you cannot say you're gonna tell a displaced person, come and vote. you have to take care of his needs or her needs first and and provide them my the necessary tools to survive and then move forward and go for political solutions and change internally get more classy, including elections. >> all right, i'll stay with us when we come back. i will ask us, are good will what the day after looks like and what what it should look like in his view cnn spotlights 12th, tie in years changing the world intimate look at how these champions make the world a better place. >> champions for che, all this week on cnn, sponsored by

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catastrophe the coordinates to end. this blood, letting the agony of the population the crazy ideas such as collective deportation and change king of the territory of gaza and things like that needs to stop. and then we need to ensure that there is a israeli withdrawal. i would draw without return and without any attempt to impose conditions on the palestinian people that the people don't, don't accept, such as the siege for himself. then of course we need to reach a solution on an exchange of hostages and prisoners in a way that would end this, this, this drama in the right way. after that here, i agree. again with you what you said at the beginning, that we need to have a drastic and seriously reform we palestinian authority, not the kind of gimmick that we saw with the current government

when mr. abbas brought that government. i mean, there's this did not change anything and cannot change anything. we need to change the system. in general, we need to change the ability of mr. abbas to govern at will and to do whatever he wants through maybe unempowered for the government that can rebuild gaza, which takes us to another thing that needs to happen. we need to have an effective government free from corruption and capable of rebuilding gaza and prepare the situation. this part of the country, in addition to the west bank, prepare it for elections after a while when the situation pyramid, this kind, because after all, election is the only possible solution, real and drastic solution for all the ills of the palestinian situation. and finally, we need to have a conference it's off donors that would provide for the financial assistance necessary

to rebuild gaza before that, i think we need also to have some kind of an arab security presence that would provide for a temporary situation whereby it can take over from the israelis and hand over to the palestinian government. then you palestinian government, i think this is something that the arabs would be willing to consider. f number one there is a israeli commitment for full israeli withdrawal from gaza. and number two, if there is an israeli commitment for a political solution that provides four the two states, israel and palestine with the mutual recognition between the two of them by a certain date that is agreed upon so i don't have a lot of time, but i have to ask you, when you look at the mood in israel today, it seems that they are intent on staying in gaza to maintain some security presence have already created buffer zones, the creating corridors to make

it hard to move from north to south gaza, when you ask people in israel about a two-state solution, it seems to be at its lowest, the lowest levels of support for it in decades kids how would that do you anticipate this changing? >> it seems difficult well, it is difficult, but it will, it will change once i read an article for an israeli, israeli author who said that there will be a political solution out of magnanimous attitude and enthusiasts and but out of desperation and the failure of both sides, to annihilate the other side. let's on that somewhat hopeful note i will leave nasa located, right. thank you so much pleasure to have you on next on gps, xi jinping made a rare trip to europe this week. what came out of that visit? and what did it have to do with china's competition with america? when

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those goals. and susan shirk, susan was a senior state department official handling east asia, and she's currently a research professor and the founding chair of the 20 for century china center at uc san diego susan, welcome. so just give us at the broadest level, what do you think xi jinping is trying to do in going to europe he's trying to win europe back to china after a long period in which people in europe are very critical of china's position, particularly on russia's invasion of ukraine, as well as on trade and human rights issues. >> so he's trying to show that even though relations with the united states might be poor he can, he's a good friend and the europeans are good friends of china. >> i mean, other words, he's trying to get people in the

chinese communist party and lead to understand that his foreign policy is it can work yeah, i suppose the most positive way of looking at it is that perhaps there is an adjustment in chinese policy to moderate it away from this more aggressive wolf warrior diplomacy but actually what he said and did in europe suggests that there isn't any significant adjustment and chinese policy going on he's just it's trying to show that his policies have not which are i would call overreaching have not failed. >> that there sufficiently successful that the french and the serbians and the hungarians, anyway, are willing to welcome him in a positive

and friendly manner and do you think it's succeeded? >> i didn't see any big shifts in europe on, particularly on policy too. for russia, ukraine. >> i agree with you. there really the tangible results of his meetings. look pretty minimal or invisible and right now, she is under a lot of pressure especially from the united states, because it appears that his support of putin has crossed a red line in that, although he's not giving russia any military equipment per say, he is supporting the military industrial complex. and russia and may be facilitating what we'll later be a russian offensive. which

is something that really is a core interest of the europeans and the united states that russia does not win the war in ukraine. i think that perhaps xi jinping really doesn't understand that. he doesn't understand how important this issue is to the west. >> susan, in your book overreach and which i think the subtitle is how china derailed. it's peaceful rise you outline, it seems to be very persuasively that xi jinping's foreign policy has been a break with chinese foreign policy. and has been unsuccessful. it's caused all this antagonism in japan and india and australia and in europe, have you seen any sense, of course correction? you know, when you go to china, do people talk about how maybe this wasn't the right path? >> well, people certainly

people in the elite are critical of xi jinping's foreign policy along with his domestic policies and since the lock down the covid lockdown and the demonstrations that led to its sudden reversal. there is a surprising amount of dissatisfaction in china at the elite level and at the, at least the middle class us mass level and i don't really know where all of that is going to lead, but i know that xi jinping must be very worried about it. i mean, look how rarely he has traveled abroad recently. he's been very preoccupied with china's domestic problems, especially its economic problems, but also he's there having restored a more dictatorial form of

communism that resembles mao. and he's got to know hello, i'm sure he knows that many of the other members of the elite don't agree with his policies particularly in his kind of bro man's with putin. the russia position of xi jinping is among the most unpopular of his overreaching especially among the elite, which i think is a very important contexts for this trip to europe. >> susan. sure. thank you next, our gps with the less than six months until election day, people are wondering whether trump and his son borders could once again reject the democratic process my next guest says this kind of american anti liberalism as deep historical roots, and i'll explain them when we come back he was trump's former lawyer

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guest says, the movement has deep historical precedents and is a rebellion against nothing less than the america envisioned by the founding fathers that is why robert kagan, titled his book rebellion how anti liberalism is tearing america apart. again kagan is a senior fellow at the brookings institution bob, let's let's do this historically because i think it's important people understand your argument that everyone thinks of america and the founding of america is the, as the culmination of an enlightenment liberal project, liberal, meaning, individual liberty, not big government spending but you save from the beginning, there was also an anti liberalism that was part of the family sure and it was a combination of a certain way of thinking, but it also was something brand new. >> and i think it's important to remember what was entirely new about the american system. you take it for granted, which is the the principle of universal individual rights.

before that, the colonists enjoyed their rights as englishman. but the english did not base their constitution on the idea of universal natural rights. so that was a huge leap. so does establish a system where you're supposed to care about others freedom as much as your own is a very difficult thing in some ways it's contrary to human nature. and so from the beginning, there has always been resistance to this idea and certainly in the united states, most obviously in prominently because there was still slavery. so even leaders of the south oppose the declaration of independence, said it was unnatural. and i think people thought maybe that died with civil war or died with brown versus board of education in 1954. but i think what we've seen is that this anti-liberal strain, this resistance to the idea of universal rights goes throughout our history and we're seeing it's still today. >> there was an article recently that pointed out, looked at the rhetoric of trump this time around pointed out, it's much more extreme, even

than the rhetoric in 2016. it talks about revenge, retribution. i will destroy the old elites. >> do you worry about that or is that just from winging it? you never know what trump means and what he doesn't mean. the one thing i feel confident of is that i'm sure this experience of being put on trial would be a searing experience for anyone and for someone who foresees the possibility that he could be the most powerful man in the world the thought of vengeance is clearly forefront in his mind. so i think the answer is yes, he will he will seek vengeance. but the thing to understand that as i think most people do about trump, is the problem is not that he has a careful plan for becoming a dictator. i don't think he has any such plan. >> he will be addicted taylor by virtue of the fact that he wants what he wants when he wants it, and how he wants to get it. >> and if you listen to him talk about his second term plans, a lot of it involves

militarizing various elements of sayyed a using the military on immigration, using homeland security as a force and who's going to stand in? his way went when he wants to do something like that. >> what do you say to people who say, look, this is this is the usual liberal hand-wringing and catastrophizing he was elected. he ruled for four years so what if he gets elected again when people talk about his rule for four years and they add this economic policy and that they leave out the very end and at the very end he tried to rule as a dictator. i mean, let's just think this through. if mike pence had not shown the backbone that he did at that moment, trump might conceivably the have stolen election that had gone against him. and at that point, he would be ruling as a dictator, not as a democratically elected president. he was completely willing to do that, if not eager to do that, i would ask voters in america, what more do

you need to know about a presidential candidate? we don't know well, you what, biden's it's gonna be like in a second term, but we know what the parameters of what biden are going to be like in a second term, trump has proven that for him there are no parameters. he has said he's willing to go against the constitution. and so we don't know for sure what he's actually going to do. but if we're making a judgment about presidential candidates, can we not pick the guy? who's already tried to become a dictator and says he would do it again it leaves you. >> i have to say the book it is not a hopeful look there is there is a slight hopeful bit at the end of it in the sense that i believe if we can get past this year's crisis in many ways, this is the last gasp of a shrinking white nationalist minority, a shrinking white christian nationalist minority. >> this is their last chance. trump is their last chance because the country is moving on. it's becoming more and

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