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>> welcome to the whole story. i'm anderson cooper. there's a heated battle across the country right now over transgender girls and women. and if states have the right to bar them from sports unless they compete with boys and men. the laws on this differ from state to state. and at the elite levels, each sport makes its own rules and who can participate over the next hour, we'll take you behind this emotional and politicized issue and how the controversies affecting the lives of athletes around the country around fifth grade, i think is when i started to notice i didn't exactly fit who everyone

thought i was i always felt trapped trying to become her the first time i felt that i truly belonged was plane on the girl's softball team. all right. i'm ready. one going out the middle nice job, right i was horrified a few months later when i found out that that might be taken away why? i'm get it job number and ohio bill that would ban transgender athletes from girls and women's sports is moving through the state house the debate about trans athletes has exploded in the political arena. this legislation takes a supportive environment away from kids who need it i mean, the idea that we have biological boys playing and girls sports. >> it is the women's issue of our time well, i am sympathetic to trans teams. i'm more concerned about girls female victory matters, and fair

competition matters. >> remember, don't go 20 states have already passed, some form of ban on trans student athletes. i always arkansas, mississippi, alabama kentucky, kansas lawmakers vote to ban transgender athletes should transgender women be allowed to compete in women's sports ohio's process as of right now, is that you either have to have been on hormone replacement therapy for a year and/or you have to have a doctor's note saying that you qualify that can mean that they

have to send in your bone density, your weight on a charge in comparison to cis girls of the same age, or height, and comparison it's anxiety inducing because every time i never know if i'm gonna be approved or not i will never forget the de that i got the email that she had been approved to play my mom came into my room and she was crying and i asked her what was wrong and she said that i was approved to play. >> she just looks at me with tears in her eyes and i'm crying and she's crying. and were hugging each other. i said the state agrees that i'm a girl i think i kind of almost just blacked out because it was so amazing for me, it's allowed me to make a lot of friends it's allowed me to

have a place where i can feel safe and be myself and it's not questioned even if you're getting things turned her head when ohio's trans athlete ban was first introduced, i was the only trans high school athlete female athlete in ohio. >> she looked us in the eye and said, mom, dad i'm it if i don't speak out, who will hello. >> i am ember. i am a trans athlete i am a senior. i used to perform in theater and i i loved it one of my voice started to change. i stopped.

>> i actually decided to learn asl because i didn't want to speak at all i hated my voice so much. >> thank you very much i also had wanted to play in sports, specifically softball and it was incredible. i was treated just like everyone else. but i found out that the state was actually trying to take away my ability to play on a girl's team these are high school athletes. this is not about winning for me. it's about being on a team. >> it's about being able to relax not focus on other political policies, not focused on the world for just a few hours every person deserves

that right. >> thank you the water has just been such like a safe place for me. >> just hearing the sounds of the water. that's my time with god there's no one else just like being able to converse with myself. it just feels correct last season was just really difficult for many reasons because i was on the men's team but i started to live socially as meghan and then i started hormones and the summer of 2022, this is the dana life of a transpose are

and today is meat de, i just wanted to share a little snippet of my life and that they go to class, go to lab. but i also go to the pool twice a day and some hard to get loose and get ready for me. i went to the locker room to go on my pt tape on my boobs because i still can't wear a top sentence on the men's team. so we've got to cover the girls wearing a men suit, having a tape my breast, even just competing against men it says fueled separating himself and it starts to hurt more because it feels like a part of you is dying and wilting away. it says feels looking to finish drawing. >> i believed i needed to sacrifice being trans in order to swim. i was like, i just i have to but like i just couldn't anymore i want to with hymns and my goal is to compete on the women's team. their regulations for trans athlete is having a very low

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break your by 100th of a second. at the start of the season. i typed up on my computer 50 to 82 i wrote down my splits. how many kicks i was going to take off each wall and so when i actually touched the wall and did it in a 52, 82 i was shocked lotto suffering and sacrifice. but on the flip side, there was accomplishment and then recently, like everyone in the world, i

started hearing news about lia thomas competing the a thomas formerly competed as a member of the university of pens men's swimming team completing 34 months of hormone replacement therapy far beyond the 12 month acie requirement to compete on the women's team watching lia thomas compete in the 500 freestyle was really devastating because i'm sorry swim records sat at the ivy league championship by the university of pennsylvania's lia thomas everybody knows this is not right and it's unfair. >> and i felt like i was witnessing women tripling up

did call us grigor rule no, we had thomas didn't break a rule i don't care what surgeries they have. i don't care what they inject into their bloodstream. they don't i don't belong in women's sports in swimming. >> you intimately experience the difference in biology you can feel the profound difference in even the wake of a male teammate. next you i quickly began to understand that we needed an organization that could advocate for a female protected category and sports i am headed to the vagus airport right now. we are throwing an inner the national women's sports summit for my

non-profit independent counsel on women's sports. we don't have to tell people were judging how you want to live your life. we are trying to educate sports it's policymakers on how to write policy i think time is of the essence, right now because policymakers and various sports are making decisions today yeah got it it's in the car in ohio. a lot of the anti-transgender legislation really started picking up dramatically. september of 2022 and it started really with the state school board the ohio state school board introduced a

resolution that was basically targeting all pt students. but in particular transgender students, to say things like students couldn't play on the sports teams of their gender identity you're taking a day off school to speak to the board of education what do you want them to hear? bottom line, this resolution? and puts high school learns in danger you are telling these schools that it is, okay? two discriminate against trans people i mean, it's it's infuriating, but it's nothing new. >> the fight over trans people being able to play sports represents for me, being human not been demonized it

represents been able to be ourselves and be able to do something that we love we are limiting testimony. >> to three minutes new transgender surgery is a new modern lobotomy we're just doing it all over again. female athletes we'll be cheated of honors that they've earned we do not want to make the national news because one of our girls gets raped in the restroom please remember gender transition is an experiment. >> there are some absolutes a boy, a boy, and a girl is a girl my daughter is now in college under her male name. if we don't affirmer because we believe in science and reality, we believe my daughter needs mental health care, not a chest binder or wrong sex hormones this proposed resolution includes false scientific assertions and attempts to require our district to discriminate against an endanger our lgbtq plus students these strategies of

silence, censorship, and invalidation don't result in less queer kids. they result in dead or damaged queer children, one in five transgender and non-binary youth attempted suicide. >> how many lives must be? destroyed before we allow people to be who they are do queer kids have a right to life amber zao welcome. and you have three minutes, please? >> i know why you were doing this. >> you are afraid of me i get it. >> the boys at my school are afraid of me to my freshman year of pe they chucked balls at my head as though i was a literal target. i was ridiculed called the b word and the f slur. luckily, i was given permission to change in the gender neutral bathroom but imagine what would have happened if i'm if i was made to change in the boys locker room just the fact that this resolution is being considered sends the message to to queer and trans kids. that liked me.

that we are subhuman i would like to point out the girls at her school, don't seem to be scared at all. she has been using the girls restroom and locker rooms for five years and playing on their sports teams for two years and they don't seem to care less. but you are scared and believe me, i'm the parent of a transgender child in rural ohio our family knows fear i have lived in fear. my husband and i since our child first came out as trans because we knew that society would not be kinder known, made them this way. and there was nothing. we could do to change them even if we wanted to it's just how they were born thank you hours of testimony is just wrapping up my respect to have a vote some time around 6:00 this body must take a stand on one of the

defining issues impacting education today, the biden administration that is threatening local control it's coercive approach to this issue and that's the issue of gender identity, which has profound ramifications for the rights of parents. >> and a biological girls and education and athletics any discussion about the only common thread i heard from people was these kids exist and there's been absolutely no discussion on what we can do for these kids and that bothers me probably more than anything else on this whole discussions and i didn't actually like to make a motion to refer this to executive committee. i second that motion it goes to give any it's almost certainly our hope was that being sent to the executive committee to study

that in committee wasn't supposed to meet again, that that meant the resolution was dead for that year yes yes no no yes? >> no no yes. >> no yes. yes? >> yes yes yes seven no no. yes? yes on a boat, of 12 to seven, the shai resolution will be referred to the executive consideration my. >> babies good job good. yeah.

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was trying to not guy have a lot of words and sometimes you think he's kind of stubborn and hard-headed, but he has these moments of super sweet personal compassionate moment. >> when i see these all textures like in some of the younger ones, i'm just a child. when you're below the age of five, you're just living life to the fullest, right. but like five on i think i start to see like my trap self if i could turn back the clock, i wish i wish i could've done some things differently i remember in my bible study, and said i need prayers my oldest came out as transgender and i just don't know what to do and since sit well with me, i feel like god may do you for you like in we're not supposed to change any parts of ourselves were made like that. that's just in my mind. what i've

always known and i probably said some hurtful things just because i'm scared. it's a fear. it's a i failed my kid. i didn't do enough. why didn't i see this? why didn't i do more for data? and i just it was a conversation that he and i couldn't have just a lot of wise a lot of questioning in not knowing i call it a dark place for me like i didn't want to wake up. >> i didn't want to face the world. >> because how is it is like, oh, my gosh, how many tell her friends how many town mai marine friends i lost my family. >> i lost a little boy that i accepted a little boy who wasn't macho boy and remember laying and pet a table. >> so you didn't those it can you have a kid right in front of you a choice may not be what you want it to be. >> you have a choice and i had to choose i choose i wish bring

everybody else family with this here to be in the middle. >> but it's a choice i appreciate that so much because i thought i'd lucille like i thought you would never come this far. >> you know, i don't want to feel like i have to justify who you are and why you're making it's done. you are megan and i love you we gotta, remind you, see your appointment. 11, 30 i i can't wait to see my license with my name on it having that legal name change like i don't like really seeing my birth

name a lot just because it reminds me of someone that was struggling like having illegally change was like, i don't have to feel like i'm hiding. >> i like i don't like opening my bank account because it has my dead name, things like that. i write to see for myself and everything yeah exciting there are you too? thank you it's so

exciting now. we just wait yeah. >> i think we're good to go home so. >> how hi. thank you so much for lost her. we only had about 75 people or so this year are anticipating a couple of hundred people. so we have psychologists, medical doctors professors, attorney and most importantly, female athletes themselves discussing this crucial topic thank you all for being here. please welcome harb, or original icon dotted davar on thank you kim, in

marcy we have a new challenge. now. males who identify as trans or insisting on playing and women's sports in 2015, the surgical requirement was thrown out by the international olympic committee, the ioc, and all the mail asieh would have to do is self-declared. as a woman and spent one year with testosterone levels lower two and maintained at or below ten nanomoles per liter female athletes, right to a fair and safe sport have been disregarded by the ioc. this mindset just has to change a lot of world leaders. >> the message that they're sending is that we as women don't matter our safety doesn't matter privacy. forget it. >> when you have males who have gone through male puberty, it takes away that fairness. we can't neglect fairness and safety and hopes to be

inclusive some of you have been called names and canceled in a variety of ways if you are a current athlete, you come here despite the trauma you endured when sports administrators tried to silence shoe. are we winning yet 22 states now restrict female sports to just females. >> at the elementary high school and college levels. >> we are working hard to persuade the administration and our members in congress to establish federal policy or laws to keep female sports, female in june, a gallup poll revealed that 69% of americans believe female sports should be female-only and i feel certain that ultimately we will win next sunday on the whole story, dr. sanjay gupta reports on

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to three-to-one, three-to-one today. how would really happened tonight, it nine on cnn i am not prepared for this yeah, we're fine. i know. >> so this is just senate committee hearing today. okay. >> yeah it's the athlete he ban bill that passed the house back in june will testify at

the committee hearing yes. so maybe they can see i don't know the kids who worse actually going to be affected by this yeah. i want to call this median in the senate primary and secondary education committee to order up next is amended, substituted house bill one and we we do have testimony here all right. being a trans athlete isn't easy especially when you have to try and prove that you deserve something as simple as the basic right to try out for a sport plane on a boy's team would be ally i would have to deny my truth to make other people feel comfortable. this is dehumanizing an unjust, this is nothing more than a way for politicians to score a few political points on the backs of a handful of students who have been deemed it's findable my daughter is not expendable trans kids are not expendable.

>> they are kids trying to find their way in a world that tears them down every single day children's hospitals are targets of bomb threats for providing gender affirming care groups, including the proud boys, some of them with guns showed up just a few miles away to protest an event sponsored by his school, held at a church because it involved members in drag this discriminatory bill denies an already vulnerable population of students. the physiological emotional, and social benefits participating in team sports. >> and frankly, i just i can't imagine how exhausted they must be all right. >> thank you for your testimony with that. that will conclude the third hearing on amended substitute house bill 1501 so one thing i did for ember, this year is i took all of their

ornaments that people gave us when she was a baby and without her knowing i managed to get the old names off and put the new name for the last five years, she wouldn't allow any of her ornaments for her childhood to go on the tree and then she sought was like she actually went on a tree it was cool to the republic. we have 26 minutes before session order brian. >> thank you, president builds i've been exhausted all day. >> just i know i know i'm so sorry. >> you had to go to school think about things without wanting to throw up so i'm just not thinking they all really want today to be their last day so they can all go home for the holidays, but

they're going to just shove it. so there will probably just shove it through and then it'll go to the governor, reverting to hospital 1501 the correct without a jackpot is getting ready for bad and they just started debate on the athlete band. you want to watch. and she's like, no i can't i need to step away, which you recognize the center, antonio. >> thank you, mr. president. i don't know if our state senators got up to speak and read embers entire testimony to the false floor some people that have never met me suggested i became trans to do better in sports now, why would i become trans in order to have every fight every day just to be perceived as who i am. i kids the senate floor something that is another moment i will always remember and the thing is, is it's one i wish i didn't have to have.

>> she does not identify nor see herself as a boy who wants to play girls sports and then they went on and on and i think that would also put girls at a disadvantage. >> i think that's what this is about. >> your voting for this. you're voting for hates. >> do we want our girls playing against boys? >> question is hsiao the senate amendments be a great to the house will prepare and proceed to vote they didn't vote until late in the morning, about 2:00 a.m. or something 46 affirmative votes, 41 negative votes. >> the bill has not received the required constitution majority and has not passed an entitled all right. >> ultimately, the safe when i'm sports act it ended up not being passed we got lucky is really. >> how it felt i haven't.

>> endocrinology appointment with dr. kaplan, which i'm so excited about i'm coming up on a year and being on hormone treatment it's good to check your heart and lungs. okay i'm one of the few endocrinologist in this area who is treating transgender patients. all right here, deep breath i have never cheated transgender athletes before. megan i still like it's on the rise, like the whole movement against transgender care. any pain over here, you're okay i'm okay. nothing. right okay. >> you're ready. let's go over your results and everything. first of all, how are you been

feeling? how is everything? >> i mean, i did experience of injury also mean i definitely think like just because my body was changing so much that it made me a little bit more prone. so like having like it's look at tore muscle is your enduring, aren't any different like cardiovascular. >> i have noticed it's a bit different. i can't necessarily do what i used to do. >> right? there's some change. yeah. that was looking to see if there's any changes like anemia or using. but your levels are fine. and this is where the best part is for you, for your goal in terms of the testosterone it's aides less than ten, which was your goal i'm just so happy. >> got to that level, but i think it's a little too late because they would have to get it in like february to be on the women's team. the nc delays requirements on their website. i remember looking at three different types of regulations. there always changing and difficult to understand that's nanogram per deciliter. so i always assume

those animals okay i'm not sure how you convert the nanogram per deciliter, two nanomole per liter. >> but she was kind of confused and i was confused as well. >> and then in that we realized i've already been there you're okay. >> you're qualify urine eight here. >> that's actually really exciting. >> yes i was just see double-checking to see the and cwa guidelines for my testosterone levels to switch teams and turns out that changed i scott my hormone results back. we can get my application sent to the nc doublet to get reviewed so that i can hopefully for my first me at the season i start on the weapons here the most exciting

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i was able to win all of my success would be discredited because i was trying after transferring from the men's team over to the women's megan cortes fields smashed ramaphosa colleges, hundred yard butterfly record, likely a thomas gets into the women's category norian starts blowing records away and woman who came second, i to just accept it something has definitely become a battleground for this disagreement. >> trans, people have existed since the beginning of time, but we win and it becomes an issue i am beyond happy that i'm able to close up my swimming career as myself. i really couldn't have thought this for myself because it reminds me of a kid who struggled to be themselves i'm not that good anymore hey

how's it going? >> really good news last week with uci cycling. it's another international body that has recognized that fair competition is necessary for the female athlete i'll take every sport that we can get i have young daughter who's just starting tennis and swimming. and so i think we want to see a future where women and girls can see themselves as a flooded champions. like i had i don't want the same for my daughter and want more? we have to kind of tie everything in a bow legally and legislatively as well. so i mean, you know, it's a huge battle. i think lawmakers are taking. it's more seriously. we're just

trying to make that timeframe as short as possible. >> so that future i think. >> thanks, mary ow one center okay. this immersive mirza going to pitch you've got no. okay i love to play plea in

control of the team but like no one's looking at you everyone's looking at the picture it pop up there ever i can play brain games a little bit with the runners just to try and trick them and get them out. >> and that's really fine. >> i see the joy on her face when she gets to play for the last five years there have been very few moments when she's just been a able to be a kid it's so rare let's go let's go without a bad, we've got to back. >> here we go. are you guys the fact that she can just fail? and mess up and get back up there and try again that is one

of those valuable things about sports one of her favorite moments and with her team this year was a game that they lost actually they were down by a lot and they rallied well you can see they just challenged as a team everyone was focused and everyone was doing what they needed to do good job amber. >> and in bursae, that's been my favorite game can we do a tape picture real quick in the fall, i'm leaving ohio for college i am actually forgoing

a scholarship to any ohio school because it's not safe for me to continue to stay in ohio i want to play division three softball and i don't feel like i belong and i'm very ready to get out and escape this debate is not expected to die down anytime soon so far at least 24 states have banned transgender people from competing on teams or th