nothing to get too, are you actually have the company and the product and the idea. and you know, and that you wrote about are in your book, life as we know, it can be right but when you look at what she's doing right now, she says that the definition of insanity is doing something you know, won't work again and again, right? part of the reason people do that is because it's cheap on the upfront exactly. is this more expensive to build? >> well, actually wrote this book because as a guide to my boy, like where to live, what kind of house to live in as the earth heats up, right now. and it turns out that if you live in a place with a lot of swimming pools like florida, california, the south other than part. those are the contractors who know how to blow concrete, shot, create a gun ict. it's called and so it might be 5% more than a stick frame construction, but there's so many saved costs at the end, you don't have to put a roof on it. you don't have to put signing on it. you can do whatever you want with it. >> but it's just encouraging to see somebody take their anxiety and turn it into action? yes. >> to make a site and action, all of us absolutely. if 5% more, i mean, that's nothing when you think about it. all

right. thank you so much, bill. and don't miss the one-hour champions for change special saturday at 9:00 a.m. >> s3 60 starts now good evening. and what a day and welcome to a week of testimony from perhaps the most consequential in controversial prosecution witness in the former president's hush money trial, michael cohen, a onetime fixer attorney, and according to his memoir, designated thug for the former president he's now a convicted felon and self admitted per juror, but despite that resume, he took the stand today as the single individual who can show the jury believe him, do what no other witnesses can testify to multiple direct conversations with the former president about then candidates not alleged knowledge and even authorization of every critical step of the alleged good morning crime that forms the basis of 34 felony charges against him, plus, cohen can testify to the prosecution's allegation that the so-called catch and kill scheme was a political move designed to win an election. cohen today quoted trump telling me, want to stormy daniels allegation under

wraps until after the election, quote, if i win and has no real hello events, i will be president if i lose, i don't even care. prosecutor used tax call logs and emails wherever possible to document cohen's testimony and tried to front end the credibility issue. the defense will certainly use against cohen afterwards, the former president addressed the news media. he had harsh words for the trial itself and the judge, but no mention of the witness just in the gag order or maybe having an effect joining me now, criminal defense attorney arthur aidala, former federal prosecutor, jeffrey thuban, and a slew of my colleagues who are in the courthouse on these huge de anchors, abby, phillip kaitlan, collins, laura coates, and also correspondent kara scannell, caroline start off with you as we often do. what was like. >> i mean, i thought it was just so fascinating how michael cohen was so cool control today, his answers were very deliberate. he chose his words carefully. he was measured as he told this whole story from when he first started working for donald trump, where he was talking favorably about him, about the experience to ultimately where we ended up at the end of the day, which is work he said donald trump approved this reimbursement to

him. another thing that really stood out to me was how prosecuted there's where weaving these call logs in-between everything that michael kahn was testifying to really give the jury something else to look at it. >> it's not just michael cohen way. >> it's not just michael cohen's where because a lot of this is cohen remembering a conversation he had with trump, but there's no other evidence of what that conversation was except these call log shows that calls took place one that stood out to me right before michael cohen went to the bank to create the bank account for essential consultants and then why are the $130,000 payment to keith davidson, stormy daniels, attorney? he called donald trump twice that morning at 8:30. we know he got to the bank at 10:00 a.m. and open the account and began this process. so we were seeing from the prosecutors getting to the credibility of cohen giving the jury something else to look at here, which were these call logs kaitlan, you were there in the afternoon. >> what was that like? >> yeah. and the afternoon is really when they got to the heart of why we're sitting inside that courtroom, which is the negotiation of this deal. that was interesting to me. i

never heard michael cohen say before that he spoke to donald trump before he took down that home equity line of credit. but what was so notable about that moment is what we had heard from qarrah on our other colleagues all morning. was that trump wasn't that michael cohen wasn't really looking at the jury, wasn't making eye contact when he was answering that question and explaining why he did it, which is because it was paperless, no documents would come in the male to his home saying that you took out 130 thousand dollar line of credit because his wife didn't know and he was explaining that he looked directly at the jury for sustained periods of time. and it was kinda walking them through it. and then in another moment he was explaining when which the prosecution was trying to get up because they know the defense will bring this up on cross-examination. is michael cohen wanted a job inside the trump administration and didn't get one. and michael cohen was saying today, he didn't actually think he was qualified to be chief of staff and he wanted his name to be yeah, that's a great well, this is the before days, but he wanted his name to be included because it was essentially an ego boost. he was very upfront and blunt about that, but he

was talking about text messages with his daughter and how good of a relay they shouldn't ship that they have and where she was texting him and they showed this on the screen that she was asking, you know, you're not going to get a job after everything you've done for donald trump and that was his feeling as well. and he was kind of explaining that to the jury and they were listening very closely. and it was kind of a humanizing moment for michael cohen, which he certainly is going to need when the defense tries to obviously leslie of this or write them as we're there were a lot of those you were doing. >> it was there in the morning for the ramp up to all of this and this is where you really saw michael cohen. i think exercising the control, the qarrah is talking about. we've all at some point or another talk to michael cohen, the version of michael cohen that most people are used to. he's pretty bombastic. he can be very loud is not that person on the witness stand when he first got there in the morning, he had his hands to his side almost as if he was sitting on them. he had his body language was so close to the vest and he starts talking about this relationship with trump, trying to build up this credibility

that he was not always this bitter person even to the point point of talking at not on numerous occasions about how many times he did things for donald trump, knowing that he would not get paid for it. he was not paid for a lot of work that he did before he came into the trump organization, there was $100,000 hundred thousand dollar build that that served in two key ways. is this perhaps speaks to how well well, he was prepared one, it showed that trump if you didn't want to pay a bill, he wouldn't pay it. but to that michael cohen was willing to do whatever for the simple praise of being in trump's orbit. and then again, when after the election, trump doesn't give him the job of his dreams, but does make him a personal attorney. he says he knew he wasn't going to get paid for that job. he was going to have the title, but no compensation. the only money that he was going to get where those $35,000 checks that we're actually more or less reimbursements for the hush money scheme. >> i was really struck by just

how puppy like he he portrayed himself for donald trump. i mean, were there when i was there in the morning, it was a bit surreal to see him describe himself and his boys have been must be wistful talking about. i was on top of the world when he would we need praise them, that he was seeking that praise, that validation, and that was so important for the prosecution to get out because they want the jury to have a snapshot. they don't want the michael cohen up today. they want to have the person who at that time, what were you willing to do? what did you do? but more importantly, at who is behest did you do so? we hadn't heard my testimony up until now about the directions that were given by donald trump who he was giving the argument detection two, we heard today, i want you in david pecker to work together. you and allen weisselberg to figure this out. the instructions given in a way we had not seen before. and there was also a moment where they took the wind out of the sale of the defense. argument to suggest that look, he's a liar and all capacities, why

believe i'm always has one i lied routinely for donald trump. that was part of my job. he knew that i did that for the media, the other part was the big question everyone asks, why did he record that phone call or that that conversation between himself and donald trump? he says fronting the issue. i didca ibeuse i want p didker to remain loyal to tmpi did because i wanted to ow pecker that he didn't tend to pay the mone and i knew it was going tout off the phone clt otyeor the caage inhe end, but didn'matter already have whatde ieeha tt point. anhed therha 's coming across as authenti the jur or not, thateems like the biggest bunch of bowl. i m that he dold trump's personal attorney n isee quarterlrecording recording a phe call agast covers, ings of his own client that he'enth t gngo tayo david pecker, an alled alpeon friend donald trump yeah tell david peck how trump has his back. 'm 'the personal friend ofonald ump that i'm vicker. wouldn't daviir go to

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not just his word. now, obviously his word counts for a lot, especially in the conversations with trump, but other than that, what the question i have and i assume we'll get to this later is just how are they going to attack him? because they can't say he didn't know donald trump and the checks speak for themselves. he did pay stormy daniels. he did get checks from trump. i mean, what is they're going to say he's liar, he's terrible. but what is it that he lied about? >> why we had a defense attorney what would you attack him? >> everyone saying, oh, you know, today it a great day for the prosecution. if today was not a great day, for the prosecution, alvin bragg has to go in there tomorrow and like dismiss the charges. i mean, today had to be a great day on the first maybe maybe one of the there's so many ways to attack. but i would say mr. cohen testified direct examination that, you didn't take $130,000 out of your bank account because to pay for

this, because you don't want your wife to know? correct. and what you determine to do the way to get around that wants to take out a home equity line of credit, correct. and that was a way for you to lie to your wife, correct? no. no, i wasn't lying in my life. >> well, you didn't go home and say honey, we have to make a decision here in our marriage to give 130 $1,000 to pay this off. >> you didn't do that, correct. so you deceived your own wife regarding this particular matter? correct. how does that make donald trump innocent? >> it's jeffrey, you know, this is why i have the charge will read or later on, i have the charge that the judge will read to the jury at the end of the case about credibility at basically anderson, what it says is you can except in whole or in part, it's called falses uno. >> so if you find that he's lying about one thing, just one thing. the judge is going to tell him. you can throw out all of the testimony and one president trump needs is one or two or maybe three of those people on the jury to be like, i can't live. ami doesn't believe him about one thing seriously, then obviously one

or two of those, people who don't agree with heart this guy's full of it. >> i do have one other thing that i found to just be lacking in michael cohen's testimony, but he testified to allen weisselberg talking him through how he would be compensated, and then he says, allen weisselberg went and break basically briefed trump. but he wasn't in the room for that conversation. the strong implication is that trump was then told that he was going to be given michael cohen was going to be given this money on the cover of some kind of retainer, which is the falsification of business records. part of it. but michael cohen doesn't actually know that and he testified that maybe that conversation happened, but he can't really prove it and you can't really print. he was out allen, but he was asked at the end, which is probably one of those critical ones to come out of this is if allen weisselberg showed that document, which is the key document, really the whole case to trump where they talk about how they'll change it, and how always going to be compensated and then get the extra 50 grand for something that trump did didn't pay him four.

>> and he said he testified that yes. allen weisselberg did show that document to trump and that trump did approve it. >> if you're the jury, aren't you wondering where is weisselberg they'd called other people just to talk about what he's done, what he's done, and how the accounting works. >> but that's the real missing elephant in the room. but one wait to get a sense of how maybe the fact finders a jury are thinking about this is through the objections that were raised by the defense that were sustained today when the judge is going along with what they're arguing and part of that was every time the prosecution attempted to say and go one step further. if i go cohen and say and from what did you think that person meant when they said that to you? why do you think that person was feeling at the time? it was objection. it was sustained each time because you're needing michael cohen to go that extra step to suggest it wasn't just intimation, it wasn't just my thought about how and why you were saying it, but could you actually give me the verbatim details of what they said as opposed to him just saying, well, what did he say once you told him things have been done?

>> fantastic. kept saying he said fantastic. fantastic is not an instruction, but it could be for the jury indication that he wanted it to happen kara scannell. >> thank you. ever more, everyone else stay with us. we just got the full transcripts of today's testimony, including michael cohen admitting to pass lies. john berman is going to go through those forests plus the most fascinating if you wanted the entire courtroom sketch but as christine cornell joins, except for the people on the panel, of course, christine cornell joins us again with her impressions been place where no cameras are sadly allowed, leg right back if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with bar sega because they're places you'd like to be for secular can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast actions and low blood sugar. >> a rare life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur, stopped taking for sika and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of disinfection and reaction or ketoacidosis we're still going

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cohen michael's my charney and you'll have to ask michael com i don't know georgetown with transcripts from cohen's testimony today seen as john berman. so we did just get the final installment of the transcript in it was at the very end of the de in this last section that perhaps the most important legal moment took place and it had to do with michael cohen testified about the payment in planning, what trump knew he described a meeting in trump tower in january of 2017 when trump was president elect at that point with allen weisselberg, michael cohen, and donald trump. michael cohen says, during the conversation, allen turned around and said to me, while we're talking about this, it was and what we're gonna do is we're going to pay you over 12 months. it was probably better if i get it in one lump sum. no, no, no, no, no. why don't you do it as over 12 months and it will be paid out to you monthly question from the prosecutor, susan hoffinger. and did he say anything about

how it will be paid out as something cohen? yeah. it was like a legal service rendered since i was then being given the title personal attorney to the president, then a little bit later, hoffinger asks, did mr. weisselberg's state in front of mr. trump, you are going to receive $420,000 over the course of 12 months, cohen? yes. hoffinger. and what, if anything, did mr. trump's say at the time? cohen says he approved it and he also said this is going to be one heck of a ride in dc question from hoffinger. and did missile weisselberg say in front of mr. trump that those monthly payments would be, you know, like a retainer for legal services michael cohen says, yes so why or coates is that the most critical testimony from the de well, because we're talking about 34 counts of falsified business records the order is not whether there was an affair or whether the allegations were true about either karen mcdougal are certainly daniel's is about

whether or not they intentionally falsified records to suggest that this was more than what mcconney we talked two batches, simple dropdown menu or options were this i had to put legal services down. it was an intentional act. he is alleging, of course, you're talking about always sober and cohen, this conversation. but the defendant is actually trump that's the issue. but have you looked at the words that brought me just wrote read i'm calling you that because that's what he calls you. i'm sorry. >> i answered get a much more. >> i don't mean to be well, i always call all right. >> sorry he says he approved it, but it doesn't use the words that he approved it with. >> he quotes, i'm saying there's going to be a heck of a rod in dc which has nothing to do with the approval so that's something that i would i would focus on as well. well, you said he approved did he not his head. did he say something you just want to direct? he approved it but didn't say how he approves it. okay. that's great. that sounds good. allen, get it done. you just said he approved it, but then you remember him saying it's gonna be a heck of a rod in dc so why is your memory so clear about

it's a heck of a rotten dc and not how how did he approved, but isn't that isn't that statement that he remembers if he were lying, wouldn't he say oh, yes. make it be sure to make it a look like a legal fee in fact, it seems like trump's sort of change changes the subject and talks about his experience isn't that doesn't want to see how he approves it. >> he just says he improved it. that was the other question also is michael cohen talked about how he basically never constructed a retainer agreement for trump because he never was getting paid for basically anything that he did for donald trump including the one hundred thousand dollars he was owed when it was first brought on a decade ago and including in this moment when he was changing jobs, then. so i think the other question that i had and there was a yz now getting paid. and how often is if you are getting a legal retainer, is it ever grossed up for taxes? no. no. no, no. exactly. so that's the primary question so critical well, thinking about that meeting is if it's to believe, believe

this is the moment when trump is informed that the building is going to be this improper legal services essentially. >> well, yes. but but also trump writes the checks. i mean, what what possible explanation for their is there except that at it is the deal that he worked out with weisselberg and kotb. >> the questions that i have, i mean, if i mean maybe arthur, you can speak to this is there a defense in trump's saying or trump's attorney saying, well, he was advised by allen weisselberg, this is the best way to do it. and he agreed that's definitely a piece of it. and also, i mean it's not that he it's not that a veterinarian laid out the money and he's giving it to michael cohen legal fee and then michael cohen is going to give it to him his lawyer did leave. let lay out the money the money is going to michael cohen. michael cohen? is his lawyer. so writing a legal legal fee down there is not like so far-fetched. if i'm if i'm

doing the closing argument, i would say, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, do you think with donald trump had constructions done on one of his buildings and he wrote a check to the construction firm. do you think he broke it down? well, this much it was for concrete this much was for rebar and this much was from window or you say, here, here's the big check you deal with it from there here, michael cohen, here's the big check. if some of it is money that you earn, it's yours. if someone's money who laid out it's yours, but in my mind, it all goes on to legal fees. >> but has a different summation. right. and that's why they have book excerpts that talk about how meticulously he managed his money, how he didn't how he would say even had my westerhout saying, well, he would look at the things he would void out other aspects of it. he knew where his money was going. >> he was telling me michael cohen to pay $0.20 on the dollar. exactly. he he tucson them to renegotiate part of the testimony and say was about michael cohen's job being to renegotiate invoices that he he didn't like. that was a big part of the argument is he's not paying michael cohen the argument you make as defending

donald trump is its money go into his lawyer, it's money, whether it's i'm sorry, again, not for legal services. >> that's the point. okay but i think you could argue to a jury that this is my new xia and it's a police clinical. it is a political hijab on this guy because that guy sitting in the front row, alvin bragg, who's not sitting in a murder trial right now, who's not sitting in a robbery trial right now? he's sitting here because he doesn't want him to be president of the united states. it's called selective prosecutions. ladies and gentlemen of the jury, and your justice in this courtroom. and justice dictates that you walk right out. >> well, let me let me raise it well. i'm raise it with this i got to go tau attorney with you in this i would then take about putting in different rooms, lays them or the jury, the president united states was in the oval office, not managing the free world. he wasn't talking about duplet till it was homeless. he wasn't talking about congressional selection. he was thinking about writing checks and michael cohen because of stormy daniels. so you want to talk about the rooms that we're in

and why were there and how long we stay there. >> do you are you telling me that the person who is now the president and i was doing this, he was also concerned about karen mcdougal. you're right. >> you're right, but she's a very beautiful woman. he said but isn't i mean two words? i mean anything. i mean, no, no. >> they weren't legal services. that's a fact. what is going to itching money? look i'm going to make a big deal that he watched every penny i get that part. i think that's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. i don't think they've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is involved without how it gets written down in ledger book or how it gets how it goes down to his accountant. that's clearly why is that what level of detail matters. well what you're leaving out are certain because you're making the case for the defense, is this is not an ordinary legal fee because as donald trump knows this lawyer laid out oh, $230,000 of his own money that he had them his wife by the board campaign. >> right? right campaign.

>> that's what he did well, today is i think he made it clear that this if you believe is thesauri that nothing to do with melania, does nothing to do with his family. this had everything to do with pain and that's an essential that was one of the most brutal moments of michael cohen's testimony. >> it was incredible. i think berman has the transcript what do you have the transcript of the locker room talk. >> and the why of both. >> the other one, where he that one. >> let me just play this soundbite because this was the interview i did with melania trump in 2016 about the access hollywood tape. i think if memory serves me, it was her first interview after the access hollywood tape he described it as locker room talk to you. i mean, you sort of alluded to that as well. is that what it is two, you just locker room talk? >> yeah. i i it's kind of two teenage boys actually, they should behave better, right? >> it was not denied. >> correct and sometimes i said i have two boys at home. i have my young son and i have my

husband so but i know how some men talk and that's how i saw it, yes what's itching? >> and we learned today, according to michael cohen melania trump had a role in shaping. >> cohen says it was her idea which we've never was her idea, half-inch. you're the prosecutor says, what, if any, discussion you remember what mr. trello about the access hollywood tape cohen says he wanted me to reach out to all my contacts with the media. we needed to put a spin on it and the spin that he wanted to put on it was that this is locker room talk something that melania had recommended or at least he told me that's what malala had thought it was. now, to your point, caitlin about melania it in a little bit later point here, michael cohen goes on to say donald trump really didn't care that much about what melania thought. this is a little bit of an excerpt. it also has a zinger about the timing here. cohen says during the negotiation of purchase and acquire the life, right what he had said to me is what i want you to do is just push it out. this is the stormy

daniels payment. as long as you can just get past the election. because if i win it has no relevance. i will be president if i lose, i don't even care, then the prosecutor says, good, you bring up at the time the topic of his wife melania, and one of those conversations cohen says, i did hoffinger. what did you say in substance to him? cohen says i said to him. and how's things going to go with the upstairs? half of your says, were you concerned about that? cohen says, i was hoffinger says and what, if anything, did he say to you about that? otherwise, the upstairs meaning what's happening, we believes what what's happening with the family, what's happened? putting with the mrs. upstairs in trump tower? yes. so then cohen says don't worry, he goes he goes, how long do you think i will be on the market for not long hoffinger says, what did you understand that to mean cohen says he wasn't thinking about melania. this was all about the campaign. >> this was a remarkable moment getting these updates from reporters inside the room. and

this is one that makes you pause for a moment because it was essentially michael cohen who is very enamored by the former first lady and went to apologize to her actually, later on at the white house, they had a lunch after he lied to her about the stormy daniels affair and the allegation and the cover-up of it. >> but this moment here. it's michael cohen's word that we're going off of. but to hear him say that donald trump was essentially saying he could get married again so easily that it wasn't a problem if she was upset by this. i mean, that was remarkable because also we know this turned into donald trump did win the white house bill on trump renegotiated or prenup and refuse to move to washington until it was done he. is if you talk to people, he's kinda terrified of melania trump's, she's the one person whose opinion he actually holds in high regard. and when she's mad at him, it really bothers them. it's why this trial is so personal to him, because it gets him in jen trouble at home a lot. so that was a remarkable moment to hear michael cohen shed that insight coming up stormy day nielsen in the payment to her, obviously, also at the center of this

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cohen join his now an exclusive interview, stormy daniels, attorney clark brewster. >> i want to get your impressions of michael cohen's testimony today and specifically, how it statements track with things you're your client has said, do you think that they have corroborated each other? >> you know, it's interesting. i've been stormy, has never met michael coe, the first time they talked was in a podcast for cohen. but so obviously as facts that she's not privy to with regard to the negotiations behind the scenes, how the money was allocated, and dealt with. but i don't think there's anything that michael cohen had knowledge of involving stormy that was inconsistent with what she testified to didn't stormy daniels realize at the time how big a deal this was unfolding behind the scenes. i mean, did she know about the michael cohen factor? >> i don't think she fully appreciate there's a keith davidson just handling stuff. >> yeah. keith davidson who was representing karen mcdougal google as well. and stormy was aware of that, i think at some point, but obviously the

nuances of how this was going down she knew was significant again, for the campaign and that was the pressure point basically. but i don't think she knew all of them the machinations behind the scenes. >> how do you think she came out of from her testimony? i think cross-examination. yeah. i think first of all, the prosecution team has outstanding. >> we spent a lot of time with them very careful deal dealing with the facts and circumstances and the corroboration of her testimony. the defense is dealing with a very, very hard working, smart, careful prosecution team, but i think stormy great job. >> she hadn't come face-to-face with trump since 2007, i believe until they were in that courtroom together in there were moments where trump we found out later was actually is attorneys being scolded by the judge. he was cursing audibly. >> could she hear any of that or did what did she say about what it was like to be in the room with him? she was pretty non plus by him do you. really didn't pay much regard to him? she did hear them. the statement that he made a couple of times to some or testimony,

but pretty much harder. >> i'm cursing in the courtroom. >> she heard him cursing, which she heard him responding audibly, but i don't think she that impacted or at all they were really trying to make her feel shamed in some way by her profession, she seemed completely unphased by that entering the courtroom saying her name was to be addressed as stormy daniel's. were there moments that she had been prepared that they would attack her in that way and do you think that her response was in line with how she truly felt? >> i think stormy was stormy on the stand and she's genuine. she's very bright. she's quick witted. and i think she came across is genuine and open and exposed the sheep intended to be. and i think the jury saw that clark there was a lot of talk in testimony about stormy's finances. and one of the things in her finances is because michael avenatti filed this failed lawsuit against trump the drudge assessed

attorney's fees against her she now owes donald trump's something like $670,000 what's going to happen is she going to pay that? can she pay it? is there any way to fight it? what's going to happen in that? well, i think it's a non-issue for this trial. they try to impeach her with it, but keep in mind the story that she that she told in that courtroom and factually, but was before there was any judgment. the judgment was inconsequential with regard to try to impeach her testimony with regard to that judgment is patently unfair, but that's what happens in a defamation case when the slap statute is applied, the attorney's fees are almost automatic. they weren't appealed timely before i got involved the main case was but not the attorney's fees. so we were hampered in trying to deal with that but in the nda case, which is really the subject of her testimony in the courtroom. she want across the board, we were awarded attorney's fees every step of the way. >> we didn't get avenatti. >> he's billing because he

wouldn't cooperate. so the phi was less is about 100,000 that came off that but will fight in florida. and i think that we'll get some relief there. >> was she aware of that potential that if she didn't, that was not in never explained that. i'd tell her. i don't want to speak for michael avenatti, but he never appreciated the risk of a slap defense and never really informed her of it and really exposed her it's terrible if i get to i'm just curious and you feel comfortable telling us about how many times would you say stormy was prepared by the district attorney's office? >> i don't have to say about i can tell you exactly. they i will just tell you that they were very diligent, very careful in their examination wanted corroboration with everything she told them and found it. but there were a number of sessions that were lengthy and being a trial lawyer and doing a lot of

criminal cases, i can tell you this prosecution team is first-rate. >> a number is more or less than five, more or less? >> dead between the direct and the cross stormy's demeanor on the stand was different from an outsider's perspective. how did she go from that first day of testimony, first day and-a-half to when she knew she was going to get grilled by the defense. i mean, how did she how did she take that? what did you tell her anything to kinda get ready for that moment? >> sure yeah. we spent as you remember, we tuesday then there was a dark day, wednesday, we come back on thursday, but i knew her time to shine would be on cross because she's very, very quick thinker. she's very seizes in on facts of the question and was very responsive i think the direct was careful and i think the cross was right up our ally and she dealt with it well, she afraid now. >> yeah. she has a lot of your and she really does. i mean,

she was concerned about the security coming into new york she wore a bulletproof vest every day yes. >> until until she got to the courthouse. i can tell you that before she came on sunday, i mean, she cried herself to sleep. i'm she was very she was paralyzed with fear, not of taking the stand are telling her story, but what might some nut might do to her. and i'm genuinely concerned about it as well. >> she had her daughter's necklace on in the courtroom. was that some kind of a good luck charm for a mom? >> yeah, it was it was a feeling that she had her daughter with her and it was really cute that she did that. the daughter made that next the defense moved for a mistrial during your client's testimony, arguing they they tried to do it twice. what did you think of their argument? >> well it really came into play with regard to the detail, some of the detail and establishing her credibility and why she did certain things. and she said i was fearful and she was told by a lawyer, you need to hide in plain sight. the stories got to be

memorialized one way or the other. >> and if something happens, they'll know so who is motivated to do it? >> so that was that was the motivation and i think the the defense didn't like that but keep in mind in the court of public opinion, trump is constantly said, she's a sleazebags. she's a liar. i only met her one time at a and so that that lay down those facts he thought were important enough for the court of public opinion. why wouldn't they be important enough for a jury in this case when she was on the stand, she talked about feeling like she was going to black out and you're talking to the feeling in your hands. i think she talked about her head sort of swimming. that was sort of a level of detail. she hadn't said fed before to my knowledge the prosecutor in questioning her said, is that a recovered memory and i think she intimated that, yes, it was sort of a memory should that had come to her is that something was that something new? that you had heard before? no no. >> you're talking about the time she came out of the

bathroom and he was on the bad, right? yeah. she's always said that the defense made a big deal about clearly it was upset by that and was accusing her of changing the story from the 2011 in touch article which stormy on the stand said that was look it's in touch magazine. you don't go into a level of detail with them. essentially that's right. and so the questions asked by the prosecution were very detailed and very delving into very specific issues and some of the gossip magazine interviews that had been done before we're just pretty superficial. but she's always said that i heard it from the first occasion i spoke with her in-depth on this matter does it matter to her if trump is convicted and if so, why she's privately to me, she feels bad for the guy because she's just empathetic, but publicly, i mean, she's been so damaged by him in the statements he's made about her that any person would feel some degree of revenge motive. so i

think that should be more inclined to hope that the jury does the right thing and find some and conviction. >> and on the fear part, i mean, there was a moment where she to turn to the judge because her address was on a piece of evidence that she was worried they were going to show to the courtroom and to have out there. i mean, did she concern that they do have her address? >> well honestly, she's very concerned about that. and because she she lives in an area that might not have the level of

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>> who knows what could happen tomorrow? cohen apparently appeared relaxed on the stand or earlier it seemed like trump tried to zen out or zone out as best he could often called closing his eyes again. one of many scenes my next guest captured for us while in court today veteran courtroom sketch artist christine cornell is with us again, tonight's so you spent the day looking at michael cohen. was there a certain detail you notice most about him while he testified. >> well, his face is really long and thin, kind of shockingly so yeah. i mean, i think he's he's gotten smaller. >> he said recently that he's been having trouble eating. so you've hit on something there. they last about first, i think sketched him when he first pleaded guilty in 2018 to a variety of federal crimes. actually, when he first pleaded not guilty. >> oh, really? yeah. yeah. >> so did you we will look back at those old sketches before to prepare for today, are on my wall just michael cohen everywhere. that's that's cohen in 2018. >> yeah. yeah. he looks he looks younger there obviously

so last time we talked you talked about how the art of a sketch artist brings a lot of humanity two cases. i'm wondering, when you heard cohen today, did you did the humanity of him come across? >> i started to think about that he was 57 years old. that trump is 20 years his senior, that there must have been an incredible attraction to this mentor type powerful guy you know, kind of giving him you know, the bolts of zeus, he could threaten to sue people and they knuckle real fast because of what was behind him. you know, i found it fascinating that he used to dress like trump, that you would wear the same flat colored tie in a lot of the videos are where they're basically wearing identical black over codes i mean, there was clearly a lot of sort of hero worship there yeah. yeah. i think that was this betrayal was very, very deep. i mean there was a time when trump actually had all of his contacts and his phone shifted into michael's phone.

>> i mean, what greater trust is there then? his trunk change over the course of this trial in terms of how you sketch him well, his hair isn't as golden it was very golden like two weeks ago and i was the one i was surprised. it's it's right now, it's down into the range of what happens. >> people's hair when they kind of fade a bit aside from the appearance of michael cohen, becoming thinner. >> did you notice in terms of drawing him in 2018 till now, a change in his demeanor. >> i mean, you talked about zeus versus now. >> yeah. golly, he was so much bravado. in 2018. yeah. yeah. way back when and but then i also had the honor of drawing him when he was weeping i'm feeling very, very terribly sorry for himself as he pled guilty and saying he made terrible mistakes you know, i was thinking today about the evolutionary thing on michael cohen. he's not evolved yet because he's still blaming trump for everything they'd be. did you though. >> so that's just sure you

follow the testimony today. i mean, when we talked about this a little bit last time, but when you are in utero, you're doing the sketch, how much you actually listening to the content. oh, i'm listening to everything yeah. >> and that informs how you're doing it because i like more it seems like you start a sketch and you can you can erase parts of it early on and how once you started or you set with what you're doing. >> well, sometimes you might say to yourself, gee, you know he's a little more agitated than that and you want to get that across if you can. i mean, some crazy things happen with his eyebrows. one of them is just really up here and the other is really down here. and you can't exaggerate it, frankly, i mean, i get afraid of doing a caricature, but nope. >> christine, you are not sketching the jury, but you're in with the jury and you've seen a lot of juries. can you make any observations about this jury compared to others? >> they're very intent if they're very serious they they

don't look at him when they walked into the courtroom. >> do you mean a look at trial? >> they do not look at him and is that unusual in your experience? >> i think we only really think about that stuff when you're waiting for the verdict your heart isn't your throat, and i'm like i just told christine is going to draw me a picture that i want to keep because this is going to be a good memory not a bad man well you know, they, they won't look at at somebody they've convicted. they will look at you if they if they still have a connection to you and like you. so i just think this is you know, i know we've talked about how a win for trump would be jury. is there anybody on this jury? >> you know, who's not who's going to think for some reason or another that this isn't something they should convict on or cam convict on. i don't know. there were all these other characters also. the

courthouse today alvin bragg shut up in some of the drawings, but there were the senators as valid. and how did that affect the vibe in the room for you? well, it'll we they come in like a little power team. it's really like a ballet i know it all by the clicks or their heels first come in the characters the electronics and then here come the prosecutors and then, you know, i then the front row in front of me fills up with avalon bragg and then the lawyers for whoever the witnesses day and then the the prima ballerina here comes mr. trump, and his entourage. >> what does he sound like coming in? he's pretty quiet himself, but the rest of them are very no. >> i noticed he was quietly walked down the hall. pass me. i didn't even know he was walking past. yeah. i understand. was looking at this sketch i was watching you. i was i honestly was nobody told her. i was like, should we be

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