another few days for the biden administration when it comes to rafah, because the understanding between the white house and the israeli prime minister's office that israel will not significantly, significantly expand its operation in rafah before or sullivan arrives in israel, it's expected to be, i think on sunday then a few days after sullivan comes back to washington, either late next week or the week after, there's going to be a high meeting in-person at the white house between teams from the us and israel, exactly about the operation in rafah. >> can i suspect that this understanding to let's say, put on hold the further expansion of the operation rafah will continue until after that meeting. so i think the biden administration managed to buy another let's say, a week or two weeks before as well, goes to the next step of its operation in rafah all right. >> well, brock, thank you very much for sharing your reporting and analysis. i appreciate it and thanks so much to

>> and good evening, thanks for joining us. we were expecting fireworks in the first day of cross examination on michael cohen, the onetime fixture for the former starts now prompted a sidebar with the judge who asked blanche, blanche why are you making this about yourself the attorneys said he that he wasn't that he had a quote right to show the witnesses bias. the judge sustained the objection. the trial got back underway, but it was wasn't long before blanche returned to cohen's propensity data mouth off on social media, blanche asked cohen, quote, and on that same tiktok. so again, on april 23, you referred to president trump when he left the courtroom, you said that he goes right into that little cage which is where he belongs in. i'm going to clean up the language here effing caves like an animal. do you recall saying

that blanche asked in respond in quote, i recall saying that that's sort of set the tone for the rest of the hearing where the former president's attorney, a former federal prosecutor, tried to undermine cohen's credibility, as well as his recall of conversations with the former president wasn't the only drama either its allies of the former president, including house speaker mike johnson and several others who appeared to be in town for a vip p audition, showed their numbers. then for the second day in a row, said what a former president under gag order cannot joining us tonight. former us attorney michael moore, former federal prosecutors, jeffrey tube in and timme aganga-williams also seen an anchor, kaitlan collins, who was in the courtroom this morning. former federal prosecutor elie honig and correspondent kara scannell, who he was also in the courtroom. kara, what was your impression and the cross seem to be the last thing that we all heard. so it kinda six our memory, but this morning, what the prosecution also did was use cohen to wrap up their case going over month by month, all of the elements of the crime, the alleged crime, the invoice, is that coincide were

falsified. the check stub that he said the descriptions were falsified, and then the check sign, but majority of them signed by donald trump, that he said was all false, all because the retainer then the prosecution tried to get ahead of all of cohen's past legal run-ins and everything. but then the cross i mean, that was we were expecting some fireworks here for what so me was cohen remained compose the whole time, even as he was parsing words with todd blanche over whether he had lied to the special counsel during the investment of russia russia. russia investigation, or whether he had given an inaccurate statement they were going back and forth cohen even killed the whole time and then relented and telling blanche, okay five but he didn't he didn't break us cool and he didn't he didn't give in on some of these other things. but the real theme of the day was blanche trying to establish by throwing cohen's words back him from his podcasts, from his book, that he hates trump, and that hizon, a revenge shore and he's trying to make money doing it. come and

acknowledging made $4.3 million on the sale of two of his books which is actually quite a lot for the sale, the two-thirds vote to kill what was it court, not surprising though. >> he is, he was donald trump's former attorney who took guilty pleas and went to jail. i mean, i think there was a lot for him to write about that people were interested in a lot of time to write and a lot of time to write and reflect as he talked about and testified today. i do we think the prosecution's arguments this morning with michael cohen were really interesting for the reasons that kara just laid out, but also because there were a few moments where everyone realized it was a big moment from his testimony, we're michael cohen said the reason he paid stormy daniels that money was to ensure that the story wouldn't come out to hurt donald trump's chances of winning the election. >> and if there had been now election, he said he never would have paid stormy daniel's most likely, there were those few moments that as we were hearing about the documents and about comments he made about trump, it kinda crystallized. why michael cohen was there. what really surprised me is when the cross started this afternoon, donald trump had this demeanor of

where he was closing his eyes again for sustained periods of time. he wasn't always watching the witness stand, i believe only once or twice because he's seen kinda looking over because he has to lean over to actually see the witness and that's not the way anyone expected him to be engaged. i think, especially as it was his attorneys time to grill michael cohen when stormy daniels was getting crossed examined, he was paying quite close attention. it was not the same way today, which stood out to me given of course, his hatred for michael cohen is much higher even than stormy daniels, elie, how do you think todd blanche did? i mean, he is actually not an experienced trial attorney. well, he's experienced trial attorney on the prosecution, sayyed, but defending is very different. and by the way, prosecutors are not very experienced at cross plus examination. i'm just going to say candidly, i thought the cross-examination was unfocused and underwhelming. i followed minute by minute as we were doing our live coverage, i just re-read the whole thing. there were moments i think where he breaks through and scores points, but by enlarge, he was jumping from topic to topic. he missed some obvious moments. i'll give you an example.

>> the first question which you talked about in the warm-up, their anderson was wildly inappropriate and i think ms casta stakes blanche, came right out and said, we've never met you and may michael cohen, right? >> michael cohen said no and he said yeah, you called me a crying little on tiktok, immediate objection. sustained. it's not relevant what michael cohen thinks of the lawyer. it's very relevant when michael cohen thanks. of the defendant, which he got to later. but if you're talking lunch, you don't want to make it about michael cohen versus the defense, or you want it to be michael cohen versus the truth. so i'm not impressed by what i've seen from the cross so far. he has a date of figure here it out. he said he's going to take all day thursday, but i think he needs a change in course here what do you guys? well, i'm glad to be with you. i do think some of what he did was pure tactics. i mean, i think this moving around and not having this timeline cross-examination is a good thing because you know, the code like any other prosecution witness who has been prepped at nauseum tell their story. so you want to get them if you're cross-examine and you want to make them tell the story on

your terms and not to follow the script that they've been in. so i can see that i really took away that the jury's probably see it and thinking right now that covid has gripped are in a wafa he clearly is making money off this. he clearly somebody who's got his hand in the till to try to sell his books. and as long as he we can keep hayden trump and things go south for trapped and he can he can make money. question is, do they look at the president, former president that way? >> i mean, i don't know yet. >> i mean, honestly, because then cohen didn't help himself. he's kinda critical here because he's the only thing the state has to make this connection. to make this case a felony, and that to move it from my misdemeanor business records case to say we were doing it because we were trying to basically break the federal law, the camp, the campaign finance law. and so he's got to do that and right now, he's been so hedging kg during his cross and not want to answer questions. juries pick up on that. i mean, they they will pecker if he answers the questions completely and gives us very vivid memory let me to a prosecutor and then to the defense attorney, he suddenly that remember what he did

yesterday. are not sure about i pick up on that. i don't think that i don't think that's true at all about the felony issue. i think hope hicks, who is obviously favorably disposed towards trump, also talks about how they had to keep stormy daniels quiet because of the election i think it was as elie said, a kind of stumbling start in terms of the theatrical, but he certainly did establish that trump that can really can't stand trump and he hates 70s bidder and he's not hard to his have not not not not hard to establish what i'm waiting for. >> is an explanation for the evidence other than the prosecution's evidence pro version. look cohen paton, just daniel's trump paid him $420,000. the prosecution has a clear explanation for why these transactions took place, and if they believe that he's going to be convicted the one thing we didn't get it all today and there's a long time to go is

we'll okay. if that's not the explanation for why this money changed hands, what is it and blanche didn't do any of that today. and we'll see if you really do. >> they have to provide that or is just a reasonable doubt enough to poke holes in what the explanation there's by the prosecution. >> well, you need i mean, yes, reasonable doubt is enough, but doubt as prosecutors like to say, doubts have to be based on reason. i mean, there has to be a reason that these transactions took place other than the prosecution's explanation, and i haven't heard it i mean, i think of iowa, but prosecutors, i'm feeling pretty good right now. i think they're on their way to conviction. i think the entire burden always always rest on the prosecution. but jurors are everyday rational people. and at some point they started need a counter narrative. you have to give them something to hold onto. you simply can't say that this guy lacks credibility. i think what was effective here is because throughout this trial, we poured so much, frankly about what a scummy guy, michael

cohen is, multiple witnesses, including hope hicks. i said the problems about michael cohen. >> and by the time we get to michael cohen, there's a way in which i think he those a little bit of under promising and over-performing it gets up there and he comes off from from what i've read with a calm demeanor. >> he's not fighting, he's not over the top. he's really coming and he's honest. and what's effective i think is that on direct, a lot of the most damaging things that michael cohen come out through the prosecution and that's on purpose because by the time you get to the defense you're trying to go over some of these old threads, but it's not for the first time you're hearing that he has issues with donald trump or that he's lied before, or that he's a criminal. he said all these things before and unknown to them. so i think it loses some of the oem for the defense lawyers come up, but let me the thing is you have to michael cohen needs to be flustered. that is what trump's team is trying to do. it didn't seem what they were very successful at that today. there were a few points where he said, well, that's not a lie. it's an inaccuracy and top-line said, okay, what's the difference?

and they said, okay, it's a lie. he did was caught off guard a few moments on those parts. but when the prosecution was up and they were asking michael cohen about what it was like for the fbi to come and to rate his his hotel that he was staying in because his house was under renovation, his home, his office, and what that was like, he was describing that he was frightened, despondent angry, up his life had been turned upside down and he talked on this call that he got from trump a few days later and we had heard at the time, trump called and maybe four so days after after the raid called him back really. and he said trump told him, don't worry, i'm the president of the united states. there's nothing here. everything's going to be okay. stay tough. you're going to be okay. and then they went into this pressure campaign to keep an attorney who was aligned with donald trump to not flip and cooperate with prosecutors. my question was held. the jury takes something like that where they did this compelling link story of what michael cohen was facing. >> let me just asieh, somebody who knows michael cohen from i don't know how much you actually know him, but from

television and probably interviewing him. was he likeable on the stand? i mean, was he michael cohen who is the guy in the tiktok videos, who seems to like your tear himself talk and he was not that person as you know, i spent five hours this weekend watching michael cohen's testimony from capitol hill, and it actually is really informative for how he was on the stand. i thought i think if you want to get an idea of what michael cohen is like on the stand and kara was there for the cross so she can answer that better today. >> then. that's a really good way because and lanny davis, his attorney, says, we test if we tried the night before michael cohen blow a gasket when they were kind of impersonating what jim jordan and mark meadows would do, and lanny davis said, great if you do that, republicans will be high-fiving you tomorrow. it was a similar method today where where he was really trying to be calm. he was saying yes, ma'am, no, ma'am. he was looking at the jury. i mean, he was really trying to not be the boisterous michael cohen that you see on tiktok or on television. >> i mean, extremely controlled, especially for anyone who's dealt with

michael cohen or seen him in interviews, he can be so bombastic can begin so reactive to what someone says and almost always wants to have the last word. and in this he is just true tremendous control on his part of answering the questions even when todd blanche is going toe-to-toe with him parsing things, he is he is not raising his voice. he is answering the specific question and at times he tried to add a little bit more to it and some blanche would punch back and say that's not what i asked you, but he didn't take the bait. and he didn't react in the way that i think a lot of us have seen michael contract. >> yeah. not taking the bait is notable for michael cohen. >> to me, were you surprised that the prosecution is not calling somebody else at the resting on michael cohen because there was a lot of talk beforehand of is he really the best person to leave them with from the prosecution standpoint, it must be assigned that musketeers feel like you did a good job. why? i think what it shows you is that the michael cohen we saw today was part of the plan and he's

showing up the way the expected him to show up. when i was a prosecutor in handling trials. you want to put week witnesses kind of in the middle, right? it's not it's you don't want to end on someone that you think is gonna get up there, get battered, and really n on a week? no, because that's not what you want either the defense to go into closing arguments with or you want the jury to be thinking that last bit of your case, the fact that they're ending with him to me says one they feel confident they've made their case, and i think too, that they have a belief that he's been a strong witness for them. i think they plan this. i mean, prosecutors are not going to start a last-minute decision that, you know what, we'll just stop with him at that point, they've thought about the elements and thought about their case. and i think it bears out because by the time we get to michael cohen, a lot of the critical elements of this case, but david pecker and hope hicks, like jeffrey was saying, have already been and established. so michael cohen i think is really crossing the t's, but he was not a witness that you thought before he got on that this case was was bare-bones and he had to build the entire thing up answered it really close. >> i think karatay point about

how they ended with the direct examination with putting in the checks and the documents. it's important britain to remember for all the drama. this is a case about false business records. they put the records in front of the jury at the end of their case, and i think that was very much intentional and if there's a conviction, they will have made the right decision. >> kara scannell, thanks for being with us. everyone else is going to stick around the full transcript of today's testimony just been released, including more for of cohen's colorful descriptions of the foreign president. so for media and on his podcast and just why the defense, one of those words in the record, plus what the jury may make out of these attacks on lipophilic in his character, jury consultant make

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preferred better science, better results. >> i melies nonna in washington, and this is cnn so this in some nine, we've just gotten the full transcripts of the contentious testimony between michael cohen and the former president's defense attorneys. >> they have come out, we should point point out that opposing counsel in the hush money trial got a preview of michael cohen as a witness back in october when he testified in the form of presence, civil fraud trial, including how he would handle the rickard, the credibility issue. this is what he said ahead of that testimony

hi credibility should not be in question. yes, i like guilty to a 1001 violations with lying to congress, but also request let's do that. people continue the sentence and the sentences. i did it at the direction of in cancer with and for the benefit of donald j. trump joining us. >> now, those transcripts is our very own john berman. so they defense was painting. michael cohen has man who hates trump had bent on revenge order some of the highlights or lowlights. >> well, in this good, i suppose so there should be a warning here about language because it crosses over from p0 13 indurated are here. you spoke a little bit about how todd blanche right out of the gay, said crying little? elie said the word here about about five minutes later, he dipped in even more to some greatest hits from michael cohen. he's talking about cohen's tiktok. you also talked on social media during this trial, but president trump. have you not? michael cohen says, sounds correct yes. blanche says so for example, on april 23rd, which is after the trial

started, correct? cohen says yes. you referred to president trump as dictator dieback, didn't you? cohen says, sounds like something i said, which by the way is one of the answers he gets very commonly or sounds like something i said, blanche says, and on that same tiktok. so again, on april 23rd, you refer to president trump when he left the courtroom and you said he goes right into that little cage, which is worried belongs in an effing little cage like an animal. do you recall saying that cohen says, i recall saying that and then a few minutes later in the trial, blanche starts talking about his podcast, cohen's podcast. blanche says, you recall the first one and 2020 as a cheeto-dusted cartoon villain, something he called trump. cohen says that also sounds like something i said. again, his common response now, blanche says, no. do you recall around that same time, october of 2020 years started talking about your hope that trump would be convicted of a crime, correct? cohen says, i don't know if those are the exact words that i said, but the sentiment is correct. you think you might have said, i truly

epic. hope that this man ends up in prison. is that exact? cohen says, it sounds like my language on mea culpa the fact that michael cohen's so obviously an over-the-top is consumed by hatred for donald trump, wants him in prison, is celebrating and is selling t-shirts is outrageous. >> we sort of take it for granted because this is ben michael cohen's public persona for the last five, six years. >> but this should be a bonanza for cross-examination. three federal former federal prosecutors here. >> what would you do if you found out the eve of a big trial that your star witness was selling t-shirts showing the defendant imprisonment. you'd have to think hard about dismissing the case that is a major flaw in the defendant. >> actually, if he's cheeto-dusted, yeah, that would be i mean, you're right michael cohen has sort of way with words because it can get funny. but laughing about defendant going to jail is i think it's offensive to the jury. >> that's not for michael cohen to say about. that's the worst part of all the things that cohen has said.

>> it's one thing to say. he's terrible. >> i don't like him. >> use all sorts of swear words. >> but if you were talking about the results of this case, i mean, that's what this case is about, whether donald trump is eligible to go to prison or not. >> and you have cohen campaigning for that. >> that's a very negative, negative and blend and you should spend the first hour on that. >> well, i mean, i don't think the jury is going to forget. >> he spent some time on it. yeah. >> yeah. i mean, i think we also have to remember these jurors are not like we are, right. i mean, they might not be watching everything prior testimony and stuff that go into said and so are expectations about how he would perform and what he would do, maybe a little different than what their expectations are. but he's he is the crucial witness i mean, i disagree with you about have they prove the case because when i went back to look at the indictment of de and basically they've got to show that he intended to commit another crime. not that he tried to help his campaign. they've got to show that he actually had the intent to commit another crime and i don't think they've gotten there yet and that's what they

hope they've gotten their with colon but that's he's gotten to be the one. and so without that, that's where they're trying to dang is credibility fl time after time and whether it's through the comments that he makes on social media with how he acts on the stand their wishy washy genus of his answers. i mean, that's what thereafter say, look, you can't believe him and don't forget, he ran a tape on his client, didn't tell me about every day you you believe that they have proof? yeah. i think they have and i think when you're dealing with a cooperator, what you have to think about is corroboration federal prosecutors prosecutors, every day they put up murderers, for example, and they're cooperators. they put up all kinds of people who do done awful, terrible things, much worse than selling t-shirts and wishing that someone goes down, they've tried to kill people. they've killed sometimes the victims nedd very case and juries believe them, because if you're going to challenge a credibility, you have to place it again to corroboration. i think that's where the counter narrative of explaining why is donald trump citing these $35,000 checks again and again

and again, they're obviously not for illegal fees or nothing gets a reasonable explanation. so i think the cohen question is going to come down to the corroboration when the jury goes back and think about all of these witnesses, they think about these documents. they think about what is a reasonable conclusion here, because it's beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond all doubt. i think that's where the real challenge for the former president here. >> but she mentioned go ahead. you don't make an ax murderer. you're cooperator to prove a jaywalking case. >> and that's sort of where we're at i mean, they've taken somebody and he's got all this baggage and all this stuff and he can't keep his mouth shut even during the trial. and they put him forward to prove basically a documents case. and i think that may hang with your angry with you you know, you've got somebody in your prosecuting, el chaco and you want for bring in the summer that's cut off heads and sold drugs and carriers, guns and all that as your cooperating because that's the one closest to the organization you may have to do it remember the hell's angels or whatever it is. but here, you know, you're using a guy that is so compromised. i thank and they had to spend their whole case trying to pre habilitation him

to clean him up if i just guy who the foreign president chose to him by his side for 20th but that's, that's actually i mean, that's the point when it comes to the optics of how the jury sees this and how would they are taking in michael cohen, maybe they don't know everything, but i mean, for everything that michael cohen has said about donald trump, donald trump has said about michael cohen. >> they've shown those tweets to the jury as well. well, we're donald trump criticized michael cohen for doing what paul manafort did not. the fact that paul manafort went to jail and saying that he would not flip and talking on michael cohen did and saying no one should retain the legal services of michael cohen, will donald trump did retain the legal services of michael cohen for ten years and we're talking about payments that he made to michael cohen at the heart of this. i also think the other thing that todd blanche got into and i'm sure we'll get more into it. speaking of how much he made off of his books and after the post-presidency are not being in the white house, it's not clear how the jury will take that. it's not like trump as a normal defendant while we've talked about trump's wealth and how it's overstated. he is still a

really wealthy person. and so it's not clear that this jury of regular people is seeing michael cohen and stormy daniels making money as this great sin against counting against them, given donald trump's wealth, john wooden more did cohen sandi about trump's involvement with the payments he said it was pretty direct and this was in the direct examination in the morning where susan hoffinger continue and you'd watch he did yesterday. >> we have an exchange here about the payments to stormy daniels, which was ground they covered yesterday, hafez, your says why in fact, did you pay that money to stormy daniel's cohen says to ensure that the story would not come out, would not affect mr. trump's chances of becoming president united states, often, if not for the campaign, mr. cohen, would you have paid that money to stormy daniel's? cohen says no ma'am. todd blanche issues an objection. the judge overrules that says you can answer. cohen says no, ma'am. than hoffinger asked at who's direction and on whose behalf did you commit that crime? >> and then cohen says on behalf of mr. trump, i do wonder if that gets to the point you bring up michael,

you're talk about that in a second. >> i just want to very quickly say they also gotten the direct examination into the oval office visit, which is something caitlin been talking about for some time, or cohen says i was sitting with president trump and he asked me if i was okay in the oval office. he asked me if i needed money. i said no. all good. he said because i can get a check and i said no. i said i'm okay. he said. all right, just make sure you deal with allen as an allen weisselberg and hoffinger asks, did he say anything about what would be forthcoming to you? cohen says yes, it will be a check for january and february, and then at that point in time, you had not yet been reimbursed for the payments you had made history daniels cohen says, no, ma'am. >> this is a perfect example of what temidayo and michael were just talking about that meeting. the fact that that meeting occurred is corroborated 5,000 different ways. there's emails, there's texts, there's there's testimony from madeline who is the secretary outside the oval office? no question that meeting happened. no question when it happened, but as to what exactly was said, that's really just michael cohen's word. and so he is

corroborated, but he's not all the way corroborated. the jury, they can't get around the fact that the jury has to put some faith in michael cohen's word a especially about the purpose of the payments. i mean, that's that's very important part of this case is that did this money was it a reimbursement? i think there's a lot of proof about that, but also the records, the business records that are allegedly false they have to trust colon that cohen that that trump knew the records were false. that's really on colon and that's a big part of the confirm and thanks very much, katelyn. i'll just question how the jury will take all this coming up with jury consultant gives his take on michael cohen's crosses oh, yeah meir's tickets from your inner child. >> what you really need life is some freakin torque was dodge

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did the jury react to his cross-examination? my next guest says cohen might have even come across as likeable and delivered one line, the jury will remember forever by saying, quote, i was knee-deep into the cult of donald trump join his now for nanos to biel, a jury and trial consultant and attorney as well. how do you think cohen did today? >> i give him an a as a witness, given the baggage that he's coming onto the witnessed in width if you just took that baggage and you gave it to any witnesses, an okay. go testify. he did, as well as he's gonna do. i don't give him as a person. i mean, i don't think anybody wishes that he did all of those things are set, all those things. but having done that and now taking the witness, then he did great. he didn't fight. he took the punches he needed to punch and i think he came of credible. do you think the defense in their cross-examination, i mean, the way todd blanche started it out, do you think it played well with a jury? i don't i don't know that i would have started making it about me and now we saw with judge said right at the sidebar, but it's very hard to sit here and grade

another lawyers paper when you're not in his position? i thought he did a reasonably good job. he made the points you need to make. but michael cohen was absolutely excellent. he was very well prepped. i loved the line that it sounds like something i would say because it really takes the wind out of the cross-examinati on. he's not arguing with them. he's not saying i don't remember. that makes the lawyer put it in front of him. then he says it's all i do remember. the jury gets annoyed with that. he handled that perfectly. that line for shore was scripted by his lawyer. he didn't come up with that, but it was the perfect line, but that's our density about that line is it sounds like something he might say, and it sounds like such a throwaway casual thing, but the idea that has been scripted out ahead of time you worked on that line. >> they worked on that because it's like no responsibility, right? >> yes. but it's like, well, it sounds like something was the perfect yeah. >> and it also blends no matter how hard somebody comes at you with that it's just absorbs it and blend. >> that's why it's perfect. but you know, at that moment at the beginning, when todd blanche did ask those questions, they were stricken from the record.

>> the questions and the answers. but i mean, the jury is still hears that, like it's still maybe it's on the record, but it's still in their mind that that happened of course, anything that gets said in court, even if it gets stricken, even if the judge instruct the jury disregard that. >> of course, if i tell you not to think about pink elephants, that's the only thing that you can think about. >> so i got to the problem though, for blanche's, the first two questions he asked were both objection sustained. it was the question about what did you say these main things about me and then he started asking michael cohen about comments. michael cohen who made publicly about the jury objection. sustained. your credibility as a lawyer matters so much in front of the jury. and the first thing here, the sidebar? no, but they see the result they know the result is objection. sustained. you don't want to go over two, right. are not the point that that ellie and i were were were just discussing about it's one thing to hate donald trump. >> it's another thing to be campaigning for a conviction and a jail sentence when you are testifying in the trial, that might lead to a conviction

and jail sentence. >> i mean, isn't that a level of bias that is bigger? >> then even worse, that then you can imagine, i mean, hundred percent terrible judgment, terribly out of control but given that you did those things, he handled it as well as he could have handled it. but you're absolutely right. i mean, what what a disaster to be doing, things like that and how out of control and see that is lawyers can't control on the prosecutor. nobody can control this guy. but he did well, how does he get an a in that case? >> i mean, because doesn't that just call into question everything? to add a curve? >> it does, but the way he answered questions, the way he presented himself, the way he maintained his cool and his calm, the way he didn't fight, the way he didn't try and deflect. that was all absolutely spot on have you ever seen a witness with that much in that obvious a personal animus towards the defendant. >> i mean, look, the one thing you don't have in this case is that he doesn't have a cooperation agreement. yeah. so as you know, somebody with a

cooperation agreement, arguably has equal, if not more bias, if they're trying to get out of jail, he's not playing any kind of get out of jail now, free card, which when you're crossing a cooperating, that's where you hammer them. you don't want to go to jail. you're you will say anything to avoid jail time. they don't have that, but blanche did hit on that because he said the first time you approached the manhattan de a your three months into your sentence. >> you had three years and so he did make the argument that you are trying to maybe work your way out a little bit early, but you're right. i mean, ordinarily you have someone's looking at a monster sentence and the cross-examination is your only way out is through this witness stand is through pleasing these guys, the prosecutors, that dynamic is only very subtly present with michael collin, but on the flip side, you have a guy who i would argue has a greater incentive, which is entire identity. he is consumed by hatred for the defendant. i've never seen that type of personal hatred and personal lusting for the person to go to jail. like i've seen in this case. but the one thing i will say though comparing i think look at michael cohen as a person worth thinking about other cooperators and other

witnesses to this jury, they're thinking better human story, and i do wonder, is there a space here where they're seeing the times where they have been loyalty so someone and they've been back stabbed and seeing michael cohen as someone who perhaps he has his betrayal inside of him, but he has a reason for that. and i do wonder, is there a connection to be made there just because that did get drawn out he stood by the former president the former president, and he's now the one who's paid the consequences. so yes, it's not good for our jury system. we started good for it system of justice, but it is a human story. i think some people will connect with i agree. >> he, he made himself very relatable in that way that he was so loyal to donald trump and he was so hurt. and he's now trying to right wrongs that he did. i thought the line cult of donald trump was tremendous. that line will be remembered forever. it's one of the greatest lines, but he did, he did really hurt the defense here in other ways. i mean, he said he did ten hours of work in 2017. now remember the defense opened that these were

legit legal fees. i think we've seen a mountain of evidence that they weren't how are they getting out of that? you promise things to a jury. they promised it multiple times. their opening, they are going to be eating that on summation unless they call some witness to try and justify these $35,000 a month paton. we're going to answer that though. he did say they did ganim say well, i get work for the family and they got i thought there was actually a decent bit of testimony that todd blanche elicited. >> he said michael cohen was paid $350,000 a year basically every year leading up to 2017, plus a bonus. so the argument is it wouldn't have been that outrageous or that notable to now suddenly be paying him 35,000 bucks a month, which comes out to four 20 per year. but the question is, if, what if that's what six in their mind that testimony that that blends elicited or where there was an hour this morning, were the prosecution walked michael cohen, we saw every single chip tech of the 11 checks that donald trump signed for him, michael cohen had to read the invoice that he sent to allen weisselberg. >> he showed the truck the check that donald trump sign donald trump jr. eric trump as well. and every time michael cohen said that was a false

envoys, it was for no legal and they have that document and weisselberg handwriting, which ics blaine's how they came to the $35,000 a month, which again, the prosecution's evidence fits together. and what i'm waiting for in the defense is how they're going to attack it. in a way other than stormy daniels is terrible. michael cohen is terrible. >> now what is what is the what is the alternative explanation for these facts other than what i mean put forward since these you have michael cote, you tomorrow, there's no court. >> so the jurors have michael cohen in their minds going into a de and they don't have testimony and then there's gonna be testimony on thursday. michael cohen will be on the stand, and then friday, there's no courts michael cohen is going to be very present in this jurors mind tomorrow and all through the weekend? >> yes. so strategically, what the defense wants to do is kinda run out the clock on thursday. they want to keep michael cohen on the witness stand. you might see todd blanche slow rolling it. just

to get there because before that reason because they want because then there's gonna be some distance and there's gonna be a three-day weekend because there's no court on friday. michael cohen fades a little bit and then i don't know what the defense case is going to be. they say they're going to put on an expert witness. i don't know expert as to what i mean. they've created a situation where they're disputing that these were reimbursements, they're saying they were legit legal fees. that is the factual battleground. that the defense has established. so i don't know what experts but they say they might or did they say that they definitely he says that he had dissipated tablet, said twice he and his weight's going until the end of day on thursday, which means that our monday though, michael cohen would still technically be on the witness stand if the prosecution wants to do the redirect, the question is, is if they don't feel like todd blanche then all that effective. if the prosecution does that much redirect with michael cohen, they may or todd blanche might calculate let me stop it an hour before the end of the de, let them do you want are you going to try and end with michael cohen on thursday if you can, you don't want him back on monday. but i think

that's how it's going to be hand either a quick power move that prosecutors do once in a while with a cooperator after a long aggressive cross, if you feel good about it as a prosecutor, that you would have stood up when the judge goes. okay. mr. thuban redirect, you just stand up and go? no redirect, your honor. it's like we're good. >> i don't think they're gonna do that here. >> yeah. no, i don't think it signals to the jury he didn't he didn't hurt but a short redirect often accomplishes the same thing if you want to clean that up, but, but that is definitely a power move. >> and based on at least these first day, i can anticipate the prosecution doing just that ronaldo still fascinated. >> thanks. thanks a lot. really appreciate it coming out. the former president had some political back backup today courthouse, so you can see all seem to share his sense. we come vice for anguish. i'm obsessed with and everybody has to dress identically to weirdness thing and vice presidential hopefuls speaker of the house, why they are all made the pilgrimage to get their clothes. all in the same colors and get down to the pardon next from roger to

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morality to our young people. laughter all right, here in new york, a big fundraiser headlined by the former president co-hosted by the parents of jared kushner. attendees include more contenders for trump's vp pick including centers marco rubio, tim scott, and south dakota governor kristi noem, joining us. to discuss it. cnn senior political commentator, david axelrod she did not bring the dog yes. >> lock up your dog. she says disorder with well what does r0 i mean, it used to be that vice presidential candidates would go to party dinners and they do television in origin. so on to sort of audition for the vice presidency. now they show up in court in support of their candidate, who is on trial for what is on trial for and they're basically carrying his his his words out to the world.

but i'm relieved that speaker johnson is offended by people who don't always tell the truth, the trump campaign released a fundraising video that according to them, were shot inside the courthouse today, larry trump, eric trump appearing it with vivek ramaswamy donald trump himself actually pops up to the end. >> i can give a thumbs up. is that a first a fundraising appeal from a courthouse? >> i would think so, but yeah, i don't have anything to compare it to because we've never had a president who has been on trial in the middle of a campaign either, but listen, it does speak to the place that donald trump is in right now in terms of the republican party, he he is a force he, they think he is doing well in this campaign. these guys want to be vice president. that's why they're turning up. it's a command performance in some ways. and for speaker johnson, look, donald trump basically allowed him to survive. it. he went down to mar-a-lago. he made his peace with trump and trump basically stood down if

he had put his shoulder to the wheel, he could have deposed johnson when marjorie taylor greene did what marjorie taylor greene did or certainly made it harder for him. so he is paying back a dead end and buying an insurance policy on his future tenure as speaker of the house. >> jeff, do you think people like jurors notice who's in the courtroom behind? >> i'm going to speak as a manhattan residents. i don't think a lot of manhattan residents know who mike johnson is or what he looks like. so i don't think that wasn't actually the courthouse today. i'll he wasn't that he just made like it was going or dance or i to be honest, no. i don't think they notice now, this all made me think of the way the kardashian name became famous was because robert kardashian who was texting a lawyer, but

not really a lawyer, was part of oj simpson's entourage during his trial. and that's how you know, that name became famous. but here i think this is much more of an insight political game to gain favor with donald trump than it is to affect either the jury or even and people in met so trump is doing what trump did before the 2020 election. he is pre spinning a result and they are a betting that effort in delivering a message that this is a political trial, that there's no foundation for it, that michael cohen is a lying repro beit h2s bent on revenge this is all part of what trump does so well, which is two kind of set the terms of the debate. so if things go badly he can say, well, we all know at this about it. can there there are now a party to caitlin? >> you spoke to doug burgum about the trial? because they're let's just play that

when you've got a a judge that donated to joe biden when you've got prosecutors that supported joe biden, when you've got the judge's family members that are benefiting financially as democrat operatives. >> and then when you've got as you just said, on the lead in this whole trial, rests on the credibility of someone who spent three hours morning describing a great detail how we lied to a grand jury, how we lied to a congress, and how he lied in in court cases. and so so this is just a tough thing. i mean, i prosecution's got a tough job to try to build their case on someone who's a serial perjure the one thing that sitting there listening to michael cohen testify, which is of course a you're referring to. i mean, donald trump hired michael cohen so far everything that you just said, i mean, that is the person donald trump chose to be his his personal attorney well, i think yes,

that's true. >> the he did hire them, but i think that you'll win the cross-examination you're going to come out. you heard a glimpse of it this morning that michael cohen leveraged the title that he had. he wasn't even doing work for president trump and he was signing up clients left and right at $4 in revenue leverage that it's actually interesting saying he wasn't even working for donald trump. >> that's part of the prosecution's evidence in the case. i don't think they're going to be calling him doug burgum as a witness. but i mean, it just shows that if you don't know the facts of the case, maybe you shouldn't talk so much. you better be careful. they're going to take that red tie back what's so interesting about this? i mean, the, this is also clearly a tryout for people who either want to be vice president, people like doug burgum, or want to be in the cabinet, or are hoping donald trump will help them with their political fortunes. it wasn't that long ago when doug burgum was challenging donald trump for the republican nomination, he was asked if he'd ever do business with donald trump, but he said no and he said that the reason that was is because he just believes it's important that

you're judged by the company you keep. >> now that he is seeking to be donald trump's vice president, he is obviously out there arguing on his behalf. the other thing that i've also found interesting that we've heard from doug burgum and jd vance who seem to be out vpn each other here is they both criticized the judge's daughter. that is exactly what donald trump is doing when they expanded the gag order to prevent him from doing it. i asked doug burgum if donald trump instructed him to do so, which would violate the gag order. he said no, that he was just here as a volunteer i started to keep harping on this, but we just showed another photo a little wider shot or the one we just showed before that popped up in a red dye. >> that's cory mills of florida, byron donalds, a vigorous obviously it's spreading there are notes written on the back of those yeah data quickly your you've obviously having a lot of experience advising democratic candidates for president. >> if you were advising the democratic nominee right now, would you tell them to go harder on donald trump's

pending legal troubles? put aside this hush money case. i know it has limited appeal, but how about the january 6 indictment? the classified documents, do you think joe biden should be doing more and more aggressively on that? >> look i think that when you look at the people that he needs to get, i think the people who feel strongly about that issue, at least at this juncture, he's getting those people. he may be able to persuade some at the end on this. the people he really needs to get in, the people who are hanging back and aren't as engaged, they're very much motivated by things like economic issues. and i think he has drawing sharp contrasts some of those issues in some ways there's a lot of knowledge about this on that point. the other thing that doug burgum did say that i think does resonate with voters and look at the latest polls from the new york times in sienna is, he said americans care more about their grocery bills and what's happening in that courtroom behind us. >> and that is a point that you don't hear from donald trump often when he comes in thanks to the cameras, but it is something that you have heard from a lot of this report. yeah. listen, i've said from the beginning, if you're sitting around the kitchen too, and i feel strongly about these democracy issues. i think they're very, very important.

but if you're sitting around the kitchen table talking about democracy in the future of practice. you don't have to worry about the cost of the food on your table if you have to worry about that, it's more likely likely the thing on your mind and i think there i've been i've said before i think the president needs to lean into those issues a lot more. he seems more intent on defending his economic performance and getting credit for the good work that he has done in many ways. and not really advocating for people in a tough economy because of the inflation, it would extra and good heavy. thank you. >> next more on the cross-examination of michael cohen and trump's demeanor during it all joined to someone else who was inside the courtroom if you were

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