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form of intergenerational wealth when matt we are family and you can see the rest of that story and others champions for change will air saturday night here at 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn thank you so much for joining us. >> we'll see you were special coverage of trump's trial starting early tomorrow morning for now, seeing a news night that we fill up against the side-by-side comparison that americans desperately need. >> that let's tonight on newsnight good evening. >> i'm abby phillip in new york tonight, a date for must-see television right here on cnn june 27. that is one cnn will host president biden and former president trump or the first presidential debate. it

is the earliest debate in the election cycle in modern history. and it marks an end run essentially around the commission that normally sets the terms and the times of these things happen. the debate echoes history. there will be no audience no opportunity for the crowd to make the venue home field for either trump or for biden and it'll happen inside of cnn's atlanta studios. it's just the moderators, jake tapper and dana bash and the candidates. that's a throwback to 1960 when john f. kennedy's stared down richard nixon and his very sweaty lip this is all what escalated this morning with president biden, daring over on x going full dirty harry, then trump responding then there was an offer and then suddenly a deal it's a sudden surprise series of events that really, i'm not sure anyone could have predicted and injected adrenaline into this campaign that has been virtually paralyzed by courtroom drama,

agitate over israel and it gives americans a chance a chance to conduct their own physicals of each man to take the vitals on the issues that are vital to them for the incumbent, the y and the why so early is pretty clear. he wants to remind americans of their choice, giving them a split-screen and also to avoid incumbent history 1976, gerald ford trailed gerald ford, lost in 1980, jimmy carter trailed jimmy carter, lost 1992. george hw bush. >> the same 2020 donald trump trailed. and then he lost. now the biden campaign clearly has reason to do this, but there is one democrat tonight who thinks that the president should stay far, far away from donald trump? >> i myself would never recommend going on the stage with donald trump, but the president has decided that's what he wants to do. i think

format he has suggesting is a good one. >> my panel is here to discuss this with us, republican strategist joe opinion former senior white house communications age. i'm all simmons. cnn, political analyst, natasha al-furqan, special correspondent for vanity fair, bryan stelter to be fair, the last time donald trump and joe biden sharing a stage, one of them had covid, so say six feet apart or whatever, but is anyone surprised that this is actually happening? i woke up this morning and this was not on my bingo card i am surprised the president put this on the plate today, he called donald trump's bluff downtown, been running around the country saying anytime anyplace, the president said, great, i've got a time and a place. >> let's do it. let's rock and roll injected energy, as you said in your open and injected energy into the campaign, i've been hearing from democrats all day who are excited. they feel like now something's happened and we're ready to pop. >> but i am not convinced that this is actually going to happen i'm not donald trump. >> i mean, like look, cnn gets

a lot of kudos for making this debate happened in the morning getting everybody signed onto it. >> but donald trump has no record of standing by anything that he said. i'm not convinced yet. so me i'll believe it when i see it when you shows up in the studio look, i think that debate is going to happen for a multitude of reasons. >> i think there are arguments for it and against it on both sides. i think that president trump i'm ben republicans believed the sooner we remind the american people that joe biden seems to have a very difficult time. i standing at a podium for extended periods of time, the better i think a conversely, there's the opportunity for joe biden to avoid the proverbial october surprise. the things that pop up late in election seasons at ten two up, and the election calendar and have people thinking about different issues. so ultimately again, there are arguments for, there are arguments against, but i think if you're a republican, if you're president trump, anytime you get, you have at the american people forced, you have joe biden put forth

examples of why he has been successful over the last four years. i think that is an actual challenge that they will accept time and time again. >> i think you have to take control of the narrative. ray, we are looking at poll after poll, headline after headline about how biden is even losing support from the coalition that we expect him to have so even think about it, the dark brand and persona that announced this today. i mean, this is the personality that needs to find hi back against the trump has sort of been bullying him, right? calling them sleepy joe saying he's in a basement. i think about the last time they were together. think about the moment we were dealing with covid. there was so much fear and joe biden was able to hold him accountable. trump for what he didn't do. now, by stepping out now in front, joe biden is setting the terms, doing this debate, where he can show his strengths, where he can talk about policy and donald trump will attack him. he will attack his record, but he's doing biden is doing this in a way that allows him to speak, to not be cut off to not have an audience distract him. i this

to me is a bold step that needed to be taken so you call it, you brought up dark brand and here's what mitt romney says. he says, it would be like two old guys on the muppets on that that's a quote by the way. >> they are on and i think that's a quote from not exactly the most you know, just controversial senator, but it's an image, it's going to stick with us. yeah. >> i'm hopeful that the political laws of gravity have been reaffirmed today, right? >> that yes, these two men will actually debate, by the way, there was a lot of behind the scenes maneuvering to make today happen. >> yeah. these things do not happened. >> i think cnn deserves incredible kudos and also abcabc. you'll have a debate in september both these networks and off something that felt impossible before today, and it's thanks to a lot of behind the scenes work that leads up to this moment. it's also a great responsibility for cnn and for abc. a great moment for the country. i, i don't think the average american has it's watch donald trump's speak for more than a minute or

two at length since he lost the election. so for tens of millions of tune in next month and to see him ranting and raving or whatever he's doing. that's going to be a pretty dramatic wake-up call for the country. >> so here's one of the interesting things we were talking in the open about incumbency this is one of those weird cycles where you have two people who are kind of incumbents in their own way and one of the things in jamal, you probably you probably know this well, when brock obama had his first debate against mitt romney in 2012, it was a disaster barack obama's is generally fairly really good at this debate thing. incumbents have a hard time because they're out of practice. but guess what? it was donald trump. so how does that play out? >> yeah, that's true. when you're the white house, everything is yes, sir. no, sir. how can we help you, sir? there's allowed that that goes on. which kind of gets i think incumbents out of the rhythm of dealing with people in a very direct right way. and donald trump clearly is. yes, sir. no,

sir. mr. trump, everybody always causing mr. trump so we don't know what these two are like when they get there, but here's the thing that's interesting to me. when this debate call went out today, trump responded. he immediately agreed to the terms that biden put on the table. that to me is very interesting because when i was in my 20s, i worked for mickey kantor, who was when a bill clinton's debate negotiators and making cantor would say very clearly, all of these things go into the mix and you've got to decide what's best these are clearly the terms that were best for joe biden and donald trump agreed to those terms immediately. i'm imagining his campaign when they got back after he sent that tweet out, they have to now figure out how to make this work for them because right now it's working for biden. >> he came out and i'm going to do a fox debate two and never was like, what are you talking about? yeah, i was trying to read this up today and didn't yet. >> what was on the table? i mean, some of the things on the table trump i think probably really doesn't want controls over one of your time is up. it's up because the last to beat he was able to kind of try to steamroll over the process.

>> and this is what i mean about being able to eliminate distraction, right? donald trump thrives off the audience. he thrives off the spectacle. well, this is a chance for biden to hit home. the accomplishments that we haven't really been able to talk about because we've been talking about the trump trial and all of these other things. and so he's able to now frame what his success is and challenge president trump to say what your actual vision besides the rants that you have for me? i just want to say quickly, obama, do you remember how he looked in the first debate? and then four years later he looked a little tired, a low war, we saw the grade here. it was like a joke, right? biden can't change his age. he can't change the fact that he's gonna look different and he's going to sound different than he did four years ago, but he does have these policy accomplishments that he can tout to an audience that needs to hear it. >> i mean, just to play the contrarian look, i think that everyone expects that it's going to be a repeat of 2020, that they're going to perhaps

jousting, yelled each other. i don't think that that's what's going to happen. i would encourage president trump to employ more of a rope, a dope approach. the more joe biden talks, the better it is for him. and i think that if you're looking at how president trump got to this place, it will be because the fact that while biden keeps trying to tell the american public that everything is working, that the inflation reduction plan was a success. they are feeling the fact that it has not been as successful as he would like them to believe. and so i think issue by issue forcing joe biden, you have to defend that record without having to use the phrase donald j. trump. i think as he helps president trump and if he abides by the rules that joe biden asked for, and he is unable to get over that very low hurdle. i think you're going to see a continuing of this trend of those voters in those swing states running away from the incumbent joe's run them so brian interests in the commission i'm presidential debates. yeah, this was a knife and the heart. >> yes. >> candidates really sad. it's not happening, right? is it over for, for that condition? do we have to come up with

something to move forward? >> it's certainly over for now. and that was a commission that was around for decades is set up debates. and i think the knife in the heart was in 2020, actually, yeah, the way that that was a disastrous debate biden and trump, i think that was the beginning of the end for this commission. and i think what we're seeing now is a new possible format going forward, where individual networks will compete to win these debates. and that might actually be a better struck and a reflection also of the way that voting has changed which people are voting. so early, we live in this country where elections never end. they go on for years. no one wants it, but it's true. this is a never-ending election. so to have a debate much, much earlier is better for the american pin kudos it's seen in an abc on this point, we've always had to base that. we're wall to wall all the networks carried them at the same time. that's not going to happen this time. east network, we have seoul event. they're night and everybody who wants to watch it to that while brian, you talk about that. i mean, even that pennsylvania senate race, we talked about what so many people had already voted before. obviously, on forced in the center of the fetterman had that on forced it adds

instance. so i think it look at that context. you look at people who said that, perhaps what would have happened, what do you think? think anything that happened with hunter biden is relevant or not that report that came out from the new york post, whether that would have had an impact on how they voted so early debates is good for the public and maybe the commission can have some actual debates for the senate races because i can tell you firsthand people need to know what's going on in those races was a hunter biden outside stormy day get it back to you have been able gentleman. everyone. thank you very much. coming up next, the man who moderated that infamous trump biden, shout fest in 2020 will join me to react to this historic move chris wallace his standing by forest plus breaking news tonight in trump's criminal trial here, what his defense team is planning to do to michael cohen tomorrow on the witness stand during cross-examination. this is new the ups stores, not just

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and president biden gear up for their first debate right here on cnn next month. just to binder of one of the last times that the last two these these two mad last shared a room that was four years ago when trump broke, basically every debate rule, interrupting biden 145 times he do with the reason hundred and 80,000 question and answer. >> if not, none of that is true, it's really president please, to credit it totally discredited. and by the way well, million dollars. >> joe nestor, vice president dollars, that is not true you're really mr. president you it's an open discussion, please you it's a fact. >> well, they're raised an issue. let us print titles the, answer 20 me now is chris wallace, host of the chris wallace show. >> and he's talking to chris wallace chris that was you in

that debate. a video that was an infamous moment back in 2020. there's going to be probably a lot more moments like that. you would think, what do you think is going to happen? then these debates based on the way that we even got to this point today, the two of them going back to back-and-forth about when these debates would happen and who would be participating in them well, first of all, i got to say, i'm just shocked that biden made this this offer today. >> the idea of a debate in june, you talk about early voting, early voting starts in september and there's never been a presidential debates since the first ones and 1964, kennedy nixon debates before september, i frankly think that this was a very smart move by joe biden. you look at the polls this week, particularly in the new york times, he's trailing and five of the six swing states. and if this ark of the campaign continued the way it was biden was on his way

to defeat. but by making this offer, season the initiative here. i think it's a big time opportunity for biden to try to change the dynamics of this debate. and this campaign, depending on how he does in the debate particularly because one of the big issues is biden's the trump argument that biden is out of it, that he's not up to having these debates. biden if he just shows up and handles himself reasonably well, it seems to me that's going to reassure a lot of people who may agree with biden on the issues, but are concerned about his age and competence. >> the other side of that though, is trump and his campaign claiming they wanted to have a debate a month between june and november. i mean, it's not just bluffing know. >> i you know, look, if you believe their theory of the case, which is that joe biden is not competent you want more debates because you figure is

somewhere along the line. he'll slip up. >> he'll show his age and that he has his diminishment, although the biden campaign argues that it's trump, that is showing his age and his diminished capacity. >> but you have more to base there's more opportunity for that. i just think it was a really smart move by biden won to try to change. as i say, the ark of the campaign earlier rather than later. >> so as we saw in that video, the interruptions from trump, that's just how he operates. if you've ever interacted with him as you have on a debate stage on a town hall stage, 144, 45 times in the span of 90 minutes in that debate that you did do you expect that his behavior will be more or less the same or has he changed at any way in terms of how he likes to present himself in that setting? >> oh, i it would be suicidal if he doesn't change how we conducted himself. i think there was a lot of feeling

inside the trump camp that that was a mistake, that he came on way too hot and that debate ended up as unpleasant, as it was. and i was a witness. i was a bystander to the car accident it actually was very significant and trump lost a lot drop four, five points in the polls and never recovered. i think it was a real turning point in the debate. if i were giving trump advice, i would let biden talk because sometimes biden gets himself in trouble. and then i'd counterpunch don't don't make yourself the issue. try to let biden make biden the issue. i think trump thought i'm gonna be able to throw biden off his game. i'm going to be able to get them it didn't work. biden kept his cool and the person who ended up looking bad was trump if he if he does the same thing again, his four yeah. >> i mean, chris, correct me if i'm wrong, was the stand back and standby comment also made in that debate that was just

another example of trump you said that. maybe they actually do want to do all of these debates, but trump has a long history of major gaps in these kinds of settings when he goes with his gut instinct and says things that can hurt him politically i agree. i mean, it's not like there's no lengthen those no, douglas and these debates it they both come with some strengths and they both come with some weaknesses and you're quite right. that was near the end of the debate. and interestingly, a strong moment for biden because i said there's a lot of talk about white supremacy well prepared mr. president to stand on this stage and to condemn the white supremacist movement. and he said, who, who, and it was biden who then said, the proud boys. and it was picking up on biden's comment that trump then said, proud boys, stand back and standby and i think

that that was a real insight into his attitude towards the white supremacists who ended up playing such a a terrible role on january sex. >> so there's also this issue of the studio audience or lack thereof. it would be the first time since 1960 that there hasn't been a studio audience in presidential i mean, personally, i think at this point it's smart perhaps to take it out of the context of public opinion in the kinds of party operatives. what do you think about that i do it too. >> i always felt that the audience was a pain in the neck. some people are said, well, that's going to hurt trump because he plays two a crowd. i can tell you as somebody who's been on that general election debate stage twice and 2016 and 2020 people aren't playing to the crowd. it is a very intense circle there between the two candidates whose, whose podiums are just ten feet apart and the moderator who's about ten or 15 feet away from the two of them. nobody is playing to the

crowd. now the crowd did does get involved occasionally, and the moderator has to play school mom, and turn around and say, be quiet, but i think it's overstated the advantage that it gives either one of them. i don't think either of them are really paying much attention to it. and i think it removes an unnecessary distracting action by just saying as 60, which was just done on a tv stage with the to moderate the two candidates, a host and a bunch of reporters asking questions. i think it's very much a positive for the audit for the millions of people at home who are watching and that of course is the real audience and the real pointed hold the bait. so voters can do some comparison shopping. >> and i would hope that it would perhaps help make it more substantive if there is any sort of audience factor to add that that gets taken off the table. all right, we'll see how it goes. chris wallace. thank you very much. you know, a lot about this stuff bet for better or worse that's exactly.

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impeachment trial. congressmen, good to see you. thanks for joining us tonight. >> great to be with you abby. >> i wonder based on the evidence that you've seen in presented so far in this case, michael cohen is likely to be the last witness for the prosecution. would you vote to convict him if you were on the jury i think that's a tough question. >> i haven't been in the room and i think it's really important to be in the courtroom meant to see all the evidence come in. there are so many little things, little points of corroboration, phone records, things that we don't talk that much about. in public or on television, but make a big difference when you're putting a case together what i will say is that it's a smart move. i think the way that they have organized the witnesses and the way that they have weaved in a lot of the corroborating evidence. now that michael cohen is the last witness, the jury has heard from others and so when michael cohen talks about a particular conference, session, he might have had with stormy daniel's or keith davidson or david

pecker, or the recording. the jury has their testimony in mind so they can see whether or not it matches does up for a witness as you just mentioned, who has been convicted of perjury, who has lied under oath, who has a history of not telling the truth that is essential to be able to use him as a credible witness. do you think they sufficiently proven that donald trump directed these records, these business records, to be falsified, which is really at the heart of the charges that he's facing here. look, i think there's a tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence and michael cohen has testified to the 2017 conversations in the white house the fact that there was the entire karen mcdougal payment as well is strong corroborating evidence that donald trump knew what he was doing with the stormy daniels payment and want did to take

care of it. the fact that they needed to double the amount of money in order to compensate for taxes, income taxes that michael cohen would pay in order to true up the hundred and $30,000 that he paid out of his own pocket is also something that's pretty persuasive, but it is, it is clearly the one area that the prosecution is putting together through a certain amount of circumstantial evidence, number of trump allies have been over at that courthouse, including house speaker mike johnson. >> he stood outside of the courthouse and basically parotid all of trump's talking points about the trial. >> i mean, what does it say to you that the speaker came all the way to new york city to publicly defend this president i mean, other than the fact that it is pathetic that he has to prostrate themselves in front of donald trump by going to new york and spewing his lies. it is just a further

attack on the rule of law, and it is completely inappropriate for a member of congress to try to interfere in an ongoing criminal prosecution. >> you will note there have been no democrats there. we democrats want the rule of law to play itself out. we want the criminal process to work, and that is in a courtroom with a jury of 12 who must unanimously convict any defendant including the former president of the united states. and this is just a constant refrain that we've seen from this republican majority, which is that the rule of law does not apply to die trump. it does not apply to them. it is hypocrisy at its height, and it is truly an attack on our democracy and the rule of law. they should stay in congress. they should do the work for the american people, and they should let the criminal justice the system play itself out. that is what our democracy requires. that is what the rule of law requires. >> and it's shameful and

demeaning for them to go and pay homage to donald trump outside of the courtroom? yeah, of course. putting the business of the american people on hold while they take their trips up to new york, i to visit with trump congressman, i do want to ask you about this. this is interesting to me, at least. >> this is what senator mitt romney said tonight. >> all right about trump and about president biden and i've been president biden when the justice department brought an i would have immediately a pardoned him at harden, president trump why? well, because it makes me president biden. the big guy and the person i pardoned a little guy luck. >> there are few phi republicans who dislike trump as much as mitt romney does. but are you surprised to hear him say something like that? >> well, look, i think mitt romney cares very much about the republican party. i think he cares very much about democracy and institution

institutions that undergird our democracy and certainly that is what gerald before did with richard nixon. >> and he received some heat for it. the problem with doing that for someone like donald trump is that he has never been held accountable and because he's never been held accountable in both impeachments and in multiple lawsuits and other criminal investigations. >> he feels like he's invincible and he's not someone who learns his lesson. he's not someone who says, oh, i just skated past i better correct my conduct. no. instead, he doubles and triples down and whatever he has done before, he will do worse. and what he is planning to do if he becomes president united states again the absolute destruction of our democracy as we know it. and i am not exaggerating. so while it may make a hypothetical sense to be the big guy as mitt romney said. and to pardon donald trump and show that you're bigger than that this is not political. joe

biden has had nothing to do with any of this he's pointed a special counsel immediately after donald trump and now i'm steve was running for president. the other two cases are outside of the justice department, notwithstanding all these allegations of politicisation, there is zero evidence of it. and joe biden as president is correct to allow our rule of law in our system of government to play out for donald trump as it would play out for any other there american. >> and it's, as you noted, i mean, donald trump is unrepentant to say the least. he's actually perhaps emboldened, threatening to do some of the same things over and over again. if he faces the decisions, if he loses the next election, for example, congressman dan goldman, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, abby. >> back in the ussr. well, next daily show correspondent, jordan clapper is on the show about why moscow is always on

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like to see america be more like russia. what do you like about letter recruiting? >> high swatches videos? of course back writing back in the day what's happening in russia is basically a republican wet dream. >> he's a strong, these, he's well-mannered goodness, well lead are rightly knows where the four goes, where the knife goes, which window the journalist goes out jordan clapper joins me. >> now, you were saying that as a joke he did not take it as a jam times humor land differently in the middle of america, get a maga event yeah. i mean, there's just tough guy obsession, i guess with vladimir putin did you learn anything about where this comes from? >> it's really interesting. i think we noticed when we started going out to rallies that vladimir putin was somebody that was avoided for awhile. but over the last handful of months, his name kept coming up over and over again, especially after the tucker carlson interview, people were luck audience. vladimir putin, not only what he did for russia does for russia, how russia looks like

russia became suddenly this gold star for a lot of mogul maga folks, which, which frankly shocked us. this wasn't the party reagan that we were taught to talk to believe that russia is something to be emulated. >> tucker did go into a grocery store and it. was like, isn't this grade, but it is surprising a little bit to me that that has penetrated to the average, i guess trump-supporting voter that very clear message, russia is better than the united states. that's a little surprising. yeah. >> you'd be surprised how powerful sniffing shabbat a role is there was a stat that we read that over over 50% of maga trump voters find vladimir putin to be a better leader than joe biden. and so there is some of this where choosing vladimir putin is just a neg against joe biden. and were they they can take a neg against joe biden. they do it but there's also this element of trump, loving the strong man. we see there's that putin

also loves to be anti woke anti-lgbtq, anti journalists in a way that speaks to this republican base. and that was something we've found compelling. is this just a group of useful idiots been manipulated by vladimir putin? or is there an actual affection there? and then ally ship that people are yearning for. >> do you have did you confront people with facts about what it's really like to be very careful about that yes. >> and brinkley ingredient in there were some people who are more receptive to that so many people reference the tucker carlson interview as the way in which they viewed moscow usually when you talk to people about the facts and what's happening on the ground there. they they go the things that they've seen, what donald trump is told them about vladimir putin. tucker carlson has told them about russia, and those are the things they would often confront me with. so none of the russian history is penetrating to the maga base. >> so one thing that is penetrating is this i'm bit of russian propaganda. listen the russian government, we're pushing this theory, volodomyr

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trust the things or heard about ukraine and not trust the allyship and nato. and that's, that's what had us and a dangerous spot, you feel like it here to stay or is this just the latest tucker carlson inspired fad? i think it'd be nice for truth to shine through. i mean, right now, i think russian misinformation is winning this war. when you see funding for ukraine been stopped by people like marjorie taylor greene, who is somebody who is pushing that theory he's found some real wind here and i think it's only going let's take a more a more stoic, thoughtful, receptive audience to push back on that right now, america is not in the most open space to be a lot easier than i think they thought just inject this right into the bloodstream and the people what they want. they certainly did. jordan clever. thank you very much. the special errors next monday night on comedy central. appreciate you being here and more on the new cnn reporting tonight about what the trump defense team plans to do and cross-examination tomorrow against my cohen, including

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