i've hanako montgomery and tokyo and this is cnn it's thursday, may 16, right now on santa ana swing left, the debates begin. joe biden and donald trump agreeing so face off twice. round one, less than six weeks away, right here on cnn and michael cohen returns to the witness stand, ready to be branded? why are again, by donald trump's defense team plus why don't we, putin and xi jinping are together in beijing pledging to deepen their partnership. >> who need two more all right, 6:00 a.m. here in washington wide look, the white house on this thursday morning, we're almost a friday, everyone. >> good morning. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us it's on joe biden

and donald trump, apparently agreeing on something most ben calendar that neither biden shen and that's unprecedented in modern history. it all came together quite suddenly, i would say on wednesday morning following this challenge from biden and trump lost two debates to me in 20 $0.20 that he hadn't shown up for debate. now he's acting like he wants to debate me again. well, make my day pal. i'll even do it twice. so let's pick the dates i hear you're free on wednesdays oh, okay. >> the former president did not take long to rsvp. he hit back with this job posting. it's my great honor to accept the cnn debate against crooked joe biden, the worst president in the history of the united states and a true threat to democracy on june 27th likewise, i accept the abc

debate against cricket job on september 10 thank you djt. >> it is rather interesting that the biden campaign insisted that one of the rules is going to be they will cut the microphone's to eliminate interruptions if someone talks too long so that they can avoid scenes like this one the question, the question, justice left, would you who is all right. >> had our panelists year former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, jonah goldberg, the co-founder and editor in chief, the dispatch, and mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w bush and to john mccain. welcome to all of you good morning. mark. you've written this about these debates. you say, quote, i view that challenged throat down as a classic master stroke for biden. i know from experience, the most important asset of candidate can have is the perception of strength. the worst thing they can have is the perception of weakness, which is what biden was dealing with until this morning, of course, wrote that yesterday,

is this not also an acknowledgement from the biden team that they were behind and they needed to do something to shake up this race yeah. that's that's how you win elections okay. now is the obvious you get an extra, you gotta tumor, you'd say take the chemo yeah. exactly. >> so what do you think he needs to? they, must be confident that he can actually step up to the plate because this is not without risk, is absolutely high risk, but i think first of all, what's the other option a. that he doesn't debate, right. and that's that's just not an option that would just prolong and extend the notion that biden is weak and afraid to debate donald trump. and he does have a real perception problem. >> about his age, about being frail, about being mentally acute enough to be president. >> so the way to fix that is to get on stage and prove it i mean, there's questions about both of them. and the only way we're going to find out is whether or not they both get on stage. so biden could have avoided this for months and done the classic stand back on the incumbent and phase months of stories of trump hammering

him for refusing to debate. >> well, sorry. yeah. jump in. but the remarkable thing about that, as in trump's social media, he actually lowers expectations on president biden and saying this guy can barely string as sentence again, hundred percent. i'm up against, which is many things in our political lives now, don't follow the playbook anymore, but debate one-on-one is make your opponent seem better than they are. such that managed the expectations going. so people totally totally true with debate. so it's all about expectations and trump is making a classic mistake by lowering expectations i agree with making the mistake and i agree with the entirely this was a very smart move by biden from a position of weakness, but it was a smart move to do the problem with the lowering expectations thing, which i agree with you on on the old earth, logic rules really but earth logic rules the prominent on the pillow goes on rally after rally, talking about how biden is an invalid and all that kind of stuff. he can't all of a sudden what he could

because he's trump, but like it would be weird from two all of a sudden say, but he's a brilliant debate. just say nothing, right? >> he could avoid that one extra line in the tweet that that sort of points out what a bad too, because you're creating an environment where biden walks into the room and doesn't begin drooling upon himself. >> and then as i do think the other factor that was smart about this is because with so much early voting, yeah, you need to tell people earlier about the differences between them because right now the conversation is weirdly not about i'm trump mean that you wouldn't know that from watching any of the cable channels, what this trial going on, but it's really not about trump. it's really about the state of the country and all that kind of stuff and making it a choice rather than a referendum to do at a much earlier, right? >> well, and we've talked about to how age is obviously a dominant theme. it really in many ways is code for weakness when you really dig into the numbers but again, this is what the american people are expecting was. this is how mitt romney put it in an interview

last night, watch this the image that comes to mind as those two old guys on the muppets, you know, that sat in the back that learned walgreens waldorf. >> all right that's what comes to mind. >> but i actually think there'll be a huge audience for these debates so just to remind you who stellar mould are far watch this it looks like to ancient old guys sitting in a theater box watching television crazy, no one would watch junk like that. >> i mean, it's on-point it's on-point now, who staedtler and whose waldorf? >> i don't know. >> how do we identify. the other thing to pick up on jonah's 0.1 of the points raised in the biden campaign's letter to the presidential commission was, these are too late and people start making their decisions let's do, it for. four months before. and the idea that the commission may its memory be a blessing, but the one that i'm sorry no it's fine. no, but the idea that the commission would have

scheduled its first to the presidential commission on debates were scheduled first debate in september, just doesn't track how the country votes. >> now, i will say mark one of the consistent features of every presidential campaign. i have covered in my career is hatred on both sides for the commission on presidential hundred percent. >> and i was there in 2000 we tried to do an end run around the commission and listen the purpose of the commission is a noble one, which is to ensure that there's gonna be a debate and that there are rules established in this case we don't need that because they've agreed to debate and they've agreed to the rules. so c a commission. >> we're going to talk more about nobody cares about the commission. >> the commission, commission itself nobody is either march i'm not going to watch it because it's the commission does not at the end. >> and i think that campaigns know that right at the end of the day, all people want to do see this. >> you guys on stage. all right. coming up next? here. republican senator mitt romney, we played you a little bit of what he thinks about the debate there, but we're also going to show you what he said about his thoughts on pardoning donald trump plus democratic senator john fetterman. join me live to discuss his new mental health

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justice department brought on indictments, i would have immediately a pardon to add a pardon, president trump why? >> because it makes me president biden. the big guy and the person i pardoned a little guy. >> and of course, romney is not just any student sitting senator, as we mentioned, he was a republican presidential nominee in 2012 and is perhaps the sharpest gop critic of donald trump in the senate. he voted to convict him not once but twice in two impeachments all right were you surprised to hear me say this? and he wasn't directly asked about whether trump he would've done something like this. it's it's sort of remarkable thing, especially as the supreme court is now weighing should trump be immune from all this. >> yeah, i mean, i've only heard the clip that we played here, but this was talked about a lot traditionally, you're supposed to accept your guilt. if you accept a pardon, right and i've always thought this would make immense sense if it kept trump from ever running again. if he just said, here's

the deal, your pardon? my left bank. my left base will hate me for this they hit the same way. people hated gerry ford but if it keeps trump out of politics and spares at all of this, it would have been a no-brainer to me, but that wasn't necessarily myths rationale there. it was much more of a political thing, maybe in the fuller context he's got other reasons. >> it's interesting the mentioned gerald ford and its president texas hasn't ever appointed, but very sexy, but bringing back his pardon nixon to unite the country and part of the rationale is, yes, this guy did horrible things, but there will be so much unrest on the other side if we don't pardon him, therefore, it's worth department. >> okay. fine. whatever that that's a defensible de the problem is that he goes on to say that biden should have also pressured new york prosecutors to not bring their cases and that's disgraceful. there's there's pressuring prosecutors, but i think it's an interesting notion, but i think you have to let some of the evidence in the trial play

out for them. what do you pardoning for romney did kind of office for a little bit more of an explanation of what he was going for here. >> let's watch that we may not have that. >> do we have that mommy get resolved before the election? >> it's not going to have an impact before the election. and frankly, the country doesn't want have to go through prosecuting a former president i think the american people have recognized that president trump did have an inappropriate affair with someone who was a porn star. i think they realized that then they realize he took classified documents. he shouldn't have and didn't handle them properly, that they understand that as well that they realize he's been lying about the election in 2020 they know those things so johnny, he seems to be saying it would be better for the country to avoid this which, you know what do you think based on his or an explanation, it's very difficult to run through the full contra factual, right. but like look i think everyone get

trump and a lot of people get the causality backwards when they talk about how these trials are election interference. and again, i don't like the brags trial i think it shouldn't have been broad, but yeah the the causality is it's trump ran for president as an act of judicial interference, right? he announced so early, so as to make it more difficult to prosecute them, they're not he's not being prosecuted and make it difficult for him to run for president and avoiding all of that. if romney's theory would a work that i've been fine with it? >> it just reminds me that romney would have made a great president. it was a terrible candidate that cut. he governs are really well. it's the right approach is the right ideas, the right now. yeah. i mean, i covered that campaign from the press plane and mitt romney has certainly come to play pretty unique spot in our system in a donald trump driven world. but i think a lot of people have learned a lot about a man who was very differently viewed on the campaign trail and he is

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morning to you. thank you so much for being here what is the overall goal here. and what are the implications for the west good morning, casey. >> i think first and foremost, it's about this idea of mutual admiration for each other from a military standpoint, from a political standpoint and from a strategic standpoint. and that was very obvious today. we've been watching these images come in. there was this red carpet welcome for vladimir putin. there has been so much military pageantry, but let's make it clear. this is not a visit, just between vladimir putin and xi jinping and to show off this no limits partnership between china and russia this is very much a way to snub the west and the united states, especially as china really tries to assert itself as this leader in a a new world order of sorts of way of viewing the world than the

west on this topic of ukraine, which is of course at center of so many of these observations. it's the fact that xi jinping and china has not condemned the war in ukraine it is saying that it's a neutral observer and all of this infect xi jinping is calling for his talks are has suggested that at one point, in fact, i heard from one source here on the ground and mainland china who suggested that qizan pink very much would like to be a peace negotiator between russia and ukraine. so in many ways, this is also tilting to a beneficial relationship. four china with all of that said, if vladimir putin did not travel alone, he brought top military advisors with him. he brought top security advisors with him. so this is going to be very much an involved conversation between all these different parties. not only about the war with ukraine, but also the worldview and the conflict in

gaza. i should also point out, casey, of course it is evening now, here in china, it's thursday and the two men will celebrate this relationship, 75 years of diplomatic ties between china and russia at a gala that is set for this evening here in beijing all right, marc stewart for us and beijing, mark, thanks very much for that report all right. 23 minutes past the hour are five things you have to see this morning. dashcam video of a crash that almost caused a semi-truck to drive off of a kentucky bridge driver tried to avoid a swerving car and the truck ended up dangling over the ohio river she was eventually rescued by a firefighter. thank goodness. >> right wing israeli protesters khan video here ransacked in humanitarian aid trucks heading to gaza, stomping on boxes of food at a checkpoint in the west bank the un has alerted of a looming famine in gaza fast exit for

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that trump seemed to doze off as his nemesis faced cross-examination. this is supposed to be the final stand off with his worst enemy and trump is asleep reminds me of this climactic confrontation from star wars. you can't win strike me done. >> i should become more powerful than you can possibly imagine my favorite things in a single clip, politics and star wars can't resist that. >> when michael cohen returns to the witness stand in just a few hours, we understand that the defense is going to be trying out a new strategy, calling call it the liar, liar pants on fire approach. sources telling us here at cnn at the defense defense plans to try to drive home the point that cohen is a convicted liar because they were unable to achieve a gotcha moment during tuesday's cross-examination. trump attorney todd blanche tried at some points and tuesday, he brought up lives that cohen told to special counsel robert mueller's investigators when they interviewed him in 2018,

blanche asking cohen if molars team questions ginned him about the trump moscow project. and he said, you lied to them, right? cohen replied, yes, the information i gave was not accurate. blanche responding. so it's not accurate is not accurate information to lie. cohen says sure todd then asked, do you recall lying about anything else or were you only lying about that are being inaccurate, whichever word cohen. i don't know rudy giuliani, former prosecutor, was calling for this liar, liar strategy against cohen from the very beginning, six years ago, before molars team even interrogated cohen much he's destroyed himself. chris, as a witness i prosecuted 5,000 cases. >> i'd never prosecuted case on this guy's testimony. he's contradicted so many times that i mean, you begin your cross-examination by saying which set of eyes you're going to tell us today, michael, let's go through them now. >> all right. at panels back, elliot williams todd blanche, is he was he the right person

to do this because i sort of i don't understand why they have to change strategy to do this now on their second day of cross, after they didn't seem to be able to accomplish it in their first attempt. it's hard to know todd blanche is a great, they're all great attorneys on the team. let's be clear, there they have experience in court experiences former prosecutors that all make sense now, going after the liar, liar pants on fire strategy, strategy is really out of the textbook for how one would typically cross-examine a witness. you even if the witness has given testimony that's believable so far and try and he as the witness still has prior convictions for lying and one of the things that they could have started out with, but was by saying you lie to your wife, you'll add to the irs, you lied to congress. you why did you lie to the federal authorities? is there anybody you haven't lied to? why should this group of people even believe what you're saying today and that may actually be the strongest thing they could do with him because his testimony otherwise has been quite compelling. you just attack is credibility and hope

that that plant something and at least one juror's mind isn't most of his lying in the service of donald trump, though it is. >> and he said that quite directly on the record that i did this for the my job, my wife for donald trump, and in fact, even when he was wasn't saying it, he was saying it because questions they were asking about his relationship to the trump organization they spent days building this skeleton of a case around how donald trump favors loyalty and relies on his people and so on. so it's clear that this is all in furtherance of donald trump and to your point, frankly, if you talk to michael cohen he will say that everyone should know that i was doing this to benefit donald trump. and so perhaps that sticks with the jury as well. >> so one of the other questions, of course, is who's going to show up for donald trump today? this was what romney had to say in that mitt romney had to say in that interview he did last night about all of the supplicant. >> i guess, unclear at politicians who have paraded to

the courtroom and defensive donald trump, watch romney think it's a terrible fault for our country to seek people attacking our legal system that's an enormous mistake i think it's also demeaning for people to quiet apparently, try and run for vice president by donning the red tie and standing outside the courthouse it's just i felt awkward where i one of those individuals classic romney understatement yeah, i find the red tie thing creepy. i remember a friend of mine coming back from the 2017 cpac. >> there they are. and he was like, yeah, it's all over all the all the college kids, all college bros. they're all wearing dark suits with ties that go past their crutches and he's like trump's one. he's taken over winter, rest like donald trump that no, it's creepyit's like, i mean, it's it's it's like an identical i mean, mark like it's unmistakable yeah. >> and that's its fealty to

trump. that's what it's all about, and that's the coin of the realm for anybody in trump's republican party is to show absolute loyalty. start by dressing ligand and looking like him the vec needs collar stays. he does he does to the question of what's been proven or what's not in the trial would be great to ask each of these people, do you believe or not that he paid off a porn star after having sex with her, right. and no one's really disputing that central fact. now there's other questions about was it a felony? hello. and he was the campaign next is can you prosecute him and send him to jail for it? but but yeah, i we'll leave aside, but there's no one that's not in dispute except the one person is denying it is donald trump. he's not taking the stand, which is his right. every witness that has come forward and the common sense says that this happened, yet they're still rallying behind that as their cause? and it's i mean, i think the point is that the point that underscores trump's very existence, which is yeah, it all happened. we expect that

from him and it doesn't matter to me and is that where we it seems like that's where we are right. >> all right. >> so let's turn to this different story. it's commencement speech season, and that is, of course usually an opportunity for community leaders to i mean, some of them. >> let's let's be honest, some people have lots of cliches, but they're usually very heartwarming, shooting for let's star has never give up. but then there was this one, harrison butker, the kicker for the kansas city chiefs, took a different route. >> the three-time super bowl champ is facing backlash for a speech that he gave at benedictine college over the weekend. watch some of this i think it is, you, the women who have had the most diabolical lysed to you. how many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage? and our thinking about all the promotions and titles you're going to get in your career some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but i would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

i'm on this stage today, enabled to be the man i am because i have a wife who leans into her vocation an embrace, one of the most important titles, vole, homemaker, part of what plagues our society is this lie that has been told to you that men are not necessary in the home or in our communities? as men, we set the tone of the culture, be unapologetic in your masculinity fighting against the cultural emasculation of men so the nfl put out a statement. >> they said this quote, harrison butker gave his speech in his personal capacity. his views are not that of an nfl, of the the nfl as an organization, the nfl is steadfast in our commitment to inclusion, which only makes our league stronger i realize i'm the only woman at this table for the record, i don't think any of you are unnecessary you don't really set the tone for don't ask my wife that, quite what to do the thing is so

stunning to me about this is it just feels like such a huge step backwards in our culture. >> and i interviewed john bolton one time and he said something that really struck me, which is he said mark, there is no arc to history, progress is not guaranteed. and that's desk restructuring, but i keep thinking we're so past this and yet here we are again, like in the back, in the 50s. >> here's there are people who hold those views in america and no comment. >> here's a line that also struck me along all of this abortion ivf surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as growing support for degenerative cultural values. and there are people, one linking ivf to euthanasia asked on par and two, there are people in that audience. i'm certain even at benedictine university, who've had abortions, who have had who have ivf four or whatever else.

and the idea that is wagging a finger at them is equally troubling. >> a look, it just kind of a smorgasbord thing, right? >> i mean, he also said that there's some bill in congress that would ban biblical explanation about who killed jesus. i mean this, this, there's something for everybody in here right now. and i think it's one of these things where there's a certain sort of those are reactionary kind of pushback that comes up, that bubbles up, that is amplified on social media in ways that in the old days, it would've been much more difficult to do this kind of thing in public, but would have stayed with the audience that it was intended for, which i mean, it was a conservative catholic audience. and i also do want to say, i don't think anyone is saying that this table is saying that people who there's an incredible amount of work that goes into running a household. and if that's what you end up doing, that is incredibly, it is admirable and it is fine. i think the disconnect is that he's giving this speech to a bunch of women who are graduated from college about to go out in the world with all of these various

opportunities and to say to any of them, if they're if they're top goal is not what he says. he thinks it is, which is getting married and having children that that's not admirable there were some female sports reporters who reacted to this. the former nfl sideline reporter, lisa grow hay, nfl if you want to continue to grow your female fan base and any other marginalized group has straight white men are already watching your product come, get your boy i liked nfl network's jayne slater. she said harrison butker, three words, bless your heart and then there was this from broadcast or jackie remal, it's disgusting. he's up there in front of women who quite obviously have career aspirations and telling them they should only be one thing and lean into that. unlike men who can wear many hats without issue, of course i mean, i have a daughter, gianna, you have a daughter this message i'll do everybody else all and the message for them stick to kicking harrison. what the amazing to that, to that point,

think about the us women's national soccer team that was probably as dominant as anyone has been in any sport the month they started talking talking about equal pay, everybody said, oh, shut up and dribble, you're just politicizing and don't care. i do think it's important point to be made here is that young men are in real crisis in this country, right? there have real prompts. women are starting to thrive and the backlash that you've got, the resentment that you get with the young men is that it makes this kind of stuff really attractive because it explains why they're having their problems and it's a bad story to tell young men all right up next here, we are going to remember the ones prominent political institution that seems to have gone the way of the dinosaurs as of yesterday plus democratic senator john fetterman is here to talk about how he hopes to help millions of americans struggling with their mental health spotlights 12th tie in years changing the world intimate. >> look at how these champion make the world a better place. champions for change, all this

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i stopped engaging some of the most things that i love in my life. >> all right, democratic senator john fetterman joins me onset now. senator, very nice to see you. thanks for being here. >> it's readily or yeah, you're doing this with senator tina smith, who also came forward and talked about her own struggles with mental health. >> how do you think what you're planning would help others and it also, it's something that people still seem to feel the need to keep to themselves. a lot of time. and you have really set an example in talking about it. how has that changed your life and how do you hope it will change other people's lives? >> yeah. well, we want to make it a national conversation as well, and it's got to be bipartisan because it is now, it's not just a red county or a blue county it's for everybody. and if if it's not, you, it's probably someone that you know, are you love or you work with or whatever the needs that kind if a conversation and just yesterday, i had a two student groups of visiting him, my

office and two people referred they'd like, yeah, your your conversation last year helped me and i decided to get help and that's the reason why i'm doing that's why i'm happy to be here today to just say, hey, we have to normalize that and it's okay to have those feelings, but it's really important to go out and get help do you think some of this is generational? let's i mean, you're honestly one of the younger members of the senate and augusta body though it maybe yeah well oh, old, young, young does reeling. it's very relative in our town but i will say that it's an important conversation when i first signed into the walter reed, i thought this could be possibly the end of my career on that, or it'd be very damaging, but after that, i got very lucky. i was able to get help and was able to get better so i wanted to pay it forward and i wanted to take that platform that i have to talk about it for everybody. and where it's a

judge in texas she visited and she said, hey, it was your conversation. i got getting help and i've met people regularly in here that so it's a national conversation and i'm just grateful to be here today because a little over a year ago, i have emerged from walter reed and i'm going to be talking about this so one of the things that can be really challenging for people who are trying to address this is insurance coverage. >> it's hard to get for mental health challenges. how would what you're doing today try to help that? >> it must be so difficult. i was i was very fortunate i was able to turn the walter reed and of course that's all going to be a lot of people so but we need to expand those resources. and also there must be pretty hard to even if you have insurance for that is to get on the docket for a therapist to talk to people as well? so i think we really need to address all this again, and that's why having it in a national perspective, not just the state

one or local i think we need to make sure that is part of health overall. so it's not separate mental health and physical health. it's all just part of overall health so senator, we had some news earlier in the show about senator bob menendez of new jersey, who is now on trial and we're learning he was missing yesterday and then i have the same set a trial panels here is still sitting here laughing as well. they see it. the defense seems to be saying that his wife was doing these things without his knowledge. your reaction? yeah. yeah. no, he was wondering like, how could i be more sleazy? it's like, oh, i can blame the life and then i found out that he had a twin. so now it could be very novel they could say, well, that's actually the wife and my twin i'm going to why do you think democratic leaders won't be, won't call for him to step down in a stronger way i don't speak for anyone else, but i've been clear back in september that he has he's entitled to have a day in court like he's

having right now, but he doesn't have the right to remain in the senate. >> but now that we're at night and we're going to find a how this shakes out. but, but it's been very clear that it's a lot of troubling kinds of evidence. and now even expanded just the gold bars in the mattress and the cash. it's now he was a credibly accused of being a foreign agent for egypt and qatar. and those are parts of the negotiations for the hostages in gaza. and how can this guy get a classified brief? i don't know why. anyway, he could get but that you're from a swing state pennsylvania we were different jerseys in terms of our most important pennsylvania politics, your sheets guy. i'm a wah-wah girl. >> i'm on the right side i think i'm on the right side but you know. >> okay. >> well, we can set that aside and continue this conversation. >> but we wanted yesterday the president biden is agreed to debate donald trump. was that the right call? and what do you

hear from voters on the ground in pennsylvania? this is a very close race. why is president biden basically? >> it's been a conversation. i been having for eight years back in 2017 was my first campaign. it's like something's happening with trump, his connecting with people, and then of course it did in 2016, i've been saying that in 2020 that it's going to be very competitive. i've been close and that's what it was. and that's the same conversation that we're having now in 2024 trump is and i don't understand it necessarily why, but he's very popular in pennsylvania and it's going to be close and competitive and more than things that are going on right now. i don't think it's going to have the kind of impact on that people have to decide, do i want to very stark choices here and it's going to come down to a very close election. >> all right, senator john fetterman. thank you very much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate it. you're never going to win me over and she'd sorry. >> how well will and all the steelers too. i hope i'm an eagles fan. >> gobert's oh, no, that

microaggression you. >> very much for being here. i really appreciate it. >> all right. >> 53 minutes past the hour here is your morning round up. the supreme court delivering a win to civil rights groups and democrats or ordering the state to use a congressional map that includes a second majority-black district. many see this as an opportunity for democrats to net a district in the deep red state classes today are remote at uc irvine staff has been told to work from home as well as police continue dispersing the last remaining protesters from an encampment on campus a new bill in florida, changing the state's energy policies. and in some instances, deleting entire sections of state law that talk about climate change. this comes as florida is dealing with rising sea levels and record temperatures all right, now this we gather here today to say goodbye to a once venerable political institution. tuition. but commission on presidential

debates. >> the commission past away doing what it loved, facilitating presidential and vice presidential debates for nine alive section cycles. only to meet its maker after president joe biden and former president donald trump circumvented it. we should note that the commission disputes it's time of death. they are still ready to plan and debate. they say they left us though, with countless memorable soundbites and moments you're no jack kennedy is political patronage. >> i went to a number of women's groups and said, can you help us find folks and they brought us whole binders full of women i'm so such a nationally west fund. would you and we will all be haunted by the ghost to frustrated moderators past sir where's let's have the moderator of this debate? and i would like you to let me ask my question our own chris wallace in lieu of flowers. >> we ask that our viewers please tune in to the cnn

presidential still debate on june 27th. la, we'd be watching i just i wish i told it i loved it when it was still here. >> the commission, we have so much unresolved feelings over our life together mark, can you explain why it is the campaign's hated the commission so much and like because it literally was this feature every time debate season came around when i was covering these campaigns of fighting with this commission that has a very noble purpose. >> let's be clear and a lot of people did a lot our work to bring these debates to the american people, but it clearly wasn't working. >> yeah, i mean, i remember in 2000 during bush's presidential can i'm paying, we fought very hard to go around the commission and got hammered for that but the reason we thought against it and other campaigns do is it's so constricting a dictates when, where and how you debate. and in the modern era and today. as i mentioned earlier, the purpose of the commission was to ensure that there our debates and that there's some agreement to the rules in this case. we have two

guys who agree to debate and they've agreed to the rules. so rest in peace i think it'll be back. >> what is dead may never die i don't you think that right? >> it's not, it's not done yet know it's going to have a half-life. first of all, commissions don't disappear. so it'll be around the cockroaches after the nuclear bomb. it's never going oh, i'm in three days will it will the rock roll from the tomb? and what would emerge we keep making as erection jokes all day. we there's a lot we can do here. >> so let's dig into what's going to be different about this and why president biden and trump were both willing to agree to this jonah, because they have agreed on a set of rules, one of which is that the biden team really wanted the microphone's to cut when the time was up we showed that moment where biden basically told trump to shut up on the last debate stage. >> they were very, very frustrated by that. how's that going to change the experience plus the lack of a live audience? yes, i think the lack of a live audience is the really important one.

>> it's something i've wanted for, you years, i think live audiences are really distortive of the experience of how people process political information and the live mike thing. it's funny, everyone in your setup earlier the hour, you're talking about how this live mic thing would prevent moments like this where biden says, will you shut up, man, and the weird thing is, will you shut up man was probably biden's best moment in that debate because he was speaking for a lot of people. so you never know how that's going to actually play. i have a recommendation on that idea what they're trying to do is we limit the ability for somebody to step on the other person's opportunity to speak and do two filibuster the time why not penalize the person who's doing that and give that time at the end of the debate to the person who's time was taken away, kinda like in soccer, where you have the extra time yeah. >> it's an interesting, it's an interesting thought. we actually have a chris wallace talked about how frustrating this was for him. let's watch that i always felt that the

audience was a pain in the neck some people are like, well, that's going to hurt trump because he plays to a crowd. i can tell you as somebody who's been on that general election debate stage twice in 2016 and 2020 people aren't playing to the crowd. it is a very intense circle there between the two candidates whose, whose podiums are just ten feet apart. and the moderator one thing i will also say, when you cover covering a presidential debate from inside the hall, when you were experiencing it as a member of the audience doesn't tell you a thing about what's actually happening. >> intubate because you, everyone and americans consuming it on television and you miss all of that. >> and really, what tends to matter is how people talk about it. the next stay on that day after the whether it's the write-ups or the articles are the recaps and that's when people think about the key moments. often they weren't what they felt in the moment. it's what they read about it the next day for sure. >> all right i will leave all of you with this there's three or four people around me are

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