have any regrets about the relationship did you say you had with them? back then? yeah the only regret i have about the relationship that i had with donald was the fact that he was married if you weren't married, i wouldn't have any regrets because he treated me very kind. >> he was very respectful as i told you it was a good relationship while it happens. now, had i known at the time, there were supposedly all these other women know, i went a bit in the relationship, but i didn't know that at the time. no, no regrets. accept the fact that he was married. >> if melania trump is watching this, what would you want her to know to tough one? more say to her. >> yeah, what can you say? accept i'm sorry i'm sorry i wouldn't want it done to me

i'm sorry that does it for this special edition of ac30 60, the karen mcdougal, the interview. >> the news continues on cnn. have a good night. >> straight from the source tonight i am brand new reporting on a tense divide over who might take the stand next at trump's trial. my lead source has extraordinary inside first as a top doj a prosecutor, now as one of america's go to attorneys for high-profile clients, most recently, britney spears and critics tonight are calling for a supreme court justice to step aside from trump's appeal for immunity after justice, a alito admits a symbol of so-called stop the steal was flying in front of his house just days after june murray six, he says his wife is to blame for the upside down american flag. there's also new fallout tonight from a shocking cnn exclusive sean diddy combs caught on camera violently

assaulting his then girlfriend, a beating that he previously denied. did his former assistant will join me live. i'm kaitlin collins and this is the source fresh off of a cliff hanger in the courtroom, donald trump is back on the campaign trail tonight. he's about to speak at a republican dinner in minnesota, we're monitoring that for any news. but the former president flew there from florida after attending his youngest son, barron's high school graduation. that's the reason he was not here in manhattan in court today after justice juan, were sean granted and off days so he could do so but shortly before the judge, a georgia court, he made clear that the end of this whole trial could be quite close as we hear at the source and been digging into what or i guess i should rather say who could trigger the next dramatic moment in court? i'm lauren tonight that there's an internal divide among trump's legal team over

whether or not to call robert costello as a witness? that would be michael cohen's onetime legal advisor that he says not his lawyer, who claimed publicly that michael cohen is lying about key claims that he made about donald trump on the stand that decision which we're told is still up in the air as of tonight and remains to be seen what they will ultimately decide comes after we sold trump's attorney has lead attorney here, todd blanche, have cohen on the ropes trying to chip away at his credibility inside the courtroom essentially painting cohen is a liar that the jury should trust i've also learned about a notable spectator at the trump trial yesterday, not in the rows of republicans who were up near the defense table that we saw later on television defending him. but one of trump's co-defendants actually in the state of georgia, jeffrey clark was seen towards the back of the room yes. that jeffrey clark, the senior justice department official, who trump nearly made attorney general, the back off after others starting to resign in protest of that decision.

>> the. one who wanted to leverage the agency and its powers to help trump overturn the election results in 2020 as far as clark goes, in this case, he is just part of the sayyed not really a main focus of the case, but the real show down at the heart of this, the alleged crime is a campaign finance violation and a cover up my lead source tonight has been called one of the sharpest attorneys ever at the justice department. >> he was a prosecutor on the doj's campaign finance taskforce, and he's currently in high demand as one of america's top attorneys representing clients, including steven spielberg, sean penn, most recently, britney spears at the rosengart. welcome to the source as your first time here, it's great to have you i mean, i could ask you a lot of questions about those three clients, but on this case at hand as it stands right now, we've heard your thoughts on this. what do you make of where it is at this moment, i called this a few weeks ago or it seems like months ago before the case started, are lawyers case and what he meant by that is a case that really and it

may sound odd but somewhat unusual in a criminal case comes down to who is a better lawyer. and i say that because the government really should win every case that a charges and as a bonus case, it comes down to preparation, skills in the courtroom and that's the difference maker, right now, given what we saw last week, i think it's a toss up, whereas going into any case, it really should generally be a shoo-in for the government. >> and what at what point did it become a toss up in your view because we saw the first day that todd blanche had a chance to cross-examining michael cohen. he didn't really land any kind of knockout blows. it is it is credibility. michael cohen stayed very, even temporary or even mass yesterday was heating up where was that turning point for you? >> i think it was a close call in oman record, although we don't like to make predictions going into the case. but after wednesday afternoon, i think it's a toss up and i think the defense has momentum going in that can change in a heartbeat. that's the interesting thing about trials. it's going to be

very interesting to see how the prosecution and they've got a weekend to deal with it, will rehabilitate michael cohen, but they've got their work cut out for them. >> if you are on the prosecution, i mean, what would you do when you get the chance to have michael cohen to read question him after after trump's team has done with it. >> well, the first thing i do is i would shed him and i would shed myself. and what i mean by that is the government was caught unaware. and that's something that never should happen either. michael cohen should have told them about the text messages even though it's a long time ago. or they should have through their preparation. and one of the things about being the government to my point earlier is that you've got all the time in the world prior to a case in determining whether to charge a case. and when to charge a case. and how to charge a case, to know everything. and they were caught unaware. now, what will they do to rehabilitate michael cohen? and their own credibility with the jury, which is essential. they're going to have to come up with an explanation. i think michael cohen hinted at what the explanation is going to be. i thought it was weak but it was

well, we talked about other things during that conversation as well, that 96 second conversation. so it's going to have to be something like that. or maybe there's another surprise. yeah. and the question is, does the jury find that credible than 96 seconds you could have both of those conversations, but i mean, this is the michael cohen moment was certainly a standout moment, but this is bigger than that. and you know, i keep the knee back to the other testimony that we heard for david pecker from hope hicks, everyone who tie this back to the election, saying this is very clearly a david pecker said they didn't want the story from karen mcdougal to embarrass trump or hurt his election chances. hope hicks said that trump's opinion in the white house was better to deal with the stormy daniels story after he was president, then then before i mean, do you think the prosecution has done enough to prove the campaign finance violation by hate to sound too much like a lawyer. but the answer is it depends potentially, yes, in part because the campaign finance statute, unlike very specific

and somewhat byzantine federal campaign statutes, the type that i used to prosecute is very vague here, and i've got a note just so i get it correctly. new york election law 17-152 prohibits conspiracies to promote the election of a specific canada and today through unlawful means. i don't know sitting here today exactly what that means. it's broad, however, and that's very good because it gives the government the opportunity to argue that what happens here, falls within the scope of that statute we've been hearing this repeated refrain from the republicans who have been coming and hanging out in those first two rows behind, behind the defense table about that, they don't think that they've they've made that they've met their burden, that they've they've proven this case just a little bit is my attorney general said that well, let's i want everyone to listen to it because we put them several of them together. >> it starts with the attorney general from my home state commenting on this there is no basis for this crime. here. you

have a made-up made-up charge. this is a made-up crime. >> what is the fine? because everyone in this court has not been informed of what the prime end i think everyone's kind of walking away there to floored boebert restart. >> i'm not sure what happened there, but is the prosecution meeting their burden here, do they need to spell out that specific statute for the jury, which includes two attorneys. i should note. i think that he do because alluding to something that you said before the government, really all it has is it's credibility. the judge looks to the government for credibility. the jury looks to the government for credibility. they're held to a higher standard and what the government must do, in my opinion, what they failed to do so far is take ownership of their problems, to take ownership of complex legal issues, to take ownership of credibility issues with witnesses, which i think they fell to do as we saw on wednesday with michael cohen. so i think it's very important for the government not to run

away from their problems including their circuitous legal theory that they put together here. but rather take ownership of it and it's now more important than ever, because i thought i think they've lost credibility with the jury based upon what happens on wednesday that do you really think that one moment undermined the other days where you would see david pecker get up there, keith davidson, they had some even the jeff mcconney from the trump organization had some strong tests. i don't think that that one moment will overwhelm the rest of the case. >> but what and again, we'll see what happens over the next couple of days. the government now has time to regroup. but what does happen again, alluding to something you said there's a zeitgeist in any case and there's a rhythm to any case. and if the government loses faith, excuse me, if the jury loses faith in the government and loses faith and michael cohen, it's a big problem for the government that has an overlapping effect. and it could control what the jury thinks about the rest of the government's case at the end

of the day juries, often i think do the right thing. and in doing the right thing, they determine who do we like, who's most credible? the question is, has the government lost too much of its credibility to come back and win the case. >> we also have two other friends just hitting you're listening to this fascinating conversation. cnn senior legal analyst and former assistant us attorney elie conic, also retired new york state supreme court justice joel kahn visor, elie what do you make of what his view of where the stands and what the prosecution needs to do in the next few days. >> so i agree with matthew. i think the moment we saw with michael cohen was devastating and i think it's really hard to recover from that. i mean, as matthew said, your credibility is everything in one moment like that one moment where the jury is going to conclude either this witness was lying or was sorely mistaken that is devastating. and i think juries will make a decision based on one moment like that, that sticks in people's head. think about presidential debates. how many presidential debates through history do we remember for one moment. i think juries tend to

be the same one visceral moment of collapse like that, i think can haunt you through to the verdict. >> does that true, judge, is what you've seen. >> i think generally are both correct. i think the difference here is that everyone knew going in everyone in that room knew going in who michael cohen was the bar was very low. they knew him to be a liar, a convicted liar it says and testified to that has every right, not only that they probably read about it, everyone knew about it doesn't mean it's disqualify, disqualify someone from being on the jury. so i think in this case, under these facts, it's slightly different, but i do think that people need to, through their redirect examination, do some of the heavy lifting here to explain it. if they can, we document what i mean, there's still a question right now from what i've heard from both sides of whether or not they're going to call this other witness for the defense, robert costello he is someone who the jury saw texts from castello to michael color, basically saying after michael cohen is very clearly and legal

trouble, i can be your back channel to donald trump. >> hire me as your attorney and through rudy giuliani, we'll talk to trump pill protect us, stay strong. all of these comments there's a divide though, because it kind of feels like a rabbit hole to bring him in at this point in the case i mean, what's your outside of you i agree with that. >> i'm generally conservative. i don't think that decision is going to be left up entirely to the trump defense team. i think trump's going to make the decision. and i think what we've seen from him is more is more as a trial lawyer, i think elie would agree want to be generally conservative the defense has momentum now, as a result of what they did to michael cohen, it's hard for me to predict what they'll do maybe they think castello would be icing on the cake. he's a forceful person, is a former federal prosecutor as well on the other hand, they might want to just lay low and let michael cohen be the last witness they've heard from. >> yeah. i mean, the prosecution has robert costello emails that sounded a little tony soprano like when you read them, when you were reading

them in court, i binoculars. i was looking at them and he was he kept saying, you my friends client, referring to donald trump. right. let me know if you have a message for my friend. >> i'm a hard no, i'm calling robert costello if i'm on the defense team here, why you don't get enough out of him. first of all, if he's going to say what rudy wanted a pardon? and i mean, excuse me. well, michael cohen wanted to pardon. that's already come up. we already have evidence to that. if he's going to undermine michael cohen and other ways, we have emails between them already calling robert costello gives you very little upside as the defense and a lot of downside. the last thing you want is to have robert costello get blown up the way michael cohen just got blown up that's the last thing the jury takes, and there's no reason to do it. it's i think if they call them, it's reckless and they're asking for trouble. >> the judge has also been a singular point of focus for donald trump here. i mean, he rails against him and calls him corrupt every single day. there was seen and learned tonight that this ethics complaint that was filed against him because he donated $35 to a group that tries to help like democrats.

it was dismissed against him last summer, and it was dismisses what's called a caution. >> can you just what does that what's the significance of that? well, i'll say a few things. one is 35, he shouldn't have done it like we can all agree with that $35, however, is to minimise there is a new york state commission on judicial conduct that reviews complaints of judges and ensures that any complaints are investigated where they should be and then there's action taken. i used to be a member of that commission and the lowest level that they can the lowest sentence if you would, is a caution which is what he got essentially don't do it. and that came on the heels of the ethics and ethics advisory committee. advisory opinion, which said this is anything less than $50 is not anything we need to worry about. and it also came on the heels of professor stephen gillers saying there's no reason to recuse yourself here. so yes, you're right. donald trump goes in front of the

cameras every day and he rails against the only person who's not covered in the gag order that he can who is the judge? but think about it for a minute. the judge has issued dozens and dozens of opinions decisions, rulings. this is what he's earning about the $35 charge mission is headed down the middle fairly throughout. yeah. so he's picking on the one thing that's not how trump sees it or frames it or certainly would not acknowledge a grade. but what how does that could that obviously trump's legal team does not want him doing that publicly out there every single day if it's trump's convicted here, which we don't know. this is the judge will sentence him. >> that's right. that's right. >> i mean, as an attorney, is that like your worst nightmare for a client it absolutely is. >> but there's only so much control both that they have. it's certainly is your worst nightmare. and the really intriguing question is going to be whether or not he testifies in this case. i mean, to me, that's the backroom discussion. that's the ultimate discussion. his lawyers do not want him to testify. will they

get to make that ultimate decision? no. it's up to him. >> elie, i have to ask you about jeffrey clark being and we saw carter page. there are other allies, rudy giuliani, son has been coming in but geoff clark being there and someone's stressed to me, he was not with the trump entourage. he was there on a zona as a free agent. that really caught my attention. i didn't realize he was there until i just saw while the open to the shove, let's just remember who jeffrey clark is in the whole scheme of things. this is the guy who was a very high ranking doj official under donald trump in the closing days when trump was trying to steal the election, jeffrey clark was trying to work a back channel and get himself installed as the temporary attorney general. and what he did is he drafted a memo that was false fraudulent. he drafted a memo that dot he wanted doj to send to the state of georgia saying, we have detected potentially significant election fraud in georgia. he wanted to send it to the georgia legislature and say, you need to convene a convention to reconsider your electors. that is an outrage and i will say if donald trump

becomes president heaven help us if he makes jeffrey clark, the attorney general, i don't think he ever gets confirmed by the senate, but i mean, this guy, he's under indictment now in georgia, jeffrey clark, and for good reasons pleaded not guilty, but we certainly could see him in a second trump term will see elie honig, judge as are met the rosengart great to have you joining us up next here tonight we have new backlash that is coming after the discovery of what we just mentioned at the top of the show, that stop the steal symbol that is widely recognized by people who participated in january this time it was seen outside the home of a supreme court justice samuel alito, new calls are coming tonight for alito to recuse himself from two key january 6 related decisions. is that our before the high court but first, we do have this exclusive and extremely disturbing, frankly video showing rapper sean diddy combs violently assaulting his then girlfriend, an attack. he previously denied those sorts.

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neck and he throws her to the floor, still holding his towel closed with the on the other hand, as he turns to kick her seconds after that where you see him grabbing her bags here on the hallway. >> he's seen here sitting down and it chair grabbing an object of the table. we believe it's a vase and throwing it at her this incident is important and it matches the allegations that are in a now settled lawsuit that she filed against him last november allegations about what happened at these since closed intercontinental hotel and los angeles diddy's attorney says that there was no admission of wrongdoing as a result of that settlement. and i should note that he has previously be a manly denied these allegations, but after cnn obtained this video and published it today, ventura's now husband appeared to respond on instagram posting a message addressed to the women and children on their he says in part, and i'm quoting him now, men who hit women aren't men. menu enable it and protect those people aren't

men to all the survivors. your stories are real and people believe you to the abusers. you're done. you're not safe anymore. you're not protected anymore. and the men by your side or just is weak i want to bring someone in who knows did he personally susie siegel was his former assistant during the time that he began dating cassie ventura, the singer. and i should note, you became his assistant as a part of the reality show to work for him? i did. everyone remembers watching that. i mean, to first just i mean, what is it like for you to see this video that came out today i felt sick and i felt violently angry and i felt like i'm sure a lot of men and women feel looking at that that video that it's so disturbing that the video doesn't lie i mean, when i watched it, what stood out to me initially after elizabeth wagmeister, god it was she's barefoot in the beginning and it's like she was so quickly

running out of the room to get to the elevator that she didn't even put her shoes on yet. >> i mean, that's terror. that's what you would do if there was a fire, right? you would just run out, grabbed what you could. so i can only imagine looking at that. >> the fear that she felt she had to get out of that room and bear fee in order to be safe or protect yourself you worked closely with him? i did. i was as assistant between 2008 and 2009 and they were dating when i worked for and what was what was he like and what were what did you observe about them at this time? i observed nothing that would lead me to believe or there was never scuttle bud about it. i never saw him speak harshly to her or be abusive toward her or anything like that. i wrote in the limos with them. i went to parties with them i guess what i would say is even though i never saw anything that could corroborate what's in that lawsuit and what we just saw there was not one

cell in my body that was surprised why not you know, it's going to sound a little bit weird because i don't have any facts right. and nobody is going to call me to testify. but i would say that it's woman's intuition i would say that i was around him a lot and i got a feeling for who he was. i didn't see anything that could get him in trouble, but i think that the power dynamic in a situation like that, especially her at the beginning of her career, so young and beautiful and talented and she hooked herself or became involved with somebody who had so much power. and i felt that working for him. i'm sure the whole team felt that and that's right. he's a mogul. so of course he's the big boss but i think that you could imagine certainly in my interactions with him, you could imagine how that would dissipate and sort of seep into every aspect of his life. and especially his relationships. >> yeah. because she was 19, i

believe, and he was 37 when they first began to imagine how that would be. then he's rich and only is he rich, but he controls your career. and all you want in your career, right? is she's an artist. she wants to make music. she really was an artist, is an artist. and now all of a sudden, she's with somebody who could make that happen for her and it doesn't happen. >> so you don't you don't it wasn't anything specific. you just you've got a strange, uncomfortable feeling from high mean, it was i think it's more to do with the way that he treated people. again, nobody was mistreated. >> that i saw i didn't feel mistreated, but it was very clear to me. >> again, this is intuition, right? >> this is what we pick up as women and humans are smart and have been around he just didn't see your humanity when he looked at you, i felt it felt very obvious to me that everyone was just sort of there to be used the teeth and get the most out of you for

example, i went to go work for him pretty soon. >> in your person, it was sort of an odd thing. i have a fancy master's degree, whatever who cares but it was you know, he wanted to get me for as cheaply as he could. and most people would just dive in and take it right? because you think that you're gonna get something by working for him and i wonder how that video, which he denied these allegations and those allegations turn the lawsuit. i mean, he's facing five other civil lawsuits that are accusing him of a range of sexual misconduct and illegal activity. everyone remembers the raid at his homes in miami and new york where it was part of the department of homeland security that deals with human trafficking. and actually, note, he isn't been charged with, and of course, they've maintained that he hasn't done anything wrong but it must be really strange to see what we see now in black and white on that video. and to be someone who had worked for him, well, there you go. >> that's how you know that your intuition is, right? right. i didn't see that proof. obviously i saw with the rest of america today. but when

i saw it, i knew that that was something that he could be capable hello. and he's he's a genius, he's brilliant. he's one of the best minds i've ever been around but i think when the power differential is so awful and you just can get away with anything that you want susan siegel. thank you for coming on to talk about that. >> thank you so much. >> and i should note that the grammy award-winning songwriter and one of caseous close friends, tiffany red, is going to be on cnn and just a little bit, she'll be joining laura codes tonight and 11:00. so make sure you watch that meanwhile, tonight and other story that we are tracking closely here at the source that upside down american flags flown outside the home of the supreme court justice samuel alito is now behind the growing calls for him. and to recuse himself from the monumental 2020 election-related decisions that the court is about to make. >> he is not denying it, but we will tell you how he is explplaining this meta tongue i

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to three-to-one, three-to-one today, how it really happened with jesse l. martin, sunday's at night on cnn denied top democrats are calling for the supreme court justice samuel alito to recuse himself from all cases involving the 2020 election including that major decision that we are waiting for right now. >> on whether and to what scope for president donald trump has immunity seton has now confirmed this. new york times reporting that this upside down american flag flew outside of the justice's home just 11 days after january 6, in new york times was first to report this story to explain why this is so notable. and if you don't know why, here it is an upside flag and american flag is a symbol that is popular with trump's supporters. and

is unknown symbol of 2020 election denialism. we saw a lot of it in those days after the election in 2020 leading up to january six. today after the new york times published this story, justice alito did not deny it in a statement, but told fox news that his wife was responsible. he said that martha anna alito did this over a disagreement with a neighbor who had displayed an f trump's sign it's remarkable here tonight to talk about all of this is former new york city mayor built of lazio soon to be working with the biden campaign. i should note former deputy assistant to president biden jamal simmons and cnn's political commentator, s. e. cupp and jamal. i mean even if you take a bit his word, the justice year that this was his wife do is wife's doing after she got into an altercation with a neighbor that was ugly that they said things to her, and then she did this i mean, he's not denying knowing the symbolism of what that meant, especially in such a fraught time.

>> he's not what's disturbing about all of this and you can include what's happening. justice thomas, as well it's so obvious that they are being conflict. they have conflicts here and we need to find a way to have a supreme court that people have confidence in i'm afraid that in the trump era, this is just becoming the norm of how we do business. or all of the things that we took us sort of customs no longer apply. if members of congress who are calling each other names and talking about their appearance, you've got supreme court justices that are hanging out with donors. and before they have rules buildings to make. and then you have a supreme court justice whose wife is final flag upside down in a way that i'm sure every conservatives, certainly every conservative jurist knows this is an appropriate, yeah, i mean, his statement, he's not denying that this happened and he's not even kind of disavowing the message that that could have sent, even if it is truly over a the neighbor. >> this goes beyond any partisan consideration. this is the most important legal body

on earth. the supreme court, the united states of america. and you cannot have a semblance of conflict there. and i think actually democrats and republicans who have been on that court would agree on that over the generations. so now we have two justices who have overt conflicts and meanwhile, the court is trying to resist the kind of ethics rules that everyone else in government has to live by. it makes no sense. and i actually wanted to remind everyone the american public does not believe that election was stolen almost two-thirds of americans believe that the 2020 election was the legitimate election, obviously was. so i have a supreme court justice taking a political stand right there. unacceptable, unprecedented out of step with the american people. and then acting like that's not a conflict. it is what would be great if he voluntarily recused himself and showed an honorable approach that might give people some faith and our institutions again, well, and i think when you mentioned clarence thomas, i mean, you think of clarence thomas, his wife, ginni thomas, and her efforts and support of

people around january 6? yes. >> first of all, that picture makes me nauseous. generally. generally the upside-down flag has serious meeting both before and after january 6, and it's literally makes me nauseous to see it on the lawn of a supreme court justice is deeply, deeply troubling. and the point is that she knows better. he's been adjusted for 18 years. she knows better than to do that. so does ginni thomas. they all know better. so to say i'm a little alito know better than to abide this so that's troubling. but i think the problem here is people are going to hell. >> why is everything trump's fault? but you have to trace this to trump because that flag was flying for trump because trump said that the election was stolen. trump has cheapens so many of our institutions, including the meaning of democracy. he's made it cheap he's cheapens the importance

of our legislative body and congress that's why people are acting like this in congress, because it's cheap now it doesn't have the meaning or value that it did before because he doesn't care about any of it. it's all for his use. like it's a monopoly board game. if it lines is pockets and if it gets out of his way as he's trying to get power than it's fine anything else is useless to him and i think that's had a big effect, not just congress democracy, the supreme court, i mean, the ripple effects we are seeing them daily that i think the two decisions that are coming there before the court are massive and they're both related to january 6 to a degree, obviously, trump's immunity case, but also the other case that is about what the january 6, it's riders can be charged with in an obstruction statute. i mean, these are consequential decisions that justice alito, as of this moment, is part of making these are consequential

decisions. >> they're the most consequential because the question is not just about an individual moment. the question is, are we going to have a country where we are governed by rules customs, law? pause that. we all can agree upon. and when if we have arguments, those arguments are going to occur in a way that doesn't lead people to throttling each other on the streets, right? is opposed to be the point of politics. listen, i'm, i've been some rough and tumble campaigns. i have lobbed grenades over the wall rhetorically at people, and i've had them shot back at me. but i think we all know at the end of the de that when it's over, we say congratulations to the winner. we shake hands and we go out, maybe even have a beer together down the road and we fight another day. >> you look what we're seeing now is an extremism and it's not in concert with where the american people are. i think this is the big, big story here. when a supreme court justice is calling into question the legitimacy of an american election. and again, we're the vast majority of americans say, wait man. now, that was legitimate electron joe biden won by over 7 million votes what that sets up is a

new recognition among the american people of what they care about. now, i think in the end, i'm a progressive, i'm a democrat, but i think there is a moderate core to the american experience to the american political reality. and people look at something like this and they say that's so far outside the mainstream. and i actually think this is going to hurt republicans heard of money, let's counter, because i agree with you. >> obviously, i agree with you completely however, i don't think voters care about this, right? when they're going home and they can't afford gas and groceries, and they haven't gotten a raise in five years. there's other stuff this isn't really the stuff they're thinking about i think there's a high level argument about about the threat to democracy that we can have because we're comfortable, okay. we're not worried about our paychecks, right? >> i think for a lot of other people, this is kind of like noise you know, the, the sort of the stuff of the elites because we have the, we have the liberty of worrying about my child is worrisome, but i

don't think it's a voter issued a challenge to distinguished gentlewoman? >> yes, you may. >> who's who's a wonderful commentator and knowledgeable? and i would only say this, it brings it back to the supreme court. yes, supreme court equals to decision to take away a woman's right to choose. yes. so i would say i so high. well, not only that, i'm saying i think the signal here is the supreme court as an extremist reality that has done something unprecedented in american history, taken away a fundamental right and this election will hinge large on the questionable when tried, choose, i fundamentally believe that we've seen that in 22, just a great yeah. >> i mean, they make medical decisions. >> the conversation is once again about the supreme court, and that's where it becomes select all negative lazio, jamal simmons, sc cupp, always great to have all of you up next if there wasn't enough chaos, still polite, everyone was there disagreeing could do it. not happening on capitol hill, brace yourself for what's coming next? >> you don't want to talk about, i think your fake eyelashes are messing up nothing order water would help

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congresswoman jasmine crockett's appearance prompting a response congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez do you know what we're here for? >> we're here you know what you're here for. well, you don't want to talk about i think your fake eyelashes are messing up order. mr. chairman and gag order of your midi order. >> i would like to move to take down ms greene's words that. is absolutely unacceptable. how dare you have another person? >> are your feelings, her words down? >> oh, oh, girl, baby, girl. >> oh, really don't even play baby girl and i don't think you're going to move and we're going to take your words down secondary motion crockett is responding saying that congressman green is a racist and she's also facing her own backlash for this comment is

crockett. i'm just curious just to better understand your ruling, if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach blonde, bad built butch body that would not be engaging in personalities, correct. >> what now chairman i make i make a motion to strike those i don't think that's i'm hannah fine clarification on what you said we're not going to we're not gonna do this like you guys earlier literally get calm down. >> calm. no. no, no. because proceed you're not recognized you with your yellow i'm going down. you please call me to calm down you are out of control as if verified those are the esteemed rooms of

capitol hill. all those people are paid for by your taxpayer dollars and yes, that is what happened in a house oversight hearing last night my next source tonight was in that chaotic room, democratic congressman shantel brown join does in congress i'm just glad that you didn't have any insulin let's lobbed at you and you were taught part of this, but can you just what was even like to be in that room last night we it was it was embarrassing. >> it was mad our finest hour. but i think it's important that we talk about how we got there the fact of the matter is we had that late night hearing because my republican colleagues thought it better use of their time during the day when we would be conducting regular business at 11:00, which 11:00 a.m. which was the time the meeting was originally scheduled. they thought their time would be better served in the courtroom auditioning to be trump's number two. and so we had to delay the people's business because republicans

want to be entertaining the master manipulator of mar-a-lago, instead of doing real work. so when we have extremis and the most extreme member of the committee, like the congresswoman of georgia launching personal attacks. this is the result that you get they have no agenda. they have no policies, they have no plans. they truly are the party of no. what we witnessed yesterday was complete distraction of them showing that they have no ability to govern as a result, we are the most unproductive congress in this nation's history because they don't have a plan and because they don't have a plan, they were rather hurl insults, then tried to discuss policy. >> i mean goh what you're talking about for people who weren't watching yesterday, a bunch of the house there was i remember as we're up here in new york and we're in the courtroom. i saw them with former president trump. so they pushed the timing back. i mean,

so it wasn't night congressman raskin, the ranking member of the democrat ranking member on this committee, that you saw there looking justice confused. but as congressman comer did, german gomer, he seemed to suggest that it was suggested to him that alcohol was involved. i mean, did you see any drinking or did you hear that as well it was not the most professional environment that we were in. >> i cannot speak to what we're in the individual's cups, plastic cups were in the committee chamber and it was an unusual sight, but i think it's also important to recognized for folks at home who did not who do not know this. this was a three-hour committee. and what you witness was a snippet, a well edited put together snippet of some of the most i guess, low lights of the meeting and the fact that many the fact that this committee meeting was even held was really pointless partisan, petty, and the fact that they

are trying to continuously desperately find reasons to impeach the president or members of his cabinet is again, an effort to distract from their inability to govern i was proud, to launch. >> go ahead. can we just plastic cups? is that normal two people normally bring in like like solo cups to the room it is non-normal, caitlin, i think that the people would expect better in the highest offices of land, just to reminder to the folks back home the congress is a co-equal branch of government to the president and the supreme court, right? >> and if the president acted like this, you know what we would call it donald trump. and that's the problem that we are experiencing right now. he has emboldened his maga minions to do what they are doing, which is insult people, tried to embarrass them and distract from their ability to really not be able to put forth any policies that benefit the

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