collaborate well with others, how to problem-solve also core principles in recovery as well. it's like an emotional outlet for me i love to create. you come here, you got to put in the work and the action i know every single kid i can tell you about their story. >> i can tell you what they've been through when they do make mistakes so things do happen. not beating them up about it, lebanon them supporting them, and figure out what do we need to do next to help them get to the next level i started drinking and using when i was 13 or smoking crack and fentanyl and drinking and ended up getting narc hand and was in the hospital. >> keith was like a really big support through all of that. and would just continuously show me that he loved me me, and cared about me. and have been serwer since then and now i have 17 months congratulations for that. >> thank you. >> do you dream about the future? >> yeah. >> if few years ago, i didn't

think i'd be alive and so it was really weird turning 18 and having plans to go to college and just all of the things that i get to do now at one point, i didn't know of lucy was going to live or die. and now i know lucy is going to do whatever she wants to do in this world. every single one of these kids gives us all hope today that no matter how hard your life is, things can get better. one day at a time be sure to tune in tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern time for the champions for change, one-hour special right here on cnn and thank you for watching news night. >> laura coates live starts right now well, by now, i'm sure that you've seen it. >> the video that cnn and obtain showing diddy assaulting his band girlfriend, cassie ventura and 26 in this video to me is horrifying.

>> it is truly shaken myths and my core and how dare anyone treat another human being like this? i have been thinking about this video all day and it's really taken me back to my days as they did mastic violence, prosecutor, watching women and men brutalized by their lovers abused manipulated, debased now in a moment, cassius friend tiffany readily my guest on this very difficult night difficult because the nature of the video that we are about to show you now, it's hotel surveillance video, so it doesn't have any audio the context is that according to cast, these civil lawsuit did he had become extremely intoxicated and punched casi in the face according to the lawsuit, that's why she decided to try and leave the intercontinental hotel room and century city, los angeles the video it shows cassie walking down the hallway with her purse.

>> she doesn't have any shoes on she gets in front of the elevator. she puts her bag down. she starts trying to put her shoes on and then she hits the button to call the elevator then diddy, he comes running down in a bath towel and does this he throws it to the ground. >> he then kicks her. >> then still holding his towel. you see him grab her bags, and then he kicks her one more time? he's not done. watch because he then starts dragging her back into the hallway. now, there's more that happens, but we're not going to show it at one point. >> he lunges her in the elevator bank and throw some sort of object adder. frankly, the cruelty we'll never cease to amaze me. this isn't some hollywood depiction. it's not even fiction. and sadly, it is representative of what so many people face on a daily, if not hourly basis in their own homes

so some people right now, maybe watching gulf and down that realization. i'm speaking, maybe walking on eggshells and their own homes waiting to see what kind of mood their partner is in. to determine who they need to be to stay safe what you have to do, or say to protect yourself or the vulnerable people around you and i'm asking you what did you see well, let me tell you what i saw today. while i watched this video i saw someone who tried to wait until an opportune time to flee. someone who had to make a split-second decision to run weighing the consequences. if she were caught i see a woman trying to survive fleeing with no shoes on to the nearest exit. and i see a violent barbaric attack by a man more

self-conscious about his towel, flying open, and the dignity of a person who he thought head no wright was not entitled to agency over her own body or even to safety i see a human being being kicked repeatedly in ways we would consider inhumane even for non humans. >> i see torment, i see pain, i see abuse of power, throwing objects at a person who is already in danger. >> you know what i don't see? >> any provocation and i see a woman enduring it alone. i see an act of violence that also includes snatching her belongings, her purse, which could mean or identification, maybe even her wallet, likely her telephone and i see her continue to try to find a lifeline through a hotel phone now, cnn reached out to diddy's team for comment, but we have not heard back. but

remember when cassie sued him alleging this abuse and even rape? did he denied those allegations and settle the lawsuit? >> now, this reminds me, we are seeing this at all because it's not a private home. >> it's surveillance footage from a hotel at some point someone must have seen this video someone knew that it existed. someone saw that she was trying to get away. now, even if it wasn't seen in real time, there was likely some visible damage to the property from where the objects were thrown maybe someone baby was curious enough to roll the tapes. so if that happened, what, if anything, was done about it? we don't sitting here today. no. >> cnn did reach out to the intercontinental hotel group who told us in a statement this hotel is no longer under ihg

management and we do not have any access to prior incidents, records, or footage we live in a world where there needs to be signs to remind people that if they see something, they should say something well, a lot of people see abuse and what they say about it. >> well should have never been thought, let alone said so let me talk to you directly if you're someone out there seeing this kind of violence, seeing any violence and you are blaming the victim of that violence for that violence or explaining away the violence by your perception of that victims choices, no matter how illusory or you're asking some judgmental, rhetorical question about why they didn't just leave well, why don't you do us all a favor? >> save your breath. >> we don't need you drowning out those of us trying to speak

up. and maybe save a life now i want. to bring in grammy award-winning songwriter and one of caseous close friends, tiffany read shirt, a public letter to diddy in december of 2023 called sean combs, traumatized me in order to corroborate the claims cassie made in her lawsuit against diddy tiffany thank you for joining us. >> it is so difficult. so horrific to watch this and wonder what life must have been and may have been like can you take us back to that time, tiffany, and tell us what did he was like from your personal observations? what their relationship was like. is there a context you can give? >> i mean, i can definitely provide context around like this incident cassie confided in me about this incident when

i was working with her around this time around 2016, we were working on her sophomore album and she told me about this situation there relationship was volatile for sure and he like you could tell that she was afraid of him, you know, and that there was a lot of control and yeah, i don't just sorry. >> it's witnessing like, what do you what do you feeling well, i mean, the thing is is like this is something that cassie confided in me about back then. and like the one thing specifically that always stuck out to me about the story was him throwing the vase at her and to see it like to see

like i remember her saying, you know i remember it being at the intercontinental. i remember that that whole the whole situation, but two know a story is one thing, but to see it as something different. and then also to see it somebody that you care about about like you know, it's that a video of my friend getting violently assaulted is all over the world and no one was there to help her and it just makes me really sad. >> i mean, tiffany excuse my voice, but to hear any year description of it i mean a lot of this is detailed in her lawsuit he is denying, by the way, excuse my voice. he is denying all the allegations against him from met suit but now we're watching this video and real in real time now is

this a, indication for cassie, do you think or am i can only imagine the trauma of having the world now, having seen what she endured yeah. >> i mean, i definitely think that it is it validates what was in the lawsuit at a validates what she said happened. >> and so i definitely think for anyone who was oh, people are just making up stories, it was a money grab. it was all these things. you try and take people down in the culture, all this crap. i think like it as somebody who loves her is hard to watch you know, and it makes me sad that it takes people having to see this clearly for them to believe it and you know, from that perspective, i

think that yeah i think that now it's like see, you know, we're not being dramatic. no one's lying like it's this this is real tiffany, when you mentioned the idea of that she was trying to take down the culture. >> i mean, i heard that stupidity. i heard i remember when this news, so knowing the client, what i mean annoying is one way to put it. it was just so i'm settling as a woman, as a human being, as a hear people describe her as an opportunist to try to in some ways revictimized her and suggests that they knew what she was thinking feeling, doing her motivation what the context was, all of it, as much as people talk about the presumption of innocence for somebody who might be defendant there is none given to somebody who might be a victim. >> there's ever a presumption of truth in those and she actually alleged more than a

decade of abuse. she was only 19 years old when they first met he i think was 37. and so often, you know, and this idea of power dynamics and people are blamed for not leaving what do you say to those who, who seemed to have that thought about your friend, who you love i mean, i think that most people think that they can understand what it's like to be abused by a billionaire, but they don't, you know, i think a lot of people think that they get it that are not in the lifestyle of entertainment and the lifestyle of money and power and you can clearly see in that video, she's trying to leave and he didn't allow her to leave, leaving is not that simple. >> and you would think that with this common as domestic violence is in america you

would think that because it's so common, because it's going on and so many people's households that they would understand that breaking the cycle of abuse is not that simple, let alone your abuser being the most one of the most powerful people in the music business. someone who has massive influence in the culture, who has political ties, who has you know a lot of resources and so for all of the people that are like, why didn't she leave? i say to them, why didn't you leave? why don't you leave the abusive your whatever your crappy situation is, whatever whoever your abuser is like it's not that simple. if it was everybody he would leave, but that's not the case are very judgmental. tiffany and they and they think they know it went one thing i tell you i mean, what they would do yeah. >> i didn't know what they would do. your winning. it's like you don't know what you would do, know there are so many people that said, when i first came out, like talking to

me, saying like you know, what kind of friend were you why didn't you do something then it just is like, do you see now what was i supposed to do? what were we supposed to do? outside of just try to stick by her side and hope that that's not what happens, but what were we supposed to do it interesting to think about all the finger pointing to everyone besides that. >> an accused, the abuse that made me i remember as a prosecutor, i can it exactly. there were so many i have done so many prosecutions and investigations of domestic violence. one of the themes i'm always saw and always emerged was it every single person who would find themselves meeting me as somebody who had been victimized by a partner they never thought they would be in that situation. they themselves never thought that it would be them. they thought and there was a great deal of shame and justifiably so in my mind, they're them to feel that way,

but that's how they felt shame. they thought embarrassment. they felt fear overwhelmingly, and it's such a terrifying circumstance to be. i do want to just point. you said you have said that you felt threatened by diddy when you were around him and cassian that you say you still suffer from a kind of ptsd. you said in your rolling stone piece, i continue to work through the ptsd paranoia an anxiety from these events. are you worried about having spoken out today amine at this point? >> i just i feel like it's the right thing to do, like i mean, is it is it scary doing stuff? it's doing something like this absolutely but i can't sit and watch a video of my friend getting kicked in the face and not come sit with you and talk about this because it's not

acceptable period and, you know, from my mouth to his ears i'm saying puff, it's not acceptable and so yeah, this is scary. >> but so tiffany rad. >> thank you so much for joining me. i appreciate hearing your perspective in particular. thank you. >> thank you for having me i want to bring in nima ramani. >> he's the president of west coast trial lawyers also for federal prosecutor. i mean, edema, you and i have spoken in the past about cases and we know that cassie has settled her lawsuit with daddy, but he does have multiple other civil suits against him. also, a federal investigation being carried out by the department of homeland security team that handles human trafficking crimes. i wonder, does this video now and its introduction into the general public, does that contribute to additional troubles ram oh i think so. laura and the statute

limitations may have run on the domestic violence and assaults. >> i live on away from central city where this is all happening. >> three-year statute, but you can use types of violent offenses as rico predator could act. we may still recall indictment or prior bad acts evidence a pattern of physical and sexual abuse that look ultimately didn't his lawyers denied it. but, you know, what doesn't lie. video doesn't lie. and i think this is going to put pressure on prosecutors to finally return an indictment now, the hotel with a surveillance video is from says that they are under different management from the time the alleged assault occurred, cassius lawsuit against city alleges that he paid $50,000 to buy the video. >> could the previous owners, the hotel space, some sort of legal repercussions given attach limitations on the actual alleged, abuse may have run unfortunately, as we know, paying to keep a steroid quiet is not by itself illegal. >> donald trump's dealing with that issue right now. but i

wouldn't be surprised given the severity of the other allegations were talking about rape. we're talking about sexual abuse of minors and we know this may not be the only video laura, when law enforcement went into diddy's homes in miami and they were looking for video according to cast to do what record sex apps and they were cameras in his home so any physical or sexual abuse occurred. their law enforcement has it and it's not a matter of if but when his charge i think this is going to be the straw that broke the camel's back back, and we're going to see it very soon we will see how all this unfolds, even if this does not lead to a criminal prosecution, which i know someone has and ought to have a presumption of innocence. >> i can tell you it is stomach turning to see this video and to just think of what task he must be feeling tonight. i understand she's a mother she has a family of her own and how her loved ones must be feeling on her behalf as well. mimo ramani. thank you so much.

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politics, there's always a but those poles are down nearly 20 points compared to election day, just four years ago in 2020. so from meeting with the divine nine to an end of lacp event by i didn't is trying to shore up a key part of his base. now, on thursday, he marked 70 years since the end of legal segregation in schools. by thing with plaintiffs and their families from the landmark supreme court case, brown versus board of education today, he gave a campaign speech to the national museum of african-american history and culture. and on sunday, he will give the commencement address at morehouse college in atlanta. one of the most famous historically black colleges in the country. but that speech could read different problem for biden possible protests like the many pro-palestinian protests we've seen hitting college campuses and disrupting graduations all across this it's country. the president of

morehouse has a message for anyone who's planning to disrupt his commencement we will allow silent non-disruptive protests so you know, i had students asked me about it. >> what if we, you turned our backs on the president are turned out chairs? and i said to them i'll be embarrassed, but that's not your problem what we won't allow is disruptive behavior that prevents the ceremony or services from proceeding well, joining me now are two morehouse men republican tragic or michael singleton and cnn political commentator, makari salaries, gentlemen, so glad to have both of you here on a friday night, eager, frankly, de are both of your views on this? >> again with you because three

because i just read your fabulous block, so i'm gonna begin with you commencement addresses are rarely high-stakes political events, but, but this one could be different and could very well be one for president biden. so what should he be expecting on sunday? >> well, i mean, i think that this is a unique opportunity for him and one of the things that joe biden has to do is take advantage of this opportunity. i gave him props for meeting people where they are in meeting voters, where they are going to places like michigan and then coming to the hallow grounds of morehouse college. i'm the world's gonna be watching, particularly what he's going to say two black men, how he's going to encourage them and give them hope about the future. this, this speech has to be forward-looking. this cannot be one of the speeches in which gets caught in talking about the nostalgia for the past. he has to give those young voters, those young black men something to cling on to in terms of hope for what tomorrow will look like and that's what i'm expecting from him and it's what i believe he has to do

chemali bring you in here. do you think that biden should even be speaking at morehouse this sunday i mean, like, i personally don't agree with it because it's a political climate. >> i understand why the administration wants to, because the president is obviously having issues with black men in particular. but look, i think is a great opportunity for the college, for the world to once again have a spotlight on the greatness that is morehouse with that said though laura, i mean, i think the brothers have an opportunity here to peacefully protest that is going to be expected. there's a lot going on around the world right now that these brothers feel they have a moral obligation and ethical obligation to speak out against whether it's from the issues and palestine or issues and the sudan are congo, or haiti. and i expect those young brothers to rise to the occasion, however, they so choose why do you think that biden should not speak well, i just think that

this is a very divisive climate right now, and i just don't want to see what should be a great opportunity for these young brothers and their parents, particularly their moms to be used as sort of a political campaign stop and i just think what more house represents what this moment means is so much bigger than that. >> there's a huge disconnectedness right now. i think what a lot of african americans in general about what they're seeing in the country oh, and i just don't think this moment should be politicized. i really don't okay. >> what's your reaction to that? i mean, the idea of the president, the united states, speaking at a commencement address is extremely significant. if i remember correctly, there was a former president that at least one that's spoken their president barack obama. what is your reaction to share michael statement that because my pick campaign side i mean, i think it is a campaign stop. >> i think that, you know, i understand where she michael is coming from when he's talking

about this particular moment in all of the blood, sweat, and tears and prayers that report into these young man just to make it here. but the fact is, this is morehouse college and the president of the united states is more than welcome at any point onto this campus to speak, not only to these students will speak to the world, we have had block obama speak on this campus before so joe biden being there is not necessarily unusual and look, i think we're also judging this man speech before he gives it let's, let's actually see what he says is maybe a moment of upliftment. this may be a moment of a virtue. this may be a moment that these young people can remember for the rest of their life eyes in terms of the positive effect of a joe biden speech certainly, we are waiting with bated breath to see what he'd had to say. >> i think you're michael, we have you back for a moment here. i think we lost you just for a second. sure. my goal why why not wait. i mean, the idea of hearing what president biden

may have to say, yes. i mean, obviously, it's a campaign season. we're less than six months away from the general election students are well within, as you heard, the president of morehouse talking about that, the idea of upholding the ability to peacefully assemble do you think that there is too much prejudgment of what biden might say yeah is that your answers for michael? i know. i wondering because i've never heard you just give me a one word answers. i don't think he's the president. okay. there you go i love i your question. >> you would like there's no way that i share michael's ball answer. go ahead i asked you i'll ask it again. >> i'll ask it again. >> do you think there's too much having like internet me ask you? you again, do you think there's too much prejudgment on what president biden speech may entail yeah i,

mean, look, i think for cars, right. you gotta give the president an opportunity politics aside, he's the president of the united states of america. it's a great opportunity and this is an opportunity for president biden to speak directly to not only black men, but to african-americans writ large about what future entails under his administration. look, i'm a conservative, but i'm under no inclination that a whole bunch of black people, all of a suddenly going vote for donald trump so if you're joe biden and you're recognizing that you're having some serious issues and concerns among your most loyal voting block. number one, being black women number to be in black men you have to address some of the plight that people in our community are talking about our experience and whether i have different opinions or not, i recognize where most of the people in our community are all right. >> and so this is an opportunity for the president to address some of those

things. laure and i hope that he actually does because i think the community entity deserves that we have been loyal as hell to the democratic party. people are sort of tired of waiting. so this is an opportunity for president biden to address some of those serious issues. >> i'll give you a quick final word, makari, what's your thought? >> i'm excited about it. i mean, anytime you have an opportunity to have the president of the united states come and address you in 2005. my speaker was judge hatchett. and she actually wasn't able to speak because it was raining more houses. graduation is outside of rain sleet, or snow and it was raining cats and dogs and so she stood up and said, it's raining. i know you guys don't want to be sitting out here listening to me granulations so that was my graduation speaker. i expect joe biden to be a little bit more thorough than that and had this amazing opportunity, but more haas is an amazing institution. and this is why individuals choose let's it go that moments in front of the world like, what was great

sellers should michael singleton thank you both so much. i had opportunity to speak at hollister college in my home city of st. paul, minnesota this past weekend, deliver that commencements we've got to be at canada college. and if there is rain, my hair is sensitive, it's a fresh blow out and i'm may cut it short, just letting you all know that right now. okay. ranks leader. so but maybe with an umbrella. thank you so much. >> next, everyone, they kansas city chiefs kicker, while he is under fire for comment, taking aim at working women, but he's got some defenders that while we might surprise you and maybe some that don't, plus a trip to jail for the world. >> number one golfer what land? >> in scottie scheffler behind bars and how he still made his tee time he's going to jail and may not can do about millions of people have lost weight with personalized plans from new like evan, who lost 50

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chiefs kicker harrison butker is facing a lot of backlash over controversial comments that he made at a graduation speech but now he's getting some key blocks from top republicans. i here's a reminder of what he actually said i think it is, you, the women who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. >> how many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but i would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world as men, we set the tone of the culture. be unapologetic in your masculinity fighting against a culturally emasculation of men. do hard things. never settle for what is easy? >> one of the people who is backing them up, senator marco rubio, he says that bucher never told women to stay home and have babies. seven or josh

hawley, he's also defending him if you listen to the left-wing nut cases, they're saying, oh, he said women can't work. women can't have a job. well, he said none of that stuff. what do you said is don't miss the great joy of being a father and a husband and wife and a mother. and he was a saint message to both people. >> well, i'm michele, we just played his own words. >> you decide. >> i want to bring in former national republican senatorial committee aid, liam donovan and seen in full commentator ashley allison, glad to have both of you here. leah, let me start with you here because concerns are rallying behind harrison on this. you've seen just a few of them because the principles they share, or it's politically expedient and at a time when frankly culture wars are top of the ticket, sometimes i think the culture war element plays into all this, but i think we have to take a step back for a minute. we've got the context is happening. we just did a segment talking about the

president being protested at morehouse if you're watching nationwide, jerry seinfeld's getting walked out on a duke. >> you have to think about the context this speech was delivered as a traditional catholic speech, delivered to a traditional catholic audience at a traditional cash catholic school he got a standing ovation at a time when everybody else is walking out. >> so he knew his audience. i think there were some chum in there that got everybody knowing who here kristen butker is where benedictine college is in that sense, it succeeded and it played into probably what he was looking to get at. but at the same time, he's talking to women who self-selected to go to that particular college and probably took that in the way it was intended. it was genuine. it was ernest and quite frankly having talked to my wife before i would go out here and talk about this things. it spoke to her as somebody who is a professional woman led me in a lot of ways is throughout my career, but has four kids at home and sees the role as mother first and foremost in our lives. i think it was delivered and received to the audience as it was intended. and i think that's why you're seeing republicans rally around it. >> i just say he describes know

they audience. i mean, in a sense, he was preaching to his virtual choir and he was invited. his views are not unknown to those who have invited him there and get it does speak and that setback moment, it speaks to a larger discussion that's being had there many people who were shocked that that would be said in 2024. and yet, if you were to observe some of the politics, some of the policies, some of supreme court decisions and beyond. is it that far out of line from what we are seeing being talked about? >> i'm actually glad he said what he said, not because i agree with him because i want to know where people actually stand on issues. and then i want to see who does defend them because then that's means that's where you also stand on those issues. those two rubio and holly, are senators. there are people that if joe biden wins election again and he tries to put a stop a, or get a abortion bill passed to have let women have a right to choose. they will block that. guess what? those people in their states get to decide whether or not those individuals get to still be

senators or not. so i'm glad that people are speaking their truth even if i don't agree with it, i think the thing that is problematic look, i told you a producer, i was never going to forgive her that she made me watched that speech because i hadn't i don't have to click speech was wow, like it was it was really extreme. i went to catholic school for 12 years of my life, so i understand the the protocols and the procedures of the catholic church. however, i think the thing that bothered me the most as a woman who is 41, who is not married, who doesn't have children, is that that doesn't mean like, i don't have the greatest wins of my life. also, i i remember the de i graduated from college and i did not think about getting married on that day. i can tell you that much. i didn't think about having children. i thought about how hard i had worked. i was excited. my family was there and i was ready for the next chapter, which is graduate school, to become a public school teacher to teach our youth, which is also a thing i'm very proud of. >> actually read something that's really important here. i think if you watched the full 20 minutes, which most people then you're only pulling out the clips. if you watched it, you might be puzzled by it.

because it's only the legible to a very specific audience of catholics i went to a catholic high school, catholic college, but not the sort of catholic college that benedict and colleges, if you go back to georgetown during my time, there were arguing about whether crucifixes belong and catherine in classrooms whether you could be pathing out birth control in the dorms, whether the pro-choice group could even be recognized and use the name this is in many ways a reaction to a lot of catholic schools, not necessarily being seen by traditional catholics as fulfilling their traditional roles. so it doesn't make sense unless you understand the context and with his playing out, he talks about the traditional latin mass he talks about a lot of parochial in the literal sense with things that only matter. two cats do not use the rhythm method. now for that might not that's what i said, but that's how it goes back to the who the audience is. >> it's not necessarily don't point to me after the other methods psaki, this friday night, whatever, but i will say though he does quote taylor swift in his speech at one point, he knows he's the kansas

city cheap and there's obviously have attention at that point also will be goldberg came out to say, and essentially to each, to each their own and i'm a huge fan of what she did but engineer to hear what she thinks in the context, there's a lot of people who are viewing this in different ways. and as you said there's the idea of saying it, and then there's the idea of agreeing or disagreeing with it, but i want to get to another point here because i do think it's important. we're debating these issues and saying it and certainly i called it culture wars. it's also discussions about what people believe and who you're appealing to and who your audience is going to be. both candidates, trump and biden have the electorate as their audience are going to have a debate. cnn is going to be hosting that there's not going to be a physical audience, but they know they're playing to the cameras when you look and think about what's happening. and by the way, the trump campaign tonight is criticizing the biden campaign. after indicating that he would not participate in an nbc telemundo debate, he's saying that he's turning his back on latinos. i do wonder what you make of the

decision to try to beit what they're doing now and what they're not doing look, i mean, this is going to be the longest general election that america has seen in my lifetime. and for some time maybe ever actually i'm not sure about that, but i think that both candidates know that they have to talk to the american public. i think they both know that debates could go in. >> either one of their favorite, quite honestly, for various reason, trump is an unhinged debater. >> they're overrides moderators, no matter if they do their best, he doesn't follow the rules. and when biden debates, he is a traditionalist. he is going to want to speak the facts. and so i think that they need to debate the american people deserve to be debated. but there also are other ways that they're going to have to communicate to voters. i probably will suspect only a quarter of the electoral will actually make a decision based off of the debate. it's the things like going to morehouse college and making your case going to minnesota where the

former president just was at and speaking to voters. so it's a yes. and but i also don't need five debates from joe biden and donald trump, like that's enough, that's too much for me four, i'll take the under i don't think 25% of the electorate is. >> they might be tuning in, but they've already got their mind we're talking about a sliver of that, but but no, i think actually is exactly right. and look, i think we spent the last week trying to figure out who got who and who baited who and who wins and who loses. know the incentives line up for both of these guys. biden has a threshold to achieve. he needs to go out and show we can do it we saw with the state of the union the bar's pretty low, so he can actually get some pretty good news cycles if he goes out and it quits himself. well trump and republicans generally are convinced that by neither will go out there if he does, he'll draw on himself or something. and so they're not going to let him off the hook. so i think the incentives just happened to line up in this case. now, with you're going on to a third debate and forth debate. i think that's where it becomes. okay, let's let's not get carried away here. we're going to go out here, check the box as early as possible, so

people hopefully forget about it, and you can recover from it. it is going to be the longest general election we can think of. and i'm also really excited about the vp debate because we don't know who's trump's vp is. >> and i want to see who vice president harris goes all excited to see what that is. but the only people that really can call the bluff of a candidate, the voters, when a time to ask actually tell them what you want them to do. ashley allison, liam donovan. thank you both so much. >> look the top ranked golfer, scottie scheffler. you guys sent to jail and charged with assault right before we start at the tournament. >> what exactly happened that's how you next meet the phone hung in years, changing the world are you clear, concise? since driven should be ventures. >> it's him raising way to help humanity champions for change tomorrow would 90 on cnn sponsored by charles schwab to give you your teeth a dentist clean feeling. start with a round brush head ad power, and you've got oral-b round cleans

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my head still spin. >> i i can't really explain what happened this morning i did spend some time stretching in a jail cell that was a first for me from the course to jail to the t the golf we're waking up this morning to this shocking arrest of the world's number one player, scottie scheffler as he tried to navigate around the scene of a fatal accident then, you decided this year's pga championship at valhalla golf club in louisville scheffler is now facing four charges, including second-degree assault of a police officer. >> the louisville metro police department saying in part, quote, we're in the process of conducting a thorough investigation. we are appreciate to live that all parties involved are fully cooperating. >> shafer's attorneys say that the golfer will plead not guilty, joining me now, cnn sports analyst and sports columnist for usa today, christine brennan. >> so great to have you here, christine, but how bizarre is

that? i mean, scheffler he's known to be a pretty mild mannered guy. i understand, but he is calling this arrest a big misunderstanding. what what happened here it was early in the morning. >> it was dark and it was raining. laura and after this terrible accident in which there was a fatality, a man named john mills was killed crossing the street getting to the golf course the police, obviously we're redirecting traffic and scheffler says that he continued on because he was told it was okay for the golfers themselves to work their way to the golf course. and he has called it both chaotic and i'm misunderstanding in terms of where he was supposed to go, what he thought he could do versus what the police were telling him he could do. that's his story. as you alluded to. of course, the police report. the police are saying that's not the case. and in fact, once they're officers, was dragged ten feet

by scheffler's car once that car accelerated the suv accelerated and that officer went to the hospital and actually had abrasions and that's in the police report. so did that happen was an officer dragged by scottie scheffler's car or was it all just a misunderstanding? obviously, that will be determined later because that is certainly a contradiction in the stories that sounds like two very different narratives. and i'm so glad that you have mentioned the person who lost his life today, just crossing the street and what his family must be thinking about and just the sadness of it all and yet, we also heard from scottie when he was actually doing a post tournament discussion opposed interview. and that means he participated in some way did it throw him off his game? what happened? >> this is bizarre it gets. he actually played great. he came

to the golf course and he got back. he got to jail and came to the course and he shot five under 66. and he is tied for, for any is certainly in contention during the weekend to win this golf tournament, he the masters champions, the world number one. and this really bizarre and one of the things laura, that was so troubling i think was that whether it was social media or just golfers in general, fans were all worried about his tee time. we're always going to be able to make it to the golf course and yeah, that was weird. it was different and certainly understandable. meanwhile, as i mentioned, of course, john mills lost his life. this man. and it seemed as if the entire golf or pivoted to the question of scottie scheffler's t time a really bad look and a really dark day and golf. and of course, a mug shot the number one goal in the world that's not going to help the game of golf. men's golf with tv ratings that are sinking and the game really looking for a new star in the wake of tiger woods, obviously not being

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