gotten it's terrible. what's happening to our country? >> mark thesis wrote, likewise terrible what's happening it's an embarrassment it so said and i appreciate your listening but i just watched something over there. >> and you have to look at the man that they're talking. who's representing. he wasn't in the da's office he wasn't an encampment for one reason. and when they kept from the getting from washington, dc, the white house, the drg and he argued the case that means is biden that means is election interference by sweeping you are ductless or resident destroying up country with the voters and destroying our country with the worst, the worst inflation. who allow

russia and know when to attack brennan. who allows is known to be attacked. and now it's not happening is israel. and jewish people that go for biden in the democrats did have thanks very much okay, so let's bring in cnn's tawam foreman, fact checking what we just heard from donald trump. >> mr. foreman, it's a lot of what we've heard before jake is i actually remarkable how little invention there isn't this same old thing saying it's on the white house house case. the white house is prosecuting those. no, it is not. alvin bragg is a locally elected official he's been chosen up there. he has not been chosen by the white house. he's not pushing the white house's case. he says it's all about stopping him because he's leading candidate. same answer. this is a local prosecution of this. again, with the legal experts, all of them all say it's fake, it's false. not true. he said the american people see this trial as a fraud and waste of time. that's not true either. back when he was indicted, in fact, 60% of americans in a cnn poll

approved of him being indicted and he referred to this as, again and again and again, it's all a fraud, it's all fake. there's nothing to it. >> there is evidence here whether or not you agree with the evidence, whether or not you think is a good case. >> there is evidence here. they're proceeding with and he referred to it all being the work of the joe biden who he said is commonly known as crooked joe. he may be known as that at mar-a-lago but most of the country knows joe biden as mr. president so a lot, a lot there, jake, not much now. >> all right. town forming. thanks so much. appreciate it. if you're just joining us, welcome to the lead. i'm jake tapper this our new sparring in the new york hush money cover-up trial is the prosecution and defense are trying to hash out the specific typically on what the jury could be told in jury instructions next wednesday, this is one of the most critical junctures before jurors began to deliberate this case next week, plus extreme turbulence on what sounds like a nightmare flight, a boeing plane dropping suddenly, one person actually died what investigators are now saying

about what could have possibly gone wrong here leading this hour, my interview earlier with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, just minutes ago on cnn, pushing back on the international criminal court, calling for a warrant for his arrest over what the icc is calling war crimes in gaza. here's a bit of that is there anything you in the idf could have done any differently to avoid all the loss of innocent lives in gaza. >> first of all, every civilian casualty is a tragedy. every child lost or every woman. every innocent person lost is a tragedy. but for hamas, it's a strategy. so while we go out of our way to get them out of harm's way. hamas goes out of its way to keep them in harm's way, shooting at them if they tried to leave the battle zones let's get right to cnn's jeremy diamond in jerusalem and alex marquardt here in dc. >> jeremy netanyahu had a lot to say when i pressed him on israel not allowing aid into gaza fact check some of what he

had to say yeah. >> jake, as you press him on that, the israeli prime minister offered no acknowledgement of the reality of the hunger that has spread throughout the gaza strip. and he also, as he talked about the amount of aid that has gotten in his numbers were right in terms of 500,000 tons of aid, more than 20,000 trucks getting in. but these numbers were devoid of contexts. the context of the enormous amounts of pressure that had to be brought to bear for that amount of aid to be allowed in by israel for the month that it took for a cross seeing into northern gaza to be opened by the israeli government. he didn't talk about the month of february when fewer than 100 trucks of aid per day got into gaza prompting a major global security of global food security organization the month after to warn of imminent famine in the gaza strip, the israeli prime minister also said that his government fermin from day one was committed to allowing aid into gaza. that's simply not true. his government declared a total siege of the

gaza strip. it took two weeks into the war for the first aid trucks to get in and lastly, jake, he also falsely claimed the karim khan that icc top prosecutor never visited israel. karim khan actually did visit israel. he even visited keep boots bit kfar aza two visit the sites of the october 7 massacre to meet with the families of the victims of that massacre, as well as survivors. all of that leading him to, on the other side seek arrest warrants not only against the israeli prime minister. and these really defense minister bus but in this case against hamas as leaders you have new reporting about a senior egyptian intelligence officer quietly changing the terms of the ceasefire proposal earlier this month before it was presented to hamas, we asked netanyahu about your scoop. take a listen to his answer. >> look i think we have a goal which is not only to defeat hamas, but also to release the hostages my government has been able to secure the release of

124 hostages so far. we're committed to get the rest. hamas unfortunately, has been hunkering down on a demand that is simple. they say, well we can release the rest of the hostages, maybe. but in order to do that, you have to get out of gaza end the war and allows basically to regroup and reconquer gaza. so that's something i would agree to i hope egypt understands that we can agree to something like that tell us more alex, about what your sources are telling you well, jacob netanyahu, they're laying out the main sticking point between the two sides that hamas essentially wants an end to the war and the idf three pulled out a gaza and netanyahu was saying, essentially, we're not going to talk about that until the hostages start coming home. and that they want to keep going after hamas. but what we understand as sources telling jeremy diamond and myself is that there was a deal on the table that israel had all but agreed to. this was a deal that the us was saying was extraordinarily generous. who was something that egypt was aware of? egypt took that deal

back and started talking to hamas and realized that hamas was not going to go for a lot of the terms of this deal. and so egyptian intelligence and one senior egyptian intelligence official in particular, whose name is occupied, abdel hollich started to change the terms in a way that it would be more palatable to hamas. and that was given to hamas. and jake, you remember three weeks ago on may 6, hamas said that they accepted the deal and there was this brief moment of celebration until everyone realized that this was not the deal that had been agreed to by israel that had been talked about with the other mediators, the the us and qatar, one source telling me we were all duped to the point where even hamas might have been that same source saying that hamas officials were telling other members that they believed that a ceasefire was going to start eminently. now the main us official who has been in charge of trying to get this deal across the line as the cia director, bill burns he's very mild mannered, as you know, jake, i'm told that he owned most blue a gasket.

now that talks didn't in fall apart in that very moment, but just a couple of days later, i was told by several sources that there were paused. they have not picked up since and it does not look like those conversations is going to start anytime soon, jake. >> all right. alex, mark martin, jeremy diamond. thanks to both the you joining us down and discuss republican senator dan solomon of alaska, senator, let's start with what we heard from prime minister netanyahu when i asked him about his long-term plans for the day after, is israel going to occupy gaza, whether militarily or with the civilian government? this is what he had to say taking off the table and israeli a few mean if you mean resettling if you mean resettling gaza was never in the cards and i said so openly in some of my constituents are not happy about it, but that's my position. >> i would do is have a reconstruction of gaza if possible, done by the model but arab states and the international community, he says that he wants gaza to be run by gazans and he wants gaza to be there to be a

reconstruction by arab states in the international community. yeah, i mean, i want to be 25 again, that doesn't mean it's going to happen. you know what i mean? like it's very easy to say such a thing, but but how does it happen? >> well, look, i think his point on the moderate arab states is a really important one right, right now. >> as you probably know, jake they have not stepped up in terms of economic assistance. traditionally, the united states has been the largest supplier of economic existence before october 7. but i think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves, right? we need he to continue to enable israel to destroy hamas. nothing matters beyond that initial objective. we also need to work with them to make sure that innocent lives are spared and we limit the number of casualties in gaza and the west bank, do you think they're doing everything they can to limit the number of casualties because it doesn't sound like the biden administration does. >> well, look, you asked the important question you ask a

pointed question as you know, what we call in the military mount military operations in urban train are the most dangerous. they're the most bloody, they're the most difficult particularly when your main enemy uses civilians as shields. so it's a difficult situation. but remember israel, the idf does not target civilians the way hamas does in this is why the icc action just yesterday was so outrageous. >> the moral equivalency, what they did in terms of equating israeli actions with hamas actions is an outrage as you're probably seeing here in washington dc, whether it's the president blinken, chuck schumer are many republican senators like myself. >> we're all collin this outrageous and dangerous and reprehensible so let me ask you because you are a veteran do you think israel is doing the same taking the same care that american service members take

when engaged in urban warfare. >> and the reason i ask is because first of all, the direct terrorist attack by hamas on 1,200. yeah, yeah innocent israelis, the continued hostage taking. >> yeah, it's, you know, these people israeli soldiers, they're not robots. i mean, they're human beings. i could certainly understand anger and rage. it's a little different than the united states fighting in iraq or afghanistan. there's a little bit more distance from the victims of nine 11, for example, do you think that there is the same kind of karen precision, the same kind of equation made when it comes to rules of engagement in terms of the risk, when you're going after hamas. and then the level of the hamas fighter will look, you're raising a really important question. i think, you know, went to israel right after the october 7 attacks with a bipartisan caudell of us senators. very important because the sense of the x

existential threat that, that country faces are most important ally in the middle east is so palpable when you're there in a lot of americans were criticizing israel. i think don't understand that we, in a meeting with the prime minister and the defense minister they said, imagine nine, 11 happening, but the terrorists weren't in afghanistan. they were about 20 miles away still strong and ready to attack again, that the government of the country next door and the mill let's area of the country next door. exactly. so but to your question, we've had a lot of american military experts, david petraeus, i know was recently on your program. one of our top experts at the i think it was a west point center for counter-terrorism they are saying that the israelis have done incredible job. now it's not without civilian casualties as the prime minister said nobody wants civilian casualties. any innocent civilian is a horrible

tragedy. but again, this is an extension threat to israel in there trying to do their best in terms of limiting casualties but you have an urban terrain setting. you have tunnels, hundreds of miles of tunnels, and you have an enemy that's ruthless and has no problem actually using civilians as shields. in, in some ways doesn't mind seeing the civilian casualty rate going up because it plays into their strategy senator solvent, it's always good to see you. great. thank you so much, sir. appreciate it. at after hours of back-and-forth with lawyers jury instructions are now being sent in the very first criminal case against donald trump. this in the hush money cover-up case, the details that could set the tone on whether donald trump is acquitted in this case or convicted. we're back in a moment.

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agreed to or settled at least in this meeting yeah, jake, it's important to remember that the former president is charged with 34 counts counts of falsifying business records and the felony here is that he did this according to prosecutors, to commit or conceal another crime. >> well, throw these jury instructions. we have a clearer picture of what that other crime is and what will be presented to jurors to sort of navigate. their deliberations process. essentially, they're saying he violated state election laws that forbids a person to seek an election by unlawful means and some of this negotiating back-and-forth on the defense's side, they asked for several things to be put in those jury instructions, which the judge simply just did not agree to. let me give you a few examples. for example, he wanted it to jury instructions to include that the jurors need to be unanimous when it comes to what that unlawful means, actually is that's one example. another is they want to jurors to know that hush money isn't illegal. >> the judge says he's not going going to be putting that in his instructions than other

one. >> they said they would like the jurors to be instructed about cohen's plant up, that cohen actually sent his phones to factory reset to which the prosecution actually laughed at and said, we've never even heard of that instruction, never before. the judge also agreed and said that that will not be part of those drugs curry instructions. so there was not many wins for a meal bogey on the defense's side, but there were some a lot of the thornier issues i will say the judge said he's gonna reserve his judgment and decide the outcome, and he told both sides if they're going to get the final drafts of these jury instructions by thursday. so the teams have the full weekend to prepare for the closing arguments. and of course, that's some jurors will be back to get those on tuesday, jake. >> all right. virgin grass outside of the courtroom in manhattan. thanks so much with us. now be discuss criminal defense attorney stacey schneider and former federal process to cater gene rossi. gene, the defense rested its case today. and now the jury's on a week break until closing arguments next tuesday, what do you make of the judge's decision to not start deliberations right away due to

the memorial day break i think it's a good decision. the only risk i'm worried about here is because of the long break you may have jurors that go off the beaten path, if you will. and here, any comments about the trial, but listen if they had done closings thursday it would have taken up the whole weekend of the jurors. i think let's start on monday or tuesday, i guess. and i got to say this. it i think this benefits the prosecution because after all the hits that cohen has taken, that prosecution, they really have to cross their t's and dot there hi, guys. in their closing argument and rebuttal because they have a tougher road to hoe than they did at the beginning with david pecker, stacy robert costello, bob costello was the final witness for the defense. yesterday, costello was loudly sighing. lisa, ridiculous at one point, he said jeez after

judge merchan sustained objections from the prosecution, judge machina that he admonished costello and said, okay, so when there's a witness on the stand, if you don't like by ruling, you don't say, jeez. okay. and then you don't say strike it because i'm the only one that can strike testimony in the courtroom. do you understand that? costello said i understand. the judge said okay. and then if you don't like my ruling, you don't give me side. i don't roll your eyes. do you understand that? you understand that because stella says, i understand that. i understand what you're saying. the judge said, okay. thank you. let's get the jury back. wait. are you staring me down right now? costello know i'm just wondering how marsha and clear the courtroom, please. clear the courtroom. >> and then whatever happened after that, we don't know what's costello a good witness for the defense to end on. i mean, to moments like that stick with the jury oh, yes, they stick with the jury robert costello was a broken trigger, misfire of a defense witness. i think he was an unmitigated

disaster and all of the games that the prosecution made on cross-examination of michael cohen by getting in that phone calls to trump's bodyguard and the 14 year-old who was harassing him and leaving the impression that michael coe never talked about this before, and there was no time to talk about trump with stormy daniels and getting in the fact that michael cohen emitted to stealing money from the trump organization. all that was sort of now diminished significantly by robert costello's testimony. and i want to point out exactly the point where i think they blew a hole in their case, meaning the trump team on the prosecution, on cross-examinati on went to robert costello and showed him this email from may 15 of 2018 which robert costello was writing to his law partner, and it said while he was trying to obtain michael cohen as his clients. so this was sort of the meetings and

trying to get them to hire him. he said to his partner we have an issue. we have to get michael cohen on the right page to give the appearance that were not being instructed by rudy giuliani on a and the president. and to me to hear that coming out of the mouth of an attorney who is trying to get a new client that he is the impression i have is he's totally influenced and going after cohen as a client because of donald trump so what is donald trump worried about in sending robert costello into obtain michael cohen and keep pressure on him, michael cohen was testifying throughout direct examination that i felt this pressure campaign from bob costello i didn't trust him. i didn't want to say things to him because i thought it would go back to rudy giuliani and go to the president. well, by by donald trump's team calling bob costello as a witness and opening this door, they now

introduce something that wouldn't not have been there had they just been quiet. and it was a disaster? >> and gene let me ask you, you said a high point for the defense was during their cross with michael cohen about that october 24, 2016 phone call, todd blanche trump's attorney says, when you testified about that, one minute and 36 minute phone call, i'm sorry, one minute and 36 second phone call on october 24th was not with keith schiller that you called keith schiller and he passed the phone if president trump, you finalize the deal with stormy daniels. you said we're going to move forward and he said yes, because you kept them informed all the time that was your testimony, right? cohen says that's correct. biden says that was a lie you are actually talking to mr. schiller about the fact that you are getting a harassing phone call from 14-year-old, correct? cohen said part of it was the 14 year-old but i know that keith was with mr. trump at the time and there was more than potentially just this that's what i recall. what do you think about that, jane, you think that's pretty important i think it's important.

>> first off, i got i got a copy. mitch, stacy, that is a brilliant remarks you made about costello. i fully agree. let's talk about the cohen call it's not a home run jake, but it is sort of texas singing go because in one minute 36 seconds, you can talk a lot beyond just the 14 year-old. so they did zing them a little bit, but it wasn't a left hook that was going to knock them out. but i got to say this michael cohen took a lot of hits he really he really did do well in certain questions, but i gotta go back to what stacy said. they watched it all away by calling costello because one thing you learn as a defense attorney in a prosecutor, primacy recency, you only get one chance at a first oppression and they always remember your last act and they ended on a dud that actually rehabilitated rehabilitated

michael cohen, who said that costello was sort of a double agent for donald trump. >> all right. it's in gene rozzi and stacey schneider. thanks to both. you appreciate it. >> i want to get more reaction to my interview just moments ago with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu plus senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. as today about that controversial upside down american flag that flew outside the home of supreme court justice samuel alito. we'll be right back. >> cnn this morning with kasie hunt tomorrow at five easter did you know sling has your favorite news programs for just $40 a month my favorite news for just $40 a month my favorite news for just $40 a month. faulty dollars a month like favorite for just $40 a month $40 get your favore

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warrant to him over what they are calling war crimes in gaza and netanyahu calling it beyond outrageous as well as the political fallout from israel's war with hamas is creating for president biden's reelection. bid. let's bring in the panel to discuss both gloria borger, what, what did you think of what netanyahu, who had to say? >> i think he doesn't give an inch. >> i think there's a certain reality out there that you were talking about in your questions to him and he doesn't give an inch and it's it's not even acknowledging the destruction in gaza it's kind of, he said, well, one life has one life too many. >> benny goes on with his usual spiel and you know, he's gotta divided government to deal with but he is you know, he is just unwavering. and i think as much as you try to say, well, here's the reality on the ground. he would not acknowledge it at night or yesterday, president biden

reiterated his support for israel after this icc decision, you heard beth centre earlier in the show saying the one of the best things that's happened in anything out, who is this icc report because it's united people in his country as well as democrats. and republicans everybody blasting this icc report, not everybody, but you know what i mean? the world leaders or the congressional leaders, netanyahu saying, i'm sorry, biden saying what's happening is not genocide also reiterating that argument. his stance on the war really dividing democrats. what do you make of it? all that's interesting to see that when he was speaking at morehouse, he clapped wendy valedictorian called for an immediate ceasefire, and this is going to be biden's challenge going forward is, how does he take his perspective from being senate four? >> since chair and dealing with a older generation of israeli palestinian leadership and compute that for a modern electorate and a modern view of israel as a power in the middle east and not a country that is

is under threat and at risk all the time. all of those things are true for israel at the same same time, the icc report though, is essentially going to fall on deaf ears for israel, the united states, even though the united states develop the rome statute it's not a signatory. there's also a signatory. united states can talk all it wants about liberal world order and international rules of the road. but nothing about the criminal court applies to the united states government. and it's the challenge is going to be further isolating this idea of humanitarian law from what is us power on the world stage, as long as you bring up the president, biden's address to morehouse on sunday we mentioned on the show sunday. but you're an that's your alma mater. you're an alum. >> there was a lot of anticipation that there would be real protests and there were a couple of people engaged in peaceful protest, putting their back to him, but not really. >> i mean, in fact, it's been observed by some press critics on the left that we didn't cover it because it was the dog

that didn't bark, right? i mean, morehouse men, we're were pretty well behaved. >> i mean, they showed other institutions across the country, jake, how you should do this, whether you agree with the president or not. and i have a whole lot of disagreement with president, but you still respect the office you showcase deference regardless of what your political cool ideas are. >> and most of those guys, jake, went to high school, they didn't have high school graduation. >> they didn't have a problem because there's really about wanting to give a memory to their parents, particularly the moms. and so they wanted to be on their best behaviors and more how showcase why it is the criminal the crop in terms of hbcus in the country, not to brag, okay so there's, there's the morehouse advertise you don't have, to send in a check this year. >> i don't i just gave a little video contribution. let's talk about the controversy going on with supreme court justice samuel alito and that upside-down american flag that the new york times broke the story of the was at the flagpole in the days

in the middle of the stop the steal movement and even senator lindsey graham, a republican and a big supporter of alito, called that a mistake i don't think he should be recused, but i don't think creates a bad bet image. >> you created a situation that we're all talking about. so yeah, i think it was a mistake and just to be clear, the upside-down american flag has always, it's traditionally a distress symbol and people have done it after obama got elected conservatives did it after trump got elected liberals instead it, but at this point in time, it stood for stop the steal, right? >> and it's it's just kind of empirically an odd that a supreme court justice, even if it was his wife who did it, right through his wife under the bus pretty much. >> well let's just assume that it's true that it's still, it's his house, right? >> hi. >> can he let the flag fly like that for awhile. it's not like

it flew like that for a day and then he said, oh my god, this is a terrible thing to do. let's take this down no, it's stood there and stayed there for a while. yeah and after january 6, and as even lindsey graham graham said, it was a mistake, it was bad judgment. but again, asu supreme court, it's not going to hear anything about it. >> this idea that different groups in the united states are allowed to protest and show. but the supreme court is still considered to be this bastion of independent thought and time and time again, clarence thomas, samuel alito antonin scalia have made clear that they have strong political leanings and there's no accountability for it. so alito's going to get away with the oh, haha. it was just a moment, just a joke. but he has signaled in that time to a segment of the population that he supports. their extremist views. >> what's your michael, i want to get your reaction to what senator mcconnell said. republican leader. when manu raju asked him if alito should recuse himself because they're all these cases having to do

with the 2020 election. take a listen it seems to me they're just non-stop attacks on the supreme court we after week after week. and so i'm not going to dignify that with a response we need to leave the supreme court alone. >> protect them from people who went into their neighborhoods and tried to do them harm look out for the supreme court at part of the job but the administrator i mean, i agree you shouldn't go you're for people whose homes and harass them. but i do think there's some serious concern with a fraction of the country who are not conservative, who wonder, can the court maintained his objectivity and the reality is, jake, if if if candidate would allow me to tell a little bit of truth here if a liberal leaning justice did the opposite, but showcase some signals to liberals that hey, i am with you. i can guarantee you every conservative in the country would say this is absolutely a disgrace to the

court. they should somehow recuse themselves or maybe we should even pass the legislation to hold them to account. and so i think republicans should be objective about this. let's be honest, it was a terrible idea. he should have taken the door and thing down the country is divided in a fractured enough, the last thing we need is the furtherance of that divide. >> and the idea that this is in response to a rude neighbor and it sounds like that's a fruit neighbors. yeah, it's a credit it's a very word number. >> i don't question like that. neighbor is not a supreme court justice. right? i right. we do have different standards, right we definitely do it. this. someone of stature, whether you're male or female email, i think we're typically talk to the spouses and say all right, do not embarrass me because i think if you want to talk about pillow talk ginni thomas have time for it. >> thanks. so all of you appreciate it coming up next. brand new images on that nightmare flight turbulent, so severe, one person died, the inside of the plane, trashed, what investigators say when so terribly wrong mid-flight, that's coming up every day,

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plane on stretchers the boeing 777 departed from london this morning, it encountered severe turbulence and had to make an emergency landing in bangkok. >> cnn's ivan watson brings us now the latest from thailand injuries and death after a moment of terror, 30,000 feet in the sky. >> a singapore airlines flight hit with severe turbulence, throwing some passengers around the cabin. >> just moments after the seat belt sayyed was switched on lighting and air ventilation tubing spilling out from the ceiling, food trays from breakfast, littered across the floor emergency workers raced to bangkok's when they bloom international airport on tuesday afternoon after the flight turned deadly traffic control on the tarmac. >> quick to redirect ambulances and set up a makeshift medical tense for injured passengers

flight sq three-to-one departed from london and was on route to singapore, but severe turbulence force pilots to make an emergency landing in thailand the condition of the skies resulted in the death of one person while aboard the flight. >> many others now in critical condition with dozens more injured and the plane landed at the airport and the medical team was sent to the same many injuries occurred. so the airport had to issue an emergency the planned holdout. teams went to help out to the airline, has launched an investigation into the incident with the british embassy. also deploy going officials to support those in hospital the passengers left with the question of how this all went so wrong now jake, the passenger who died aboard,

singapore air flight sq three-to-one one has been identified as a 73 year-old british man named jeff kitchen, identified by the thornberry musical theater group where he worked for some 35 years here's meanwhile, more than 70 of the passengers and crew members have been hospitalized at a hospital. >> here in bangkok that is nearly a third of all the passengers and crew members that were aboard this singapore airlines flight when it hit this violent patch of turbulence somewhere where over airspace over me and mark before making the emergency landing cnn sayyed and watson and thailand for us. >> thank you so much. i've been up next so many america american voters considered the single most important issue for them in 20 2040 be the economy. my next guest ran the numbers on proposed plans for both biden and trump, will get her takeaways next hot spring moving sale has been extended, save up to 25% on moving in

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new washington post column out today, my next guest says, if you think a second trump term would be better for your finances, you should think again, her view, catherine ramp powell, is the her in question. she's washington post opinion column columnist and cnn economics and political commentator. thanks so much for being here catherine, it's always good to see you looking at their economic proposals. >> who in your view, would make things more affordable for the average american so if you look at polling as you point out, americans overwhelmingly think trump would be better for their finances and for the overall economy and i get it, inflation has been really painful, but i would implore voters to look at what a second trump presidency would actually include in into, in terms of an economic agenda. so i'm talking about things like, how would you change taxes? and there was a new study out yesterday from the peterson institute that looked at the distributional implications of trump's overall tax policies. so what he would do to the income tax code as well as things like tariffs. and he found that excuse me, that found that for

the bottom 80% of americans, their tax burden would go up. >> how, what, how would it go up? why would it go up? >> because tariffs are taxes, they cost people money and if you look at the prior rounds of trump taxes that the previous trade wars that he engaged, numb washing machines, chinese goods, solar panels, steel et cetera. there are a number of studies by top-notch economists at top-notch universities and topnotch academic journal looking at who bore the cost of those, was tariffs. and it was either entirely or mostly americans. >> so you can see that the cost of those tariffs were passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices. >> if you stack that alongside trump's income tax cuts and he would cut people's rates or at least extend the tax cuts that you put in place in 2017, whatever savings people had from lower income tax rates would be more than wiped out by those tariffs, particularly for low-income people, because tariffs tend to be quite regressive, okay. so if i were with the trump campaign, i

might say. >> all right, i'll see your tariffs and income tax adjustment since and i'll show you biden's inflation. and i want to show you what chart from the wall street journal they conservatives have been showing on social media to show why in their view bidenomics is not working. the chart shows household net worth under trump and biden, that's on the left. and then when you add, when you when the wages are adjusted for inflation the line flattens under biden. i think that's a blue line so if you look on the right the reason why people don't feel like they're wealthy, but they're wealthier there is as good as the biden says, the economy actually is, is because inflation has totally kick them in the teeth so trump argues this is, this is bidenomics. what would you be i would say a few things, yes, inflation has really painful some of that is about global phenomena, things that are beyond the us president's

control. >> there are things that i think biden has done badly, frankly, and i've written about those as well. >> and you've discussed them on the show. >> in fact, i have, yes. but if you look at that chart that was on the left showing the increase in wealth under trump. i think it's a little bit misleading. some of that was sort of a covid induced asset boom or even asset bubble so the red line on the left shouldn't is misleading becacause they were putting so much money into the economy but it was a number of things. so there was a lot of force saving, right? because many of us were trapped at home. and so we couldn't travel and we couldn't go out to restaurants those savings are part of our net worth home prices went way up. that was partly due to covid, that was partly due to very low interest rates. you may recall that there was a lot of other financial frothy enos. let's say you remember that the meme stocks, for example, much of that was sort of toward the end of trump's presidency.

presidency, some of that was towards the beginning of biden's gamestop amc et cetera. so assets were really strong. assets or people are part of people's net worth. whether we're talking about stock markets or their homes. so some of that was about what was going on in economy and to be fair, some of it was about government policy, trump sat down a bunch of checks. he he increased the unemployment insurance reimbursement rates which also put put money in people's bank accounts subsequently, republicans have disavowed that policy, but that also meant that people were wealthier. so some of it was about covid again, i'm not dismissing the fact that inflation has been really painful for eriksson's. i would also add that you should look at what trump would do on the economy that might affect inflation. so i mentioned raising costs through tariffs. that's not the only thing he would also kneecap the federal

reserve. there's been a lot of reporting about that, including in the wall street journal recently talking about how trump, what essentially rob the federal reserve of its political independence, which you can look historically, generally leads to higher inflation rates he's talked about devaluing the dollar. again, higher inflation rates, and he's talked about essentially slashing the labor force by cutting immigration that also contributes to inflation. if inflation is your number one issue, i get it it's, it's kinda sucked under biden partly because of choices these made, partly because of global events. but look at what trump would do if you put them back in office. >> catherine run pal. thanks so much for being here. i appreciate it. breaking news from iowa tornadoes on the crown this afternoon or maybe leaving pads of destruction will have the latest from the midwest it would be just off to the west and southwest this is teres look of total relaxation and this is his john deere x three 50 launcher he cuts millions of blades of grass

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