first and sometimes things happen this way. there are other kinds of the turbulence that you can avoid, which are more associated with whether obviously, big, towering cumulus clouds associated with thunderstorms. you want to avoid those. there are weather events just being in the wake of a big airplane can cause turbulence. mountain wave is another one when skips off a mountain but this one insidious kind clear-air turbulence defies. it's it's invisible to the system, unfortunately, so it's important if a pilot gets are those reports that light goes up to buckle your seat belts by all means, backlit while you see i mean, after seeing that video, i think everyone it's doing that, especially people who are watching this from a plane right now, miles o'brien, it's great to have your course. our hearts go out to the passenger who was killed on that flight thank you, miles for that.

also, a programming note because tomorrow here on the source, we will be joined by republican senator ted cruz his first interview here on the source, you won't want to miss it. thank you so much for joining us tonight. those in a news night with abby, phillip starts right now the headlines you might have missed about donald trump's second term plans let's tonight on new side good evening i'm abby phillip in new york tonight. the final countdown to closing arguments and trump's hush money trial is on summations are set for next tuesday and then the judge will hand this case off to the jury. those 12 men and women are charged with deciding whether the former president remains a free man. >> it is a heading decision, but no less consequential than the one that every day americans will face in november. >> now virtually every word uttered in that courtroom,

every movement by the judge, the jury, the defendant, scrutinized, dissected but outside of the courtroom, trump has given the country plenty of new evidence about what he plans to do if he captures the oval office so let's go headlined by headline lawfare trump plans to prosecutors predecessor joe biden for all of the many crimes to trump says biden is committed, but refuses to actually name saturday night massacres. well, trump says shore. he told time magazine he would fire us attorneys who don't follow his orders to prosecute is opponents you consider hiring someone under federal investigation as attorney general? well, yes. trump says that ken paxton is on his list of possible ags fire the fed chair, a close trump confidant says, from jail, mind you, you can bet on it spark or trade war that can take money from middle-class wallets. that's under advisement to 1 billion-dollar quid pro quo offered up to oil executives.

that's now under investigation by house democrats. a plan for sweeping immigration raids, deportations, internment camps, those are also being drawn up, monitoring and prosecuting women who have abortions it's up to the states. trump says contraceptive bands. trump now says, never, but that's just hours after saying, we'll see do you support any restrictions on a person's right to contraception we're looking at that and i'm going to have a policy on that very shortly. >> things really do have a lot to do with the states withhold funds from congress. trump says, he can do that. deploy the national guard to cities on a whim. trump believes he has the power to do that too. but the same election deniers who tried to discard the constitution in charge of upholding the constitution. that is also part of trump's plan. the civil service, you can expect that to be gutted social media posts, borrowing language from nazi germany.

well, it happened during trump's first term, and it's happening again now add it all up, and trump has given the american people are pretty clear picture of how he plans to govern joining me now, pollster franklin's sara fischer, senior media reporter at axios, jamal simmons, former deputy assistant to president biden, and coleman hughes, author of the end of race politics frank you know, it used to be said that once you're in the general election phase, the candidates move to the middle. >> donald trump seems to be doing quite the opposite. there was two minutes of a very impressive indictment. and i'm looking at this wondering, how can american support this guy. but the fact is half for the country who's made up their minds support trump in the key swing states, six out of seven support trump so clearly there's something that he's saying is connecting. now the way that you presented here is really powerful and it's an

indictment. but to the public, they look at the border and they say chaos and they want someone to fix it they look at affordability and they say, i can't even buy my food, my fuel, my, my homes, my health care. they want someone to fix that. they look at. can they see the china's a threat? all the things that you point out, you did a fantastic job and some of it is in his own language except there's a lot of americans who want that to happen, want accountability, want responsibility, and they want some of the get really, really tough. >> yeah. okay. so i think that that's undoubtedly true plenty of americans, trump's supporters especially want to see all of those very things happen but this is also a trump who like last time, keeps flirting with the fringe. this whole thing about the nazi return of the reich are unified reich in this video is pretty outrageous and they keep making

it sound like an accident. but how many accidents could there possibly be? i want to play what president biden said about that as the biden campaign is now seizing on it you sound is official account. >> wow, a unified reich. >> that schindler's language, that's not america's. he cares about holding on to power. i care about you all right. >> vertical video for tiktok. there's a mental work with i think what we know now is like half of americans are getting most of their news scrolling on a, on a phone. >> and so the campaign is trying to communicate with those americans. the language and the culture that, that occurs donald trump is telling us what it is he wants to do. he's telling us where his inclinations are. he certainly telling us not telling us what he won't do, right? it's not like he's saying, oh, i'd never do that. that's not the reality of this is donald trump is willing to throw out all of the norms and cultural thing that we think we settled as long as it means that he gets to have power. and the american

system. and that's ultimately what this is about. because even when he's asked a question about contraception, it's clear he didn't know what that guy was talking about. he didn't actually have a policy. it's just we'll get there. oh, yeah. we'll figure it out. at this point. you really think that donald trump doesn't know what he wants his policy to ultimately be on contraception or is he just telling the truth that it's open for discussion that he would consider banning it if the states wanted to do. i think it's open for discussion because there might be a group of people who are willing to vote for him who want to hear him say something and he doesn't quite know yet what they want him to say. so he's got to go back and figure out what the deal is. like he did with the judge's he's got to go back and figure out who he can cut the deal with and give them something and whether that'll help him get elected. >> yeah. look, i think donald trump is bad enough that we ought not exaggerate so this nazi thing, for example, this is a classic case of, i think people seizing on interpreting something in the worst possible

light. so for example, the word reich in this context was pulled from wikipedia talking about the reich before hitler was born, right? it wasn't nazi, it wasn't. >> i'm sorry. are you are you trying to suggest that the the use of the term unified reich, which by the way, literally no one uses, no one talks about reich's unless are talking about hitler in, in modern day, you really think that that was some kind of obscure reference to the right before hitler know that this is a reporting, this is reporting, this is in the new york times is the reporting was that they lifted from the wikipedia page of pre-world war won germany referred to as the second reich. hitler was the third and they just lifted some language, pasted in there, has nothing to do with nazis are the editors for this because on any normal campaign in any normal part of life when you see something that references the reich, you are thinking about hitler and nazi germany.

but this is the probably has incompetent staffers. that's surprised nobody. and i don't think he he's very much on top of his campaign this is donald trump were talking about, there's a person that accidentally tweeted cafe. so i think on attribute to malice, what can be explained by just incompetent but his office becomes the reality of his world? >> yes. and he's still very effective communicator. i think what frank was saying about all the people who are listening to this message and they feel excited about some of it. it's because of the way that he knows how to deliver a message and knows how to test the message. part of what i think to your zero point about this conflicting messaging around what he would do around contraception is he's trying to figure out what's going to resonate with the base, what's not going to resonate with the base? >> and a lot of the stuff that he communicates around, deploying the national guard. >> these are buzzwords, right? americans here, deploy the national guard and that signifies a power. so part of what trump is doing is very strategic in testing the messages and also deploying the right words that he knows are going to trigger people. >> so i know i'm sure to play host, but i still don't

understand that two minutes. did you started was it was fantastic if you want to make the case against donald trump. and yet the guy is still talking, winning. let me ask you that's been indicted 91 times. he's in court right now. it's embarrassing. it's kind of pathetic. >> well, let me ask you that. is it because americans see and hear all of these things and they it's simply do not take him seriously. >> they look at an unknown to say that they look at issues because it really isn't issues anymore. and i apologize every time i sit next to a journalist because they wanted to be issues, but it's really attributes, character traits, who we are as people and in the end they look and they think our country's going to hell, you know, this is the most negative. we've ever been in terms of division, the most pessimistic we've ever been in terms of the next generation. and they think that trump is better able to address that

even with all the crap that he says. and it's my warning to viewers that they're not going to pay attention to whether it's the second reich or the third reich. the naca pay attention those details. they are going to think who's going to put more money in my pocket, who's going to secure the border and in the end, who's going to improve my quality of life? can we, can we also asked and that's i mean, when you ok. >> let's put aside the alleged nazi reference. when you see that, i mean, do you believe that donald trump is in fact actually planning a potential second term that is far more extreme than even his first term. and that do you believe that that should be something that voters are concerned about? >> yes and no my guess is that when he talks about these insane and beyond impractical, but plans to deport 20 million people, which have an additional ethical issues, practical issues my guess is it

will probably again, end up like the same plan when he said it in 2015 and 2016 and then ended up deporting fewer people than obama did on the other hand, i do worry about the retaliatory prosecutions the idea that he will be nice yeah. yeah. i worry more than he could vindictively weaponize weaponize the the legal system against his opponents, against those who were disloyal to him, against the long list of enemies he is he's made in the past four and eight years. i mean, that's that seems to me the more serious possible make no mistake. that's his number one priority. the first thing he will do when he gets to office, he has said this is brand people who have proven loyalty to him and get rid of everyone including to your point at the top, civil servants that he doesn't think prioritize the needs of trump over everything. >> yeah. he's good tip are one thing, september with a reframe. >> this isn't all about trump.

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everyone saw coming. >> donald trump did not, and will not testify in his own defense at the hush money trial. that's despite weeks of saying that he would yeah. >> i would just have i absolutely. it's a scam. it's a scam that's not a trail. i'm testifying. i tell the truth. i mean, all i can do is tell the truth. >> are you more or less likely you think to take the stand in the manhattan case right now, i know well, if it's necessary, probably so i would like to i mean, i think so the jury is now one step closer to decide trump's fate as the defense rests, its case, prosecutors ultimately called 20 witnesses over 15 days of testimony, while trump's lawyers called just too, including one who legal experts called a disaster on the witness stand, the jury is now expected did you here closing arguments next week, joining me now to discuss this former trump white house attorney jim scholtz, also with us former federal prosecutor,

gene rossi jim, both sides rested closing arguments next week, this is i think going to come down to how much can the prosecution simplify this case? >> he's for the jury, because ultimately it can get pretty messy this is gonna be very difficult closing argument for the prosecution. >> and the reason for that is just what you articulated. it's a very complicated case. the jury instructions are going to be confusing, no doubt about it. they are confusing the presentation has to be succinct short. have appropriate timeline, and also tie everything together. and, and make up for the fact that michael cohen isn't the greatest witness. he's got all the baggage he has all the things that were identified. so they're going to have to work through all those issues and kind of talk hi, this case together in a way that doesn't make it entirely hinging upon the testimony of cohen, which is tough to do.

>> so what's your gut tell you at this stage about what the jury might ultimately do here. >> tough to say you're not in a courtroom watching the jury, you're not seeing what the jury is what their reactions aren't everything. >> but i would not be surprised in any way, shape, or form at this came back with a hung jury that someone saying absolutely no way we're not going to convict him. >> and someone's because they absolutely he should be convicted that you're going to end you're going to have i wouldn't be surprised he had that push and pull and up with mr. trump. >> so you only need one person technically to hang a jury, but it's also not that common i mean, do you think that's a possibility i if i add a bit money right now and read the tea leaves tashi ogg refi reading the tea leaves, i would say there's going to be a hung jury if i had a bet money right now could he be found guilty? >> d of multiple capture? i don't know if he's going to run a table and be acquitted. but i want to follow up on what jim said i've done tax cases, i've done fraud cases and i've

been trying to think about the theme that the prosecutor is going to have in what i call the final mosaic, the closing next tuesday and so complicated that many lawyers can understand it. and even though there are two lawyers on a jury, i got to tell you when actuary gets a net, the deliberation room, they're going to have an epiphany. they're going to say, listen, this is the former president of the united states we have a herculean task. we are going to have to find him guilty of something if they don't understand the crime for which they're supposed to find him guilty. you're going to have a lot of questions during deliberations. and you could have one or two jurors holding out maybe more so. >> okay. let me play devil's advocate here since but go ahead. >> go ahead. >> ultimately as simple presentation of the case, donald trump didn't want this to come out before an election. >> he directed his staff to reimburse michael cohen so that it wasn't didn't show up on

the fec records he. paid out a porn star that's the simple case. is it not it is. but in the end, you really have to show that donald trump had knowledge and directed the debt business record be recorded that way that hinges on one person at this 0.2 corroborate it. it's michael cohen. and if they don't believe him, if they think he's a lot hi, there and look, we've seen a lot of times with our liars on the stand, people another liars. they still believe their testimony. but if they believe he's a liar and there's one person that says, no way am i believe in michael cohen cases over yeah. i mean, michael cohen is a liar. do you think that the defense adequately invalidated all of his tests? some one because i mean, he's owned up to his lives. >> well, i was telling jim samadhi bulgur von or killed 19 people. and he was the john god-he's henchmen he basically told on a wiretap said to his henchmen, if you go to florida grand jury, you should lie 50%

of the time. tell the truth, 50% of the time, the jury believed everything he said. so a liar can be believed by a jury i had that in my cases were liars were believed by a jury for michael cohen. here's where the rubber meets the road. it's what you said. >> can you place donald trump's mind when he signs those checks? >> in his criminal intent, that when he had the false invoice that it was connected somehow to affecting the election. he may have known there were something shady with the souffle invoice, but he has to have the mens rea of the intent to connect it to a crime such as election dilation and other than michael cohen, you have to rely on circumstantial evidence that may not be enough. >> yeah. with two lawyers on the jury. that's going to be an interesting picture. gentlemen. i want to move on to something slightly different because today we actually got an update

on that. other case that donald trump is involved with this the documents case, the new unsealed documents show that the fbi authorized the use of deadly force in the mar-a-lago rain. trump, his allies are making a big thing of this. they're saying that this was some kind of attempt by the fbi to authorize them to harm drop, right? right. >> what's the what are the facts? i did i did a lot of search warrants, reviewed them, wrote them it's standard operating procedure for the fbi or any any federal agency, your state agency, when they execute a search warrant, they have the authority to use deadly force if necessary. >> so, if donald trump's complaining about how in an affidavit or procedurally, they had the authority to use deadly force, join a club. you're just like any other citizen. you shouldn't be treated any different. >> it feels a little bit like playing with fire two insinuate

something like that about what the fbi is doing, which is basically what they do with every absolutely like donald trump stands for political, political points here. and so are as advocates and in the end, remember, she could services their secret service knew this was coming secret services onsite there law enforcement at the end of the day again, this is standard operating procedure. this is not a yonder me. >> yeah. i agree. i agree. i agree. and they should stop lying about it to gene rossi, jim scholtz. thank you all very much. >> so that is the legal part of this. >> now, the political more of trump's red tie ally showing up at court today, including one who likened trump and his crowds to the pope there's not another person on the planet that can do that. then the pope, the pope. and when do people go, they visit the pope. what do they say post? what can you do? would you bless me and my family? that's what they want. big one blesses for their family when they go see the folt, when people come down with trump's rallies or st. now, we need you more than ever

before. our country is burning okay. >> tried to me now as host of cnn smerconish, michael smerconish, that's interesting. my goal, but separate and apart from that, there are no cameras in this courtroom. shame what a shame. >> all you've got, people like me and you reading transcript interpreting what was being said. >> do you think americans are paying attention to all the nitty-gritty details of what's been transpiring the last i know some americans are the people in my orbit, those who listened to by radio program, the folks that i associate with, we're all kinda caught up in all the detail of it. but i have my fear or concern that for other folks, they're putting food on the table and their minds or in a lot of different places. >> yeah. i mean undoubtedly right. but in addition to that, this is all stuff from 2016. i mean, that's an iana goh in the life of american politics. so is this dredging? up old memories of who donald trump was in that time or does it

just feel like same old, same old i think it's baked in. >> i was mindful of the polls when the trial began that said that 20 some percent of those voting for donald trump said, but if he's convicted of a felony, then it's a different story. i didn't believe it then, and i certainly don't believe it now, i think already baked in the cake is any outcome, even if it's a conviction, i don't think it moves the needle. abby, i talk about this case every day, ad nauseum on radio. the next person who calls me and says, i was for trump or i was against trump, but now will be the first color. everybody has happened. everybody is exactly where they were when it began. yeah. >> look, trump also has himself made this about whether or not you believe michael cohen or whether you believe him? he did not testify though as his right. he doesn't have to incriminate himself, but does he hurt himself by not being willing to really put his credibility up against a

michael cohen. >> i might have said yes, except for the way the evidence has come in. i think the revelation in the trial that michael cohen's stole from donald trump is all the sound bite they need. so that if if he's convicted, he can go out his surrogates can go out and say what a sham that trial was. can you believe they convicted me even though the lead witness against me is someone who acknowledged having stolen from the trump organization. so it's a sound bite waiting to happen so if you're a federal prosecutor right now, if you're jack smith. oh, man, you're merrick garland. are you watching you're not have higher what's going on. i think you're having connections i said it when alvin bragg was the first to bring an indictment, i said this is going to poison the well, this this will be the impression that's created for americans in all the indictments to fall hello, if there are other indictments and you just have to believe that jack smith is watching this unfold, hoping that he gets a shot before election day in all likelihood, he won't. but i think this has cast the die for

the perception of americans i mean, you're implying also that the jack smith case is a stronger case. >> so wire so if the evidence is there for jack smith, it shouldn't matter what happens and it shouldn't matter, but i think that the perception among many is that here's donald. well, let me let me quote fareed zakaria i mean, if he weren't donald trump, would he be being prosecuted in this new york courtroom? i agree with fareed. he probably would not, and i think that that's the perception of many but at the same time. sure. if it weren't donald trump, but this is indictment that is about donald trump doing something in service of trying to become president of the united states. that's one of one kind of situation. and that's probably why it's only i have have to say, is that what it's really all about today? they have at the charge conference and they're still not an articulation as to what the felony is. i've had i had i had ever i've never charged this. it doesn't have to be

articulated. that's how new york law works. the jury just has to find that there was a crime. they don't have to say which one it is. they don't have to say that it was committed. they just have to believe to find that there was a crime committed. i know that you're right on the law. it's still doesn't make sense to me. >> i'm an attorney. i tried cases for more than ten years. donald trump name check me a week ago today because i made that observation on radio. i'm not here to carry as water, but there's something wrong with that that you can sit there for a month long trial without any clear understanding of what's the crime that i'm defending myself against. i'm troubled by that. >> so if this is a hung jury, right. do you think that that's first of all, do you think that that's likely as one of trump's former attorney? i think i think it's as likely as guilty. i see zero prospect for acquittal all right. >> michael spare kaddish. great to see you. thank you, abby. thank you for having me. >> and you can catch michael show saturday mornings, 9:00 a.m. right here on cnn. don't miss it still ahead. late night hosts openly campaigning width, and for biden in this election

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created false symmetries that are both dangerous and false. and the first fall symmetry is he equates the democratically elected leaders of israel with the terrorists, tyrants of hamas, that's like saying that well i'm issuing arrest warrants for fdr churchill, but also for hitler or i'm issuing arrest warrants for george bush. george w bush, but also for been lauded. that's absurd here to discuss this with me, it's a washington post foreign policy columnist, josh rogan. josh good to see you. so netanyahu, there in that interview, he called it antisymmetric and slander to say that israel isn't going out of its way to minimize civilian casualties in this war. do you think that that is supported by the facts? >> well, a couple of things. first of all, it's very clear that prime minister netanyahu is doubling down on his determination to defend his

government's treatment of the civilians in gaza. and in a way, he's trying to take advantage of the fact that the icc is considering leveling these charges to play the victim into pretend that he's under attack and and i think that makes sense for him politically, although it doesn't your question, answer the real questions and the real disparities between what he said in that interview with jake tapper and the reality on the ground and the reality on the ground is that for over seven months, the israeli government has had a policy of preventing food from getting into gaza and other supplies through arbitrary and and onerous restrictions on aid passing into gaza according to everybody who's involved, including the aid organizations, the us government the palestinians, and everything that we see, everything that everybody can see on their phones every day, all day. so there's a huge gap between what he's saying and

what your lying eyes are telling you. but i also think it's just a counter productive in my personal view, two say that attacks on israeli policy or anti-symmetric, the two have nothing to do with each other. lots of jews have nothing to do with israeli policy in a very critical of it, including this tree right here. >> so there's also the question about what happens to gaza after this war is over. he addressed that he talked about a potential for idf occupation and basically ruled it out. here's what he said taking off the table on israeli a few i mean, if you mean resettling if you mean resettling gaza yeah. >> it was never in the cards and i said so openly in some of my constituents are not happy about it, but that's my position. i would do is have a region construction of gaza. if possible, done by the moderate arab states and the international community do you think, josh, that that is something that is possible or

likely given where we are you know, possible but not likely. >> i mean, again, i think that yahoo is playing a political game with this issue because everybody knows that his war cabinet is completely divided over the issue of what happens the day after the fighting ends in gaza and the biden administration for months has been trying to convince netanyahu to accept some sort of arrangement that valves palestinian authority from west bank coming over and another mixture of, of, of gambits that would allow palestinians to run gaza. and basically netanyahu has his own plan and his own plan is that these military stays there as long as he wants and that nobody else can come in and somehow it all gets fixed by the arab countries. so again, it's makes sense for him politically. it doesn't match the reality, but he doesn't really seem to care about that. >> and the timeline is really important there when, when, as you pointed out, when israeli troops leave, he doesn't really say that, but i do. josh want to get to your most recent reporting really fascinating

about what is happening with former president trump. trump's if former ambassador to germany, rick are now he had a private dinner with a group of arab american donors and activists tiffany trump's husband is also involved in this it's one of many that they are organizing and battleground states are they serious here about trying to appeal to voters? and are you actually hearing receptiveness to that among arab voters who might be disenchanted with president biden met crazily enough. it's true that the trump campaign is not only devoting huge amount of resources and time into according arab american and muslim american voters. key battleground states that they also are making traction. and i talked to several of the attendees at that dinner in oakland hills, michigan, which is going on right now actually, as we're on the air right now, and some of them are willing to hear out trump's envoy, rick renelle is former investor. some of them are already on board with the trump train and their logic is pretty clear. they said, well, joe biden

didn't do anything for us. when our family members are getting killed in gaza, who we might as well take a chance and roll the dice on trump two and they know that the best way to get in with trump is to get an early so you might not think that trump who has said so many horrible things about muslims and islam over the years, or rick are now would be a natural boy to the muslim or arab american community. but here we are. that's 2024 for you. according to the new york times battle in battleground states trump is leading biden on with muslim and arab americans, 57 to 25 and if that number doesn't blow your mind, nothing. well, yeah. i mean, crazier things have happened. i suppose, but we'll find out i'm josh rogan. thanks for bringing us all of that reporting anytime next to sign of the times late night hosts, they're openly appearing on the campaign trail to help president biden by panel will weigh in on all of that every weekday morning, cnn's five things has what you need to get going with your day. it's the

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campaign. and while some are hosting events for biden, others are having him as a guest on their shows as you just saw, my panel is back with me coleman, i actually heard you chuckled. did you jackal? yeah that was pretty funny. yeah. it might be it's certainly can't hurt at the end of the day. i think a lot of late night comics have become more and more political over the past four years. certainly, starting in 2016 with trump and as a result, the comedy has taken a hit, which is to say all that trump jokes are still funny because they're willing to go at him really hard. but i think they play hole punches with democrats. they pull punches with biden and there's a lot to make front of there two on the right, you have a guy like gut feld where he's basically doing the opposite, right? there's a lot to make front of him biden and he gets his ribs in there. but he's not really going to he's not going to go hard after trump and so at the end of the day, my preference as it political independent, i liked someone like bill maher i like someone like john stuart, someone that's really going to try to make fun in both sides.

>> but at the end of the day, i mean, both of those guys are no fans of donald trump i mean, jamaal, what do you think the late night hosts or even accomplishing by doing this? i mean, is it mostly actually succeeding in helping them raise money? because i mean $26 million, that's pretty decent for one night fundraiser. are they moving votes? >> well, celebrities don't move votes for candidates, but what they will do is provide a platform for the candidate to be able to show some part of themselves that they, you know, people will want to see again, i love the show with a lot of people don't believe why it's big television. people are watching things on their phones, even and even when they watched the show, they watch it in clips because they're seeing it from what people sharing it. and so what they're trying to do from a political perspective is get in as many people both palms as they possibly can through these platforms that are much more entertainment or even if they're gardening or their makeup shows or

relationship advisers, they got to find a way to tap people who aren't paying attention to the rest of us. >> smart? >> yeah, it is. and i think we have to also think about it from the comedian sayyed from the late night host sayyed i've always had a progressive ben, there's no question that hollywood and democratic politics have gone together for so long. what's changed is that there's a little bit more advocacy in the post trump years. so you saw colbert hosting that huge fundraiser or being a part of that huge fundraiser with biden and obama a few weeks ago, you had colin jost glorifying biden next to him at the white house correspondents dinner, a lot of that's actually felt that there was some awkward sitting in the room for that. >> and then of course you have kimmel hosting this event. >> you have all of these late night hosts bringing these candidates on, trump obviously didn't show on those shows. and so what's shifted is that there's more advocacy from these comedians whether or not on its effective to your point, i don't know if it's helpful for them and their ratings so much as it's helpful for the candidates taking advantage. >> so frank, i'm told that you have a poll for you asked

registered voters who they respected more 39% said trump 36% said biden. and 25% said taylor swift. >> yes. >> i guess it's not really that surprising mortar. oh, taylor swift has the support of a quarter of the country, but she's got a plurality of voters, 18 to 29. and i think here's the warning. >> bruce springsteen went around doing concerts for hillary clinton with hours to go in the election in 2016 tens of thousands of people were showing up. >> he was up on stage the whole cultural elite of america were up there screaming hillary, hillary and they voted against her this does not represent mainstream america. you talk about working class, to talk about union members. you talk about latinos. that's not who they're looking for. they don't want someone who's famous, but taylor swift is different and if she goes at

trump, as i think she will in the end i'm then watching will joe rogan get involved because could you imagine the battle royale between taylor swift and joe rogan? it will be so entertaining. it'll make it worth watching the election. >> but my yes, but as she went hard after marsha blackburn and blackburn still one exactly. and so there's a limit to it but cultural people can do that. >> there might even be backlash to cultural icons kinda telling people what to do, how to vote yeah, this is a serious election than we've ever had in my lifetime. >> i know they said all the time, but i think we can agree that there's never been a bigger difference between trump and biden if you throw a singer into that and throw a podcast host into that, i don't think it's going to be received. well, that said this is going to be decided by thousands of votes, not millions of votes. and anything can make a difference. >> i mean, do you agree with

that here's where i think there's there is evidence that people on the left who believed that down from his autocratic right, there are some evidence that the way you after an autocrat as to make fun of them. >> and that the more you make fun of them, the more you bring him down in a way for people to not admire him so much. and so i think part of going after trump so much does kind of remind people of the things they don't like about them and they laugh about it, which doesn't add to his cultural cache. >> we have to go in a second, but isn't the risk here also, if there 50% of the country roughly supported trump, okay? a lot of those people don't like be lumped being lumped in with being made fun of beat for that support. >> sure. sure. yeah. but i think john stewart made a very good point about a month ago when he came under criticism for making front of biden on his first show. back and he said, look, if you really believe that it's important to beat trump what we have to do.

i'm paraphrasing is to get some credibility back by being able to make fun of biden the problem is that so many of those voters that you're talking about, the reason that they don't care what bruce springsteen has to say is because for them the elites have lost all credibility by being advocates. they say, okay, fine. i know you're democrats. why should i listen to anything you say and i think it's important to restore that credibility and be careful that you're not attacking the voters when you're attacking the candidates, you attack the voters. they'll punish you. >> all right, guys, everyone. thank you very much for being here. historic space launch over 60 years in the making. why this one was so special and what jfk has to do with that, that stacks when the competition is a nuclear competition, spying is extraordinarily important. the russians were trying to spy on us. we were spying on them it's very difficult to determine from whom you can

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years old. he became the oldest person to go into space. but that is not the only thing that makes this ride the trip of a lifetime for dwight back in 1961, he was chosen by the kennedy administration to join the space program to become the first black astronaut. he graduated in the top half of this class. but after kennedy was assassinated, dwight was ultimately passed over leadership at the pilot school felt his selection was political it would take another 15 years for nasa to finally accept black astronauts and another five years after that in 1983, for geo and blue for it to become the first african-american in space that was going to be the first black astronaut completed astronaut training. every everything that we did, i did let did it well everybody has to stayed up angry. i'm most savannah disappointed. i most severe as

i'll look at a philosophically , my role in the whole process was to open up a conversation about blacks in the space and so i saw served a purpose. and i was very proud of and he should be proud many black astronauts, so credited dwight for paving the way for them. after putting his space dreams on hold for decades, dwight became an air force pilot. he worked for ibm. he started a construction company. he became a restaurant tour and a real estate developer. he also had as a master's degree in sculpting and has dedicated most of his life to art and to depicting black history. now, that is quite a life for any person, but now he finally got to cross become an astronaut off of his bucket list. >> a lot of people that we're happy. and i'm more worried about megan other people happy that make the muslim no worked out with if it were up to dwight, this would be just the beginning when