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what i've had a great past, but anything closing arguments are on tuesday. we will see what the jury decides after the six weeks of evidence in this case that they have heard laid out. thank you so much for joining us here on the source cnn news night starts right now. >> once a mistake, twice something more ominous. that's tonight on this good evening. >> i'm abbyhillip in new york and tonight, the benefit of the doubt is shrinking for an associate supreme court justice of the united states, samuel alito, the new york times. now when covering four different photos taken on four different dates at the second house owned by the justice, where a second insurrection sympathizing flag was hoisted yes, really, the photographs show an appeal to heaven flag that is outside of the long

beach island home. several times between july and september of 2020, google street view even shows the flag how long do you think the flag would have had to been out there for google maps to capture it. now, this appeal to have in flag, aka the pine tree flag, has a long history revolutionary war symbol, but it had basically disappeared from public view until someone who sympathized with trump's attempt to deny the 2020 election results decided to recast it as his own. now, that sounds bad, right? if you heard that you'd probably wonder how could that happen. maybe he didn't put it there, but why would he allow someone else to you might think you deserve an explanation? well, sorry, you're not getting one. alito declined to respond to questions from the times and the discovery also makes a previous explanation about the inverted american flag that his wife apparently decided to hoist a little bit more dubious the idea that something similar

happened two years apart. it defies common sense that another neighbor and a neighborhood dispute could trigger another impulse to fly a flag tied to the attack on the capitol and attempt to tread on the constitution you be the judge joining me now, democratic congressman from tennessee steve cohen. he just introduced a resolution to censure justice alito and demand that he recused himself from all cases related to the 2020 election and the capitol insurrection congressman thanks for being here. alito, he declined to respond to the new york times. do you think that there is any acceptable answer that could justify why that flag was up and flying outside of his second home? >> there is no acceptable answer supreme court justices, like other members of the judiciary, should be beyond reproach. they should be like caesar's wife, beyond reproach senate justice alito has flaunted his disdain for the

election laws in our country and for the peaceful transfer of power with the flag he flew of the united states flag upside down at his home in january of 2023. and now we see what he's done in the cation home that dog won't hunt, didn't put blame his wife is like saying, my dog ate my homework. that's not going to work. that dog won't hunt. >> he should recuse himself from all cases dealing with the 2020 election and with president trump and election interference. >> and there's no question he, he nor clarence thomas should participate in the supreme court on any decisions regarding trump with clarence thomas, his wife, ginni, involved in the coup attempt. they should not be able to participate because they've got a prejudice and they've shown their prejudice. they are not impartial our determiners of the law, and they should not allow it. and this is a time for justice roberts to show

that he cares about the supreme court and its reputation. this is the rule of law and that's what the united states is known for. and it's on justice roberts clock right now to take action and forced them not to participate. >> so you've got this resolution, but in the house which is now i'll controlled by republicans, the house speaker himself, mike johnson. he's hung the same flag outside of his office. it's still there. a spokes person for johnson told the new york times that johnson has long appreciated the rich history of the flag as it was first used by general george washington during the revolutionary war i mean, it seems like this is going to be something that mike johnson is going to defend the supreme court justice on is there any reasonable nature to this flag that you would buy into that? the speaker says, there is historical aspect to it this flag was unknown to basic people for over 100 years

and it just came back with one of the insurrectionist flying. >> it for somebody to say that they've always appreciated the history, the flag, and they revere that flag. there's an old saying you can on my leg but don't tell me it's rain. and he's telling us it's rain and it's not rain. >> do you think that given these facts, given the composition of the supreme court right now, the democrats should consider as some of said, that supreme court justice sonia sotomayor, who will soon be 70 years old, should step down so that president biden can appoint another justice. do you think that should be on the table? >> well, it's something it could be on the table, i think could be on the table. two is expanding the supreme court. it's obvious these people who are appointed for life don't respect the oath of office they said to do all things by what they any prejudgment and to be fair arbitraries of law, they're not doing it and justice roberts has it on his hands right now. the supreme

court is as low tide for respect from the american public. and the worldwide. and were known worldwide for saying what what do you like most about america, the rule of law? in the johnson goes up to new york and says, this this case against trump is political. it shouldn't have been brought and it's, and it's no good. well, that's not what the speaker of the house should be saying to the world. russia television is playing that all the time. and there'll be playing this to alito and all these comments, they should be defending america and the rule of law and not supported according insurrectionists and showing partiality before they rule and desecrating the supreme court, which they've been a member of and really should resign. they wouldn't resign because they're there for life and they're going to put it in our faces. >> all right. congressman steve cohen, appreciate you joining us tonight. thank you thank you, abby, for more. >> i want to bring in my panel now, former lieutenant governor of new york, that's the mccoy, former senior white house communications age. mile simmons co-host of the serious

trouble podcasts, josh barrow, and cnn political analyst natasha alford josh, do you think that there's any justification for what alito has done twice now, i mean, i think the combination of the two flags probably does indicate sympathy with at least the claims about the 2020 election having been stolen the maybe you could explain one on its own, but both together, i think that's a strong case. however it's up to him whether or not to recuse himself from any case. i mean, the congressman says the chief justice should act. the chief justice can't make him recuse himself. congress can't make him recuse himself. and the whole way our system is designed in terms of these lifetime appointments for the supreme court is intended exactly to shield the justices from consequences for their opinions. now, there's been some scandals about finances and gifts and that sort of thing. and maybe there could be new laws around that. but this sort of thing, if congress is upset because of, because of how illegal feels about the 2020 election or anything else.

not only did they not have recourse, not really supposed to have recourse. it's a lifetime appointment, so i understand why this is upsetting to people. but there's there isn't really a remedy here. yeah i mean, i think you're right that there's not a remedy. >> i think what people are upset about is that they think there should be. i do want to play play a little bit of what john bolton said earlier tonight about this flag and this issue i think it is outrageous outrageous, and unacceptable for people to take a flag from the american revolution and say that because some january 6 protesters fluid that it's now unacceptable to fly that flag. >> and i'd like to hear a democratic party politician say that expressly but lieutenant governor, he's kind of misrepresenting what's happening here. it's not that they just took the flag and our misrepresenting it. it literally was obscure and not used until somebody who is a january 6 instruction is

sympathizer brought it back into the limelight, but the point is that having political opinions does not disqualify a justice. look at ruth bader ginsburg. she had very negative opinions about donald trump and voice them right? and yet she did not recuse herself and trump versus majors or trump versus vance, the two 20 20 cases in which the high court ruled against trump, both times. on the other hand, she was an ardent feminist and spoke before women's groups, women's rights groups often, but she did not recuse herself from united states versus virginia. in fact, she wrote the ruling opinion in that case, striking down virginia's law that restricted access to virginia military academy institute just to men. so we have a recent example to show that having political opinions, even about and very current issues does not disqualify a judge. and we can contrary to what congressman cohen said

just a minute ago, i was shocked when he said it that supreme court has demonstrated that it can be very fair and in deciding the law even to donald trump, had the court has already heard four cases involving donald trump and has ruled against trump in the first three of those four, the fourth, of course, they rolled unanimously in trump's favor because of the preposterous notion that he was disqualified by the 14th amendment. but in the fever's three cases, he lost and the and the justices that have been appointed by trump, alito wasn't of course, he was wondered by bush these justices are doing their best to decide what the law is, regardless of a political patients, one of the big distinctions here between ruth bader, ginsburg and what justice alito is dealing with is that in the case of the cases that are before the court now, that has to do with the very heart of the united states constitution, the peaceful transfer of power or an

accountability for flouting that. they'll take a look in 2020 regarding trump. they did two. >> in what way? >> well, because in the female with the peaceful transfer of power, no, but they had to do with presidential power. that's the same thing. well, it is the same thing because in fact ruth bader ginsburg had expressed as early as 2016 that she did not think donald trump should ever be president. she was very outspoken about it. and if we were to take issue game, if recusal and apply it to her she would have flunked. the fact is the left is trying to jigger and change the standard of recusal so what do you make of that argument that maybe ruth bader ginsburg should have recused herself even if she should have. does that mean that alito shouldn't have this case? >> i think january 6 is different. i think january 6 is strikes right at the heart of our democracy, whether or not we get to have a country where the people choose their elected

leaders. and we had people who tried to deny that from occurring less than something is stinky at the supreme and we've got chief justice roberts has got to figure out how he can i don't know if there's an investigation. i don't know if there's a way to get the justice has to sign on to one of these issues of ethics. i know you can he lost into this a minute ago, but the country needs to have confidence in its leadership. and right now, i think the supreme court was the last place we thought maybe these folks might be the ones that could arbitrate this. but it doesn't appear between thomas and alito that we can trust them. and if i may, i mean the the confidence in the supreme in court when you look at polls, it's at historic lows, and it's also very partisan, right? >> so more republicans believe or have faith that the supreme court is operating fairly than democrats do. so it's not a promising time all right. and what we expect from people is neutrality, even if folks don't know the technicalities, even if there are other cases that you can point to. >> this is the last frontier.

>> so what the american people are saying is that they don't have faith. the question and it's things like this that add fuel to the fire. >> but the judge the justices are of course not neutral. i mean, it's the fiction like that they, you know, they come in without preconceptions. the court is a political body which is why there is so much fighting about it in elections for congress, for the president. and when they make decisions on these important issues the, the, the, the preconceptions that they bring in are important. that's why there's a difference between a liberal justice and a conservative. and i believe they're human being in this moment. we're talking about democracy on the line, as jamal said january, you can say a lot of judgment important like if you could say that abortion, the abortion issue, because it's such a fundamental right that you could, you could have raised the same standard. you can say this this issue is different than you need a different standard and you could go down the line with a lot of different things. the court does. i think that's not a viable way to say, well, this opinion they expressed was to explicit or something. i mean, we're also seeing this all over and states supreme courts

where you have liberal justices running explicit campaigns about, i'm going to interpret the state constitution to enshrine a right to abortion i don't think there's anything wrong with that. you see knew about policy outcomes one thing arguing about the process that we arrive at those outcomes is completely different. and the thing that we're supposed to all be bought into is that this process is one we can all trust hey, listen, i was on the grid cape and i remember what happened in 2000. right. but at the end of the day, people said supreme court spoken the law of the land stands were all have to move on. >> all right. >> what i find vertical is to suggest that we should ask a sonia sotomayor to step down and replace her. you're all saying in that you don't want political justices and yet you're suggesting just that mechanism. all right? >> everyone standby for us. we've got more breaking news tonight. nikki haley is endorsing donald trump's surprise. that's despite her attacks against her ethnicity and her family the former south carolina governor mark sanford

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through a temper tantrum, we lost in 2018. we lost in 2020. we lost in 2022 donald trump's fingerprints were on all of it. how much more losing do we have to do before we realized maybe donald trump is the problem? >> there is no way that the american people are going to vote for convicted criminal it is literally impossible that we will win an election if donald trump as the nominee those feelings until today, were mutual. trump repeatedly put his former cabinet official in the cross hairs throughout the primaries i purposely mix up like a name like bird brand, yet herbert bryan is right decking nikki haley has made an unholy alliance with rhinos, never-trumper she's not right to be president. >> i know it very well. wrong. the wrong thought process. she's not tough enough. she's not smart enough, and she wasn't respected enough. she

can not do this job. what happened to her husband? what happened to her husband where is he? >> he's gotten i just to note haley's husband was deployed overseas and africa with the national guard at the time that trump made those comments. >> joining me now is former south carolina governor and former republican congressman mark sanford mercury to see you. what do you make about this? about face from nikki haley well i would say in some ways it's to be expected. >> and what i mean by that is ambition kills off a lot of things and what you have here is somebody obviously wanted to be relevant and in 2028 and as a sort of do the math, they figure well, we've got to bide by that cardinal rule of politics, which is, you never go against your base. and if the base right now is with trump i'll be there too. but i you're saying is that actually

what you're saying is that she's putting her career over the good of the country well a lot of people can argue what's good for the country and not good for the country. i'll leave that one alone, but i'm saying yeah, she's absolutely putting ambition first and she's doing the middle of calculation and the political calculation of what will help me most if i want to run again? but, but here i think is the danger, which is i think she carved out an interesting independent niche that was well-respected, both from the republicans who didn't want to put up with more of trump and some independence and maybe some democrats as well and i think she really risks alienating given how forcefully she came out and talking about trump being unhinged, not fit to be president united states, while others might be endorsing him, i am a truth teller who will call it like it is. you go against it. i don't know where these people go. i don't know that they're nested going to follow follow. nikki in

supporting trump. >> i think it's trump was going to the fair degree apparel. she said that trump was going to lose that if he was on the ballot as a republican nominee, he would lose. and so now for her to come around and say she's gonna vote for him anyway and on top of that, governor, i mean, look she said when she got out of the race of trump would need to earn the support of her supporters well, he didn't do any of that. he has not made one gesture at all to reach her supporters. did she just essentially throw them under the bus two yeah. >> that's why i said i don't know what's going to happen to that piece of the republican pi. i mean, you can call it the cheney faction. you could call it the nikki faction, but i mean, there's a strong component of the republican party that's locked in against trump. says he does not that represented the traditional conservative ideals that

originally attracted limb to the republican party and they are without a home. they'd been without a home for awhile. i think there are further without a home based on nicky's decision to support trump all right. >> mark sanford. thank you very much for joining us yes, ma'am next my panel is back to weigh in on haley's about face standby for that assignments are going the tornado here you cannot out one, you cannot outrun it. really is a terrifying experience. >> it is the stuff of nightmares you could hear it and feel it. nick eyes and my throat or burning i'm thinking i'm going to die and i thought that was it. earth with liev schreiber premieres june seconded nine on cnn rising

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critiques that she logged we're i mean, those are serious things that are kinda hard to come back from. thank god, abby had the clips to show the side-by-side the comparison so yes, it's it's not surprising. but what does this mean for the voters who are in the middle? >> yeah, i mean, they've, arguably, if you listen to what mark sanford is saying, is that there's really no place for them and nikki haley doing this is the biggest acknowledgement that it's over more or less, she wants to run for president. she doesn't doesn't think those voters are part of the picture. >> i think it's a huge lost opportunity instead of this tepid 11th hour endorsement when you know their oil and water, these two, they should have gotten together on the one issue on which they agree and made something out of this moment, they should have stood together and said, we disagree on much, but we are strong supporters of israel and we are calling on the biden administration to send arms and ammunition to israel. do not stab are ally in the back. then

people would have appreciated both of them for standing up for something bigger than just their own political gain. >> and it's a very that's a very optimistic scenario it out there. >> i mean, i feel like donald trump is he's very embittered about what nikki haley has been saying about him. he didn't do anything to reach out to her, not a phone call, not not a nice tweet, not not anything. >> no. but look at it from down on trump those perspective. i mean, he's just it out, right? like his point is, i'm just going to be here. i'm gonna do me and everybody will come around and you're going to kiss this ring because that's the way it works. people do when he knows is that everybody will sooner or later show up over here and gets the ring so the question now is going to be for everybody else for the red, who likes to people in the red jerseys like are they going to go along with trump just because he's the guy in the red jersey that's the question is the campaign? >> and the answer is, it's not clear to me what she's doing

here strategically because you can say she's doing this to advance her career, but she's not actually advancing her career she hasn't really exactly kiss the ring. i mean, she says, i'm going to vote for him, but she's still says he really ought to reach out to my supporters and he hasn't dancing is we're moved me right. but maybe it's about preserving possibility of a future political career i didn't say he was going to win. >> you don't remember that? i didn't say in her endorsement a lot of from i think he's going to win a lot of these people delude themselves about what voters might go for chris christie, i think genuinely thought that he might win that the 2020 primaries. so maybe nikki haley believes that she can come back and run a primary in 2028 or 2032, but she just we saw in the the primary she's not where the where the republican primary electorate is. she she's not going to be in the cabinet. she's not going to be the presidential nominee in the future i think it's possible the most republicans come around and vote for donald trump because they agree with him on most policy issues. nikki haley were wants lower taxes and she agrees with trump

on and israel, as you note, and she would like to address the budget deficit by paring back the entitlement state. a lot, a lot of the agenda that he's going to deliver is much closer to what she wants then than what joe biden is going to do. and that's true for a lot of these voters to agree. i'm looking through this, i'm not sure that they're just voting for him, they come around because they agree with them. i think come around because there are afraid of his people which is no, no, no, no. if you want to run for president would actually be president all these folks who show up, all the republican candidates who show up, and they make nice with trump because they're afraid of being on the wrong side about mega elected folks. but it sounds like you're talking about the voters, but even haley herself, if she was in this to try to win the nomination, then when she didn't, she was going to do the thing that would advance her career. she would have dropped out weeks earlier than she did. she would have done what ron desantis did. what sort of what a normal candidate does. she stayed in long after it was very clear that trump was going to be the nominee, which at the margin weakens him as a candidate. i'm contesting,

the primary instead of moving on to the general election. and she hasn't given him a really full-throated endorsement, which suggests to me that she if she was trying to advance her career in an effective way, she would have done something different though, in more pleasing. >> here is still young. i mean, we will see what more she does, but i wonder natasha but do you think there's any limit to how much you can flip flop on trump's supporting him, not supporting him in trump land. it seems like trump that is littered with people who won supported him. it didn't and then supported him again and, you whatever water under the bridge, i think it depends on if he labels you a black sheep or not because he put the target on her back during the primary, he was targeting her donors. he was saying anyone who in this moment doesn't fall in line, you're going to pay for it. so maybe there's a world in which trump deems her okay. but i think she knew that she was going all the way to the end in terms of fighting for her opportunity. and i

think she accepted loss that came with that one of the big questions, ramallah, this kind of goes to what you and josh, we're talking about, the voters here the republican voters, maybe they 20% or so in all those states where nikki, at least not even really running anymore and they're still going on casting a ballot for her what do they do? i mean, i think history has shown in past recent elections, if you are a republican, if you were registered that way, the vast majority of them vote for the nominee. >> they do, but there will be some percentage of them who may not. and those are the people the biden campaign. the biden campaign will be focused on those folks, right? because what they have done is when the campaigns still exists, there, like a networked little group. and so now you know there are people who think like you in your state who might not be for donald trump. and those folks might be people who are good able by the, by the new york times had some interesting data on this because in their polling, they know what elections you voted. it and when you respond to their poll. and not only are those haley voters who are turning out to

say, not trump, not only are they likely to vote for biden the general election, there are very likely to have voted for biden in the last general election. >> they're not really what we think are colloquially we talk about them as they're actually really biden node, right part it, party registration is a lag king indicator when people they, they were conservative and they become more liberal. >> it takes them some years to change their party registration to give up the, they're they're like the party left me. i didn't leave the party, et cetera. like, people may remember that barak obama did really badly in the west virginia primary in 2012, and there was a lot of heme out of that those are people who registered as democrats 30 years ago, but had become consistent republican voters. now they are registered republicans, but at the time, it's going to look like this weakness. i think similarly, it's not just that those voters or gingival for biden, he already has them and it's not enough. he needs to get other voters. and when all right, everyone great to have you here. >> thank you very much. next, a fact check on a dangerous lie that is being spread right now by trump and his allies in congress and on fox of horse about an assassination attempt,

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producers on this show made the correct choice of the lauryn hill song to play a leading into this. >> that's x factor from her solo album. the miseducation of lauryn hill. and tonight it is topping a list of best albums that launched a fierce debate. apple music announced the top 100 albums of all time, and it's a list that they say was put together with help from music experts, artists, songwriters, and producers that 1998 album is number one and it's followed by thriller, abbey road, purple rain, and frank oceans blonde on the entire list, the 90s is the decade that gets the most albums represented and hip hop and rap are the most represented genre. five artists are groups have two albums on the list. bianna say is the late woman in that group joining me now is torre the host of the greer's torre show podcast and the writer at the grill as well. the perfect

person to have this conversation with what did you make of the top ten you everything i write love to come out here and brick this list, but it's actually a solid list. it's not mine, but i deeply respect what they've done in questions about like 11 through 100. yeah, like the top ten miseducation, not my best album of all time, but it is an extraordinary album. it is one of the great albums of its time. >> it mixes hip hop and soul. >> it talks about familial love and romantic love she made this album on a sort of spiritual tear in that the world things, why clef is a genius. i'm going to show you that. i'm a genius. so she had this spirit insider of i'm going to show the world how great i am. and she's absolutely a gene i think so. i maybe maybe you can disagree if it's the number one, it is one my all-time favorite alums i can play it from beginning to end. >> or weak, and maybe that is the judge of what is a great album i mean, you had some

questions about the choice of michael jackson i also have questions about why they only had to choose one. >> but it's not thriller for, you know, thriller is not michael jackson's best album the wall is michael jackson's best album. let's say it's a tie for me. i love the depth of the look into what disco is that off the wall is thriller is great, but it's like a greatest hits album. >> i chose this song, this, do they fit sonically and cohesively the weight off the wall fits as one panicked document that's why i love it. it's greatest disco moment of all time, off the one more controversial thing. this is some bianna a founds maybe didn't think lemonade was the right choice. i personally think that is a masterful album. it's so different, it sounded so different from anything else that was out there was i love lemonade immensely. it is not bianna. today's best album like you're talking about renaissance

greatest album, again, a deep dive into house and disco. >> it has a sonic political, i totally did that, right? i love island, that front-to-back i think that lemonade because of how it pulls from all that, like you said about, you know, it pulls from all these different genres and it creates something that is totally different and new sounding. yeah. okay. but what is an album even, i mean, is this really kind of just now obsolete concept because right now people are just putting out eps. they're just there streaming individual songs. a lot of people don't even know that songs are on a broader album. >> you know, a lot of times, artists make music without being in the same room as the producer or the other person who's on the record with them and that sort of lack of bringing it together is part of what distributes distinguishes us from making an album and making a group of songs. and most of the time, artists are making a group of songs an album it all fits together. it tells a story like a novel

tells a story as opposed to a collection of short stories, which doesn't usually cohere in the same way. so that when we see off the wall right, or renaissance, it is telling a story, it makes sense sonically, and politically from beginning to end. it tells you something about who with the artist is. >> a collection of songs doesn't quite get me there the same way. yeah. and i think it is so hard to do that to create, like i said, i mean, when i look for a great album, i look for an album that i know skips i'm going to listen to the whole thing. and that is it's vanishingly rare. i would argue some of the album's on this list start not on there, but anyway, hang on a second. we have a lot more to get to you about right after this short break adrenaline good

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products. you core is a lifestyle tried today at your core.com we're back with torre talking about apple's top 100 albums. >> we got a few things to get off our chest. the snobs you have a list of things that you want to say snub, not because i love this. i do like and respect this list, but there's some albums that i would argue for if i was in the room, marvin gaye's what's going on is just an extraordinary sonic document to be higher up on the left should be in the top ten. my beautiful dark twisted fantasy. kanye, i hate to give kinds of flowers at this time, but it's an unbelievable album radiohead's kid a is extraordinary also, okay, computer, deangelo is voodoo princes sayyed of the times is such an incredible achievement. it's beautiful, it's so much i think about elephant by the white stripes, graceland by paul simon and de la soul is dead, is this extraordinary conversation about the band

itself and where they are and what it needs to be. a suburban black person and a nerdy or black person and yeah, i mean, there were some interesting choices about where things were on the list and then also things that weren't on the list. >> there were whole artists who were not represented mariah carey and whitney houston, which was hugely controversial. but we're talking about albums. yeah, these are two of the great singers of the modern era without question, i know did they make great songs absolutely great performances for sure do they make great albums? >> now, i mean, i went back and i was like, i love butterfly. i love that album, but you know, would i listen to a top to top-to-bottom? maybe not, but she had some mega hits its nothing against mariah and whitney. >> we revere them, but this is steep competition. we're talking about songs the key of life and back to black and never mind. i mean, these are extraordinary albums, bodies of work that are essentially what they're saying here close, as close to perfectu