barrier as america's first black astronaut. but his dreams were ultimately derailed by racism and politics that was going to be the first black astronaut completed astronaut training. >> every, every saying that we did, i did and i did it well, everybody has a stake angry. i must have been disappointed. i must have been now look at a philosophically, my role in the whole process was to open up a conversation about blacks of the space and so i saw served a purpose and i was very proud of the space program would have to wait until 1983 to see its first black astronaut in space with this week's flight, dwight is also now the oldest person ever to go to space. mr. edward dwight i see you. now. if you see something or someone, i should see, tell me i'm victor blackwell on socials and thank you for

joining me today. i'll see you back here next saturday at eight easter smerconish starts right now a republican and an independent walk into a libertarian establishment. >> you're going to have to wait for the punchline. i, michael smerconish in philadelphia. thank you for joining me. this memorial day weekend in an unusual move tonight, former president donald that'll trump will address the libertarian national convention in washington, dc and independent rfk junior spoke there on friday after having flirted with running as a libertarian earlier in the cycle this morning, the drudge report leading with his appearance saying rfk jr. slams trump locked down standing o from libertarians. he spent a lot of his hour-long speech criticizing both president's trump and biden president trump said that he was going to run america like a business. he closed down 3.3 million businesses with no due process,

no just compensation in violation of the fifth amendment with a lockdowns, the mask mandates the travel restrictions president trump presided over the greatest restriction on individual liberties. this country has ever known still it's the dnc that attacked rfk junior's speech first saying, quote, much like his campaign for president rfk junior's speech today was a bizarre and poorly received exercise in narcissism. >> there's no support for rfk junior and he has no path to victory. he's just a spoiler for donald trump. kennedy's running mate, nicole shanahan, speaking on sunday, she tweeted that her topic will be quote, medical freedom and protecting american farmers from government corporate capture. you can say this is a win for the party to get both a former president and the leading independent to address them, trying to win their votes. but is either of them really libertarian? >> on the libertarian side, trump did back tax cuts. >> he spoke critically of americans involvements abroad. on the other hand, he signed off on massive budget deficits, imposed tariffs on imported

goods, and champion more restrictive immigration policies. and while rfk jr. appeals to many libertarians thanks to his activism against vaccine mandates following covid-19 on the other hand, his history of energy and climate activism runs counter to the libertarian ethos of limited government. he also was supported israel student loan debt forgiveness and affirmative action in five election cycles, the libertarian party has successfully appeared on the ballot in all 50 states, including in both 2016 and 2020, ballot access remains a high hurdle for rfk jr. in 2016, the party won its highest historical result with former governors gary johnson and bill weld coming in third with 3.3% of the national vote. but in four states that donald trump defeated hillary clinton by less the johnson's total number of votes being florida, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan. in 2020, the libertarian ticket of clemson professor joe jorgensen and entrepreneurs and cohen one

just a third as much as johnson weld, 1.1% of the vote. but given the closeness of the polls between biden and trump the libertarian ticket like it could have a huge impact on this election. also appearing during this weekend, former gop candidate vivek ramaswamy, the keynote speech will be delivered by a libertarian stalwart, ron paul the top five vote getters in a straw poll early in the convention are people whose names are not familiar to the general public according to gallup, voters who identify as libertarians ranged from 17 to 23% of the american electorate. so why is the party's seating the spotlight to trump and rfk jr. instead of elevating candidates of its own joining me now is nick gillespie. he's the editor at large at reason, the libertarian magazine is the podcast host of the reason interview with nick gillespie, nick, great to see you again, is it conceivable that rfk jr. or donald trump could be the libertarian candidate. and if

not, then why are the libertarians beings? so hospitable? >> well, it is conceivable and the head of the party, angela mcardle, as recently as yesterday, told news nation that anything is possible it seems highly unlikely, given the fact that rfk jr. junior has said he doesn't need the libertarian party for ballot access and donald trump is not the type of person who's going to share the spotlight i know that rfk junior said that relative to ballot access, in fact, he said it to me, but something has changed and that's something is we're now a month away from the first debate, and he's not getting on that stage unless a miracle happens. it occurs to me that the libertarian nomination would give him that ballot access that he so desperately lacks yeah, it would definitely boost him. >> the libertarian party is unlikely, according to my reason, colleague brian doherty is unlikely thankfully, to reach 50 state ballot access this time around, but it's

going to be in something like 474648 states. so that's a huge win. the other question though is whether or not the libertarian party of faithful, that the delegates there will actually vote vote for somebody like kennedy. and that goes to your larger point. why is the libertarian party doing this? two years ago, the party was taken over by a faction there was very successful in organizing and arguing against the status quo, saying we need we, the libertarian party needs a tighter more ante status message. we need to be focusing on ending war is ending the fed, ending covid, lockdowns and restrictions the group that took over called the mesos caucus has seen basically revenues from over a two-year period decline find by a third membership declined from sustaining active membership from 16,000 to about 12,000. this is a party that is declining and i think what they're doing here, it's kind of a hail mary pass to see if they can get back into the

public consciousness. they were expecting to have a couple of higher-profile people running for president. that hasn't worked out. so we're left with this unprecedented media circus where the third largest party in the country is bringing in people from other parties to make a pitch to their delegates. rfk juniors pandemic pitch. i'll use your word, went over big with this crowd. let's watch a piece in the pandemic i traveled to berlin, to speak to a group about 1.3 million people from all over europe and a peaceful demonstration an nbc film grow came up to me during that convocation and they asked me why i wasn't wearing a mask, which nobody was accepted. >> the nbc film grew and they said it wasn't i scared of dying of covid. and i said to

them there's a lot worse things and dying and they said to me like what i said, like living like a slave nick gillespie you see how he was received, how well donald trump be received at the libertarian convention tonight. i think he will draw a mix of great applause and some standing ovations and then some cheers and boos. i hope because let's trump as you laid out, was not a particularly libertarian president. he did some good things that fit with the general philosophy of saying the government should be smaller, should spend less, and it should, it should regulate people less. but then he did a lot of things that were terrible from that point of view. and he is not and a parcel and laissez faire by any chance, he has an opinion about everything and he's always quick to try and get people to follow the way he thinks they should be living. but he's a big star and a lot of people in

the lp are drawn, are drawn tim, because they see him as being anti-establishment despite the fact that he's a billionaire and a former president so it's a debate i would think between practicality and purity, right? like we can be purists and we're going to end up with 1% of the vote or we can cast are lot with one of these two hitch, our wagon to potentially someone who's really going to take us let's to a new level, but we're going to have to sacrifice our principles in the process, isn't that the issue? and what do you think those conversations will be like behind closed doors? i don't think that either trump or rfk will be nominated by the libertarian party, but you're right and the party which was founded in 19 18, 18, 71 ad, ran its first presidential candidate and 72 who even got an electoral vote. the first, the vice president was a woman. the first female to get an electoral college vote was a libertarian in 1970 they have

never figured out whether or not they are an informational organization that is trying to get retiring ideas out into the ether and into political conversations or an actual political party that runs candidates who are credible and can win the closest they came was gary johnson in 2016. and the current leadership of the lp sees that as an embarrassment because he was in principled enough. it would be amazing if they sign on to somebody like donald trump or rfk junior who are explicitly and libertarian. they refuse to call themselves libertarian. but maybe the party is low enough and in the doldrums that they're going to go that way just one more intangible in a crazy cycle. thank you, nick, nice to see you. >> thank you social media reaction from the world of x, catherine, what do we have? >> of the three candidates? these to share more libertarian ideals since they don't have a

candidate, they still want to be part of the conversation says kelly, well, they do, but then the conversation ends like tonight after trump's visit or tomorrow so when they wrap up, you want to half a loaf or do you want to remain purists? that's really the issue okay. >> how will the trump trial and closing arguments commence on tuesday morning and the first ever criminal trial of a former us president will preview some of the anticipated closing arguments. i'm going to consult former federal prosecutor elie honig and defense attorney william brennan. there they are. they're ready. they're site. i want to know what you think got to my website. it's where kaddish.com an answer. today's poll question, how can it be anything else how will the trump trial end acquittal conviction hung jury when you're voting sign up for my free and worthy daily newsletter, you get editorial cartoons from the legends like rob rogers filing earth with

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case in front of judge merchan in the exact same courtroom. gentlemen, billy, starting with you as a purely academic exercise, a little role-playing give me 60 seconds that you think would work as part of the trump defense closing argument? >> good morning, michael. good morning, ali. i think what would work in 60 seconds or less is a members of the jury, i were i remind you when judge were chama student and struck you that defendant remains presumed innocent? >> that the state always has the burden of proving its case beyond a reasonable doubt and they haven't done so in this matter the state has decided to rest its entire case on the word of michael cohen, a convicted perjure, a liar, a thief a man who stole from his own client that defendant sitting in that chair there judge, were john will instruct you that if you believe mr. cohen lied in one matter, you may. if you so choose believe he lives in all matters ladies

and gentlemen, i was thinking about this case recently, and i thought about a little pond i would take my daughter to when she was little a little ice pond and there'll be a sign when the ice was week no skating today. and i took her there one day in a were bubbles under the ice i want you to put yourself in my position picture. you were there with your child and you heard a voice from the island in the middle of the pond, come on over the ice is fine. i got here. she can get here too. and it was michael cohen. >> would you put your daughter on that bubbly thin ice? >> of course not. and ladies and gentlemen, that's reasonable doubt. and that's not guilty okay. >> la as an academic exercise, only a little bit of role-playing. give me, give me 60 seconds that you would use if you were prosecuting this case? >> man brennan's good. alright. here we go. members of the jury. the defense wants your focus everywhere, but where it ought to be on the actual defendant in this case, donald john trump. they want to

make the argument, hear all about michael cohen. let me tell you something about michael cohen. he's not a saint. he's a center. he told you that he's done plenty of wrong in his life, most of it for donald trump. but what michael cohen did is he took you inside a corrupt organization, donald trump's campaign donald trump's businesses and you know what michael cohen's not even the star witness in this case. the star witness in this case are the documents there. the financial documents, the checks that donald trump sign, no ledgers that invoices, the handwritten notes that showed how they put this whole scheme together. the phone records, the tax, the emails, all michael cohen is here to do is to walk you through that tangible evidence. so if you're ever at that frozen, take that mr. brennan references it's not quite the right now it's one of michael cohen was telling you on the other side, it's safe to come across and then you looked and you saw 30 other people much bigger than you and your daughter walking safely across that ice, then would you trust them? that's the real question here, folks. if you keep your eye on the ball and donald trump on

falsification of business records, then you will find him guilty. >> you're both great. thank you for playing along. can we put on the screen what ankush khardori wrote for politico, well done guys. i'm gonna read this aloud from ankush. here it is. in order to establish trump's guilt on the felony charges that have been brought. prosecors have to persuade all 12 of the jurors beyond a reasonable doubt. the trump falsified those records with the intent to conceal another crime, such as breaking election laws in the end, this case could rise or fall on that ostensibly narrow but essential and still hotly contested factual question. elie, there's been no testimony in the case about a violation of election law. i'm still along up on this. go ahead, donald trump. you can name check the two of us, but how can the jury how can they get home? the prosecution in the absence of some election expert testimony? >> the charging device used here is really quite an elaborate contraption, and it

looks like the way that the judge is going to instruct the jury. you have to follow me here. you almost need a visual to map this out. and i mean this by the way, is a criticism of the charging theory. the theory is donald trump falsified business records in order for to violate some other law. the some other law is new york state law that says you cannot corruptly try to influence an election, which then incorporates three other, other laws, one of which is federal election law. the other of which has tax, which we've heard next to nothing about in this case. and the other of which get ready for this is falsifying in other business records. it's like a circular contraptions, so i think what the judge is going to do here is give a very basic maybe couple of paragraph instruction on what federal election campaign law isn't is not but volumes have been written about this. there's so much gray area and to me this is a real risk that the prosecution faces, maybe down the line in an he'll setting because the theory is so on tested okay. >> and bill, let me ask you, i agree with the way elie just

laid that out. i'm sure you do as well. but does any of it matter or will the jury disregard the intricacies and simply say he slept whether he paid her and it was because of the election bill yes. did we lose him? >> go ahead. did you hear me and if so respond? >> now, i lost audio. i go one more time, please okay. ellie just laid it out with the jury focus on the law or simply say he slept with her. he paid her, and it was because of the election well, that's what we discussed. so radio this week, my fear is that some jurors well, i don't think all 12 will and that could lead to a hung jury. i think people tried to honor their oath as jurors, and you have two lawyers on that jury. they're not going to just do a knee-jerk. so i think there's a strong likelihood of

a of a miss trial through a hung jury elie, if in fact it's not illegal for him to have slept with stormy daniels nor to a paid or hush money. and if this is all about the way in which it was recorded, because it was recorded as a legal expense how should it have been recorded? >> it's a great question, michael and i think it really points up the difficulty you face anytime the criminal law collides with election law. now, clearly there are some conduct that would violate criminal election law. for example, if a person was funneling in donations from a foreign donor, no question. that's a crime. no question that could be prosecuted. but think if you pose your question to the prosecutor's, how were they supposed to log these legal on their own hush money payments? i think the answer you'd hear from the prosecutor's is one, not our problem, and to not like this, the prosecutors i think would say, you can't falsely claim their legal fees when they're not, but there's a real problem here, mike, let me one of the fund fundamental bases of our due process here in the united states is that citizens

have a right to know with specificity in advance what is a crime and what is not a crime. and i think we're in a bit of a gray area here. and again, i think that ties up potential appellate issues bill brynn and final question for you. i'm not going to ask you to predict the outcome, but a week from today, god willing that i'm here anchoring this program on saturday morning will it all have concluded? >> if they close on tuesday? i think it's likely they'll reach a verdict by the end of the week, but you never know. i mean, it's just it's hard to predict, but if forced to make a prediction, i would say yes stick with me, gentlemen. let's read some social media allowed catherine, what do we have? i might need to lean on these two stellar attorneys. however, the trial ends, it won't end good if he is acquitted, democrats will cry foul. if guilty, republicans will cry foul. if a hung jury, both republicans and democrats will wow, i don't know elie,

if you have a reaction to that, it's really in my wheelhouse of the politics of this. i don't think the outcome is going to move the political needle. uva thought elie well, i agree with most of the viewers texts. there are tweet that it's not going to maybe move the needle depending if there's a conviction or an acquittal, but a hung jury is absolutely a win for donald trump. that's not going to lead to a 50, 50 reaction. trust me. i've had hung juries hung juries mean the prosecutor goes as a beer and the sad way and the defense goes and as a beer in the celebre tory way bill, do you think that the public opinion is already baked in regardless of what the polls showed at the outset of the trial absolutely. and the sad part is, you know, you've got a citizen of this country. you could be elie, could be me, could be, you could be anybody watching on trial for criminal offenses. and that's what it should focus on. >> gentlemen. thank you. that was really excellent. i wish i wish we could do a full hour

and i'd give you each 30 minutes. it probably be as good or better than the arguments that'll come on tuesday. i'll see you at each soon. i want to remind everybody, go to my website at smirk smerconish.com and answer today's poll question, how will it enend? ar we headed for an acquittal conviction or hung jury ahead this week came the troubling news that to symbolically partisan flags had flown outside the house and beach house those of supreme court justice samuel alito. but there's another divisive flag issue. this memorial day weekend. these days, the american flag itself has become more associated with one party and candidate causing many others to refrain from flying it. i've got thoughts on that. make sure you're signing up for my newsletter. it's were cognition dot com for which jack ohm and the pulitzer prize winner sketch to this cartoon on exactly that subject tuesday, the evidence is in the testimony has ended, but it's

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those who made the ultimate sacrifice in service to the nation it was originally called decoration day on account of the tradition of placing flowers and wreaths on the graves of those who died in uniform. quick history, it's been observed since 18, 68 when a proclamation was issued from general john, a login of the grant and army of the republic, which recognized former soldiers and sailors of the union on that first memorial day at arlington cemetery, more than 5,000 attendees decorated more than 20,000 union and confederate graves. since world war one, we've honored the dead from all the nation's wars, and it's become a national holiday. of course, it's now now also regarded as the unofficial start of summer along with local parades, there will be barbecues and good times with family and friends. there will be mingling and that's a good thing but increasingly, whether old glory will be flown as part of our celebration has become a reflection of our partisan divide like so much else in our polarized times according to

fox news, a poll last year, 94% of republicans registered republican voters. >> consider flying an american flag and act of patriotism compared with 75% of democrats in 2022, npr marist asked who always has a flag? outside their home? 59% of republicans said they did compared with 27% of independents and just 22% of democrats. i worry that these divides will grow anecdotally. i see signs that the flag is now perceived as being associated with one presidential candidate, more so than another. that causes some to want to fly it. and it causes others to refrain from flying it. and that's a shame the flag should be seen as belonging to everybody look i get it. if you're flying the flag on the back of a pickup truck alongside reference to brandon. i know your politics, but that doesn't mean that everyone else should refrain from showing some patriotism because of a concern of false association flying our flag

shouldn't mean you support any particular candidate, nor should it imply that you're wholly satisfied with the direction of the country? you can be disappointed in the current climate and the current candidates, most are it doesn't mean that you love the country any less. it just means that you want to fix it and thank god, we have a country that allows us a process to resolve our differences, protecting that framework that needs to be our highest priority and applying our flag, flying our flag should be recognition of what we still hold in common a survey released last month from the associated press, norc, found that in nine of ten us adults say the right to vote, the right to equal protection under the law, the right to privacy. there are extremely important or very important to the united states identity as a nation the survey also found that 84% feel the same way about freedom of religion. in other words, there remains so much that we have in common equal protection, freedom of speech, the right to assembly we just disagree about how we get there. we've been

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fertility rate. it's falling at an alarming pace from an average of five births per woman in 1952, only 2.3 births in 2021. and in the us, it's even unless it's at the point where our population size may no longer be sustainable. some of the most populous nations like mexico, india, china, first saw their birth rates began to plummet in 1980. in the united states, the fertility rates started declining in 2007, which many assumed was due to the 2008 financial crisis. but the national bureau of economic research published a study in 2021 that found unemployment health care, housing, childcare, and student debt did not explain the drop in us birth rates. women across all different levels of income, education, and labor force participation are having fewer or no children which could lead to serious consequences for the rest of society last year, the nation's total fertility rate continued to drop to 1.6 which

is the lowest on record. joining me now is melissa carnian, economics professor at the university of maryland and coauthor of the study the puzzle of falling us birth rates since the great recession, dr. carney, thank you for being here. why do you think this is happening my other philippine and i refer to what we see is shifting priorities and you mentioned a whole bunch of factors that don't seem to explain the decline. and so the way we reconcile the evidence from both the us that's and other high-income countries is that fundamentally young adults today are not choosing to make marriage and having kids the centerpiece of their adult life to the same extent that they did before the conflict between career and leisure goals and the time and expense of having kids is coming into conflict and people are making king different choices some will hear this and they'll say, well, this is great news. this is less taxing for the planet. you're well-versed in a book that came out like two decades

ago and said we were headed for catastrophe is it good news or is it bad news? >> i think this is fundamentally bad news. so let me say most people see it is good news because they think it's good for the planet. now, setting aside the fact that it's completely defeatist to say, well, if we get rid of humanity, the planet can survive without us. the fact of the matter is despite the sort of alarm that some are raising about declining birth rates population is not going to shrink global population is not going to shrink fast enough to address our immediate climate challenges and so we do need to figure out a way to decarbonize so that the population can survive with the earth together. >> but economically falling population and elderly or an aging population puts a lot of fiscal and economic pressures on society. >> and that's why most high-income countries now are trying to experiment with pro natalist policies to bring about a reversal of the decline in the birth rate i'm going to

put on the screen something from the wall street journal that drew me to this story and it reads as follows, republican senator jd vance of ohio said falling fertility matters beyond the economic pressures of a smaller labor force and unfounded social security, quote, do you live in communities where there are smiling, happy children, or where people are just aging, lack of siblings and cousins. >> he said contributes to children's social isolation. there are a lot of factors at play here, and i guess i want to ask you, does it pose an existential threat? >> yeah. i'm as an economist immediately what i see is the fiscal threat it poses to social security and medicare. i see the threat of shrinking working age population poses to our economic dynamism and our living standards. we need more people to create ideas and technological innovations that improve all of our living standards. but fundamentally declining human population, which is something we've never experienced in the modern world, that poses an existential threat and before

we get to that point, there are the societal questions that i think that quote you just raise mentioned, which is how to kids grow up when they don't have siblings or cousins, or people around, how do people get taken care of in their old age? page if they don't have children. and then fundamentally, we are looking at a decrease in the population which it sounds existential and a bit crazy. but given where we are with fertility rates, it's actually the most likely scenario and so this is something that both in the short, medium and long run, we really need to be thinking about this is unfair to you, dr. carney, because we're limited in time. is there anything that can be done about it? and if so, what look simple economic tinkering, like a small tax credit for people to have kids or expansion of paid leave. all of those things are great. they're not fundamentally going to that's all the problem. >> i think to even stabilize birthrates and the high-income countries, we're gonna

fundamentally need a reorientation of society towards one that's much more family friendly, that's much more pro kid. it will take we've seen now south korea's offering $70,000, the equivalent of $70,000 two people that have kids, it's going to take a massive infusion of support to families, as well as let me say some survey evidence says much smaller to micro level. we're going to need dads and meant to pick up more of the childcare and household work in the home. so it's going to take for this to change. >> it's going to require much more than small anchoring around the edges that was excellent. >> thank you, dr. carney. we appreciate you thanks for having me social media reaction, catherine, what do we have from the world of twitter people worry about being able to afford a child. health care is expensive and you have checked the cost of college years ago, a working person could afford a house, a car, and have kids i think it's economic concerns. i judy, all of that obviously is true. but i think that the the looming

role of technology is again involved in this conversation. our kids are not, our kids are not. look at the data, look at the just so you know, i'm not pulling this out of thin air. look at the cdc report from one year ago based on a survey sample size of 17,000 young americans today, they're not dating, they're not having sex. and you might think that the latter is a good thing. no, it's not a good thing because it's actually tied to all these spikes in mental health issues. we've got to mangle. and if everybody's divided by technology, not the least of which is also the politics to they're not getting together and should we be any surprise therefore, that they're not having kids. it's all of these things still to come. more of your best and worst social media comments don't forget to vote. today's poll question. it had to be this, right? how's it going to end acquittal conviction? hung jury, go to smerconish.com common cast a ballot choice. >> hotels is a family of brands with a hotel for any traveler

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>> like if it's a conviction dependent upon violation of election law, what election law and where was the testimony? >> in my world, there's expert testimony presented somebody with credentials in this case, probably an academic who knows the federal election campaign act or the new york statute. and at a certain point you say dr. so-and-so. do you have an opinion within a reasonable degree of federal election or state election certainty as to whether the law was violated in yes, i do. and what is that opinion? and then they offer that and then there's a rebuttal from the defense. but that specificity is lacking in this case. and by the way, it might not matter. it might not matter. the jury might simply decide he slept, whether he paid or it's because of the election. let's go home but that's not what i think the case really requires quickly. i'm sorry, i'll give me one more. i know i went in for went on for awhile. there. >> something is wrong with libertarian leadership.

>> if there was a time for an alternative candidate, this is it. what did they give us? nauta? it's a shame. hey, doug ledi, it's funny that you say that because as i was speaking to nick gillespie from from reason i too was thinking that and it made me think of no labels. i mean, you know, the the data the data says like two-thirds of the american people wish they had an alternative, a choice. they look at the republicans, democratic party and they say like this is the best de a god and then no labels, well-funded, well organized, they couldn't find a ticket and if in the end, the libertarians no disrespect to the five who were in that straw poll, but none of them are household names, like the moon and the stars have lined up you would think that this would be a cycle where there'd be choice. okay. coming up, the final results of today's poll question, it's were countach.com, how will the trump trial and if you haven't voted yet, go vote registered for the daily newsletter while you're there, please sign up for it. it's free and it's worthy. you'll get exclusive content from tremendous

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acquittal nine. and by the way, i think that's about right. i think it's i mean, i think it's very close between conviction or hung jury acquittal, a distant third, i'll keep it up. keep voting. i'm sure we're going to probably get close to 50,000 social media. i've got time for just one. what are we have catherine? not a fan of trump, but have major reservations about this trial. if he is found guilty, brings up the very serious question. are we so divided as a country that jury's can't deliver justice without politics being in play. i agree with you, joe, and i think that there are a number of people the polling data bears this out a number of people who, who will say, i'm not a fan of the guy and i'd rather but not be him. but something's not right about this. my own take as to what's about to unfold. i don't know how it ends, and i don't know if any of the jurors ever do media but i won't be surprised if a week from now, there's a member of the media who a member, a juror who says we just totally discounted all of michael coh'