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gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you from new york today on the program the icc requests arrest warrants for benjamin netanyahu and his defenseman mr. growing, a mix of applause and strong condemnation around the world. there is no equivalence between israel and hamas. >> i'll talk two orient is the founder of human rights watch, a jewish american who fled nazi germany in 1939 who has studied the situation closely i've come to some tough conclusions then the perpetually provocative bill maher with five months to go until the election. i asked him about donald trump, the republican party, and whether he is sounding cranky than usual

these days. >> it's not that i've gotten all that said ideas are stupid and the protest that emerged across college campuses this spring echoed those against the vietnam war in the 19th 60s i lost the master storyteller, doris kearns goodwin about those comparisons. >> and about leadership lessons. biden and can learn from past presidents but first, here's my tick the situation in israel looks grim the one gaza drags on with more palestinian casualties. opposition to israel builds internationally if and when it decides it has degraded hamas enough to stop. no palestinian or arab forces likely to be willing to take over gaza. israel will stay on as the occupying force new insurgencies will probably pop up and gaza will remain a wasteland populated by 2.2 million palestinians living types of desperation.

meanwhile, conditions and the west bank or deteriorating rapidly if the palestinian authority would collapse, israel would have to volatile arenas and around 5 million palestinians to police night and day indefinitely. there is a way out. in fact, the biden administration has been working to find a way to turn the crisis into an opportunity national security adviser, jake sullivan, has been doggedly pursuing an effort to get saudi arabia to normalize relations with israel in return for what saudi arabia's foreign minister has discord right as a credible and irreversible path to a palestinian state that the plan might sound like a pie in the sky. but in fact, official american and saudi sources have publicly said that they are close to a deal the parts that involve washington and riyadh had been mostly worked out by sullivan and crown prince mohamed i've been salmon. >> it involves major american commitments of formal security guarantee from the us to saudi arabia as well as technology

transfers to enable a civilian nuclear program. >> but the final element, a path to a palestinian state is critical. the saudis have not demanded that a palestinian state be established right away, merely that there is a solid road to it that will mean a timetable for israel and a series of conditions for the palestinians each having to meet its obligations such a deal could also open up key elements to stabilizing the situation in gaza palestinian participation and arab involvement in post-war security reconstruction funds and european support, among other things. it would all realize israel's greatest hope and dream to be integrated into the region economically and politically. >> after all, one saudi arabia, the custodian of islam's two holiest sites, and the funder of many arab governments has joined hands with israel there would be strong reasons for

other arab and islamic countries to follow the main obstacle right now is israel's opposition to any such concessions. >> that's understandable israelis are still traumatized by the brutal october 7 terrorist attack. they believe that any talk of a palestinian state rewards terrorism and they cannot trust that a palestinian state would ever be a peaceful neighbor these are all valid concerns, but it's also worth remembering that efforts to normalize relations between israel and saudi arabia have been going on for at least five years to derail those efforts because of october 7, would really be to reward terrorism is really need to be reminded that they have an existential problem as an israeli prime minister, one said the truth is that in the area of our homeland now lives a large population of palestinians we do not want to rule over them. we do not want

to run their lives. we do not want to force our flag and our culture on them. in my vision of peace, there are two, three people's living side-by-side in the small land with good neighbourly relations and mutual respect each with its flag, anthem, and government, with neither one threatening its neighbors security and existence. he added a strong palestinian government will strengthen peace the man who spoke those words with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and his bar-ilan speech in 2009. in it, he outlined conditions for that palestinian state demilitarized with a prohibition against making military treaties with foreign powers but he is on the record speaking in favor of a palestinian state president biden should now lay out his vision for this future explain that the us and saudi arabia have come to an agreement and they're all that remains is for israel to join in the discussion and reach a comprehensive packed he should

remind bibi netanyahu of the final leinz of his bayer land speech invoking the prophet isaiah let us know war no more let us know peace go to cnn.com slash fareed for a link to my washington post column this week and let's get started israel faced a tough week as the international criminal court requested arrest warrants for three hamas leaders and for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and his defense minister, you have golan all of them responsible. its chief prosecutor, karim khan said, for crimes against humanity unresponsive, but the international court of justice, a un body also based in the hague, said friday that israel must halt its offensive in rafah. although its decisions are not binding, of course, that ruling was part of its ongoing hearing on whether

israel is guilty and its war on hamas of, genocide against the palestinians my guest is r&r. he is a giant in the world of human rights and a survivor of genocide himself. he was born a jew and nazi germany, he and his parents escape berlin two weeks before the start of world war ii. he went on to study at cornell and then to co-found human rights watch. he was at the forefront of the movement to establish the international tribunals which eventually became the icc and the icj is also the former head of the aclu and the author of many books he wrote a powerful piece in the new york review of books this month on the situation in gaza. thank you for joining us. >> very ghraieb to do your name raa is hebrew. it's a hebrew name. it means lion. >> why did your parents give it to you? >> well, my parents were ins and they wanted to give me a hebrew name even then, nazi germany all the time, you heard a of human rights watch. you. i

think only one time accused the country of genesis. yes. saddam hussein? yes attempt to eliminate the cold currents so when you say in this new york review of books piece that you have concluded that israel is guilty of attempting genocide. yes that's a very heavy charge as what is the principle reason you say that? well, first let me say it, but when the south african case charging genocide was initially brought, i was not one of those who endorsed the south africa's argument of genocide. i didn't endorse it because i thought israel had a right to retaliate against her hamas. and i thought israel had a right to try to incapacitate hamas so that it would never be able to do anything like that. again. but i was disturbed by some of the actions of israel

by the use of very large weapons 2000 some pound bombs, which are utterly inappropriate and a crowded urban area. a bomb like that can kill somebody two football fields away. and using bombs like that, was inappropriate. and the contexts of gaza, but still, i didn't think that israel was engaged in genocide just because of the effort to retaliate against hamas, even though i thought israel went far overboard in the way of its retaliation. so what changed your mind will change my mind was that over a period of time? israel has obstructed the delivery of humanitarian assistance to gaza and those who have been most severely victimized are not the members of hamas men with guns ordinarily find a way to get

food and he get fed but it is young children who are most severely damaged by malnutrition and who will either starve to death or if they survive they will be diminished for the rest of their lives, diminished physically and psychologically by the severe malnutrition they are gearing us children and i thought that severe obstruction of the delivery of humanitarian assistance amounted to genocide the israeli case is multifold, but let me suggest one angle that i've heard people taking, which is in the beginning, there was a kind of israeli raid there's that famous quote of defense minister golan. he says, i have ordered a complete siege on the gaza strip. there will be no electricity, no food, no fuel. everything is closed. we are fighting human animals and we act accordingly. but that over time they did

start letting food and fuel in and they have not there might have been a period where they said and did things like that, but that was brief and it has ended the amount of food and the amount of water and the amount of fuel they have allowed n is entirely inadequate to deal with the 2 million more than 2 million people who live in gaza. and the usaid administrator, samantha power i testified before congress that famine had set in and gaza, the head of the un world food program has said that full-blown famine is underway in gaza destroying the farms, destroying the greenhouses in gaza killing a large number of aid workers who were involved in the distribution of food challenging the ability of the un that has been principally

involved in distributing food to continue the new that activity and persuading the united states and other governments to cut off funds from that agency. all those things have had a cumulative impact on the availability of food and water and electricity, and medical supplies in gaza prime minister netanyahu says that the israeli, the idf, the israeli army, is actually scrupulous and very moral in the way it handles these things are tries very hard. what do you say about he says that i don't think others would say that at this moment. >> there are settlers in the west bank area who are interrupting trucks taking humanitarian assistance into gaza they are attacking the truck drivers, swelling the contents of trucks carrying humanitarian aid. the israeli

defense forces have not intervened in order to prevent the settlers from engaging and sabotage or bath salt in delivering humanitarian assistance. be internet will be israeli defense forces have aided the settlers and a very large number of palestinians in the west bank have been killed them past few months often with the israel defense forces either standing by or directly participating and attacks on palestinians in that area there is really officials and that people who feel passionately on the subject who say the reason this warrants are particularly unjustified is because israel has a process, a judicial process to look into abuses of its army. >> it's a democracy statute for the international criminal court is based on the principle of complementarity complimentarity means that if a

government actually in good faith, conducts an investigation itself of abuses that have been committed and takes action itself to punish those who may have been engaged in abuses we icc should step back. but in the case of israel, there is no indication, but there has been any effort by the israeli authorities to conduct an investigation of the abuses committed in gaza. >> do you take it the past? have they done it? you have confidence in the israeli system no, i don't have confidence in the israeli system they have been many abuses over the years and there has not been appropriate investigation and punishment of those who have been responsible for abuses for minister netanyahu says that this prosecutor is anti-semitic and it's feeding antisemitism the use of the term anti-semitism

to attack those who criticize is israeli policies degrades the concept of anti-semitism. >> anti-semitism has been a great scorch but it doesn't insulate the israeli government from being held to the same standards that other governments have to be held to around the world is v israeli government it's been very comfortable with certain ma, anti-semites prime minister netanyahu, for example, has cultivated a relationship with viktor orban, the prime minister of hungary and i think it's appropriate to consider or bottom an anti-semite but in to charge the international criminal court with anti-semitism is i think absurd for you, as somebody who's a jew who escaped nazi germany, this must be a way the charge to accuse israel of genocide it's a terrible thing to

accuse anyone of genocide, but it's a more terrible thing that genocide should take place. in my view, jews are only going to be safe if everyone's rights are respected and the rights of jews are respected along with the rights of everyone else. >> the 87 years old you're certainly still going strong. >> thank you very much next on gps, i sit down with the always insightful bill maher to talk about the presidential election gaza and more russia, we're trying to spy on us. we were spying on them. >> this is a secret war. >> secrets spies premieres next sunday at ten on cnn from

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one across the political spectrum is safe from the acid width of bill maher, the comedian and host of real time on hbo on recent episodes of his show, he has brought his sharp analysis two big issues in the news such as the presidential election and college campus protests. >> i wanted to talk to him about all that and more. he has a new book called what this comedians said will shock you and i should note that hbo and cnn share the same parent company, warner brothers discovery bill, or pleasure to have you on. always great to see you so in the middle of your book, you're right. >> some people think i've changed i assure you i have not i'm still the same unmarried, childless pot smoking liberty and i always was. i had many floors, but you can't accuse me of maturing now, that sounds like a really funny good book. so i want to put to you, because i know you like listening to disagreement. people who say to me, and there

are many who is loved bill maher but he, he has mature too much. >> he's become cranky. he's become crotchety. he's become one of those old guys who says kids are crazy is he it was better in my day. >> what do you say to them? >> they're wrong the wrong, and the kids aren't crazy it's interesting, they have this idea. >> the younger generation, maybe every generation does that just because something is new makes it better and that's not true. new is not synonymous with better, but just sounding like an old-fashioned, but it's certainly okay i heard a couple of people say, or maybe they wrote an online that well, i'm a hypocrite because you were for the demonstrators in 1968 or whatever it was when they were demonstrating against the vietnam war yeah, that was very different. >> first of all, the students warrant against their own, these students were threatening

other students that didn't happen in the vietnam war and being against the vietnam war was made sense. it was a award that we probably should not have been in but this is demonstrating and protesting for a terrorist group hamas is fair. >> a lot of students on doing that, there are a lot of outside people have mixed together what students are doing, what outside protesters but let me ask you a broader question, which is a lot of people will say, look this is how you get change. you, it's noisy. some people do say the wrong thing. some people go too far. >> but the whole tradition of this kind of expansion of rights, it's messy, it's chaotic yeah, we're where there's probably a bunch of access as they were probably wasn't the 60s. >> there was the black panthers and the weathermen and things like that but they've, they think of you as somebody who was you know, you were okay with all that, but you've you've turned i haven't turned yes.

>> people have said to me, you make front of the left more than you're used to and guilty. >> i have because the left has changed. now, the right has changed. also, an even worse i mean, the right doesn't believe in democracy anymore i mean, they've thrown their lot in with a sociopath named donald trump, who only things elections count when we win. okay, well, that's worse. but it's not like the left hasn't changed. also so i'm going to call it out wherever i see it. i mean, there things that have to do with gender and race and free speech. and just ideas about you can be healthy at any weight and gender is always a social construct and maybe we should give communism and other try and maybe we should get rid of capitalism in the border patrol. and let's tear down statues of lincoln and get rid of the police just no, it's not that i've gotten old, it's that your ideas are stupid okay

still comments and yet comments sense, common sense, and i'm going to call it out wherever it is on this bactrim. >> let me ask you about a related thing that you've that you've written about and talked about, which i find very interesting. you think that the men in in particular have lost their young men have lost the ability to communicate to date to know how to court women yes. >> i think this is going to be a very big problem. i think young men thought it was a great thing when tinder came along. oh my my gosh, look, i don't even have to talk to a girl. it's all right here on my phone. i can just scroll through like it's a menu like i'm ordering from grubhub but truth is that tender is mostly men it's like two-thirds of men who are on the site. so that's not good odds if you're a man and then most women on it say they will swipe left on anyone who's not six feet tall, which would leave us out so what is the upshot of this is going to be my guess would be a lot of horney frustrated,

angry trump voters is i'm guessing where these guys are going to go. they already have this group called in cells of you heard of that in itself stands for involuntarily celebrate and they're very angry and very vocal and i don't blame them. i remember when i was in cell, but we didn't have a word for it and women have not changed that much. i know if you look in the media, it looks like we're all fluid and gay and trans and on the spectrum and non-binary. but i don't know. the bachelor is still on just don't think women have changed that much. and they're communicative creatures, you have to talk to them. and i think men are losing that ability. i think they just think they can send a text of an eggplant emoji and right what's up? and they're gonna be home for eight now, you have to core. yes, you have to do some according women have not changed in that regard we have to take a break. >> we will be right back with bill maher, but going to talk

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doc? better katie, smarter joan by morning. >> got it. got abbas, daughter, you've got this filing earth with the liev schreiber premieres next sunday at nine on cnn and we are back with bill maher with his new book so you've talked a lot about how the left has gone crazy, but to be fair to you, you've always also pointed out the right has gone even crazier, embracing trump. i want to ask you why you think it happened? >> because this was the party of ronald reagan, free markets, free trade, loved immigration very optimistic what do you think made it it's now endure pessimistic america is is determined. it's to american carnage well, i think the basis of it as we started to hate each other. i mean, you mentioned ronald reagan famously, he used to have a drink at the end of the day, often with tip o'neill, who was the leader in the house and the democrat. but they were just two irish paul's who

could get together and have a scotch at the end of the day. and they knew they weren't going to get along on many issues, but they didn't hate each other. they could drink together. that is inconceivable today. can you imagine joe biden having a drink with mike johnson? it just would never happen when you hate people, you don't listen to them. so it doesn't matter how reasonable they might be we have reached this place where each side things the other side is an existential threat. you hear that term from both sides all the time. that is just a terrible place to be because we find ourselves in this situation where both sides are literally siding with enemies of america rather than the opposition party within the country. i mean you see republican maga, people with t-shirts that say, i'd rather be with russia than democrats i mean, i mean, trump stood with putin against our intelligence

agencies fox news. >> we do literally use his russian talking points. >> i mean, tucker carlson went over there and did the whole dog and pony show backing up putin basically. and on the left, you see them marching for hamas us a terrorist organization this is a terrible place to be and it can happen here. the last chapter in the book is called civil war and its, and you hear more about it all the time. people who are actually pining for it, civil war come on. let's do this thing. let's get this going. that's have this national divorce it can't work. it won't work. >> half the country is not going to self deport even if you win every election. >> so what, what should, i mean? somebody like obama came in trying to be the unifier. remember he famously would invite then speaker john boehner to whitehouse screen and it's been a window a couple of gut got so much schiff, never went back biden has stride to reach out.

what's the strategy that might work apparently not bad. >> i mean, i think we're past that. i don't know. i don't know what it is. i mean, i think this goes back to the supreme court fights that we had in the was it late 80s or early 90s. this goes back a long way. so it's going to take a long way to get back to some sort of normalcy. i don't know. sometimes you have to hit bottom before you can go back to the top. i don't know what that means in this country. but i know one thing donald trump is not going to concede the election so what happens in january 2025 on the 20th, when an organization day rolls around and he didn't win the election, he's not just going to go away and if he wins and he's the president in january 20, 2025, he's never going to give that up because he doesn't understand the constitution, doesn't care about it. i don't think he's ever read it he just knows power and winning. and our side is right where do you get more

hate mail from the left or right? >> i don't know because i don't read it that out. >> i don't care felt my pleasure to have you. >> thank you. always next on gps, the 1960s with a tumultuous decade it filled with hope and change, but also despair and violence. what lessons can we draw from this era? i'll ask doris kearns goodwin thinking i'm thinking about her honeymoon, about africa as far hot air balloon rides, swim with elephants, weight three before to safari. >> great question. like everything takes a little planning or what the mind towards a down payment on a ranch in montana with horses. let's take a look at those scenarios. jpmorgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools like wealth plan to help keep you on track when you're planning for it all the answer is jpmorgan wealth management from roger

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calls dx1 de in march, ticket just come there. he'd been brought over as a speech writer for lbj, having worked for jfk. and he said the president wants to talk to us about a johnson program, not something that he's just doing to finish for kennedy. he had gotten the tax cut so which was kennedy's civil rights was moving through so he said, dick that, we go into the oval office, said no, are going to the white house swimming pool. they get to the swimming pool and johnson swimming naked in the pool deck, said he looked like a whale going side stroking up and down. the two of them is standing there in their suits and ties and go johnson says, well, come on in guys, and they have nothing to do but strip, they go and now you suddenly have three guys swimming in the pool. they can then find naked. he finally goes over to the side and then he just holds forth. this is what i want the johnson program to be. and he goes through medicare civil rights, voting rights, aid to education immigration reform, pbs that's npr pollution control. it was extraordinary that vision was in his head already had been there for a long time really. then they had to figure out a name for it. so there was debate in the white

house. some wanted to call it the glorious society. so i wanted to call it a better deal instead of a new deal. but dick just tried out the great society and a number of small speeches. and that's what caught on the civil rights barges. another connection that famous moment when he addresses congress and he says we shall overcome, which was the anthem of the civil rights movement. that was your husband, right? he had only that one day to write that speech, johnson decided on a sunday night it's going to give a speech to a joint session on monday night to call for voting because the selma demonstrations have taken place. and again, the country sentiment was fired conscience by watching what the alabama troopers did to the peaceful marches. so we knew i have to act now. and so as he was working on the speech that day, he took a break outside. any heard some kids and the distance singing, we shall overcome. and he of course, had also been on the march on washington when he got to that moment in the speech that even it starts out so beautifully

said, i speak tonight for the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy every now and then history and fate meet at a certain time in a certain place. so it was in lexington and concord. so it was an apa madix. so it was in selma, alabama but then he goes on to say, but even if we get this voting rights act is still gonna be a big battle to overcome prejudice and bigotry that we need to do. but if we work together than the full blessings will be given to americans. and if we do that, any paused, we show now overcome the audience was silent for a moment and then they realized the banner of the civil rights movement, the outside movement was being brought into the highest councils of government to the highest power. and something would be done. and john lewis said that in selma, alabama, martin luther king cried at that moment wow and it's basically there to remember those words all these years later so nowadays, people are looking at the analogies between the 60s and now, what about the, the protests on campuses of the vietnam war

compared to gaza? >> i mean, the vietnam war was a major issue and united states are soldiers. we're going. now tens of thousands are going to be killed. and there was also a defined mission to stop the bombing and negotiate the peace. and actually, the young students who came from mccarthy in new hampshire, who is going to run against lbj and 68 from all over the country. their mission was met. i mean, they came, they cut their hair, they cut their beer feds the girls wore long dresses, and they went door to door and they simply talk to that hawkish people in new hampshire don't you want to change the direction of the country they listened to them and he got 42% of the vote. it led to lyndon johnson stopping the bombing, trying to negotiate the peace, withdrawing from the race and had it not been for fate in many ways, that mission might truly have been accomplished. because what happened, happened is north vietnam said they'll come to the table the very next day. there was set to go to hawaii to bring generals and everybody that has start the talks. martin luther king was shot. and then the riots happened. and then the peace talks stalled. and then you get the democratic convention.

frustration has built up those same piece. kids are there. they just want to see a piece plank and they're there to make that happen. but there's also people just wanting mayhem disturbing, holding viet cong flags, provoking police, and then the police of course, had a riot and that was the end of the democratic party's chances for that election law and order became the theme of richard nixon again, quite different from today. this was a war americans were fighting thousands of college students were being recruited for it. >> and they say now in some of the polls that while gaza seemed important on the college campuses where it was being played out in most young people between 18 and 30, inflation's way at the top and gaza, maybe 15. so it's it's made itself because of the medium, because of where the protest took place. but it's a different caliber, different kind of fight much more complicated sensitivities on both sides, et cetera. >> and we will be back riyadh saves new album is breaking records gets to say what country is called big country

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biden well, i think that was at the beginning of joe biden's time in the white house. >> and we talked about what communication scott i'll might be best suited for him and i thought the fireside chat, conversational style of fdr would be the difficulty today is that when you used to have an fdr speech, that 80% of the radios would be tuned into it. it was everybody listening at the same time and he was able to make people feel he was talking in their living rooms that he was fighting for them and i think for for for biden right now, more important than telling what he's done people know that or they might not know that. they ads can do that. >> but it has to make people feel he's fighting for them. >> that's what fdr said is very simple. they have to feel your on their side and he has to make them feel there's still a battle to be the so many battles still to be fought way beyond what the legislation has this, the battle for women to have the right to choose as a battle for climate change, there's a battle for gun safety. all those are out there. majority of people want those things done. and he has to make people feel i'm gonna fight for those. this is a

continuing fight and i'm on it the poll shows something very interesting that people want change and some of them want change in effect from the right and someone from the left, but nobody wants the status quo. so biden has to show that he's a change agent, is that a problem precedence have often face because he is the incumbent? >> it's always hard when you're in the incumbent because then they blame you for every part of the country that they don't like. and they don't really give you credit for the part that's already there but somehow that's got to take vitality. it's got to take tone. it's got to take him going around the country and it's, it's hard to do. i mean, i think that's right, but i think they can do it sometimes i'm in a second term is often difficult for people and they lose it sometimes trump on the other hand, does have this extraordinary kalisa like following of people. i don't think i've ever seen that with the politician. is there is something that comes close in american history. >> he has a charisma and there's no question teddy roosevelt had a charisma and teddy roosevelt also like being

in the center of power as does trump. and they said about teddy that he wanted to be the baby at the baptism, the bright at the wedding, and the corpse at the funeral. but his charisma was used to make a better country for us in the industrial revolution. and he became a very popular president, much like trump in a sense, people adored him and with follow him around. but today the television and the media and the social media have allowed that charisma to create a group of people who feel he's on their side somehow whether or not that's true in terms of policies that he would enact and what he said he would do, that there's an emotional connection they have with each other, a camaraderie with each other. we're against them. and them the establishment them or the system them or the elites. and somehow he's made them feel he's against them. and that's a powerful feeling that you have to combat. >> what does it take for somebody like biden? because they're his role model has to be someone like fdr. >> fdr. >> people always thought he was fighting for them he made them feel that day by day. i mean,

there's a story of a construction worker hurrying home one night. and his partner said, where are you going? he said, my president, he's coming in my living room tonight. i have to be there to greet him when he comes. he talked to my friends, but he was a fighting spirit. i mean, even in that first inaugural, he comes in and he says, only a foolish optimist would deny the brutal realities of this moment. but i'm telling you that there's nothing to fear but fear itself. if we fight together. he said, it's not your fault that this depression has taken place. it's the leadership the leadership at i'm replacing i'm going to act as if we're at war and i'm gonna get you jobs and i'm gonna fight that's a spirit that people, when they're feeling that they're not being treated, right, or they need some vision of the future if that person is making them feel he's got to lead them somewhere. and you have to we have to accept that that's what's happening with trump and the group of people that still support them and figure out how to make them feel that somebody else has the policies that might help them in the future and also has the fighting spirit. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for having me talk

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