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have mesothelial not we'll send you a free book to answer questions you may have called now and we'll come to you 808 to one 4,000 welcome to inside politics on this memorial day monday, i'm phil mattingly in today for dana bash get ready for a history making week in american politics by the end of it, the jury of 12 ordinary american citizens may actually finished their deliberations and decide whether to make donald trump a convicted felon. >> now, no matter the outcome, both trump and biden campaign we'll have huge strategic decisions to make on how much, if at all, to focus on that verdict in the final months before election day, quinnipiac poll last week found that 70 in ten voters are actually following the trial, at least somewhat closely. the big question whether an unprecedented criminal trial will have any impact at all on who wins in november my great political panel is so here to help answer that question and many more, cnn's kristen holmes, little grown lopez, the pbs newshour, cnn's camila to

chalice and jacket qsen itch of the boston globe guys? welcome. thanks for coming in. christian, i want to start with you. the big picture of how much whatever happens this week, may be bleeding into next week, depending on where the jury is, we'll actually matter on the election itself. you're so tied in with the trump team when they look ahead past whatever the verdict is, how do they feel like this trial will impact these months ahead? >> well, there's two schools of thought. one is that it's not going to impact them at all. that's the kind of traditional donald trump raw, rah school of thought that no matter what he does, he's teflon. his base is going to support it and eventually other people will come out too. but there's also another school of thought and this is with some of his senior advisers that they really don't know that this is uncharted territory, that there is a very real chance that this could deeply harm donald trump, particularly with those voters in this middle segment. remember, both sides believe that this election is we're going to come down to a very small group of voters in the middle. if those people are turned off by a verdict, guilty verdict in

this case, that's obviously going to impact the election and check it, check if that's such a good point because i think a lot of people right now are in the position of like everything's baked in, nothing actually matters. nothing has moved for the better part of the aids less ten months there's wallstreet journal headline. i want to bring up says donald trump, hush money verdict is set to shape a summer of presidential politics. but whether the verdict changes the game or not, these campaigns are now about to actually enter a real campaign as opposed to whatever the last five weeks have been. and when you think about whether the conviction will matter, there's that new quinnipiac full likelihood of voting for trump if he's convicted, more likely 24 percent less likely 6% no different, 68%, 6%. these are trump supporters. if percent of trump's supporters to christine's point, it matters to them and he's convicted. >> he has a huge problem. >> he does. and then on the flip side, if he's not convicted, what kind of momentum could that present? and could be problematic for the biden campaign? i think you really will have kind of choose your own adventure situation depending on this verdict

there's an expectation that biden will give a speech once this drops. so i'm sure there's two versions of that speech. probably many versions that speech honestly, that they're working on to just determine how, which way to instruct the country to put out a message when you are the sitting president of united states and your opponent is going through whatever happens, regard guard less of the outcome in this first trial, the president biden's campaign to jackie's point is essentially staffing up already so that they're going to be hiring campaign staff specifically dedicated to these independent nikki haley type voters. that is what they are going to be fully dedicated to turning them out, to trying to persuade them regardless of whether or not trump is convicted and they're also heavily targeting some republican big name potential jill endorsements in addition to just geoff duncan, the former lieutenant governor of georgia, but other republicans, they didn't get nikki haley on

president biden side, you can build on that point. and i think jackie liberates us to the political story. i think jonathan, the why are routed its biden n stayed silent on trump's trial. the verdict is going to change that you're talking about a potential speech from the white house. >> how are they thinking about this? >> they've been so cautious and so intentionally hands-off related to any of the cases, what do they do now? >> well, what campaign officials just have told us at this point in time, they are monitoring this trial, but whether they're going to use this campaign time when they're talking to vote is to really talk about it. they say that they rather focused on other issues talking about abortion, talking about what they're doing for veterans. it's when you were talking about independence earlier, that is a key demographic that biden is targeting. but look at when he even went to new hampshire, that is a state that has a lot of independence. so it's how they're strategically moving to address not only what's happening in the country, but a lot of the disconnect that sometimes voters say is that biden is not really in touch with what's happening in the country. and even though voters are paying attention to this

trial, he has used this time in the past few months to really talk about issues like the economy that voters are really carrying about. but whether we see that an upcoming days that they're going to shift their tune when we have talked about trump, he's talked biden's talked about how he poses a threat to democracy. but whether that's going to get more aggressive, we'll see that in the upcoming days. >> we've talked about this a lot during the trial during commercial breaks sitting there for hours, about how you tip your capital bit to todd blanche and their legal team. they have kept trump channel at least if you compare it to pass trial experiences varies, lashed out or stormed out, or any of those things. the new york times writing about kind of what happens next. this we can say that they expect will be angry and ventral, which i don't think needs to take a toke hello. reporting to figure out that's where he's going to be. >> how how does this thing, thing that will affect their kind of strategy going forward? i really don't think that they're quite sure what to expect from the next week. i think there are two, again, two schools of thought. one is that there could be a hung jury. that is the hope that they reached wondering and this or that he's going to be convicted

and that's a donald trump has been saying privately that he believes that he's likely to get convicted. he says it's an unfair jury that it's because it's based in manhattan. >> but they haven't even really and we were hearing about biden talking about making remarks. >> they haven't really figured out what they're going to do after this verdict comes down. how are they going to respond? is he going to give remarks right away? it's going to set something up at trump tower. are they going to wait? a beep? is he going to leave and go somewhere else? these are all conversations that they're currently having right now. so as to how this actually affects the campaign, they're not even through the end of the week yet they need to get through that first to figure out like what is actually how many plans do we need to have your to figure out what exactly is going on? >> i've had this through the last couple of weeks. it's just me talking to myself so crazy when i talk about it as one does. what does which is for a lot of folks, they haven't seen a real campaign since 2016, right? covid happened in 2020, kind of the peak moment of the democratic primaries this campaign cycle has not really been much of a campaign. the republican primaries were snuffed out pretty quick because trump and his team steamrolled everybody else. then the trial feels like we're

gonna get a real campaign in the next three or four months. we haven't seen in awhile, is that right? or are we still going to get a very similar slow moving whatever this has been? >> no, i think i think that's right. i mean, present biden's campaign would argue that he's been out there are a ton well, trump has been stuck in court, which is a fair argument. right? and he's been trapped whether it's in the presidential capacity or campaign capacity going all across the country trying to make that economic argument showing that they're trying to put shovels in the ground and that the infrastructure is you'll lean the infrastructure bill is yielding jobs and the other bills that he's pastor, you'll be more jobs. but i think that yes, especially as we head into the debate and then coming out of the end of june debate, it is going to be full steam ahead. >> both of these that debate does seem like it's gonna be a starting gun of surridge just for the more traditional campaign where you do have candidates in different parts of the country putting their message out there to voters that you have not seen that kind of split screen yet. i don't think we're you have them both in swing states doing

their thing. >> novel con, side before we go, there's been, we've seen the stream of republican supporters kinda making their way up to the new york courthouse because they care mostly though, because they want to be the vice president. what don't one of those potential vice presidential candidates was asked about what the verdict would say by dana bash less do you have faith that the jury is going to deliver a fair verdict well, there's no crimes via assume that they will actually find him innocent. the only person guilty in that courtroom, as de a brag, but just to be clear, you have faith in the jury system and in particular again, these 12 ordinary americans who are going to ultimately decide i know that 96% is the number i've heard of the number of democrats in that area of manhattan. >> so i hope that they come to the right the decision you have a pre bottle of sorts there, but also maybe how republicans

will frame if trump actually is convicted here that's right, because this is playing out in real time. there are waiting to see how trump and his team is going to respond to this. but it is no doubt that there is a lot of implications and consequences of what can come out of this especially when you come to congress and what they're trying to do republicans in particular. and so you have trump's support base almost playing it by ear, being very cautious of what they say at this point in time, because there are direct implications of what could happen and the fact that he's running for reelection and you're hearing from these voters who are also tuning in and trying to decide for themselves whether this is going to change there point there, their frame, how they believe that they're going to put their support behind trump or biden less is something that they're just trying to play really cautiously as they wait for the final brick to come out. yeah. >> i mean, novel concept, we don't know what's going to happen next and be aware of that. >> that's okay. >> what up next? donald trump is food and heckled while trying to speak to the libertarian party convention. >> was it a sign of strength? he's actually willing to speak to an unfriendly crowd or did this camp and just not really

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destroy our once-great country. he goes on to attack two judges overseeing his trials and the woman who says he's sexually assaulted her my panel is back with me now. look, i get it they're like happy whatever to haters and losers is kind of his shtick, but like come on man it should people care. like socks to be candid? >> i think it, but it follows a pattern and he hasn't really received a lot of consequences for this kind of talk in the past and that that is something that's targeted just at those who like donald trump were not trying to wait any hearts and minds. that particular would call them truth. >> but what we were just talking about, which was whether or not he's going to be able to win over those independence. whether or not he's going to be able to win over some moderate republicans that he lost in 2020 and states like arizona that went to biden voters. i spoke to their who had been lifelong republicans. is he going to be able to win them over if he's constantly, you know, on a day that is supposed to remember veterans attack other law enforcement

and that's something that the biden campaign is going to be using examples of in the past when he's attacked veterans in the past, when he said that he only likes soldiers, that at when tracks and they're going to use that to appeal to those independent nikki haley tidy. >> i have wondered and i don't know the answer to this, but if just being on truth social has actually somewhat helped donald trump because not everyone is being exposed to this constant delusion of negativity. i mean, one of the things i met someone in iowa during the caucuses who told me that they believed that the election was stolen and i was like hear me out, what if the election wasn't stolen, but that everybody including you, who is a trump supporter, we're just really exhausted by the constant drinking from a firehose because the people felt so people didn't actually show up to vote, including you who told me that you didn't show up to vote? >> it was yeah. well, we were all really tired and i wonder if being on truth social in this kind of silo, where it's not public, where it's only public if someone helps post

it, not having this constant inundation has actually somehow helped donald trump because people don't feel so exhausted i've seen it all the time. >> i think it's an under appreciated dynamic and one to your point, like the biden campaign, i remember talking vividly, remember talking to somebody in the white house early on in their the first term where they were like man, we kinda wish trump was back on twitter because it was easier to show these things moving on to the kind of things that really matter with trump right now, not the inability to separate two posts. du just make them loyal they post and then go ahead on your r& he was booed at the libertarian convention. >> i think we have some of the, let's play some of the sound we want libertarian votes because you stand for what we stand for. >> if we unite, we are unstoppable i will be a true friend to libertarians in the white house the libertarian party should nominate trump for president of the united states now because we're talking about social media, we should be very clear trump did post on truth social that while he didn't

file the paperwork to become the libertarian canada, he absolutely would have gotten it if he wanted it, which didn't seem true based on the crowd response. >> what did you make it? it doesn't matter i mean, it does especially when he's going out trying to talk to us particular group of people, libertarians, when he's gone to even speak at different events like you had a few months ago when he tried to speak for it to black voters and saying, hey, this is why you should vote for me. >> i think this is just a very messaging of where he is a taylor at more and there is that question of what can you do for me? what is that vote if i cast their for you, what am i going to get returned and you see that reception not as warm as he anticipated when if you gone to trump rally where he almost fees off of the cheering, the almost like that, that really boast his confidence that really sets them apart where he goes and goes into his talking points. so you see that this is not the reception that he's used to getting when he's out on the campaign trail at his rallies where he's no, he's surrounded by supporters. i think he also has pick parents there had everything to do with someone else's appearance there, which is rfk junior, who they have

increasingly gone after, and the trump campaign, and who they see. >> you know, this is someone that could cut into trump's margins because the people if you're trump supporter and you're mad about the lockdowns, you're mad about what happened during covid and you like vaccine, the vaccine did you like the anti-vaccine message that you're caring for the kennedy campaign you're following trump's campaign. you got to be a little bit worried about that, which is why he's calling him, you a leftist lunatic and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, to the i think it's clearly one element of it, but throughout, as they've kinda wandered up to this, i think they knew what was going to happen when trump went there. and by they i mean, the lacivita and susie wiles brain meld they also don't numbers. and in 2016, gary johnson, who was a libertarian candidate, took 3% of the vote in a state that i think hillary clinton won by less than 3%. those are numbers, those are votes that matters that driving this. >> i think that again, they didn't know they were walking into and at the end of his speech was 30 minutes. i mean, have you ever seen donald trump's speak for 30 minutes latin ind, and then over that,

if he's having a good time, the 30 minutes in and out someone point he was tackling them. the concern with rfk is exactly what you're mentioning. yes. there they've seen polling, they've seen all sampling error now says that this might syphon votes away from biden but when, i talked to his senior advisers, there's a real belief that they have absolutely no idea that they don't know where these boats are going to come from, that they don't know that this isn't going to hurt donald trump. >> and so getting him in front of people, as many people as he can, which are in this world that could help him even if wic just a little bit as they try to navigate this kind of rf and even depression zero point on this. what the trump and i've talked to a lot of biden campaign advisers on this topic, is that they're not just getting after groups that historically have gone out and casa a vote. they're trying to target voters who have back in the de, they, they, they didn't vote that in the last 2020 election cycle that they didn't go and catheter about. they're trying to target those was voters and try to see how can they get them to mobilize and go out to the ballot time this time around. and that when we're talking about the slim

margin that they they think that is going to meet between trump and biden. they're really trying to go after those voters, the ones that haven't historically voted in the past, but they're really trying to not all in the middle. it's people that can fall on either side, but haven't i been identify because that's exactly what the trump people are doing. they're looking for. i mean, on the trump side, looking for low propensity voters who have historically in the past voted democrat, but they believe now are more right-leaning. they don't know that they'll show up, but they're trying to get out there and to these communities to try to drive them out to vote. because if you you look at the way that the table is set right now, if the election is going to be determined, it's just going to be terman by these people in the middle. so now you're seeing them go outside to these outside areas to try to bring in new voters its effects fascinating, like shadow boxing match going on with low propensity voters, but you need an operation to actually deliver a chase program. and that's where i'm not totally sure with the trump campaign is we got a lot more to come on that in many other things. we're gonna be breaking down everything you need to know about the trump hush money trial as the jury prepares to begin deliberations. that's next the nba playoffs.

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>> now for father's day and get free shipping anywhere why this is cnn, the world's news network tomorrow could be the most important day yet of the trump hush money trial make or break closing arguments began in the morning and are expected to wrap up by the end of the day. so when will jury deliberations began and when could we get the verdict? cnn's kaitlan points is going to give me exact unequivocal answers to both of the she's going to tell us how this legal trump has actually all going to play out given what should people know going into this week. >> well fell tomorrow is going

to be a day of storytelling and persuasion in the courthouse in manhattan. that's because the defense team of donald trump and then the prosecutors are going to be giving their closing summations of the case here. so the defense will speak first, but the prosecutors, they're the ones that are going to have to put everything together that they have laid out over this seven week trial before the jury, they're going to be talking about all when he witnesses, they called to testify. they're going to be trying to convince the jury that donald trump is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, knew that when payments were made to stormy daniels to keep her quiet in 2016, by his attorney, michael cohen, that that was something trump wanted to do because he wanted to keep it quiet. he knew that he was making false statements in 34 different types of records, checks, invoices, and his motivation was related to protecting his campaign. the defense is going to say don't listen to what michael cohen said on the stand. he's not a very credible guy. and also the

prosecutors didn't have enough evidence there to put this all altogether, then the jury will get to think about that for as long as it takes, they will deliberate after receiving some instruction from the judge on the law and exactly the standards that are in place here for these charges. it's a very big, pivotal week ahead and we just don't know yet when the trial will end. >> their caitlin well, i've got your lest we forget get that there are three other criminal issues that the former president is dealing with in florida. prosecutors want another gag order on the former president. what's cool about this is a situation that's escalated very quickly in this case in florida, the classified documents case, there were some filings that came out in court last week, phil, and they were very every procedural documents of the fbi's plan for the search of mar-a-lago in august of 2022, donald trump looked at one of those procedures on how the fbi may be allowed to use force against people in a in an execution of a warrant if the

need arises and when it is limited but the procedures are he made that into a situation where he was saying he nearly escaped death that caused a lot of blowback of the prosecutors have gone to the judge and say this is a really risky situation to have donald trump out there saying this misleading thing. and that this is the sort of statement publicly that could cause a lot of harassment and threats and really risk both the trial itself and the livelihoods of law enforcement who were involved in that search. they want a gag order. it's the first time this has been asked of judge aileen cannon to consider something like this for trump. he has gag orders on him. in other cases we're waiting to see how the judge responds here and how quickly she does so as well, fill. >> all right. kaelyn pulling that's for us and help us give some perspective on the hush money trial and what to expect this week. and judge mug shots courtroom. we have former federal prosecutor, gene rossi and criminal defense attorney ron kirby genome to start with

you. when you look at what's coming in terms of the closing arguments and summations that are ahead. what do you think will be most critical for the prosecution okay. every closer you didn't, ron probably could talk about this every close he is, your final mosaic and it's not really a painting, it's tiles, but i call it a painting and what you want to remind the jury is, remember what we said in our opening and remember what the burden we embraced were now here to say, we met our burden. here's what i would focus on. circumstantial evidence if they rely on michael cohen's credibility, or michael cohen period, they're going to lose the case. >> they have to use michael coleman is sort of affirmation of what the circumstantial evidence entails. >> and it's very simple. >> they wanted a catch and kill of karen mcdougal and a specifically stormy daniel's and that was going to destroy their campaign if it came out

stormy daniels, they have to connect those false invoices to that act of catching and killing. >> the stormy daniels story. i represented keith davidson, hurled attorney. so i'm very familiar with the timeline from october 24, to october 28. it's actually very devastating. the calls, the texts, and all that. so they have to remind the jury that yes. michael cohen was important, but we could prove our case or coming we're close, if you will without him because of circumstantial evidence and common sense. last thing i want to say is this, the defense did not have to put on a case they did not. >> but that they did and they ended with a categorically horrible witness, mr. costello, that corroborated michael cohen that was very bad for the defense, and i would remind them of that in my rebuttal. not in my initial closing you

know to that point ron, if you're the defense, if you're todd blanche and his team, how are you approaching tomorrow ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard the prosecution talk about timelines and this witness and that witness let's go right to the heart of the case. >> pretend you're getting surgery. surgery will decide your life for your death it's crucially important to you and you're lying there in the operating room the cold the lights, the people all around you, and you look up at the surgeon who will soon have your life in his hands and he pulls down his mask. >> and it's michael come do you just breathe a deep sigh of relief and allow yourself could be put on under or do you jump off that table, rip out that iv, and go running like hell out of that operating room because if you do, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that is a reasonable doubt i have six

more questions here. i want to ask you guys. >> could i can ask and geno to that point? >> i never ribbon. >> i know that's what i wanted to ask is everybody is my guests for the failures around me and everyone stopped, froze. and listen to exactly what your defense counterpart was laying out. >> how do you top that? >> easy nefise jury. >> this is reported all i'm saying the beginning. mr. kirby, eloquently put on a closing argument. but here's the problem with his argument who hit that certain for ten years? who chose michael cohen? never says uri when we have a conspiracy, we don't get to pick angels, nuns, priests, rabbis. >> we picked a people whom the defendant picked and he chose michael cohen to do the surgery on his stormy daniels deal. >> he chose michael cohen to do that. he locked the fake bank loan. he chose to give docx michael cohen hand-deliver in

the oval office two $35,000 checks were not here because of our choice we're here because of donald trump's choice that is beyond a reasonable doubt. >> go ahead, ron. >> all right the can i went? we're going to cheat and let them have a rebuttal here. >> the rebuttal is, you know, i don't get one which has just as well because that's where the prosecution always lands. >> and they call the worst people mafia killer, father, daughter, rapist murderers to testify. >> and those people are believed because their testimony is corroborated but trump's defense team isn't speaking to 12 jurors plus alternates. they're speaking to one person and that's donald trump, which is a very bad way to run a case. i'm very clear with my clients at the outset.

look, i don't tell you how to commit armed robbery john, tell me how to try your case. everybody should play to their strengths here, but we have seen the defense team make decisions over and over again that can only be explained by a desire to appeal to donald trump's vanity. and that's, i think carola said best, we only have about 30 seconds. so this is just a one word answer from each of you. if that's remotely possible i understand if it's not gene based on the case you've seen the prosecution layout over the course of the last month. do you think they made it? >> i think there's a 70% chance of a conviction on several counts. but there's a fair 30% chance of a hung jury i don't know what ron feels about this. i don't know if they're going to get an acquittal, but there's a 30, 25 to 30% chance of hunger jury in this case. i do believe that rot the prosecution proved

everything that they said they were going to prove with remarkably few hiccups. if you have a long crazy juror who walks into a deliberations wearing a tin foil hat then you're going to end up with in miss trial and that's always a possibility. >> that's the beauty of the system. guys. thank you very much. that was really great coming up the biden economy with the inflate, with inflation, the inflation rate falling. why does so many voters, they prices are still too high. well, there's actually a reason for that. we're going to tell you what it is after the break tomorrow. >> the evidence is in the testimony has ended, but it's not over yet before the jury gets the final say. prosecutors and trump's defense team get the final word, live coverage of closing arguments in the trump hush money trial tomorrow at nine eastern at morgan stanley old old-school hard work meets ball new thinking to help you see untapped possibilities. and relentlessly

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numbers, but panel is back with me right now. if i had $1 for every time somebody said binary choice to me, i would be very wealthy individual, right now, probably more so in the months ahead the theory of the case that you heard from the biden team, which by the way, they still very much believe that once people's kind of zone in on this, they will recognize what the reality is, and that will help biden is it going to happen? >> i think there's just so many factors that need to fall into place or that need that, that are out there as questions for that to happen. i you can't underestimate the impact of the economy. i'm not talking about gdp, i'm talking about personal economy. whether if you have enough money at the end of the day to pay bills and to feed your family and if you can if you can then you think the economy's okay. if you don't, you don't and there's a lot of people right now in the don't position and that i think that is going to have a huge impact on this race. and whether that improves laura.

>> i want to bring up this chart for us access. have this. it's a really good demonstration. i think when you listen to economists talk about the us economy right now, there is no question. it is the best economy in the world amongst developed nation since the recovery has been not only, i think without much precedent, but it's also remained robust much longer than anybody projected. however, when you look at the changing cpi or the consumer price index, inflation basically the kind of how normal people feel it, which is that the cumulative inflation effect versus annualized inflation, which is how it's kinda gauged. annualized inflation so get 3.4% of the nine, just a couple of years ago, a clear trajectory downward over that period of time 19.3% in an a cumulative basis, which is what people are saying it's why the prices are just higher than they were in 2019. that to me seems to be more important to an actual voter. then, hey, in these charts you see it's going down and you may not feel it. but in this sector it is. >> yeah. i mean, even though prices comparatively to what, two years ago appear to be down, you're right, that

overall, they americans feel as though it's still is hard to bile all the goods that they want to buy to own a house that they may want to own. they're looking at whether or not interest rates are going to get cut or not and so the biden campaign is trying to make this argument that look at these other things that i've done to help your pocket book, whether it's caffeine insulin for seniors at $35 whether it's making it medicare an ability for medicare to negotiate drug prices, which isn't totally felt yet and some may not be fully felt until 2025. so, but all those things that they're trying to say, look at what we did to get out of the pandemic, i will say though that it's just also striking when you look at all those poles of voters who say that they in swing states who say that they believe their personal finances are actually better, even though they think that the national economy is bad. so there is a disconnect right now where some voters are feeling as though their personal ability to leave life, they want to live is good and the

biden campaign is struggling to make them connect the dots with well, if you feel that way, then why wouldn't you want to vote for president but i think part of that too, is the messaging aspect of it. i mean, biden going on a podium and saying, hey, look of what our administration has done. yes, that can galvanize and that can speak to some voters. but it really means who else is talking to their friends talking about it our congresspeople that are going going to their constituents and talking about what biden has done even on the democratic base. that is really going to speak volumes is getting your friends is getting your families to really understand and connect the dots and really make it clear of what biden has done in the last four years and how their lives have improved, but it's the daily costs that they feel on a daily basis, but it's really going to be the messaging and who who's communicating those messages about the economy and what the administration has done. that's really going to be key to this campaign with the 3d took trump, folks, is that there'll be like, i know they've got a 20 point advantage on immigration. i know where they stand on just about every issue with the exception of maybe climate change and abortion in terms of a head-to-head matchup. but

when they look kind of in their very candid with you, are they saying its economy no, i actually do believe that they think that immigration will play a role that crime will play a role that obviously one of the things that they do is really kind of bang their drums on, linking immigration to crime i do think the economy is critical and i will say that i know what the polls say about people saying that they are better off, that they feel better off. but nationally, i don't think so as well. but when i'm out these rallies and talking to people person after person after person tells me that they wish that groceries were cheaper, that they wish that gas was cheaper, that they feel like their lives were better. and i know again, that these polls are showing that people, some people in the swing states are feeling like their personal economics are better, but the people i'm talking to, you don't feel that way and they really feel like they would rather be in a position that they were in when they thought that they could afford groceries and they thought that they could afford the gas and they thought that they could afford to buy a house, maybe not right then, but one day. >> and that complex very much

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seen. it's kept. attack his life for us at the white house and kevin, short while ago present biden wrapped up his memorial day remarks. what was his message? >> yeah, certainly this is a solemn day for any american president standing there in front of the tomb known soldier among the graves at arlington national cemetery. you can really sense that the president will feel the weight of that job on their shoulders and the president reminded us in his speech speech that we're only about a week and a half away from the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden will be in northern france next week, honoring the thousands of us and allied troops who died as part of the normandy landings, all in the goal of protecting democracy. and of course that has been in all consuming theme of president biden presidency protecting democracy particularly in this election year and you hurt him in his remarks at the memorial amphitheater talking about troops as this chain of commitment, not just to a president, not to a place, but to an idea. this idea of the united states and what it

represents in terms of democracy, listen to what he said freedom has never been guaranteed. >> every generation has to earn it fight for defendant in battle between autocracy and democracy between the grid are a few the rights of many it matters our democracy is more than justice system of government. it's a very soul of america so a resident message on an election year memorial day, particularly just given the fraught international situation that the president finds himself in confronting two who grinding wars in ukraine and gaza. >> of course, the president has committed to not deploying american troops to those battlefield. he just recently reemphasize that commitment, but that doesn't mean that the us hasn't been pulled. it into the fray. certainly the risks to us troops have been laid bare. it was only in february that the president traveled to dover air force base to be with

grieving families as their loved ones remains were returned after being killed in a drone strike in jordan's so certainly that day and memorial day, a searing reminder to the president of the consequences of his decisions and the weight of this job, phil yeah, certainly kept elliptic at the white house for us. thank you. and finally, a word on today, this isn't some aggressively political monologue, i promise. just a simple request. please take the time to recognize what and who this day represents. i asked because the bonds between those who serve in their families, in the rest of america, they are smaller than ever before i ask, because those who lost fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, and combat or after they came home. real reason for this day they feel that they see it for those families. goldstar families today is about men and women willing to give everything. so you could focus on your cook out so your travel logistics, it's not a celebration of the start of summer when instead of somber remembrance of service in los and it's not just a today

thing that is an everyday thing. it's an everyday thing for the family of colonel thomas o'day who was killed in vietnam on christmas day in 1968. you can see his headstone in arlington national cemetery right there. the flowers as they are every memorial day place there by his daughter, placed there by my mom thank you for joining inside politics, cnn news central starts right after the break. have a wonderful day in one of the most active 22 seasons. >> you can't control a tornado. >> what? kinds of interventions can we design go inside the store? >> the premier of violent earth with liam schreiber, sunday had nine on cnn my husband and i own a growing beverage company. we rely on e-commerce and digital tools to build our business and launch new products. thanks to american investments in ai, we're using this technology to run our business more efficiently.

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