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988 and press one for the veteran in this crisis hotline is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and there are folks their eagerly waiting to offer help. thank you so much for watching the lead with jake tapper starts, right? now. >> closing in on closing arguments, the lead starts right now we're less than 24 hours away from the prosecution and the defense making their final pitches to the jury in donald trump's hush money cover-up trial, how strong is the case going into? this final phase? a panel of legal experts and a former new york judge will join the li plus a tragic mistake. that's what israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu he's calling the military strike on a refugee camp in gout and rafah, gaza authorities saying it killed dozens, israel insisting its forces, we're going after hamas leaders killer tornadoes at least 21 people dead after devastating storms tore across the central us over the holiday weekend. that's severe weather.
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now, heading east may disrupt your plans to get home welcome to lead. >> i'm phil mattingly in for jake tapper today in less than 24 hours jury will hear closing arguments in the unprecedented first ever criminal trial of a former president prosecutors will try to weave together weeks testimony and evidence to convince the jury that donald trump is guilty of falsifying business records with the intent of influencing the 2016 election now much of their case hinges on the testimony of michael cohen, donald trump's former lawyer and fixer who testified on the stand for hours and whose credibility was repeatedly called into question by the defense. jurors have been away since tuesday and after this memorial day break, they'll likely begin deliberating the fate of the former president on wednesday already some members of the public are lining up. you can see him there camping out in the hopes of getting a spot inside the court to witness the final phase of this historic case cnn's kara scannell has been inside the courtroom for
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weeks and weeks and weeks throughout this trial, she takes a look at what both the prosecution and the defense must do tomorrow for successful closing arguments. >> we made it. remember reflect donald trump watching nascar in north carolina. this weekend while his hush money trial approaches the final lap in new york you believe so? >> i think by a lot trump's lawyers and prosecutors will square off trying to win over the jury of seven men and five women. prosecutors called 20 witnesses over five weeks and in their closing arguments, they're expected to tie testimony together with a paper trail of text messages, phone calls, and the records at the center of the case. the 11 invoices so seeking payment pursuant to a retainer agreement doesn't vouchers and 11 checks. most signed by trump i think we have the case was
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there is no during the trial, the jury heard from former members of trump's inner circle, the publisher of the national enquirer, david pecker, campaign aide, hope hicks. and it was former fixer and personal attorney, michael cohen, who is the only witness to directly tied trump to the cover up. trump's attorneys are up first and closings and are expected to attack cohen's credibility, arguing to the jury that they cannot find trump guilty based on the testimony of a convicted liar michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> cohen was on the witness stand for five days telling the jury, trump called adult film actress stormy daniels story a disaster for his campaign and directed cohen to take care of it. cohen testifying he spoke with trump twice to get his approval just before wiring the $130,000 payment to daniels attorney to block her story of an alleged affair with trump from becoming public to influence and so 2016 election, trump denies the affair.
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>> i can tell you how many times he said to me, you know, i hate the fact that we did it and my comment to him was, but every person that you've spoken to told you it was the right move? >> he told the jury that trump signed off on the repayment scheme in a meeting at trump tower with former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg, cohen walked the jury through the 34 allegedly falsified five documents testifying there was no retainer agreement. the money was payback for the daniels deal. >> there's $35,000 check was one of 11 check installments that was paid throughout the year while he was president, the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. >> trump attorney todd blanche has used cohen's own words to bolster their defense that cohen would say anything to
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take trump down and is out for revenge are truly and hope that this man ends up in prison that closing arguments are expected to go all day tomorrow and then on wednesday, the judge expects to instruct the jury on the law. >> that is what the prosecution needs to prove for the jury to come up with a verdict of guilty. now, fill these deliberations will begin around after and they will go for as long as is needed. in this case until this jury reaches a verdict. and whatever it is, it will be historic in this donald trump being the first former american president facing trial. >> and we know you'll be there every step of the way. a kara scannell, thanks so much. let's discuss now with our legal experts, shan wu, brandy harden thank krish kadoorie, brandy, i want to start with you when we talk about closing arguments summations, what are we expecting? what does each shy trying to get out of their last real shot in front of jury. >> that's just what it is you're last real shot to convince the jury that what you're arguing is correct, that your sayyed is actually the right side. and so closing arguments should take all of the things that have happened
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throughout the trial and tie them up in a nice, neat theory of the case that explains this is why my side of the case is correct. >> it's real quick because i got to let questions to get to. but can you win or lose a case and a closing? >> you could. >> but ultimately the science really says that jurors have made up their mind by opening statements. and so as the evidence trucks along, it's very unlikely that you're really going to win or lose at this point, people have probably made up their minds by now. >> you wrote for the daily beast, quote, the prosecution has an abundance of actual evidence versus personal attacks using its closing. but the evidence must be carefully woven into a simple tale. the jury understands that the jury understand something along leinz, have trump tried to cover up his payments to cover up his sexual encounter because he worried the publicity might hurt his election chances. now, even if the prosecution keeps it simple, like that, can the defense still salvage the case because of the number one player involved in this, michael cohen. >> i think they can, but i don't think they can salvage it. just by repeating the sort of personal insults and the tax line cohen they. need the zero
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in on something that might be weaker. for example, the knowledge that trump had of the way the entries are actually being falsified. >> cohen can't give that much specifics on that because trump theoretically, it was careful not to give the specific so they can focus on things like that and maybe build the exaggeration into that. >> but i think if they just come out with the he's a liar, worst liar ever. it's just like a gift to the prosecution because they can always go over and point to trump and say, lay, if you don't like cohen, look who hired him? >> which is a fair point it has been pointed out outside of the courtroom you've been somebody that i've been religiously reading throughout the course of this trial. >> you write, it appears that the odds of trump being convicted are fairly good, but not overwhelming the likelihood of what appears slim at best. >> yet there's a very real chance that when one or more of the jurors will refused to convict, the jury will hang, resulting in a mistrial defective victory for trump. >> i want tease that out a little bit. what what's what have you seen that kind of makes you identify those three things, kinda been likelihood of them. will look the
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government and state in this case, always has an advantage coming into a case. >> they usually get convictions the fact that i've rated it as like slightly more likely than not as actually lower than it should be under the circumstances. i think an acquittal because it would require 12 people unanimously on all counts to conclude that he's not guilty, seems to me highly unlikely the scenario in which the jury hangs because one or more people refuses to convict trump i think is at least within the realm of possibility, given michael cohen's testimony and centrality, the case, i completely agree with shan. it's not enough just to say he's a liar. but i mean, i think there are a few steps to the argument. one is that he's a serial unrepentant liar. he lies four trump. it also lives for himself. he lied on the stan probably at least up the defense and hizon essential witness here. you know why? because no sane prosecutor in their right mind would call michael cohen in their case unless they absolutely had to and i think as karen indicated, right. if you sort of build all those pieces up, then you say, look, you cannot convict donald trump testimony of someone who
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was a serial liar may have lied to you on the stand. if that's your conclusion, you have to vote not guilty to that point. then why not leave it at michael cohen, right? why did they have to bring on mr. costello? towards the very end, the defense team where i think everybody by the end of it and i'm by no means a legal expert was sitting they got what they didn't seem great. >> yeah. i think that's right. so a lot of times when you have a case, one you're doing what your client wants you to do. so that's the first answer, but oftentimes you think that you have to meet the government's force of evidence and say you think, look, i have to call certain witnesses because certainly we've had an opportunity to destroy michael cohen's credibility. but what about our case? and certainly the client is like, well, what about our case? and i think it's hard sometimes to know you are ahead leave these things alone and i think the defense probably did too much once they called costello, but i will say i do think that when people say it looks slim, he might be, he might be found guilty, but there's a chance he might be acquitted. that just means there's reasonable
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doubt. he should be acquitted. >> the idea i think randy was getting at there there's been a lot of debate over this is the lawyers going after their best legal case and this is the lawyers trying to pacify their client and how much of which is what they're doing. >> can you see that like as somebody who works in this business, when you watch his lawyers, when you watch todd blanche, or you listened to see the feeds, i guess since we don't have cameras in the courtroom can you tell what's part of the case they really wanted to actually bring here and what's defend here and watch part of it is they're just trying to come donald trump down. it's a little hard to tell. i mean, i can apply my own kind of strategy, thinking it really strikes me as they've done a lot of performing for trump. i mean, not to mention because sole issue. but the entire cross-examination of stormy the annual seen altogether unnecessary, much less the way they're trying to shame where it really did not do themselves in any favors at all doing that. possibly to me, even castello. i mean, trump really wanted someone to come and hit hard to me at michael cohen. so they put on castello. so i think a lot of this has been trying to perform for trump. their only real to me,
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the only real strategy is to pick at this notion of did trump specifically say words to direct the falsification? because if they can knock down the falsification, the whole house crumbles, but i don't know that they've really focused on that i do want to switch gears real quick because as people might remember, there are actually four major legal cases. the former president was dealing with right now. and there were some news on one down in florida, it's the classified documents case, especially the counsel's office, seeking a gag order after trump repeatedly criticized the fbi for having a policy in place around the use of deadly force during the search of government records at his resort in august of 2022. it's important to note and again and again and again, the policy itself, the standard protocol for fbi searches and same policy was used in searches of president joe biden's homes i'm wondering, what does it do you think that the gag order will be put into place by the judge, aileen cannon. what does that tell you about what's been going on down there well i don't know if it will be put into place. >> i do think it should be put into place, but of course, you, aileen cannon has had a record
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of ruling in trump's favor at least on the closer questions where she she has the opportunity to. and i think what does it tell us? it tells us that the prosecutors just like the prosecutors in new york and the judge in new york and everyone who gets caught up in trump's legal precedent greetings and if an extent that our adversaries, they're fed up with all of his can use profanity, but they're fed up with all of his of his language. and the way he uses his his his power to try to disrupt these proceedings through his supporters in through lives to his supporters. i mean, this isn't even the first time he's lied about this case. israeli remember when the search occurred, there was a whole series of lies about why the search at mar-a-lago had occurred, whether it was like an a surprise, which it wasn't and he just continuing the same thing. so i do not blame any of these prosecutors for trying through the ordinary legal channels. two restrain his speech to the extent it's endangering things. yeah. and also, it's based on nothing.
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it's based on what is normal par for the course for how these things work. and he made it up into some type of hit list that it's a lie. he's lying to you. that's absolutely leinz to you. all right. thank you all very much. i appreciate your time. your expertise, which i don't have pleasure to have you sharing it. be sure, of course, a join for special coverage at cnet of closing arguments in the trump hush money cover-up trial. jake tapper anderson cooper will lead that coverage begins tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. eastern. so how big of an impact will the judge had in this final phase of the trump trial, speak to retire judge about that coming up next and millions of people remain under severe weather threat after deadly storms that hit the central us. now, head towards the east coast are going to take a look at why the month of may has been particularly dangerous. they with us violin earth with we have freiburg premiere sunday at nine on cnn deliveries happened order that this happens. socks that happens, we get out of their
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sunday, making it the busiest severe weather day of the year in texas. >> seven people were killed when a tornado ripped through this subdivision near the small city of valley view benito esparza erased here saturday night to help his brother's family the family was inside their home and the tornado packing 135 mile per hour winds, catapulted them more than 100 yards away. >> he says he's really tried to control his emotions. his brothers survive but his sister-in-law, laura, and their two children, miranda and marco, were killed. this is the remnants of his brothers family's home. >> this is where they ended up in his brother was leftover in this debris over here his sister-in-law, three of them, were already dead. and he took his brother, loaded him up into his truck and drove him out of this neighborhood to get him to the hospital in arkansas, eight people were killed by the violent storms in the town of rodgers, tony and land and roberts grabbed their two children and raced for cover as
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a tornado took aim at their home hi to make it to the hallway. that's the most central part of our house, and that's when we realized we didn't have a roof. there was water and debris coming through the attic fan. the common theme of all these storms from texas to kentucky is the near brushes with death and injury. >> residents escaping with harrowing stories of survival. >> name a wife and our four month old, we happen to tab and it just sound like a train all of a sudden, my husband screamed, run and we grabbed the dog and ran down to the basement. but before that, i saw the water swirling around and hitting our window right in there back in valley view, texas. frank garcia's father built this cinderblock storm shelter by hand. they ran inside as the tornado approached. >> and you could feel the tornado hit and then out of nowhere, you just hear the wind started wailing. are all right in at that point, we knew we knew that we were going to have some damage. i mean, for sure,
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but i don't think i realized the whole magnet the 2d of everything until you started walking. now through terrifying, definitely going to leave a scar in this town for for a bit when they saw the shattered remnants of the their home after the storm, they knew the shelter saved their lives and write down american red cross officials say the biggest need fill is temporary housing and clothing, but the cleanup process begins. and here in this neighborhood near valley view, texas this is what so many homes ended up looking like. and as this cleanup process has continued, what we've seen simply is people bringing in small bulldozers and creating burn piles. and this is what is left of all the debris and many get people's personal belongings fill 11 dara. thank you for that important reporting. let's turn now to meteorologist chad myers and the scene and weather center ced the severe weather threat has moved east storm chances in major metropolitan areas like new york, dc
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philadelphia, what does that mean? >> it means that more people are, are in the way. now we're probably not in the way of big storms like ed was just showing us. i mean, there was an ef-3 is out there all weekend long. they were big tornadoes. we're not talking just little garden variety water spout looking things are like dust devils. these were large tornadoes in the plains, but today there's still a possibility of something to spin but the biggest threat i think that people today, phil will be lightening. there's a lot of lightning out there and people are outside cooking a hot dog or whatever you're doing if you're at a pavilion somewhere to state park, make sure you have a place of shelter to get to when the lightning gets to you? even down here across now, parts of north carolina lighting up here, this weather will eventually get up toward hampton roads and all the way even to the low country there of virginia, the delmarva, we're going to see some still some significant rain and thunderstorms today, but not like we had. that doesn't reduce the threat. if you're under that threat because that is now a tornado watch that's an effective later on tonight, still two yellow severe
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thunderstorm watches and they are going until about eight or 9:00, depending on where you are. so yes, we will still have severe weather. yes, it will be less than yesterday, but that doesn't make it less if it hits you 460,000 people plus now still without power and it isn't going to end anytime soon. there's a lot of picking up to do so many end of line people where yes, you put up one line and you get 50 people back, but all of those people that have all those power lines is one, twos, threes, and fours into neighborhoods after 50 he, eight tornado reports over the weekend, fill. it was a violent weekend. it calms down a little bit today warms up again tomorrow in texas, and then maybe two or three days to take a breather. i've been watching so many storm chasers. i think every single storm chaser out there needs a new windshield and people out there named need to homes because this was a devastating couple of days. yeah. no question about that. chad myers, than whether center thanks so much. well, israeli,
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back control with lipo flavanoid i melies nonna in washington. and this is cnn in our world lead quote, a tragic mistake. that is what israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is now calling an airstrike sunday on a camp for displaced palestinians in rafah gaza strike killed at least 25 people and injured roughly 200 others. the idf is investigating the strike which it claims killed two senior hamas officials it comes just days after the international court of justice ordered israel
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to stop its offensive in rafah, cnn's jeremy diamond brings us this report and a warning to our viewers. it contains graphic video it's very difficult to watch their blood curling screams tell the story of the unfolding horror more than words ever could. >> but it is only as bodies are pulled out of the inferno that the scale of this attack becomes clear at least 45 people were killed after an israeli airstrike targeted this camp for displaced palestinians in western rafah, according to the palestinian ministry of health plastic tarps engulfed in flames sheet metal walls crushed by the blast a block of makeshift shelters flattened in an instance the israeli military says the strike killed two senior hamas militants who commanded hamas is west bank operations yet seen robbie and khaled nagar in a rare move.
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>> the israeli military's top lawyer launching an investigation into the strike, saying civilian casualties had not been expected it was assessed that there would be no expected harm to uninvolved civilians. the idf regrets any harm to uninvolved civilians during combat mohammad abu, a takeaway is one of those civilians so badly burned that he cannot even open his eyes that there are so many more so many children arriving the pain and then there are the parents desperate to save babies whose cries have been silenced perhaps forever for those who survived whatever thin sense of safety they still had has now been completely shattered we were sitting and suddenly there was a big blast and fire.
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people started screaming, running says describing how they spent the whole night pulling charred bodies out of the embers while hundreds of thousands have fled eastern rafah after the military ordered it's evacuation many others like this man displaced from central gaza came here here to western rafah, told the area would be safe and then there are the mourners who look at debbie, jeff, the occupation army is a liar. >> there is no security in gaza says this man, whose brother was killed in the strike here he is with his wife. they were martyred. they are gone for one men of brother, for another, his sister because the only one he says she was the only one and she has gone and fill. >> this is not the first time that an israeli strike has killed dozens of civilians in gaza, but it is the first time that we have seen the kind of swift acknowledgements that's
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something when tragically wrong here from the israeli government with israeli prime minister calling this a tragic mistake, the israeli military committing to a full investigation speaks of course, to this moment that we are in with the israeli government increasingly alone on the international stage, increasingly facing international condemnation also of course from the united states that german, a moment of isolation or at least potential isolation also coming same day the egyptian military says security personnel was killed this shooting incident on the border with gaza. what more can you tell us about that yeah. >> this is not the first time that we have seen this kind of incident on the border between israel and gaza. but of course this is a very unique moment in a moment of extreme tension of bits between israel and egypt over this is really military offensive in rafah and according to the israeli military, there was a quote, unquote shooting incidents that they say is under review and that they are currently discussing with the egyptian government the egyptian government for its part only acknowledged that one member of
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its security personnel was killed, but provided no other details. we also don't know whether any israeli soldiers were injured in this incident. but again, a moment of tension, especially when you consider the fact that egypt of course, is a key mediator in those hostage and ceasefire negotiations fill tragic but incredibly important reporting. jeremy diamond, thank you. well, after all, that's been discussed about donald trump's trial, the most important words will come from the judge up next and former new york supreme court judge on how the instructions to the jury could dictate the verdict to combs, the right here tomorrow. the evidence is the testimony has ended, but it's not over yet before the jury gets the final say. >> prosecutors and trump's defense team the final word. live coverage of closing arguments in the trump hush money trial tomorrow at nine eastern loring bad cholesterol can be hard even with a statin diets, an extra besides add to the struggle. today, it's
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what major target of donald trump's attacks is the judge in this case? >> a key reason he's not protected under the gag order yet as we move into this final phase of the trial, judge, warmer shall plays an absolutely critical role here to help us understand the power of the bench. retired judge, leslie snider joins me now. judge, we appreciate you. your time. i want to start with the jury instructions. they're set before closing arguments. we don't have insight into the actual details, but help people understand how critical they will be to what the jury will be weighing here. >> well, they are absolutely critical, but let me start by saying, in order to explain that, that tomorrow is probably the most important de of the trial. and what i say that is because you can win your case. i'm closing argument. i've seen it done time and time again, and i think that the prosecution as a good chance doing that, but another point that has to be made is that in new york, the prosecution goes last, which is a tremendous, tremendous advantage because of
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the vessel like their points. but then the prosecution will not only be able to tell its tail which it must do. of course, succinctly the unclearly but it will also be able to rebut all of the defense points that it's able to the defense does not get to get up again. now, in terms of the judge's instructions, first of all, let me say this. every jury loves its judge. i've never heard of a case in which the jury wasn't basically enamored with the judge, even though some other people and other cases might find the judge to be very unappealing. but the jury feels that he's the lord and master. and i think he's done a great job. i might say, but anyway, here's instructions are known to both sides. so there'll be a whole batch of them that are quite standard like reasonable doubt. i mean, i could say that in my sleep now it's going to be defined as what it is and what it is not and you can be sure that one major part of the
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defense summation or closing argument will be argued reasonable doubt but they're also very specific charges in this case. >> we don't have the judges or at least i don't is written charge, so i don't know how he's defined a number of things, but his charge as to the meaning of knowledge, the meaning of intent our critical words in this case, and you can be sure that both sides will be trying to use those jury instructions to their advantage can i ask you for a minute? if i can interrupt you for a minute because that's an interesting thing that i don't think people understand how crafting their closing statements in the summations will hugh or at least try to hew closely into what the judge is charged, is expected to be that we haven't seen yet, but both sides have right? >> of course. >> yes, they have to have seen it. they have to know how he is going to define these key terms, such as intent and knowledge. in this case, the standard charges like reasonable doubt, presumption of innocence, even those can be
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very important because a reasonable doubt the prosecution will say is of course, only a day doubt based upon reason, and they will give a lot of reasons why there's no reasonable doubt. the defense job in every case is to point out that there's lots of fat and then claim that the doubts are reasonable, which they may or may not be but the judge's role is absolutely critical and the both sides really cannot make an intelligent closing argument without knowing those definitions and they will lead to them in and try to show and they may even say, which is a very good way to handle it as you'll hear from his honore, the judge, he will tell you that intent is defined as that knowledge is defined as that acting in concert and acts historian liability, for example, means you don't have to commit the act herself. trump doesn't have to commit the act himself. if he intended it, the head knowledge, whatever the exact definition
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he gives them, these are critical and they will be an integral part of each closing argument or summation. but as i said, just remember in new york, as in some states, but not many, the prosecution goes last, and that's a tremendous advantage. and i believe they can win their case if they give a clear coherent and interesting closing argument because the jury gets bored after a certain amount of time. >> yeah, they certainly haven't. number of threads the poll on when it comes to making an interesting closing argument. retired judge leslie excited. really appreciate your expertise. thanks so much. >> sure it coming up the pitfalls of campaign messaging, donald trump's latest pinch gotten some boos while president biden's campaign is getting less than stellar reviews from a well-known democratic strategists they rose when the competition is a nuclear competition, spying is extraordinarily important the
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back to rush to walmart, release your potential with 40 i'm kayla tausche at the white house and this is cnn or politics lead this weekend, libertarians rejected both robert f. kennedy jr. and former president donald trump as their presidential nominee. instead, they selected 38 year-old chase oliver, were previously run and loss to us senate race in georgia as their party's nominee. but donald trump and rfk junior did speak at the convention. trump was heckled and booed repeatedly during one of his shortest campaign speeches to date the libertarian. party, you should nominate drop four president of the united states only do that if you want to win. if you want to lose, don't do that keep getting your 3% every four years or political panelists here to weigh in on this are much more from michael
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singleton and megan. >> megan hayes, thanks, guys, both for being here. you're laughing pretty good. it was well here's my question about this. there was an unfriendly reception. yes the campaign is not done. they knew that that was going to happen to some degree. >> yeah. but i think they're also pretty keenly aware that if you peel off a little bit of the libertarian vote, that 3% that he mocks that matters in a race that's as close as this one is almost certainly going to be. >> it's very definitely matters. >> gallup has some data that came out a couple of months ago showcase that libertarians represent around 17 to 20% of the american electorate. you can pull off 4% of those voters in a place like georgia, arizona, wisconsin, where the margins are incredibly slim between the former president and the current president, that absolutely can make a difference. i will say this politician should show up in uncomfortable places. president biden should do the same. donald trump should do the same, go into places and talk to people who may be somewhat skeptical or hesitant about some of your positions. >> yeah. i mean, i everybody's laughing are giving me a hard time, but the booing i understand it was notable,
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doesn't need to win all of them the biden team, their strategy, getting some pretty raucous cheers from some longtime democratic strategist who did james carville who went after biden's campaign in a podcast yesterday to take a listen we keep wondering why these young people aren't coming home to the democrats, which it, or why, why black should not coming home to the democrats? >> because democratic message in his full of that's why and talk about cost of living and we're going to help deal with this and don't talk about golfer and student loans i think my primary question is how we decided what the belief and whatnot but it's strong criticism. what, what's your take on the criticism itself? not james carville or that his ilk in the party. yeah, absolutely. i mean, he's talking about people coming home. we still have five or six months before the election. so i think we need to give time for people to come home voting doesn't start until september, so they're still alive my time for folks that come home and
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for folks are really resonate the methods to really resonate with these people i do think that there is some truth to what he's saying, that it's not resonating with the folks that it needs to. and i think that the biden campaign that's why they're going into a debate were doing they doing some things that are gonna make a difference and hopefully get those people to come home. but i mean i also waste at some of the older statesman in the party would help him and not always be criticizing him because i don't think that's also hopefully yeah. >> there's a lot of that by the way i mean, to be fair trump used to have a lot of criticism a little bit lesser to that point. what's your sense through michael? it's interesting if you look at the last couple of weeks, all of the groups that make up the cornerstones of biden biden's base. >> younger voters, african american voters, women voters, particularly he and his campaign have been laser targeting kind of week by week by week without reach, with message, with principles actually on the ground, visiting. is it a matter is made they'll come home, there's time, or they have a real problem here. i mean, i think the expectation is that sum will come home, whether you're a democrat or republican, i think that's true historically speaking. >> but in electoral politics where it's getting closer and
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closer in terms of the margins. you really can leave any voter or any stone unturned if you we'll fill i think president biden and former president trump, they have to get out there and talk to as many voters as possible. >> and it's not enough to just talk about the issues and i've advised republicans on this. you always have to start rolling out some actual plans where people can connect a, b, and c, how those things are going want to improve their lot and plot in life. and if they can do that. but i think you can potentially win some people over to the policies both have a record here and it gets a fascinating about this rematch elections have a four-year record. it's not just words. tim scott was on with dana bash yesterday, was asked about kind of black and latino voters, the efforts of both campaigns are making different pending the trump campaign is reset under donald child, we were better off. >> there are two things that are driving black votes. fact that donald trump, jobs and justice number one, under donald trump are wages were going up, right now and fairness is going down. let's not forget the fact that joe biden is president who said, if
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you don't vote for me, you can't be bike and old white dude telling me i can't be black if i don't vote for him. this is the president who said that if the republican party wants to put you back in chains, the only person i've seen restraining black folks economically is a joe biden economy i mean, this fundamentally not true. that just not during those statements are taken largely out of context. i think that the receipts actually should matter here like unemployment, it's the lowest, it's ever been. there is student loans. he's forgiving the tons of student loans. there is junk fees, there's all these things that are helping disproportionate communities going into communities providing internet. and he's actually doing things for communities that are affected by these, by things like this. so i'm just he's just not being factual here, but again, he has to say what he needs to say. it'd be elected to be the vp candidate. so let's put that there there is a disconnect with voters of color and the state of the economy axios has some data that came out earlier this week that showcased only
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39% of black workers and 35% of hispanic workers, so that they feel okay economically, which means there's a larger percent that do not fill up okay. >> economically, people are worried about cost filling. and i think president biden has to address that. and even president trump, i'm not going to let the former president off here. he also has to address if he's given another shot for how are you going to turn the ship around for people? >> i just think that there's a little bit of a disconnect here. you can only do so much from the oval office and he's doing like president biden is doing a tremendous amount for the economy. he can't control what consumers are setting prices that i do think recognizing that people are hurting and how you're going to help them and acknowledge people are not in the best financial situation is really important too. but you can only do so much setting from the oval office and you're policies. so i just think that statements like that, but tim scott making are just i just think they're incendiary and divisive and he's just doing what he needs to do to be a contender for hvp, going to quickly assets section, really good conversation to have, but the biden campaign is often quietly and now, i think four
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actively voice that they wish the former president was out in the open a little bit more. they feel like people aren't paying as much as much of course, trump experience and the basis today's interesting day in that regard in terms of memorial day posts, where you had president biden marking memorial dan social media since america's founding, our service members have laid down their leinz for an idea, unlike any other, the idea the united states today is generation it's a few piero's line, eternal peace. >> we live by the light and liberty they kept burning may god bless them always. on truth, social, the former president posted happy memorial day to all including the human scum that is working so hard to destroy are greater the country into the radical left trump hating federal judge in new york that presided over get this to separate trials that awarded a woman who had never met before parenthetical a quick handshake at a celebrity event 25 years ago does not count. $91 million for defamation. if you're michael interesting contrast in an election that will be decided by contrast, it is, it's mega made a point. i'm not going to take your point. i'm a let her make her point, but i think if you can just be as normal as possible, that's the person is
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probably going to win this election. people who are tired of chaos into business yeah, i agree with that. >> i think the person who'd said release grap things out there, it's really going to win the election, but i also think this just goes to the contrast of who the president is versus the former president. >> it is a contract, my god, it's memorial day separate it. >> like just because you don't have a character limit so propose, we get thank you guys very much. >> degrees. your time is always up next to remember an nba legend taken by canceling in one. of the. most active tornado seasons. >> you can't control a what kinds of interventions can we design go inside the store? premiere of violent birth with liev schreiber sunday at nine on cnn rose sparks engineered for the spontaneous, a dual action formula with the active ingredients of viagra and sialic faster acting and long-lasting grad, the moment get started at row.com slash sparks. >> the future is not just going to happen you have to make it
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