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right 6:00 a.m. here in washington there's a live look at new york city on this pretty historic de, in that town, honestly, good morning, everyone. >> i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us 12 jurors soon to decide whether a former us president is a criminal closing arguments are set to begin this morning. donald trump's hush money trial. the jury could get the case by tomorrow after hearing instructions from the judge. cnn has learned that trump's lawyers and tend to focus once again on the credibility of michael cohen, who is the only witness whose testimony directly linked to the former president to a hush money payment made to adult film star stormy daniels and of course, to the alleged cover-up, trump as we've come to expect, trying to insist the whole proceeding is unfair posting this quote, why is the corporate government allowed to make the final argument in the case against me? why can't the

defense go last big advantage? very unfair? trump djt one of trump's lawyers from his civil case attacking the judge i have zero confidence in the fact that this person who should not be sitting on the bench right now, we'll do the right thing and give jury instructions that are in an appropriate manner without any persuasion towards the prosecution. all right. panels here, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, david from staff writer for the atlantic, former rnc communications director doug hi and former white house comes director, keep betting field. welcome all. thank you so much for being here. i'm ellie, can we just start with a technical thing because it's what he's complaining about, which is that the defense gets to go first or has to go first here what's up with that? >> he's just misinformed. it's a common practice for the prosecution ago defense to follow them, the prosecution to come back with a rebuttal. i think he wants a fight, but he's saying the defense is going to go first and then the prosecution. so that in new york cases, that's often how they do it either way, the prosecution would typically get

the last word, whether in the form of a rebuttal or do i simply go? the defense because it's their burden and they are ultimately responding to the arguments that the defense brings. typically, the prosecution will go, but it's another half truth by the former president about the legal system that plants chum in the water for his supporters and people get whipped up, believing that the system is stacked against him. >> yeah. i mean, david from isn't that really what we're talking about big picture here. we're going to probably this week find out if there's going to be a conviction in this case and the question we've been asking the entire time is, will it matter if he is acquitted or if there's a hung jury? does that potentially matter even more because of the lack of faith that he is trying to engender in the system. >> his lawyers look like they're doing a normal kind of defense trying to cast doubt on no key witness you can't trust this person who worked for donald trump, would you trust somebody work with donald trump obviously, if you if you work with donald trump, you're a liar and a croc. why would anyone trust someone who worked

for donald trump? that's going to be the the defense salma. but donald trump himself is on the next move, which is getting ready to be convicted, getting ready to be it's my first we've had the first african-american president. we have a first day, we've had, we had the vice president at last the criminal american community. what last have representative. >> it's a great day for diversity get ready so he's getting ready to teach his supporters that being a criminal should be no bar to being preston. >> yeah. i mean doug hi as our resident republican at the table. i mean, david so if i'm a registered republican primary but talk i mean, does this mean this is the latest institution that donald trump is tearing down? >> right? the court system for his own political gain and it does seem as though it doesn't

seem to me, i guess that this is going to fundamentally change the dynamics of the election either way, maybe you conviction does but it does seem like people, if anything, this trial and that the contents of this trial are things that push people into their respective camps for what is your view of that question? >> not everybody is in those camps and there's a subset of voters out there. they're the undecided voters. they don't like donald trump and they don't like joe biden. a conviction may matter to those voters. maybe not all of them, but 20% or 40%. pretty soon you start talking real numbers. because if you're showing polling about robert f. kennedy or cornell west fast or whomever you're talking about a pocket of voters in dearborn, michigan or a pocket of voters in tempe, arizona or winston-salem, north carolina. those voters matter if there's convection, if not, donald trump's gonna go on his grand acquittal exoneration tour. and we know what that shows going to look like. >> well, we have seen polling, i mean, voters have repeatedly been asked if he is convicted, would that influence your vote? and we've seen even a fairly

significant share of republicans throughout the republican primary process said, it conviction would matter to them. now, i tend to believe for the most part, this trial one way or the other is not going to be determinative in the election and i think you've seen the biden campaign keep a hands-off approach which i think, you know, if there is a hung jury will benefit them, right? because they have not gone all in on the idea that trump's criminality in this case is somehow central to joe biden's being reelected. and so i think they've kinda bought themselves some space here. if there is a hung jury and trump will, which we know trump will certainly parade out and say, i was wrong. and see, you know, this, i've been exonerated i think the biden campaign has been smart and kind of buying themselves some space here, but you know, it's gonna be interesting. no, there were some questions raised about what biden will do. the biden team will do in the wake of a verb what should they do? what do you think they will like? how do you think they're going to approach it at that point? yeah. >> look, i think they in this trial is part of the broader picture that they're painting

about trump like this is not how, whether he is found guilty or not in this particular case, the ins and outs of this particular case don't have an impact on people's day-to-day lives, right? but it's part of a broader picture of trump is somebody who only cares about himself, who, who himself has gone out and said that this campaign is about getting retribution for this kind of thing and for being wronged. and so i think they i don't think that they should adjust their strategy and start zeroing in on trump's criminality. i think to most people, which is also a crazy thing to say, right? like the former president's criminal trial, it doesn't feel relevant, but to move let's people the truth is politically it doesn't. and so i think they need to stay focused on their case about the economy, democracy, chaos and not allow the outcome here to change their strategy. >> but biden camp, it's a very big and very baggy coalition. and the president's problem is he has to corral two separate groups of voters. yes, to bring back some the least committed voters, some of the lease well-informed. he has big

trouble of people get the overwhelming preponderance of their news from social media who never read any news at all, who just know it's on tiktok and he has to and they respond to a very bread-and-butter message at the same time, he's dealing with the people like me who voted who voted for republicans in primaries, but who don't by donald trump, unacceptable, who are highly committed voters, who don't like most of his agenda but look at him as the firefighter in charge of putting out this particular fire before we can go back to our normal voting patterns and politically there's one, there's one group of people who really matter and are looking forward to this verdict. >> they're called fundraisers, whether you're republican there are democrat, you're gonna raise a lot of money yeah. >> well, into your point, david, i mean, the voters who are following this closely are also following it closely and don't need joe biden to be driving the message to absorb what's happening here. so fair enough. all right. ahead here, the white house assessing whether israel crossed a red line in rafah plus new fallout from justice so samuel alito's upside-down flag controversy and 1 million-dollar yacht

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>> and wish they died for. god bless the fallen may god bless their families, and may god protect our troops president biden spending his memorial day as most us presidents do honoring our fallen service members at arlington national cemetery. >> his predecessor went in a different direction yesterday, donald trump and posting this on truth, social, happy memorial day to all including the human scum that is working so hard to destroy our once-great country. >> if n goes on to trash the new york judge that presided over a pair of civil defamation cases involving the writer e. jean jean carroll and david from, i mean, look, this is not the first time that donald trump has done something like this. if you want to flash all the way back two, 22017 he visited arlington national cemetery with john kelly, who was then his chief of staff of course, kelly's son was a

fallen marine officer and reportedly trump turn of kelly and said, i don't get it. what was in it for them? >> once upon a time in this country, there were three tv channels and they competed for their third one-third plus the audience. and they all were bland in an offensive and tried not to upset anybody and then came cable and you create all these little channels that said, we can upset a lot of people if we can get justice so i think the thing to understand about joe biden is doing what the big channels used to do. he's speaking to all americans in ways that offend nobody and donald trump has, his tick has always been, i'm going after the people who don't like the rules i'm willing after those who don't like the ceremonies don't care, don't think it speaks to them. and who just are looking for this channel for aggression. and that's what he was doing. i mean, he woke up on that morning feeling full of rage and bile and he expressed it and there are rate rage filled billion people in this country to whom that speaks. we hope not enough and we hope most people are

inspired by the message of a honore and duty and sacrifice. and those broad american things that this current president, like every president, but one has all, has always spoken to presents the question, are we past the point in america, in the american experiment where america actually wants that the walter cronkite evening news, right let's take this out of the news discussion generally that sort of vitriol seems to fly with people right now. >> and it's not just in terms of their news consumption, social media is another place where people sort of anger cells and i just wonder der, your point, david, i do just wonder if why something is resonating in the anger that trump's pushing i do think though, that there's so i would normally agree with you and i certainly think that he is trying to he's channeling anger in a way that it's connecting with people and there's a lot that we need to understand about that. >> i do think though when you are on a day when you're

celebrating fallen soldiers, who most people in this country have a family tie two, or a friend and he takes it and makes it about him. he's like he's like the guy in your group friend group who turns everything to him that's a noxious and it gets old. and so i think there's an element of tapping into anger that is certainly he resonates with people, but on a de, that when even people who are as bought into the trunk, dogma as possible would say, is about honoring people who have sacrificed for this country that we all love. taking it and making it about him and his personal grievances. i just i believe i'm maybe i'm like from the eye author cronkite. i just don't believe that that's what people want and their leaders solely, but i don't believe that when you woke up yesterday morning though, when you said what is donald trump going to tweet? today, you probably could have predicted that that's exactly the message that was going to come out. it's why are we in

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palestinians at a tent camp. president biden threatened earlier this month to suspend the delivery of some offensive weapons if israel entered population centers in rafah, hair was the response from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu despite our best effort not to harm those not involved, unfortunately, a tragic error happened last night, and we are investigating the case netanyahu told the white house that the explosion from the strike ignited a fuel tank nearby and started a fire that engulfed the tent camp. >> are panels back. kate benningfield, i just want to remind our viewers what the president told are erin burnett about his red line in terms of continuing to provide weapons here, let's watch they go into rafah. >> i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah, to deal with the cities that deal with that problem we're going to continue to make sure israel is secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks

like came out of you the least recently but it's it's just wrong. we're not we're not going to supply the weapons and artillery shells use that have been used shells as well. yeah, i told her shelf so there you. have it i mean, this is obviously a continually difficult first of all, humanitarian situation period, but also political situation for the president. >> or they're going to be a lot of questions this morning about what are they going to do in response to what happened in rafah? what do you think is on the table for them? >> yeah. well, i mean, look they're clearly going to undertake a serious investigation. >> they're going to hear what, how the israelis explain what happened here. i think ultimately they have a broader goal of ensuring that israel has what it needs to defeat hamas. i think that is the president's northstar on this but i also think that it's very hard for the president to say what you heard him say, and then for there to not be action in response to something like this when there you see are seeing so many civilian deaths,

i think for the president, he has to think about when he says something, backing it up with action. and i think it's hard to make get declared a statement like he made to erin burnett, which i think was born out of a desire to see fewer civilian deaths and to see this conflict move to a place where people are not suffering and the way that they're suffering right now. but i think when you say things like that, you then have to back it up. so it is complicated. and obviously terrible things happen in war. and i'm sure they will listen and hear the israelis on what happened here. but from a public perspective, from a communications perspective, i think it's very hard for him to not take some action here david, what do you see as the imperative here for the president the president has been the best friend israel's ever had in a conflict situation and i know i come from the pros real-world in there are many who doubted, but i just i invite people just to cast your minds back. >> to where how little lyndon johnson did during the six-day

war. richard nixon did a lot more of the october war, but he never gave direct kind us involvement. there have been american warships shooting down missiles aimed at israel it has been the president has visited israel twice during this conflict. no president has ever done anything like that. ronald reagan never visited israel at all during his presidency so there's going to be some chafing and some at the pushback that is probably going to come but it needs to be remembered. this is all within the context of a president who has been at israel sayyed through this terrible war dcg. yeah, i think of the term red lines and the words mean thing. so when i worked for eric cantor in the house, are office and john boehner. his office were working with the white house because the president, president obama said, if you cross a red line with chemical weapons in syria, there'll be consequences and what happened was the white house then walked away from all of this and left us hanging and we've seen global implications on that. it's vladimir putin has learned this certainly hamas is learned this as well, but quite often when red lines are crossed, there are no consequences so what biden does

here has internet international impact, but also very real domestic impact. ccs certainly being targeted by the far left of his base. michigan's a very good example of that. he's an a no goods situation here, no win situation. >> yes. so speaking of michigan rashida to leave appeared at the people's conference for palestine on saturday. and she had this to say, we'll talk about who makes up that conference here in just a second, but she had this to say, onstage, watch it is described that the biden administration and my colleagues in congress continued to smear them for protesting to save lives no matter of faith or ethnicity. >> it is cowardly but we're not going to forget november. are we so we're not going to forget in november, she said so originally, remember this was undeclared campaign in michigan that was aimed at the primary and the thought was, well, he's not going to lose the primary and michigan, we're

going to make a statement, but that doesn't mean we're gonna go vote against the president in the fall, michigan in could be the place where you win or lose an election and now she's saying that these voters are not going to forget in november. >> there has been a lot of attempt to magnify the voices of those on the far left of the american political spectrum. the people who vote for ralph nader and vote, but for cornell west and really want to see the democratic party lose it's because they have this idea that if you get donald trump in, that'll create a revolutionary situation. and then, then eventually the red banners will fly and they will win. and it's not a really smart plan, but it's the the only one that god, meanwhile, the boats that are going to put president biden over the top or not are coming from disaffected republicans, the people who voted for nikki haley, even after she dropped out that's the mother lode of gadigal boats in this country. >> and i look, i think broadly speaking for her to attack joe biden this way probably helps him politically. i think the majority of voters means to david's point, the majority of voters he's trying to win over, frankly, the majority of

voters in this country are broadly speaking supportive of israel. want to see us standby, our ally there. and i think if, if someone who is representing the farthest left of the party, the most kind of vocal, aggressive we would take joe biden down even if that means donald trump becomes president. if she's attacking joe biden, that probably helps her with helps him rather, that probably helps him with the voters that he needs let's just play a little bit of what james carville, who is clearly in a certain season of his life, i had to say about democratic messaging in general, but it relates to the singular we keep wondering why these young people aren't coming home to the democrats, which it all blacks are not coming home to the democrat because democratic message in its fullest that's why talk about cost of living. and we're going to help deal with this and don't talk about

golfer and student loans okay. >> who wants to take that one i think what got cut off? >> there. he also yells, get off my lawn that's it like, okay, mr. >> carvel, let's hear your thoughts then. let's hear something constructive. if you want to see democrats be successful, what are your thoughts on what democrats should be saying? i think there's look at ever we don't seem to say that. he says the cost of living okay. i can help you net present value is just go and say the cost of living. i just think, look, obviously, absolutely everybody has a right to criticize. obviously james carville has tremendous political experience. i would welcome his constructive thoughts on what the democrats should be doing better. i'm not sure that shouting effectively you get off my lawn is helpful the idea of a generation of leader or thinker looking back on the folks who've come after them and being critical of how they're doing it now as

nothing new i'm frankly went when he was one of the boys on the loss very certain that the folks from from lbj's campaign or whatever else that's if you have if you had a political system, never mind the personality of today. were there were more blacks, young people, people of color in the republican coalition, and more homeowners and people with iras in the repugnant the democratic coalition wouldn't that be a more stable, i mean, the kind of great rotation we're seeing the changes in the two parties of the most educated out of the republican party and into the democratic party the once monolithic communities to find by race becoming less monolithic isn't that a good thing? in conducive to the political stability of the country if you think we're at a moment of political stability wait a moment of trend, of rotation, okay, outcomes could be positive. >> very briefly, i do want to circle back because i said i would mention it and kate kind of raise this in terms of helping biden doug, i'm interested in your take so this event that rashida tlaib smoke at the national review says

that among the speakers at the michigan event where with some rafah rafiki, an activist associated with the popular front for the liberation of palestine a marxist leninist terror group active in gaza and headquartered in the syrian capital of damascus. there is this association there. yeah. >> and one of the things we see quite often now in congress, congress is very central, happy. so when congress comes back into town, we could very easily see republicans file some motion for censorship here, and also here democrats not just maybe vote for it, but a lot of pushback on rhetoric. i expect josh gottheimer is gonna be out there pretty loudly pushing in back on this. and this creates, i think some some more tension in a democratic conference or democratic caucus in the house. but it doesn't need it. >> yeah. >> very, very emotional. all right. >> coming up next here, how donald trump and president biden are expected to react when a verdict is reached. in trump's criminal hush-money trial will let you guess. plus, did donald trump actually once say oprah would be the perfect running mates hint? yes, we'll show you next.

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media yesterday. this is the third heart surgery kimmel son has had since he was born with a congenital heart disease also this story will you part in julian assange well, i'm going to talk about that today and we're going to give it very serious consideration trump talking about julian assange, the wikileaks founder who is fighting extradition to the us, where he faces espionage charges all right. >> let's turn back now the big question in politics this week, what will happen after a verdict is reached? and the first prosecution of a former president, whether found guilty or not, there is little doubt about how the former president donald trump is likely to respond the new york times writes this trump's response is likely to be anger and retribution, regardless of the outcome. to understand why that seems all but guaranteed you don't have to look any further than his own campaign pitch i will direct a completely overhauled doj to investigate

every radical out of out-of-control prosecutor america for their illegal racist and reverse enforcement of the law. i will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president and the history of the united states of america, imu warrior i am your justice. >> and for those who have been wronged and betrayed i am your retribution counts back, david. >> i am your retribution. >> so if you've watched this program for the past hour where we've all been on the sat. you've seen donald trump turn memorial memorial day into a grievance festival for himself. you just now saw clip donald trump considering pardoning julian assange, a basically someone who fronted for the russians and who, whose leaks and releases got dozens of american supporters and collaborators in afghanistan killed. and you just saw that that he is presenting this country with the kind of star choice and the trial will be a

similar that most people think. the courts are fair. most people think it's wrong to if you've been convicted of a crime that says something bad about you most people think that you're not a victim. if you are held to account for your own actions, but there are disgruntled people. there are people who feel that america doesn't work have a beef with the country. i think it's okay to betray america's allies and afghanistan and donald trump is very consciously building a coalition of all of those people so you've the strange thing with the leader. what should be the conservative coalition is saying, i am for everyone who's mad at american fields, at not at home in america is not proud of america, doesn't trust it's the courts doesn't trust the fbi doesn't trust our allies, doesn't trust, doesn't trust our military. and then you have a democratic president candidate, head of the liberal coalition was trying to say, i'm going to be this being broad, baggy, messy coalition leader, but speak for the country on a larger scale. so that's going to be going to be after the trial is gonna be after everything that's what this section is going to be all about eliot, the specter of the

use of the justice system by a reelected donald trump. >> liz cheney was on with my colleagues on state of the union earlier this year. she talked a little bit about it. watch when you think about donald trump, for example, pledging retribution what vladimir putin did to navalny is what retribution looks like in a country where the leader is not subject to the rule of law and i think that we have to take donald trump very seriously. we have to take seriously the extent to which you've now got a putin wing of the republican party and of course, elliott in the first donald trump term, in the wake of molar, what he wanted to go farther than what the justice department ultimately did in terms of appointing a special prosecutor in durham to look into that. >> i mean, what is the actual what is the set of realistic possibilities? >> i actually think probably the most dangerous thing the former president did was fired. jeff sessions, the attorney general, the united states for not carrying out what were

ostensibly political wishes of the president. it is nothing new. i know it from my time having worked at the justice department, kate probably saw it in her time in the white house that there's always tension between the sort of pointy headed nerdy lawyers at the jackson guilty get my green, eye shade at home today, but and the more political folks at the white house, that's natural. i'm certain it happened in the bucha ministry. i know it happened in the bush administration as well. and that's okay the president then taking an additional step of saying, i'm going to now fire the chief law enforcement officer of the country because he's not carrying out my wishes. was really a moment in american history and one, we should not be surprised at all given the former president's record of the things he's been saying on the campaign trail as well. and two, it's frightening of the kind of behavior that we're this to be exercised in south or central america. we would look at it and be stunned at

almost a form of dictatorship that we're talking about here. and so it is frightening and for people that respect and believe in the rule of law as it transcends political parties, right or left? this will be a new chapter in american history. i think if, if the former president is reelected, how do republicans here in washington look at this possibility i don't think they're really focused on it and part of this is because donald trump plays the role of a matador waves as red cape. >> he says something about julian assange, honestly, who cares, not voters. he puts out some really bad statement on memorial day. who cares not voters, republican members of congress say they didn't see the tweet or the truth social or whatever. i think it goes back to a lot of what james carville said this conversation that voters are having right now says this country is moving in the wrong direction. everything we spend money on is more expensive than it was four years ago, were concerned about the direction of the country and were either addressing that are not addressing it and the candidate can do that the best that's the candidate that wins. it's not focusing on all

these other ancillary issues that voters are just not focused on. >> i so i sort of agree with that. i absolutely agree that the economy is the central driver for people that's what voters care about. it's what's impacting their lives day in and day out. no question. and i think both candidates have to kind of tackle that first and foremost, i agree with that completely i do think though that we have seen that voters do care about this argument about democracy and threats that's to democracy now, people may not be thinking about it in the way eliot's thinking about it in terms of the degradation of the rule of law and what the firing of the attorney general means, which i agree is is an incredibly significant and potentially frightening thing most voters aren't thinking about it in that way. but we have seen evidence, we saw it in the 2022 midterms that people du worry about the threat that donald trump poses to democracy. they do feel like there's something fundamentally un-american about the idea that you lose an election and you don't hand peacefully handover the transfer, you don't peacefully transfer power. i mean, i think

that people they don't think about it in constant the tunnel terms, but they do think about it in terms of that's actually a pretty fundamental piece of what makes our country unique and special. and so the idea that donald trump is going to take that away, that does have resonance with people and there is some fear there. i'm not saying it's supersedes concerns about the economy, but i do think there's absolutely is that it motivates those orders. you describe are out there. i just saw you there already committed and lord knows if you're having a conversation about julian assange, you have a lot of deeply held thoughts about this election. you've made up your mind. well, i certainly agree with that. i certainly agree with that there's a saying or a joke back in 2016 that float around twitter in those as it was called in those days lol nothing matters. but the truth is, everything matters. there's just a lot of everything and yeah, there may be a very few people in the country care about julian assange, but there are whether biden wins or not, again, will depend a lot on people who would normally vote republican, who do care about national security, who do care about the rule of law. and by the way,

for whom they look at the economy, say yeah, prices are a little high, but the economy has roaring the stock market is booming. production is up at, productivity is up. america manufacturing is back. this is a strong economy and with the prices are high, but so are the wages but there is their constituencies for everything. and what, who's going to put biden in the white house or not? it is going to be people who would normally vote republican. and this i'm wow, yeah, really interesting. and i have so many questions about his outreach to those people too, or lack thereof. >> but let's turn now to this you have a vice presidential candidate in mind. >> well i, really, haven't gotten quite there yet. >> i it's just i love oprah. oprah would always be my first choice. >> oprah. oprah, your competitor, right? i don't, know what she's she's really a great woman that she has a terrific woman. she's, she's somebody that's very special. she'd do it should be fantastic. she's popular, she's brilliant, she's a wonderful woman it's like 25

years ago, believe it or not, that was one of the de when a donald trump oprah winfrey ticket was not an entirely crazy idea? >> had the, two stayed the same political corps may, may have actually found that a trump oh, per ticket or an oprah trump ticket for that matter might appeal to many voters who find themselves drawn to both celebrities. and we bring this up because of our friend of the show, republican pollster, kristen salts us anderson writes this about people that she has spoken to recently when i interviewed a dozen women who voted for mr. trump in 2020 and ask them who else they'd like to see run for president. the first responses from one republican and one independent. were emphatic oprah. the notion of a trump oprah voter is a strong reminder of the power of celebrity to shape public opinion policy considerations, ideological positioning, and partisan cues all warp around the gravitational pull of mega stardom in america david, i mean, this is like a fundamental part of donald

trump that we can't lose sight of what you made a joke halfway through your monologue trump, oprah. really she's more famous. >> she's richer she's oprah pro-trump, oprah trump. that was the ticket. >> but it also reminds us of how donald trump guy get into this game, which is he was a generic celebrity and he was somewhat moderate views. >> i'm obnoxious. ways of expressing. he turned himself into this kind of creature, partly because by the time he got into politics 2016, back in 2000, was still a medium successful business, right? 2016. he's in debt up to his eyeballs. he's got a career of crime. he had to shut down the law and, he had to become this assault on legal system because you could either have donald trump or the rule of law, or a prank trump, president of the rule of law, but not both. but had he checked his ego at the door and said, ms winfrey, i would really like to work for

you the whole course of american history might have been different. >> yeah, maybe maybe so, but i mean, look doug, i think you're getting it this a little bit too, and kind of talk about what what these candidates needs. the people that they need to talk to, the ways in which they need to talk to them. i mean, there are a lot of casual trump voters. i can imagine out there. i mean, we talked about his maga based on this show all the time. but for people who are not as engaged in the day-to-day of this, they know him as the guy who said you're fired. and that's still true even after everything that's still is a big part of his brand and it's what propelled him in this first case. but i remember just after election day in 2012, being in richmond, virginia with then majority leader cantor. and we determined that 8% of richmond and suburban richmond voters were obama cantor voters. i still can't figure out who those 8% are. these are also the oprah. these are some of the over trump voters potential usually that will, it goes to a celebrity that supersedes partisanship, right? that's, that's pretty mean, that's part of what would be part of oprah's power. i will say if

oprah decides to join the trump ticket, i would be terrified. >> that would be a i mean, that would be that that would be you that's again, it's it actually, but it actually does sort of make sense when you think about the kind of overall fatigue that people have with politics, the kind of general disgust they sort of unwieldy that we're seeing from voters in the cycle. >> somebody like oprah who doesn't feel partisan one way or the other, but, but feels familiar and impressive and powerful it feels like that's where some of her her strength with i feel like more celebrities, not fewer products but i am loving the oprah trump idea of you have an indictment under your seat i don't your seats and diamonds for everyone with oprah as vice president. man. >> all right. on that note, i'll leave you with this because i guess it's appropriate today, animals on the loose everywhere you can. >> print it in, take it out don't want to jump, wanted

once we said georgia molar alligator them, one that we saw police confront a couple of weeks go on the show and then there's this everybody say all there's body camera footage of me florida officers scooping up a kitten stranded in the middle of a busy road. >> oh, look at that guy. it was later adopted by the dispatcher. that's very we eat and then we're not monkeying around a japanese snow monkeys spotted on the loose in walterboro, south carolina. >> how did he get there official say? >> bradley escaped his habitat last week after being caught on camera several times. he was finally recaptured. so i guess that's three happy endings to kick off. what is we could just use some, some happy animal rescues this week, right? opening arguments start today. thank you, guys very much for being with me this morning. thanks to all of you for joining us. i'm kasie hunt they'll go anywhere. sandi new central starts right now