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the mem count manhattan courthouse. far as paula walk us through what's been happening in court, the prosecution apparently almost halfway done and they're long closing argument yeah, that's right, jake, the judge, just revealed that they we could have at least three more hours to go that the story might be here until seven 8:00 tonight. but for the past two hours, prosecutors have been focused on this alleged conspiracy to interfere with the 2016 election trump is charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records. >> but this case has been charged as a felony because prosecutors allege this was all part of a conspiracy to help trump when the white house in 2016, that this is part of how they elevate this. the prosecutors hate it when people refer to this as a quote, hush money case instead, it telling the jurors that this it's was about election fraud and an effort to subvert democracy and so far, they've been pretty linear. they've gone through this chronologically over the past two hours going
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step-by-step, starting with that 2015 meeting with david pecker but how the national enquirer was going to help trump suppress negative stories, amplify ones that could help him. david pecker promised to be trump's eyes and ears. they start there and then joshua steinglass glas has gone day by day through 2015 at 2016, hitting all the relevant evidence, re-introducing it to the jury. it's quite a bit for them to take it all in joke with them at one point i hope you're getting all of this. now, as i said, they still have several more hours to go, but our colleagues inside the court, they report that the jury continues to be very attentive to this, and that's really a credit to this jury. anytime i've been inside, i observed the same thing. they are clearly taking this historic task that they have at hand very seriously and are and can span has not waned even though they have sat theorem an entire day of rehashing this case. i also want to note someone else is in the courtroom today. none of the district attorney, alvin bragg i can use only made a few brief appearances throughout this trial, but his presence today
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really underscores how significant these closings are for this critical case. of course, it's significant for the defendant, but also for the man who brought this case. >> alright. paula reid. thank you so much. let's bring in former trump white house communications director, alyssa farah griffin alyssa when i talked to you, i don't remember if it was a week ago or two weeks ago, but it was a point that you said that if you were on the jury based on the information you had, you didn't think that the prosecution has proven its case. do you feel any differently now i think the prosecution has done an incredible job so far today, kind of consolidating both the campaign finance side of things that you know, the influence on the election, but also the falsifying of documents. i could definitely see how a jury will get there and convict. but the most interesting moment to me today was when the defense alluded to sentencing, when they brought up putting him in jail, which of course they were reprimanded for that's what i think is going to stick and juries minds, they're not robots, they're people, they're
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humans, they know what happens even if the rules are that they don't brooch into sentencing. and i think it'll be interesting to see if that impacts their decision, like what a weighty decision to potentially be the jury the first jury to put a former president behind bars in general, how do you think trump feels about today? and todd blanche's closing arguments? just defense attorney less than todd blanche is probably the best attorney he's had and all of these plethora of cases we've seen. but donald trump does seem like he's pretty rattled over just not knowing what direction this might come down. we've seen him at the end of last week giving lengthy remarks outside the courtroom. he's flanked by his members of his family. the most you've seen today i think he is worried a conviction that has major political implications. and of course, the legal ones. but even an acquittal, i think he's i think we need to get ready and buckle up to here weeks and weeks of him saying it was a witch-hunt. it was the biden government that was pushing this. and whether he's exonerated or not, he's probably going to lean into grievance regardless of what
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the outcome of this is. >> yeah, he was he was a posting on truth social last night first of all, saying that why is the government allowed to make the final argument? and i guess despite all the episodes of law and order. we've collectively watched that is actually the prosecution is normally the one that ends the closing arguments. that was news to me, but that's how it works. and also going after the judge and joe biden, george soros, his name was mentioned, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. >> he tends not to do that if he's feeling if he's feeling good, i think people like you have said before. well, right. jake has memorial day statement. if you could call it that on truth, social was hardly that out of somebody, you know, kicking back, having a beer, enjoying the holiday with family, that was a man whose rattled who's angry who spent hours deep into the night going after who he sees. his adversaries i think he's concerned about this. i think
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that just the lack of control over the situation, the lack of control out over the outcome is something he's never been good with you, somebody who has just general control issues and wants to be able to have a say in how things are going to turn out. so his campaign has already thinking about how they're going to meet such either outcome here but a conviction or i will conviction is going to be something that i think is incredibly challenging, challenging with swing voters. he needs to be ready for that and i've spent the day surrounded by attorneys with 100 iq points on each one of them. >> so my perspective of this case is very affected by how these lawyers he's brilliant minds to my left and right are seeing this as somebody who is a communications expert who knows how to reach regular folk. >> how do you think this case is being received by people who let's say might be swing voters i think that we'd be surprised how much of the public is tuning in day-to-day. >> but i do think that they're paying attention to the recaps in the major stories that come
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out of each day. you know, just anecdotally, i was away this memorial day weekend if people were talking about it, they know that there's likely going to be a decision soon, hopefully this week. and i think that a conviction then because it will have that asterisk of phelan next to him does matter with swing voters, even though this isn't the case, voters care the most about that would be january 6 or so when settling about the idea of someone being president who's also a convicted felon. >> but but you and i have spoken about this also, the idea that of all the cases that have been brought against donald trump this is the one we're definitely going to get a verdict in words were probably not going to get one in the classified documents case or the georgia i don't know what's going on with the georgia case in terms of alleged election interference plus the jack smith january 6 case it seems right now on today's facts that we're not going to get a case, and none of those are going to go to trial at least before the
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election. >> well, and that's remarkable. i mean, i think the dynamics of this race would be fundamentally different if january 6, for example, were being tried this summer and we're having to relitigate donald trump trying to steal an election, trying to overturn from the democratic process. but that's not the reality we live in. this is likely the only case we're going to see before voters go to the booth and see a conclusion on, i think it has an impact. it's nowhere near if we were talking about those actions and that dark de how that would change the turnout of this election. >> are you surprised by what you've heard from your former colleagues in the white house, hope hicks testified others testified people that you knew well, there was a there was a back-and-forth, i guess hope hicks. and this other woman whose name is escaping me right now, i apologize margot or whatever that they disagreed on, how much donald trump was rattled by the access hollywood tape and with hope saying that it was a crisis. and the other woman saying that he was he was fine and nobody thought they
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thought it was bad. but just like another one of many bad days. >> yeah. that was between madeleine westerhout and hope that's it thank you. yeah. hope hicks would a known better candidly, she was the one intimately advising him on public relations and community occasions around that time of the campaign. >> and that's when there was a very skeletal staff like the core people around trump were only a handful and she was one of the most important who he listened to. so she'd have far better insight, i think into how he felt then madeleine, who was somebody who i think is a credible person, but she just wasn't as intimately involved in that process. and in that time of that campaign, she was really a little bit later in the white house. >> all right. alyssa farah griffin, always good to see you. thanks so much. >> thanks. jake prosecution is about to resume its closing argument. >> we're following every development minute by minute. we're going to bring everyone to you live plus while trump was sitting in a new york courtroom, he scored a win in one of his other criminal cases will have the new details on that ahead russia were trying to spy on us, we were spying on
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come to you 808 to one 4,000 lucky moments ago from inside the manhattan courthouse, donald trump, after taking a brief break, walking back into court while we wait for closing arguments to resume in the hush money cover-up trial, trump's legal team scored a big win in a different case. this is the classified documents case down in florida where judge aileen cannon, a trump appointee rejected special counsel, jack smith's request for a gag order against donald trump in the case, prosecutors had asked for the gag order after trump repeatedly and quite misleadingly criticized the fbi for having a policy in place around the use of deadly force during the rate at mar-a-lago. trump claims his life could have been in danger because of the policy we should note the policy is standard protocol for fbi searches. the same policy was used in the searches of president biden's homes and offices. cnn's evan perez
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joins us now evan also correct me if i'm wrong, but donald trump was purposefully not there when they did the the quote, unquote rate of mar-a-lago, right. so why is judge cannon saying she denied the request? i know prosecutors and people, the justice department are are pretty upset. they think that trump and his allies are making a false claim that he was going to be assassinated and they worry about the violence that might come as a result, right? >> exactly. jake, i mean, the problem for the prosecutors are really highlighting is the idea that because of the rhetoric from the the former president and some of it, even wilder rhetoric from some of his republican allies that there could be danger for some of the law enforcement people, some of whom were going to be witnesses in this case. if this case ever goes to trial, and that's obviously a big if, but in this case judge, aileen cannon made a very, very quick ruling which has not been the case for hershey. she tends to way things a lot longer, but in this case, the federal government, the prosecutors for jack smith the special counsel,
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had asked for this gag order on the former president on friday night, late friday night, they made this filing and just today, the judge has quickly rejected that and what she cited was not following the rules, essentially, the prosecutors didn't follow the rules of how you approach a final like this in the southern district of florida. and she called this a holy lacking in substance and professional courtesy type of filing. she said that there wasn't enough saltation done with the trump team ahead of making this filing. and so we don't know whether prosecutors will take another crack at this, but one of the interesting parts of this jake is that prosecutors were asking for the probation, the probation office for this to essentially be something that would hinge on the former president's release as part of this case. so potentially, this would have made this the probationary office would have been the one making the call on whether donald trump is
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violating the gag order. and of course, aileen cannon, judge judge cannon here summarily rejected this, saying that this is not the way it's done in this sunday to florida district of florida, we of course, the prosecutors could always come back and ask for a hearing and we'll to see whether they take that step. j. >> when is the next court hearing in this case? >> we have a number of hearings sent in the next couple of weeks in later in june. there's she is pointed out there for about eight different proceedings that i've been pending before her for weeks and weeks and months. some of them are to dismiss the charges for various techniques reasons. and so we expect that we're going to be back down in south florida in the next few weeks. >> alright. evan perez, thanks so much appreciated at any moment to prosecution is set to resume its closing argument in the trump hush money cover-up trial or legal experts have said the case is either won or lost in closing arguments. so how do they think joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, is doing? that's next in one of
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meetings say billion with a b, we've got this honore got this. i melies nonna in washington, and this is cnn we're back with our coverage of the closing arguments in donald trump's hush money trial court has just resumed after a short break, but during that short break, the defendant, former president donald trump, took the opportunity to hop onto his social media website truth, social with his take on the prosecution's presentation, and it says an all caps boring. >> that's a 5:11 p.m. and then five 11 also all caps, filibuster. let's bring in our panel the truth of the matter is i don't know that you all have you disagree with that? >> it's a long these are long closing arguments, both defense and the prosecution does it
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affect a jury's take on a case in any way a long or short, summation, i think a long summation does just what you think and just bores people. i mean, at the end of the day, everybody in a trial is just a human, right? nobody wants to hear anybody talk for that long, quite honestly, that's but they don't make movies four and five hours because it's all just too long. so i do agree that you can say too much and i think filibuster is probably right. i don't think in a situation like this where you have the president on trial, you may not see it on jurist faces, and it may be very different when it's the president you may not get bored in the same way that you would normally be bored because this is the decision of a lifetime. but again, for hours is too long. >> what do you think? i totally agree four hours is too long and look, the jury's attentive now, i'll be interested if they are equally attentive at 8:00 after they've been and subjected to five hours of all of this. >> i think the prosecutors really need to kind of just sit figure out what the key themes
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are and present their case. >> one thing i thought they did do very effectively this afternoon is really start to build the larger framing device and explain to the jury number one what the actual election fraud consisted of because i don't think that's something that was readily rice didn't of course, of the test it was also important because what it did i think was communicate to the jurors why this is important, why they should care about this, because i think a lot of jurors might be hearing this and saying, are we really sitting in judgment on a former president potentially sending them to jail for what could be a bookkeeping error. and i think the prosecutors did a good job in explaining to the jury why this was more than a bookkeeping error, why this potentially affected the outcome of the 2016 election, and why did judy should really care about this and why a conviction was important. that's something that didn't come out during the testimony. and we started to hear about that today. >> so in his closing arguments, karen, a trump's defense attorney, todd blanche brought up army daniel's multiple times. again, this is the defense attorney. this case is about documents. it's a paper case. this case is not about an
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encounter with stormy daniels 18 years ago and encounter the president trump has unequivocally and repeatedly denied occurred. and later, todd blanche said, ms daniels has denied that there was ever any sex with president trump in 2018 earlier, but the government wants you to believe those statements were coerced. now so blanche is saying it himself that the case is not about the sexual encounter alleged sexual encounter, but it is believable that the sexual encounter happened whether or not one believes it is subjective manner, but it is not out of the realm of possibility for a multiple time a millionaire to have an encounter with a woman in that industry at a golf retreat, i guess theoretically does the defense risk credibility by saying donald trump says this never happened? >> well, i think there's two things. number one, why did they spend so much time on something that doesn't matter to the trial. i don't understand why they cross-examines stormy daniel's
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for as long as they did, why they went into the salacious details and i'm talking about the defense. it doesn't matter if they actually had a sexual experience together or not. it's irrelevant. the point is, it was paid her they paid her off so that she wouldn't say that they did. right. so i'll never quite understand that tactic. and then to bring it up and spend all this time on summation this morning i don't understand that either. i'd love to hear from the people who have more experience as defense attorneys than i do. >> well, let's do you and then you yeah. >> i think the defense blew it. number one, when a set an opening that it didn't happen. number two, when they had all those cross-examination questions of stormy daniels, if i had been defense attorney, i'm ammonia morta quarterback. i don't throw interceptions after her direct testimony, i would have stood up, said, your honor, we have no question and what i would've done in closing is say, you have been brought into this courtroom for slime salaciousness. remember when i said no cross-examinatio n, the reason i said that
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members of the jury is stormy daniel's is irrelevant what happened is irrelevant. we don't know what happened, but they had a moment where they could have said that in closing, but they over-promise an opening by saying it didn't happen. >> that's interesting, tim, because right. they did say the defense did say the only reason daniels testified was to embarrass the defendant? >> yeah, i agree. and i think that i agree with this to go through a detailed cross-examination of her makes no sense yeah. >> the concept that, you know, whether it happened or not. yeah. sure. for purposes of the client's state of mind, say to the jury that he denies it, but then quickly followed up with was saying, but it doesn't matter whether it happened or not. what we're here to talk about is that she was going to tell something that was embarrassing and she was demanding money to prevent that from happening. if you go to the new york statute on extortion it actually says in the language of the statute whether true or not so it doesn't matter whether this
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encounter happened or not. if she's demanding money to keep silent about it, that's an ac sources. so there you have that little defense point that you can use without having to get into the details of whether it's true or not by bringing it up the way that they did on opening statements, he opened the door and allowed them to get into far more detail on the direct examination of sturm daniels and they ever would have if he just said it doesn't matter and potentially loses credibility. jury, if the jury believes stormy daniels and works that the encounter did occur, and i think the best thing that any lawyer could have done would be the stand up and say no cross, but it's one of the most difficult things to do. it's just hard, especially when you have a client like donald that's right. well, that's right that's right. >> this is this is not meant as a criticism, but he wants his people to fight for him. certainly he wants us here typically bring him to the woodshed because i'm saying, listen, i'm the general in this courtroom. no cross is your best option. but here's the thing. then you might hear,
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you're fired. >> that's true, but there's nobody within 50,000 miles of this courtroom. >> yeah. >> that doesn't believe that donald trump had something to do with stormy and something to do with karen mcdougal. you're arguing a fact that the jury is going to believe anyway, because it's it's not as everybody has said whether or not there was an encounter in that room is not material because there's no crime being alleged in what? in nevada in what happened there. and in fact, even paying her is not necessarily a crime. hush money is perfectly legal. >> the whole trial they talked about it, they talked about how they pay they pay for all kinds the story is true or not true, so it's clearly not a thing that seems problematic when you're paying a witness and i just think to go into the salacious details wasn't mistake. it's it's it's really what we called in law school a red herring you have somebody here, you think, oh my gosh, this crossing examination is going to really hit some points and then you go into it and it just doesn't make sense just to bring everybody up to
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speed as to what's going on right now. joshua steinglass, the prosecutor is moving on to payments and cover up. he has a powerpoint presentation, always very popular. well with a group of jurors who were there i against their will. who doesn't like a good powerpoint steinglass says after the election, cohen went around complaining that he's still hadn't been repaid for the $130,000. he fronted to daniels steinglass showed the jury more testimony from david pecker, the tabloid king, who said in december 2016, cohen complained him about a quote, i understood he was complaining the it has not been repaid ate a portion of the transcript said steinglass is now showing jurors something what is this? the bank statement from cohen that he brought into allen weisselberg, right on the bank statement, weisselberg and cohen calculated all the money that was owed to cohen. >> steinglass said i hate using powerpoint on closing. i always get in fights with co-counsel because i refused to use it the best defense is a simple one you maintain your credibility by conceding the points that
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don't matter and that way you can focus the jury on the points that do and if todd blanche had simply shortened it significantly and said, hey, this all this stuff doesn't matter. catch and kill doesn't matter. all that matters is the annotations on the checks, the drop-down menu of legal fees and by the way, mr. steinglass is probably going to bore you to tears for hours trying to prove things that were not really contesting and he's doing that to distract you from the main point, which is this legal fee drop-down menu that's the way that you win these cases. you tried to simplify it as much as possible and concede the points that don't matter. so the law firm of parlatore agnifilo, rozzi, dupre and hard you're hired thanks so much. i appreciate it. donald trump, just use social media to announce how he feels about the prosecution's closing argument. he said barring all caps, but how is trump-world feeling as the trial enters its final lap, of former trump white house official joins us next dealing
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or visit coventry direct.com hi, marla signs at the white house and this is cnn and we're back with our continuing coverage of closing arguments in donald trump's hush money trial, judge juan merchan says closing arguments could go as late as seven or 8:00 p.m. eastern this evening, as we watch for updates from the prosecution's presentation. >> and right now he is referring to these documents. these handwritten letters by annual allen weisselberg, the former cfo of the trump organization, and his right-hand man, mr. mcconney, he's referring to these as the smoking guns of the case. they are the smoking guns. he said they completely blow out of the water. the defense claim that the payments are for legal services rendered. i'm almost speechless that they're trying to make this argument. this is the handwritten notes of these two gentlemen, weisselberg and mcconney. let's bring in hogan goodly, former white house deputy press secretary during the trump administration. hogan, good to see you. moments ago during a short break, mr. trump posted on truth social
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boring, and also filibuster. it's all caps that's why i'm saying it that like that, you know him well, how do you think he feels about how closing arguments are going? >> well, fact check true on both of those boring, of course. and a filibuster look a long, long, long closing argument here, but here's the funny part. this entire thing is kind of like the nancy pelosi school of prosecution. you have to convict the guy before you find out what he's charged with were on the last day of these proceedings, halfway through the closing arguments. and we're just now finding out what donald trump is charged with anybody else? in the defense chair behind the defense desk in this country, you would want to know what you're charged with because you have to mount a defense to argue against those charges. i mean, we can talk about whether they're baseless or not, but the fact is he didn't find out until today. and on top of that, when you do find out their federal crimes, they're alleging here, which means the
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jurisdiction doesn't even work for a state court. okay. so you're talking about the fact that the business falsification accusations or misdemeanor, and the reason that they're bumped up to a felony has to do with them being in the end, the service of another crime federal election crimes. but i thought we knew that the whole time. i thought we were aware that it's this this election interference theory of the case but let me ask you another question because we only have a little time trump attorney todd blanche today closed calling jurors, michael cohen is the gloat instead of the goat, the gold is a greatest of all time glowed is the grid greatest liar of all time. what do you make of how trump's defense has handled the case regarding the main witness, michael cohen well, it pretty it's pretty obvious that the prosecution rested its entire case on the testimony of michael cohen, someone has been disbarred, someone has been convicted, has gone to jail for life buying amongst other things. >> and in fact, on the stand, we found out that michael cohen admitted to stealing $60,000
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from trump org, which of course is a worst crime, then what donald trump is alleged to have done so it is a great job. the defense has done poking holes, not just in michael cohen and his past where he is admitted to lying, but in the present where they caught him lying on the stand as well, the jury made up of obviously, a lot of folks, two of which are actual attorneys, had they have to see that as a real problem in the case and the prosecution, i think really stepped into it. they had to put cohen on the stand. they can brought this whole thing to a head with this star witness, and he just crumbled the defense in their final arguments. they're closing armpits pointed to this. their job was to say the guy's a liar. he lied to you before he's lying to you now, and that the whole case, if it's resting on this one man, is a serious problem. so what do you think are the poles? clinical ramifications of a guilty verdict and i don't i have no idea what the verdict is going to be. let me just say i'm not suggesting that there
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is going to be a guilty verdict that could be an acquittal. it could be a hung jury, it could be a guilty verdict. and i have no also no idea what the ramifications would be of any of them. but what do you think? >> well, look, i think the the election really comes down to the issues that the american people care about. they don't really care about this case right now that the verdict that could change some minds here are there no question about it, but at the end of the day, what we're talking about is can you afford gas and can you afford groceries? is crime better or is it worse under joe biden house, the southern border doing rushing drugs into our communities, human trafficking, child smuggling the world, breaking out into chaos with wars erupting. those are the things that we're going to be debating between now and the election. now, what the american people think about that, of course, and in the landscape of this whole trial is significant. now what is the media going to do after this? no offense, jake, but you talked about million cannon earlier and you called her a trump appointee, which is absolutely correct. but you didn't characterize judge juan merchan as a biden donor, for example. so i expect the media
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to come out full, guns a blazing on donald trump, regardless of how this looks, i think 35 bucks to buy a t-shirt for his daughter or something like that. but look, i mean donor, correct. thank you. okay. >> in any case, my point i don't think i don't think judge juan were sean's alleged bias has gone on, remarked upon, correct by nor should it, by the likes of you or mr. trump or any like so it's certainly already out there. i was just merely noting the judge aileen cannon correct. was appointed by trump, which is also correct. but the fact is these things are obviously won and lost in the court of public opinion. so often, when it comes closer and closer to november, what is this trial going to mean? whether it's a conviction or whether it's an acquittal, whether it's a hung jury, what does that mean? matter to the real american out there are facing tough times. that's really the debate. the democrats are going to point to donald trump as an agent of chaos and crime. republicans are going to say joe biden is the one who's a criminal,
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watch his son and other things with china and russia and ukraine, et cetera. but also he's failed you. the american people with his policies that are really been kicking you in the teeth now for the better part of 40 here's what and that's, and that's actually the point i wanted to make on the judge more merchan alleged bias du you think that the political arguments about judge merchan have been so aggressive and forceful by the trump team political team, and allies in such that a guilty verdict, would almost be a wash because it is in new york case because it is a judge who has given $35 to democrats or whatever like and has a daughter who makes money through democratic political consulting, et cetera, all that stuff. do you think it is now baked in that that's really what i'm driving at. >> i think so because so many of us have actually parented what the reality is and you hit a couple of those notations, not to mention the fact the legal experts are going to kind of parse apart all the times. he objections were made by the
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defense and the trump team and how slapped down by the judge. you can see how some of the deck has been stacked against donald trump, the jury, of course, largely from all four manhattan, 90% of which voted for joe biden. we know that too. so the cake is baked on the biases here. the american people though fundamentally, they like and want fairness if they perceive this to be unfair, it's going to blow up in the democrats face. and now you have joe biden saying he's going to comment on this trial from the white house, not to mention the fact he went out today and had like a campaign rally with with robert de niro kind of brushing trump back and trying to go after trump. he has made this political a massive misstep by the biden campaign. and the biden white house, it reeks of unfairness. the american people reject that in all forms. >> hogan, good luck. thanks so much. appreciate your being here. thanks, jake. so right now for it's all just the on the on the robert de niro reference because you might not know what he was talking about. robert de niro.
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>> and some of the officers who were attacked on january 6 at the capital appeared, and i. >> think they did so officially through the biden campaign outside the courthouse or earlier today. and we're shouted down by some trump fans. so went pretty much what the way you'd expect it would have right now, the prosecution is walking through the documents at the very heart of the trump hush money cover-up case. we're bringing you every single we will update from inside the courtroom during these consequential closing arguments we'll be right back the russians were trying to spy on us we were spying on them i'm just happy friday this is a war. >> bit secret was secrets and spies, a nuclear games. from here sunday at ten on cnn, they say we should stop eating so much meat so we made meet out of plants because we aren't quitters impossible. we're solving the meat problem with more meat.
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you that this wasn't fraud, unquote. cnn's paula reid is outside the courthouse. impala these are documents the jurors have seen before. steinglass is really trying to hammer home a point here by calling them smoking guns that's exactly right. he's been going for several hours now, our colleagues report that the jurors are still very alert watching him intently. >> i his first order of business when he got up was to try to rehabilitate the credibility of michael cohen spent about an hour on that, then spent about two hours on the alleged conspiracy to help trump wins the white house by suppressing negative stories. but now he's getting into the actual charges at the heart of this case, the allegation that trump helped tate, the falsification of 34 different business records now, everything that's coming out in this closing argument is something that jury has seen before. and steinglass over several hours is going methodically. jake, each important de, each important document reintroducing this to
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the jury, but these documents are really critical, not just these documents this ad themselves, but also tying trump back to these documents. because what todd blanche did this morning, first up when he was up for his closing argument, he tried to distance his client, the defendant, from the falsification of these business records for today insisted first and foremost, that they weren't false. then michael cohen was submitting invoices for legal work and he was the president's personal lawyer. that's how they tried to undercut the charges. the heart of this case. so here it steinglass his job to reintroduce the jury to these individual documents, and then represent the key evidence that they have that links to the defendant to these documents. this is probably going to be the most critical part of his closing argument. and likely what's going to take him through seven or 8:00 tonight. so hats off to the jury four retaining their concentration and their focus throughout this very long day. >> alright. paula reid, thanks so much. appreciate it coming up next, a lightning round with our panel of legal experts on
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very good chance of a hung jury. >> i think the defense has done a great job of raising various types of reasonable doubt. i think the prosecutors were on the right track to bring this case together to finally frame the case. and the way it should have been framed from day one as an election fraud case. but my only concern is that we still have two more hours to go i do think the jury is going to be bored by the end of the fact that the powerpoint doesn't even get rolled out until our three is a red flag steinglass, by the way, inside the courtroom to the jury saying that if jurors still have any doubt, quote, the defendant has himself repeatedly admitted that the payments were reimbursements. joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, still going still going the energizer bunny of closing using arguments. sorry, that's a david reference. karen, your thoughts about the trial today, the case today, closing arguments. i think josh steinglass is doing an excellent job at reminding the jury really what's at stake here and what's important here, talking about how michael cohen is the perfect tour guide through the evidence, showing that everything he said that was important putin is corroborated and really focusing on what he called the
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smoking gun evidence that that road map to how he's going to be paid back in weisselberg and cohen's handwriting. i think it was exhibits 35 and 36. that's really the key testimony, and i think he's doing a good job at the hammering that in if there is a conviction, i think there's a 75% chance of a conviction on a felony. the worst decision of defense made was calling castello last number one, you didn't have to call anybody and you called one witness, essentially, he was a total dud, a disaster, and he corroborated corroborated what michael cohen said that could be a fatal flaw if there is a conviction. >> all right. we're actually doing very well. so you don't we have we have a little bit of time here for you, tim, so don't take it all in other weapons another whip around, but your thoughts so you asked specifically the most important thing that happened today. i would say the court officers union agreeing to have to get over time and to stay open late so that we can get it all done
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in one day. yeah. and i think that's the most important thing. that is important and do you think that there is a chance even though you think it should be a vote for an acquittal, they have not reached the burden beyond a reasonable doubt. do you think there's still a chance though that there will be about tick for conviction. i mean, it's a jury, right? anybody can have anything had happened. i do. and let me just explain. i do think there's a chance of a hung jury here, but my defense attorney mindset is that if there's reasonable doubt in the case, the law requires you to render a verdict of not guilty. so that's where my mindset comes from. here's an out and out. i mean, it's the law. >> if you have reasonable doubt, you must be found not guilty. >> now again, there are 34 charges and by the way, that's a really good number. but i mean, 34 charges that's a lot for the jury to take in. >> so maybe yes, there's a chance of a hung jury here as well. is there a chance that they could find him guilty of 34 misdemeanors, but not so with the felony. >> well, it's tough and there's complex issues at the statute of limitations and things like that. i do tend to think this is go big or go home. i think this is convict on the felony for acquit or
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hung jury. those are the options for care. >> or it could be a mixed verdict. there could be convictions on some counts, acquittals on some, and hung on some. you just don't know what it's going to be and they're not all equal, right? he didn't sign some of the checks, for example, i can see the jury saying, okay, well, he didn't sayyed in those checks weren't that down like erik on your side of those checks, so we can't hold him responsible exactly. that could be something that they do. so i think you're going to see some juries are very thoughtful and they will take each charge one by one by one, and if they're not going to just go all at once. so i think you might see a mixed, you guys are great. >> thank you so much for sticking by me all two hours of this the prosecution's closing arguments in donald trump's hush money cover-up draw continues now into their third hour, judge, juan, were sean a republican appointee. i should note, says he wants them finished by the end of the day and has indicated the jury could stay until seven or 8:00 tonight, complete trial coverage continues right now with my friend wolf blitzer, his next door in a place i'd like to call the situation