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south guilt.com today good evening, everyone. welcome to a special edition of newsnight. i'm abby phillip alongside kaitlan collins here in new york. donald trump's fate will soon be decided that the hands of a jury of his peers and the prosecution wrapped up late tonight, just about two hours ago, following the defense earlier this morning now, both sides tried to condense five weeks of testimony into their closing arguments today, it was their last and final chance to make their case to the jury before those 12 new yorkers decide whether to let donald trump walk or making the first president with a criminal conviction. the jury is expected to begin deliberating tomorrow after hearing the judges instructions to them you can see trump earlier. >> walk can to trump tower. he did not speak as he typically does when he leaves court today. but inside that room, durer's first heard from trump's defense attorney todd

blanche, who laid out what he said were the top ten reasons to doubt this case against trump. their biggest focus was the prosecution's star witness, michael cohen, and they did not hold back repeatedly slamming the former presidents, former fixer as the mvp of liars, the gloat, which todd blanche said was the greatest liar of all time. the human embodiment of reasonable doubt. and also telling the jury that cohen lied to them and particular often prosecutors immediately began to try to reverse that when it was their turn to make their closing argument, reminding that same jury pool and i'm quoting now, this case is not about michael cohen. this case is about donald trump. they also argue that cohen is just part of this case against trump, and that there is a mountain of evidence and their view corroborating his testimony, saying it's difficult to conceive of a case with more corroboration than this one. >> and in case you're wondering where donald trump's head was during the prosecution's argument. well, of course he gave us some insights into that posting.

twice on truth social during the break writing filibuster and boring remember, the jury isn't being asked to decide whether it michael cohen is a liar. they're not being asked to decide whether or not trump has had a one-night stand with stormy daniel's or not, or even the legality of the hush money payment itself. their job is to decide whether trump falsified business records in order to help his 2016 campaign? full stop. so question is, tonight, did prosecutors proved that beyond a reasonable doubt we've got a whole bunch of lawyers here to help us sort that out. our panelists with us joining us now former counsel to president trump during his first impeachment, robert re, former assistant special watergate prosecutor, make ackerman criminal defense attorney ladies colwyn, a criminal and civil defense. a civil attorney. dante mils. so panel. this was a big de and i believe that you were in the courthouse today, right? >> i was there for you. >> but good the good, the bad,

and the indifferent. what did you take away at the end of the day? it was a very long grueling de for this jury did any of it penetrate more than others? >> let me just say from the start with the defense's summation, i thought they did an effective job with what they had i thought they stuck to what they said in their opening statement. they tried to argue and this is the big issue, whether or not those payments of $35,000 a ten payments over 2017 were really for legal fees or were they a reimbursement for the monies that went to stormy daniel's, which in turn led to the falsifications of the bank records i thought they did what they had to do. they made the argument that it was for legal fees. but the problem was that when the prosecution got up, they were able to show basically from two documents, exhibits 33 and 34, which they referred to as smoking guns. that basically took out that

$420,000 that may it up the ten times 312 times 3305000 and showed how the money that was paid to stormy daniels came out of that and i thought that was extremely powerful in terms of breaking that day. follow up on that because one of the things that i don't think has been talked about enough and maybe this it was one of the strongest moments for the defense. but these suggested that this was all michael cohen's ball that michael cohen was the guy who created the invoices, who sent them into the trump organization, the accountants did what accountants du which is just take the invoices login as they received it he was responsible well, yes, the whole point of those two exhibits because those two exhibits are in the handwriting of both mcconney, who is the controller, and weisselberg, who was the chief executive, chief financial officer and so they actually put that together. >> cohen did testify that that was done with the approval of donald trump. but it's hard to

believe weisselberg did this on his own. it's hard to believe. but is that enough for the jury? yeah. i think i think it is when you take all the other circumstances into account on this robert, you read both the transcript of both arguments that i can say both arguments i got through the entirety of the defense summation and i started into it's like reading moby dick or would it take you a while to know? all five weeks and i know it was only eight hours today, outer per week, but it seemed like it was an entire week worth of summations by the prosecution was going today, they were making get one point an argument that michael cohen spent more time under cross-examination than he did in his hours of legal work for donald trump in 2018 or in 2017 when it came to how they were trying to restore his credibility. i know that you obviously don't see the prosecution's case here, but did you think that they made any strong arguments? in their closing today in front of that jury well, look, let's start with the first premise of this, which is you asked whether it's been proven to the jury

that donald trump falsified records. >> the answer to that is no. i mean, that's not exactly what he is charged with, but he didn't falsify the records and i think he got them to be false well, okay. so so that's that's it's the argument and that's the question that you would expect the prosecutors summation to revolve around. did he cause this to happen? i think inevitably though contrary to what he says in the beginning of the transcript of his summation, this case inevitably is about michael cohen. i mean obviously it's about donald trump, who is the defendant on trial. but there are parts of this case that being one of them in terms of being able to find that donald trump cause those records to be false with intent that you have to rely on michael cohen's testimony. it's unavoidable to be able to convict and you can make a plausible argument which the prosecution did. >> in fairness to their argument that common sense will tell you plus the corroboration

that is present in this case that they are able to find and convict beyond a reasonable doubt whether they will do so, though is entirely up to them and i don't think at this point it's safe to say one way or another where that's going to come out. let me ask you guys about one of the most explosive moments. the jury didn't see the explosive part, but they heard it here. here's what todd blanche said as he got to the very end of his his his his closing arguments blanche says, you cannot you cannot send somebody to prison. you cannot convict somebody. objection the court says sustained. blanche refreezes. you cannot convict someone based upon the words of michael cohen. i say it's explosive because it's a real double-edged sword i am curious what you, whether you guys think it was intentional or maybe a slip of the tongue. but how this plays with the jury, they heard the objection. they heard the word prison. they heard the objection. they heard

the judge sustain it. it's being and then they were given instructions about it. so it's been reinforced in their minds many times at this point, how does that going to go down? so abby, as the practitioner, you never want your summations to be interrupted because the judges upset with you because it definitely diminishes your argument. >> you never want to be the focus are all about putting in your narrative on behalf of your client when the judge does say a sustained objection like that, you're exactly right. and they get a curative instruction, then the jury is signaling will understand that that practitioner did something wrong because now the judge is leaning into that objection plus a curative instruction because he shouldn't have talked about prison. that is strictly in the purview of the judge. >> i don't technically i don't buy that one juror right now, are not thinking this guy is trying to put pressure on us to keep his client out of absolutely. >> and technically, you're you're right. >> but these offensive attorneys have a clients who represent and i think the best

part of their closing argument was that line because the jury has this weight of we are deciding if a former president of the united states will become a felon. >> that's a heavyweight. yeah, he just told them, do not put some federal way to say. boy. he said don't put someone in jeffrey it's not just anyone is a former president of the united states and he understands, we can knit, pick this case. but common sense trump did this right? traumas common since it happened, what he's pleading with one personal net jury to do is say he's a former president and he shouldn't go down and you're not going to put them in and for the better way to say it is and i have said this in summation and it is intentional. >> it's not a slip is to say, you know, this case is weak and you're talking about someone's liberty that said state, this is not a civil case, this is a criminal case, and the prosecution wants to take somebody's liberty away on the evidence based upon a reliance on mike cool colon. that's absolutely appropriate. and i have will say, when you

start to get the judge upset and that's exactly what to do articulately well, most of the cases i've tried pretty much it's obvious that prison is at stake. now, i my response of plants had gotten the response to that he got from the the people on that was off, so i guess it means to suggest in the event of conviction, you're not going to be asking for a sentence of imprisonment because that was their position, judge, this is unfair topic because this is not a case. this is not a case. the calls were prison sentence i would note that when they did return after the break, it was the people, the prosecution who typed up what the instruction they wanted read to the jury to be todd blanche should not object, and he the judge then read it to the jury once they got in the room, and i wouldn't have objected either. i mean, that at that point with or without your objection. >> overall, what they hurt because that was one moment and it was important moment, but it wasn't everything but the way they handled the closing

arguments was very different today, todd blanche was kind of throwing everything to the wall, mainly focusing on undermining michael cohen and emphasis writing his credibility the prosecution went much longer. obviously, that was the main difference, but he also tried to tell a story and to put it in this chronological order. which one typically sits better with a jury? >> well, i think what happened was the story was what unraveled, what the defense put forward i mean, they had some good arguments on the surface, but once you got into the nitty-gritty details, it was that long story of what happened that really unraveled the defenses arguments and particularly one one that i think is worth talking about is the costello element in this that i think really has had a big impact on this case they have shown by putting castello on i mean, they referred to them as a double agent. and the emails are just terrible i mean, it sounds like he's trying to keep cohen from cooperating and he's trying to

basically not act as an attorney in the best interests of colin. >> you're saying basically that costello effectively became a prosecution witness? >> well, yes. and not only that, i think he basically whatever whatever the defense did in terms of making some progress, i think costello just pushed it all back. i'd better not putting the case then to put in a bank, right. >> this airable from the standpoint to their client as opposed to because every practitioner that you've heard from said the same thing, don't call castello, don't put him on the stand. it is problematic and sure enough, that's what exact i'm sure that there were two different styles, but it's necessary to prosecution has to walk through and make sure they check every single box yeah. >> their job is just to say one box is not checked. >> right? so they don't have to go and construct in order. they don't have to go through a whole story. all they have to do is pointing things out and hope that the jury latches what they did. they didn't say one box is not checked. they said

but you never want they take historic boxes are not checked and that's actually the critique that we've been hearing all day long, which is that sometimes less is more and there was a lot that the defense put on the table that perhaps they didn't have to. why did they dispute whether donald trump had an affair with stormy daniels? it's not even clear to me why they disputed the idea of whether the records were actual legal fees or not. they were trying to argue that michael cohen was acting as a bonafide lawyer for donald trump, but it seems not what they needed to do in order to poke reason. >> i don't think it's entirely about a scattershot approach. i think that's what most people have said in its defense does like, you know, you're defensively, you try anything that you think might work. some arguments are better than others. i still think it gets down to attempting to show in a narrative that donald trump's motivations were not about in this regard doing what the

prosecution is alleging that he did, which was that it was all about trying to influence voters in the 2016 election politics, once again, it's sort of creeped its way back into this trial, among many other things, when it comes to donald trump, i think that part of the defense strategy has been to human eyes. donald trump, which they attempted to do an opening as a preview and to put forward mixed motivations for why he would have acted the way he did include putting among other things to protect his family and so disputing things about like what happened with regard to stormy daniels. i think a jury exercises a fair amount of common sense about that, and you would expect the defendant to do that. there's nothing criminal about that. and so you would expect todd want to save bayesian, to be making that argument. that's just one of the arguments you've been making. that's interesting, donald trump, the client. >> so donald trump didn't take

the stand. but what was so effective, what the prosecution did is it went and used admissions that he had written in his books, the art of a deal he said in his the art of a deal that he is a monk frugal, micromanager, and bitly instead of business owners, make sure you sign every check you need to know the finances of your company. so when they're introducing all those documents and they keep showing donald trump signature after one after another, after another. that's how they're trying to create the intent part this is a man by his own words, said that he is micromanager and he needs to know everything that takes place in his business the purpose behind these a little hard to do that though when he i think is the defense effectively pointed out in summation, he's signing those checks and reviewing these thanks supposedly, while he's in the oval office, while being present in the united states in the first year of his term, he pretty busy guy during that time. that may have been true during art of the deal days, it's a little different to try to make that same argument once

he's removed himself from the trump organization enough because there's also testimony that michael cohen was invited to the white house and they had a conversation about these checks. david pecker was invited to the white house and donald trump walked alongside the colonnade and asked him about how karen mcdougal was doing. i mean, you're busy is the president of the united states with donald trump is a micro-finance. >> i don't really know the point of his golf hafiz, he signed the checks the checksum one that came is it clearly that even his assistant said that he knew what was taking place because he was signing on no, not new what we say uv light. >> so he knows what's in front of him. check, say retainer honors, what if that's not really happening? >> i think the defense made? >> it clear what they're summation style don't do this to a former president, right? and if you need a reason, well, here's the globe, right? here's a quote that you can tell people. here's why i didn't find him guilty. they gave you excuses if you need an excuse, but also really said not for this, don't take down someone a former president, donald trump for this. i think that was the defense, a truly

believed that was the defense. i do think they thought that they can convince a jury of donald trump didn't know what was happening with these payments, but they said, don't take them down for this, but i do think that prison moment to go. i don't want to go back to our list huge, but i think that was a big moment. i don't think it was accidental. i think it was intentional. it was not a slip. again, you can sort of quibble over whether there's a better way to phrase it. but it is important for the jury to know judge marsha, notwithstanding, i don't think i agree with his reaction to that. it's important for a jury to no, not that they have any sentencing role it's important for a jury to know the consequences of convicting somebody in a criminal case, three periods. >> jerry cheri does know, but it's the job of a job of a defense leonardo a hammer that home this case. >> and about this jury is that you've got to lawyers on the jury. they understand that that's off limits. it'll be interesting to see how herbert civil lawyers that's not true they knew, or maybe maybe they

don't know but uh, but it'll be interesting to see how they interpret that slip of the tongue are intentional message to them, everyone. thank you very much for all of that conversation coming up next, former trump inside or anthony scaramucci reacts to today's closing remarks and the trunk children who showed up today in court all right. plus, speaking of surprise, appearances, did the biden campaign's decision to put robert janeiro at court land or was it a flop and we have more breaking news internationally, serious new questions tonight about israel's deadly strike on a civilian karam, including why the us says it does not cross president biden's red line from here we'll tell you this in these territories they don't come try you they will take from you to you are wiped clean from this led don't want

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primer premiere sunday at nine on cnn my next guest says that there's no doubt that the former president is worried about the outcome of the trial. and you just have to look at the social media posts to see it. >> through the holiday weekend and today, donald trump attacked the judge, the gag order and the case itself on his platform, truth, social, anthony scaramucci served briefly as the white house communications director during the trump administration, and he's the author of the new book from wall street to the white house and back anthony scaramucci joins me now. so anthony, look, we've heard the closing arguments from both sides long day for the jury, what do you think it's trump closer or further away from an acquittal after today? >> well that he's closer to a conviction, but it will really be up to the 12 people on the jury. i just want to point out two quick things. number one todd's closing argument had

some inconsistencies in it if he's calling michael a liar and again, we're just talking about michael's testimony now, not previous michael the documents and all the other prior testimony corroborate what michel saying. additionally, the $420,000 in fees. that's are talking about, it's either legal fees or michael stole the money. it can't be both and so i think it's very important to point out those nuances. it's also important to point out that that wasn't his best strategy to go after michael cohen. but i guarantee you, abby, that that was donald trump's strategy. i'm certain the same way costello was brought to the stand because of donald trump the strategy of going after michael cohen in those closing arguments was also a donald trump's strategy. so he's nerve up and he's offering guidance the way a nfl football owner would offer to a coach. and most of the nfl football owners, they do that, end up blowing the game. >> it's, i mean to that point,

it was clear. it's compliance that trump wanted his attorney to address the jury in the courtroom, but also really the court of public opinion there were many times i mean, i was there for those closing statements by the defense where you saw blanche really just speeding things that he probably shouldn't have. most notably, that trump had this affair, that there was sex involved let's stormy daniel's i mean, what does that do to an attorney's credibility to have him deny something that frankly most of the available evidence out there suggests is actually true well, again, again, so that was a third point that you're bringing up that you don't give $130,000. i think senator romney said it better than i could ever say you're not paying $130,000, somebody that you didn't have sex with. but remember mr. trump has two things going on at the same time. he wants to get exonerated from the case, and he wants the lies that he's told his family and the lies that he's told his campaign

and his followers stick as well. and so he's trying to thread that into the case. >> so for those reasons and other reasons i think it's beyond a reasonable doubt in terms of the guilt, but again, we know so many people that i've gotten off on cases like this and it will have to see what the jury says, but but that was three or four direct inconsistencies, abby and all of those were driven by donald trump today in the courtroom where eric trump, donald trump junior, and tiffany trump. but it's really about who we haven't been seeing there. we haven't seen ivanka. we have not seen melania trump. what did we make? that well, in fairness to ivanka, i think she is more or less stated from the beginning that she has had her stay in washington, doesn't want to be involved with the campaign. >> i think as it relates to the former first lady, i think this is prime aphasia of very tough

place for her to be given the facts of this case and so it's understandable to be why she isn't there. and you're just proving my point further. the reasons why mr. trump wanted his attorney to save the things that he said in the court to make sure it got into the transcript so you have a new book from wall street to the white house and back and you talk about the lessons that you learned throughout your career, including in your very brief stay at the white house, what was the biggest lesson, the biggest takeaway of working for donald trump in the white house. >> but i should note for people who are not familiar with you you went into the white house briefly, but you were by trump's side for a long time before that, what did you learn from that experience well, listen, i worked on that campaign. >> i did 70 or so campaign stops with the candidate. now the former president, i also did a hundreds of hours of media advocacy on behalf of the campaign but the thing i

learned in the central thing that i learned is that if you go with your ego and your pride in your decision-making, you can have devastating consequences to yourself. and there's a very close personal friend of mine. i won't name him, but he was interviewed for a series of jobs and he wanted the job desperately and he wanted to serve the country. but after meeting with trump for five or six hours, he came to the conclusion that it wasn't the right fit for him in terms of their two personalities. and that was great self-awareness, great maturity on that person's part and while this doesn't reflect well on me, i do put it in the book. i made that decision based on pride. i made that decision based on ego. and listening. it cost me but i think the other lesson in the book is that you have to live your life without regrets. i don't wake up in the morning with a millstone of regret. my neck thinking about what happened back then. i'm more interested in learning from it,

sharing what i learned with other people but i'm also morrison getting on record what i saw and what the president, the former president is capable of because i think it's a danger to the country. i think he represents a systemic threat to the country and whether or not i can influence the election. not it really doesn't matter, abby, it's more important for me for the reflection on my family that i get on record what i saw what the danger is. >> and so people can make that choice come november, whatever they want to make it but it's very important for me. >> and again, there's 40 of us that feel the same way, including the vice president of the united states was on the ballot with him two times. >> so i mean, those are lessons you took the words out of my you join a very long list of former trump officials, people who have worked for him. we don't want to see him back in the white house and that's incredibly notable. anthony scaramucci, always great to have you on the show. thank you. >> it could be on up next the biden campaign, taking a page

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coates live tonight at 11 eastern on cnn our of donald trump's trial, president biden's campaign shifts it strategy and turns to a goodfellow for help. oscar-winning actor robert de niro appearing at a news conference outside of that manhattan courthouse, were closing arguments were underway in the hush money trial of donald trump. that janeiro minced no words. so having trump as a clown and issuing this chilling warning, crazier if trump returns to the white

house, you can kiss these freedoms. >> goodbye that we all take for granted. and elections forget about it that's all, that's done. >> if he gets in, i can tell you right now, he will never leave he will, never leave from where i want to bring in cnn political commentator asieh cup. but also with as former democratic congressman of new jersey, tom mel now ski. okay. so i'm trying to wrap my head around this one. i'll start with you congressman, what do you think was the strategy here? was it wise? did they have to bring janeiro to get the attention they wanted? >> look, i think robert de niro is probably atoning for all the mafia guys that he played in the movies by actually standing up for the rule of law today. and i was happy to see that but, luck i imagined their shoe or on the other foot, it's 2020. and trump is president biden is on trial. like, can you imagine how many tweets per

second we would be getting from the president of the united states, president biden has been completely silent on this, which is the appropriate response. i don't think anyone's going to care or remember what robert de niro said in two weeks. we're going to care about some other things that happened, that rally, which i think are much more important the way in which those police officers were attacked. i think that's what we should be talking and i can just play a little bit of that day. there was a big back in forth between the maga crowd. i mean, things got pretty heated. let's play a little moment of that what are you telling me excuse me they lied on the role. >> what did you say their their trailers you got i don't know. >> i don't even know how to deal with you. my friend. >> i don't even know how to deal with you they stood there, they didn't have to and there were other ones in there who

probably are in with them a little bit too, and they found a way to get around, not these guys they stood there and four for us for you no. >> no, they fought fubara. you're able to stand right here now standing behind him, michael for noun, harry dunn to capitol police officers heroes, really, on january sex. >> and this is how they were received by the trump crowd. >> well, this was a bad idea. this entire thing was not a great idea. i get wanting to take advantage of cameras at the spectacle. but this had the impromptu feeling that most trump rallies have like all over the place. we don't know where it's going. we don't know who's showing up, showing up. >> it could be kid rock or a cabinet member. >> you never know and that's what happened here. you had an actor who is obviously very angry at trump, but i don't know why his opinion would matter more than someone else then you have these two heroes

who almost gave their lives on january 6 that the insurrection, it was a mismatch and a mixed message. and now this actor is in a position to have to defend and these, these police officers, i just didn't get it and surrogates are best when they have an important story to tell and like i said, robert de niro is angry at donald trump. he's not a victim of donald trump's. he's gonna be fine. there are lots of victims of donald trump's. and if i were team biden, i bring those people out to tell those stories. praised harry dunn and michael fan-owned and add the fallen family of brian sick nick, to that group. those are victims of trump e. jean carroll is a victim of donald trump shaye moss is a victim of donald trump in election worker in georgia, who was accused of election fraud. her life was ruined because of the lies donald trump told from some voters who have had to hand over their own money to help stop the steal. and it's gone too offset his legal fees. there are millions of victims

of donald trump, robertson, euro isn't one. i would tell their stories. a lot of democrats, i know have been wanting to see the biden campaign play a fire with fire evit every day, practically of this trial, trump's surrogates have been outside saying really outlandish things in some cases about this trial there they're just there to take up some oxygen to do with the candidate cannot do. but i mean to scus point is that, that might feel good from a cathartic perspective, but is that really the right political strategy, whether there's, there's an argument that needs to be made. and let's get back to these police officers. and the way in which they were treated, that the whole argument that trump is making and that he has brought most of the republican party along and making is that we need to discredit and denounce law enforcement in america and calling fbi agents dirty, filthy kopan, promising to pardon the convicted felons who almost killed those police

officers that they almost killed me and my colleagues campaigning on rally stages with rappers who have been prosecuted for murder that this is a guy who is embracing criminality and that's something that i do think the biden campaign does need to get out. i think they will. i think it's something that makes a lot of republicans, moderate republicans, in my congressional district across the country very, very deeply uncomfortable. they do not recognize a party that the prefers putin to the fbi. >> very quick last word, desi yeah. >> look, like i said, they're important stories to tell. biden. i don't think has been great at connecting the dots to real issues, real pain, and why trump is such a threat? robert de niro is not, i don't think is the mechanism to do that. i'd get some real folks all right. >> let's see calf. tom mellon ascii. thank you both very much. an international fury is an enveloping overnight over israel's airstrike on a camp

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meeting with the survivors of the october 7 hamas attack but then she took out a marker and wrote finished them america levs israel on the surface of an israeli bomb. now that message comes after israel's deadly strike on a tent camp. and what the prime minister calls a tragic error now, since missiles are carrying messages, here are a few serious questions tonight to accompany each and every one of those bombs first, how many tragic errors can occur without end? for months, hundreds of thousands of palestinians have been on the move, forced from their homes by war. if death didn't strike them first, on sunday night, one of those areas, a tent camp, nir rafah desperation is high. their food and water are scarce here's how cnn's jeremy diamond describes it makeshift shelters, housing the displaced palestinians engulfed in flames screams of

women pierce the smoke-filled air, has bodies there are pulled from the blaze now, at the time of the bombings, some families were said to have been asleep. others were just getting ready for bad their blood curling screams tell the story of the unfolding horror more than words ever could. >> but it is only as bodies are pulled out of the inferno that the scale of this attack act becomes clear when the strikes hit some died on impact, some reportedly burned alive others right now are in unimaginable pain. >> they're alive. but barely and that includes children i have to warn you that the images that you're about to see are horrific but they illustrate the brutal reality on the ground or those who

never made it to the hospital, their families are left behind and then there are the mourners who look at debbie the occupation army is a liar. >> there is no security in gaza says this man, whose brother was killed in the strike here he is with his wife. they were martyred. they are gone for one men of brother, for another, his sister she was the only he won. he says she was the only one and she is gone at least 45 people reportedly died in that strike and since october, while

the numbers vary depending on the sources, some 35,000 have been killed in this war which leads to the next question for these bombs how many lost innocence are acceptable israel says to hamas terrorists were killed in the strike but at what cost children, as you just saw, are bearing the brunt of this war, either by mistake or by being human shields and that leads to america's response. how many times will the us repeat the same defense after these incidents this was the biden administration today there should be no innocent life lost here as a result of this conflict, digital must take every precaution possible to do more to protect innocent life this has been the administration since october it's absolutely devastating to see the loss of life far too many civilians have been killed

as a result of combat operations. >> we will continue to consult with our israeli partners and urge them to take all necessary measures to protect civilians we have regret any loss of life and any loss of life is tragic we've engaged with our israeli partners, have continued to encourage them to do everything possible to mitigate civilian harm. >> no one wants to see innocent civilians killed in this conflict, whether they be palestinian or israeli. >> again we think it is tragic when any innocent civilian is killed, whether that's palestinian israeli, we will continue to communicate with our israeli partners the importance of taking civilian safety into account in their operations but here's another question tonight. what exactly is president biden's red line? >> so how does this not violate the red line prison laid out,

as i said, we don't want to see a major ground operation. we haven't seen that at this point. >> what is that line? ever changing? is the line movable is the line more yellow than red is a blurry if the bombs continue to drop, just as long as us boots don't have to hit the ground. is the line more dependent on whether there is a bigger story in the headlines? now that tense exchange in the briefing room continued how many more charred corpses? does he have to see before the president considers a change of pop? we don't want to see a single more innocent life taken and i kinda take a little offense at the question. >> no hello, civilian casualties is the right number of civilian casualties. and this is not something that we've turned a blind eye to, nor has it been something we've ignored or neglected to raise with our israeli we counterparts, including ed, this weekend as a result of

this particular strike. now, they're investigating it. so let's let them investigate it and see what they come up with. >> which sparks the next dilemma israel is investigating itself in these instances, the government says the extent of the camp's destruction is not from their bombs, but possibly due to a stockpile of palestinian weapons but it's worth noting that this strike comes two days after the un's top court demanded that israel immediately stop its operation in rafah. it comes less than a week after the international criminal court said it's seeking arrest warrants for israel's netanyahu and hamas leaders and of course it comes after two months after biden's red line. but what's notable above all is that today, just 48 hours after israel strike on that camp the palestinian say the israelis have struck again 29 people killed in two separate attacks at displacement camps in rafah. these new strikes killing civilians as well as israel's

self invest is as israel self investigates its previous strike, that has also killed civilians now another question for these bonds, that red line it's even fog year since netanyahu has warned over and over again that israel will in fact the phi, the us and hit rafah it's live. >> we will enter rafah because we have no other choice i know who asleep we will complete the elimination of the hamas battalions including in rafah a, rafah the last stronghold of hamas terrorists battalions will defeat them. >> yes, we do have a disagreement on gaza and rather unreal buffer but we have to do what we have to do. and you know, sometimes you have to just have to do what is required to ensure you're survival and your future. that's about her to fame the. hamas proposal yesterday was intended to torpedo the entry of our forces into rafah. it did not happen. we will defeat

hamas, including in rafah. i made it supremely clear to the us president in our conversation that we are determined to complete the elimination of these hamas battalions and rafah. there's no way to do it, except by going in on the ground and speaking of the ground, the next question for these bombs is where do the civilians go placement is repugnant when people move from one place to another, they want to live they need money. >> we've lost their savings they hold us to move from the north to the south. we did we stayed intense in abysmal conditions. no words can convey what we went through. >> it welcome where else can we go? where will the next displacement be and finally tonight, looking forward, how many of these attacks will further isolate israel? no objective parties arguing that israel can't or shouldn't defend itself from terrorists,

nor save the hostages who are still in those evil hands but we just saw the graphic photo of idf soldiers who were captured by hamas that were released by their families to put pressure on netanyahu are any of them closer to being brought home today so every question tonight is challenging and both israel and palestinian innocent lives hang in the balance based on the answers and that includes a legitimate question of whether israel's tragic errors and how long american support through those mistakes will last it's a new question now for president biden, who has yet to publicly comment on any of this especially since a cnn analysis shows that the munitions used in this camp strike were american made we'll be back in a moment the sirens are going

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